2025 Detroit Lions: 2-1 Lions beat Ravens (39 Viewers)

[Ilov80s]

It’s clear they have a special list of “their guys”. They aren’t working off of the same board as PFF and Daniel Jeremiah.

OR the rest of the NFL for that matter.

No way to know that. Dane Brugler reported that the Jets were poised to take Gibbs at 15 as an offensive weapon. Who knows about Campbell. He was linked to the Bills round 1. Maybe other teams liked him too?

 

[Moonlight]

BTS - war room explodes/Lions call Jahymr Gibbs

BTS - Lions calls Jack Campbel

I liked that Holmes briefly said last night that they don't see Captain Jack as just an off ball LB

Those sound bites of Holmes explain a lot of his thought process. He did the same with Gibbs, mentioning his abilities as a receiver as added value. He said in both cases they couldn't be boxed in as the narrow definition of their drafted position.

Listening to Holmes he did mention that the players they liked at 6 were picked beforehand. Which resulted in the trade down which was prearranged if the board did not fall their way.

 

[ghostguy123]

It’s clear they have a special list of “their guys”. They aren’t working off of the same board as PFF and Daniel Jeremiah.

OR the rest of the NFL for that matter.

No way to know that. Dane Brugler reported that the Jets were poised to take Gibbs at 15 as an offensive weapon. Who knows about Campbell. He was linked to the Bills round 1. Maybe other teams liked him too?

So every reporter has been wrong about almost everything, but you're going to believe this little nugget that would have been completely nonsensical for the Jets? C'mon now.

That said, from an outsiders perspective, I'd be angry at that first round if I was a Lions fan

 

[BobbyLayne]

It’s clear they have a special list of “their guys”. They aren’t working off of the same board as PFF and Daniel Jeremiah.

OR the rest of the NFL for that matter.

No way to know that. Dane Brugler reported that the Jets were poised to take Gibbs at 15 as an offensive weapon. Who knows about Campbell. He was linked to the Bills round 1. Maybe other teams liked him too?

Babe wake up we just took an elite kick returner

 

[Mene]

It's not about whether Gibbs or Campbell end up being good, or even great. It's simply that by using 1st round picks to acquire those positions, you are now stuck either getting lucky in later rounds filling/supplementing premium positions, spending FA money to do so, or making trades.
I'm sure Gibbs is going to be productive, fun to watch, and will help the team. There is a very low probability it will have been worth the cost. The same is likely true for Campbell.
Even if another team was going to pick Gibbs before 18, or Campbell before 34, you just have to accept it, stay disciplined, and maximize your resources. We should have addressed CB and DL with those picks, as they are premium positions, and worried about the luxury/lower value positions later in the draft.

Of course, I say this recognizing that nobody is knocking on my door offering me millions of dollars to construct an NFL roster.

 

[Ilov80s]

So every reporter has been wrong about almost everything, but you're going to believe this little nugget that would have been completely nonsensical for the Jets? C'mon now.

That said, from an outsiders perspective, I'd be angry at that first round if I was a Lions fan

Yeah, it's not the draft I wanted. Frustrated but at least I like the players they got. They avoided some of the guys I didn't like.

Also, the draft reporters have very little idea what is going on. Look how off the mocks and rumors are year after year.

 

[BobbyLayne]

It's not about whether Gibbs or Campbell end up being good, or even great. It's simply that by using 1st round picks to acquire those positions, you are now stuck either getting lucky in later rounds filling/supplementing premium positions, spending FA money to do so, or making trades.
I'm sure Gibbs is going to be productive, fun to watch, and will help the team. There is a very low probability it will have been worth the cost. The same is likely true for Campbell.
Even if another team was going to pick Gibbs before 18, or Campbell before 34, you just have to accept it, stay disciplined, and maximize your resources. We should have addressed CB and DL with those picks, as they are premium positions, and worried about the luxury/lower value positions later in the draft.

Of course, I say this recognizing that nobody is knocking on my door offering me millions of dollars to construct an NFL roster.

Preaching to the choir.

Speaking of which, my pastor is from Alabama and over text today he’s genuinely perplexed by my disappointment over turning the 6th pick into an elite kick returner.

 

[tangfoot]

It is interesting that 2 RBs went well before the first WR.

I yelled at the TV after both of the RB picks. Atlanta is certainly dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 in 2023, but I had ASSumed that the Loins were beyond such idiocy.

 

[Moonlight]

It’s clear they have a special list of “their guys”. They aren’t working off of the same board as PFF and Daniel Jeremiah.

OR the rest of the NFL for that matter.

No way to know that. Dane Brugler reported that the Jets were poised to take Gibbs at 15 as an offensive weapon. Who knows about Campbell. He was linked to the Bills round 1. Maybe other teams liked him too?

So every reporter has been wrong about almost everything, but you're going to believe this little nugget that would have been completely nonsensical for the Jets? C'mon now.

That said, from an outsiders perspective, I'd be angry at that first round if I was a Lions fan

Holmes and Campbell have demonstrated enough competence and built substantial goodwill that we aren’t jumping ship. They have established a positive and aggressive culture from rubble. They were catching flak after the 1-6 start last year and that tuned out OK.

They drafted players who will start for them and demonstrate the character and intelligence that is now part of the Lions culture.

That said we weren’t expecting these guys to be going as early as they did.

 

[tangfoot]

Top 100 picks still on the board:
(CONTINUED 65-100)

65. WR A.T. PERRY, WAKE FOREST
Perry is a long-limbed deep threat who gives quarterbacks a large margin for error. He went for double-digit scores and more than 1,000 yards in each of the past two seasons.
66. CB GARRETT WILLIAMS, SYRACUSE
Williams has some of the best feet of any cornerback in the draft class and earned above-average coverage grades in all three of his seasons as a starter. Unfortunately, his 2022 campaign was cut short after he tore his ACL against Notre Dame.
67. RB DEWAYNE MCBRIDE, UAB
McBride was the most dominant running back in college football over the past three seasons. In that span, he ran for 3,507 yards on 484 carries (7.2 yards per carry) and broke 175 tackles on 484 attempts. Unfortunately, he also fumbled nine times over that span.
68. DI KARL BROOKS, BOWLING GREEN
Brooks was one of the most productive defensive linemen in college football last season. And the 296-pounder did it all at edge defender. He earned a 93.0 overall grade with 69 pressures on the season.
69. EDGE BYRON YOUNG, TENNESSEE
Young is a wound-up dude off the edge. He's just figuring out how to rush the passer but has the traits to develop with the 4.40-second 40-yard dash he ran at the NFL Combine.
70. RB ROSCHON JOHNSON, TEXAS
Johnson was stuck behind the best running back in the country, but when was called upon he was nearly as difficult to bring down as Bijan. He broke 46 tackles on 94 carries in 2022.
71. LB DORIAN WILLIAMS, TULANE
Williams is one of the best coverage linebackers in the class, boasting a 6-foot-8 wingspan and 4.49 speed. He earned an 87.0 coverage grade this past fall.
72. S JAMMIE ROBINSON, FLORIDA STATE
Robinson is arguably the most complete safety in the draft class. He's a solid all-around athlete who's also a tremendous tackler. He's an easy projection to the NFL with how many hats he's worn in his career. Across four seasons as a starter, Robinson played 633 snaps in the box, 759 deep and 1,348 from the slot.
73. EDGE K.J. HENRY, CLEMSON
Henry was a former five-star recruit who finally turned it on this past fall. He racked up 53 pressures and earned an 84.0 pass-rushing grade for the Tigers.
74. CB JAYLON JONES, TEXAS A&M
Jones went unchallenged for almost his entire Texas A&M career. He was targeted only 19 times this past fall, allowing 10 catches for 94 yards on 278 coverage snaps.
75. RB CHASE BROWN, ILLINOIS
Brown is an explosive and compact running back. He may struggle to see the field if his fumble issues persist, though. He coughed up five balls this season to tie for the national lead.
76. T TYLER STEEN, ALABAMA
Steen has four years of starting experience but figures to be a guard convert at the next level. He's one of the more powerful linemen in this class and has the traits to be a plus pass-protecting guard.
77. T BLAKE FREELAND, BYU
Freeland is a high-end athlete at the position who has a unique skill set to develop. That showed in the run game, where he earned an 87.9 grade in 2022. He, unfortunately, has serious play-strength concerns that showed up in a big way at the Senior Bowl.
78. RB DEUCE VAUGHN, KANSAS STATE
Vaughn is tiny by running back standards at 5-foot-5 and 179 pounds. He doesn't run like it, though. Vaughn peaked with a 93.4 rushing grade in 2021 and went for 2,970 rushing yards across the past two seasons.
79. DI ZACCH PICKENS, SOUTH CAROLINA
Pickens is far more talented than his 67.3 overall grade in 2022 suggests. He's just inconsistent at the moment. The high-end flashes are exceptional, and he tested out as one of the behest athletes at the position.
80. CB CAMERON MITCHELL, NORTHWESTERN
Mitchell recorded career-highs in pass breakups (7) and defensive stops (15) a season ago, and he finished the campaign with a respectable 69.3 PFF grade. His size — 5-foot-11, 191 pounds — might limit him to the slot at the next level, but he played just 59 snaps there during his college career.
81. CB RILEY MOSS, IOWA
Moss is a nimble and reliable cornerback. He played 2,606 career snaps at Iowa and earned coverage grades over 75.0 in each of the past four seasons.
82. LB IVAN PACE JR., CINCINNATI
Pace is one of the smallest-framed linebackers you'll see, with only a 6-foot wingspan. He is a gamer, though, and has a nose for the football.
83. RB KENDRE MILLER, TCU
Miller came in as a two-star recruit in the same class as five-star Zach Evans. And all Miller did in his three seasons with the Horned Frogs is match the five-star every step of the way. He averaged 6.7 yards per carry for his career with 1,399 yards on 224 carries and 17 scores this past fall.
84. T WANYA MORRIS, OKLAHOMA
Morris has the movement skills and length of an NFL tackle, and he has shown intriguing development over his career. He saw his pass-blocking grade go from 20.9 in his first year as a starter with Tennessee in 2019 to 73.9 this past fall.
85. EDGE ZACH HARRISON, OHIO STATE
Harrison is a long, explosive defensive end who is still trying to figure out how to tap into his immense physical gifts. While he earned an 85.2 pass-rushing grade this past season, it's worrisome that his grades have plateaued since his 2020 season.
86. DI GERVON DEXTER SR., FLORIDA
Dexter has a unique physical skill set with uncanny explosiveness for a 310-pounder (1.70-second 10-split). He's wholly unrefined, though, and earned only a 65.7 overall grade in 2022.
87. EDGE YAYA DIABY, LOUISVILLE
The 6-foot-3, 263-pound edge rusher enjoyed a career year in 2022, racking up 10 sacks, seven hits and 19 hurries across 279 pass-rush snaps. He played 400-plus snaps in each of the past two seasons and graded above 74.0 both years.
88. DI BYRON YOUNG, ALABAMA
Young is one of the class' better interior run defenders. He earned an 88.8 run-defense grade in 2021 and a 75.6 mark in 2022. He has long 34-inch arms that he uses well.
89. TE BRENTON STRANGE, PENN STATE
I'd look elsewhere in a deep class if you want a run-blocker, but if the tight end is a receiver first in your offense, Strange is your man.
90. EDGE ANDRE CARTER II, ARMY
Carter is a unique 6-foot-7, 260-pound edge rusher with the kind of length that can give tackles problems. He earned a 93.4 pass-rushing grade with 59 pressures in 2021 before every school he faced came with a game plan to limit him this past fall. It's scary to think where his frame can go with year-round time in a weight room.
91. WR JAYDEN REED, MICHIGAN STATE
Reed didn't have much help within Michigan State's passing attack, but he did all he could. He's a nuanced route runner who knows how to separate and has been doing it ever since he went for 797 yards as a freshman for Western Michigan in 2018.
92. G SIDY SOW, EASTERN MICHIGAN
Sow measures in at 6-foot-5 and 323 pounds and played 3,633 snaps over his five seasons at Eastern Michigan. He graded better as a run-blocker over his career but was hardly a slouch in the passing game, as he gave up just nine sacks across 2,053 career pass-blocking snaps.
93. CB ELI RICKS, ALABAMA
Ricks missed a large portion of 2022 after transferring from LSU to Alabama, but when he locked receivers down when he was on the field. He yielded all of six catches on 19 targets for 77 yards with five pass breakups on the year.
94. S MARTE MAPU, SACRAMENTO STATE
Mapu played safety at Sacramento State, but his physical play style and easy movement skill set at 6-foot-3 and 216 pounds have some teams evaluating him as a linebacker. He earned an 85.8 run-defense grade in 2022.
95. CB ELI RICKS, ALABAMA
Ricks missed a large portion of 2022 after transferring from LSU to Alabama, but when he locked receivers down when he was on the field. He yielded all of six catches on 19 targets for 77 yards with five pass breakups on the year.
96. S MARTE MAPU, SACRAMENTO STATE
Mapu played safety at Sacramento State, but his physical play style and easy movement skill set at 6-foot-3 and 216 pounds have some teams evaluating him as a linebacker. He earned an 85.8 run-defense grade in 2022.
97. G ANDREW VORHEES, USC
Vorhees was one of the highest-graded offensive linemen in the country over the past two seasons. He started at USC for six seasons but, unfortunately, tore his ACL at the combine and is likely to miss his entire rookie season.
98. G BRAEDEN DANIELS, UTAH
With the improvements we've seen in his hand usage over the years if that continues in the NFL, he has high-end potential.
99. G ANTHONY BRADFORD, VIRGINIA
Bradford is a uniquely powerful guard who's a gap/man scheme fit in the run game. The more he can be protected in pass protection, the better at the moment.
100. CB KEI'TREL CLARK, LOUISVILLE
Clark was one of the Shrine Bowl's biggest standouts during the week of practice. He may be undersized, but he plays with a big chip on his shoulder. He's one of the most experienced cornerbacks in the class, having played 2,450 career snaps.

98. G BRAEDEN DANIELS, UTAH
With the improvements we've seen in his hand usage over the years if that continues in the NFL, he has high-end potential.
99. G ANTHONY BRADFORD, VIRGINIA
Bradford is a uniquely powerful guard who's a gap/man scheme fit in the run game. The more he can be protected in pass protection, the better at the moment.
100. CB KEI'TREL CLARK, LOUISVILLE
Clark was one of the Shrine Bowl's biggest standouts during the week of practice. He may be undersized, but he plays with a big chip on his shoulder. He's one of the most experienced cornerbacks in the class, having played 2,450 career snaps.

Thanks for telling the rest of the league who our 2nd round picks are going to be. Jerk.

 

[Ilov80s]

It's not about whether Gibbs or Campbell end up being good, or even great. It's simply that by using 1st round picks to acquire those positions, you are now stuck either getting lucky in later rounds filling/supplementing premium positions, spending FA money to do so, or making trades.
I'm sure Gibbs is going to be productive, fun to watch, and will help the team. There is a very low probability it will have been worth the cost. The same is likely true for Campbell.
Even if another team was going to pick Gibbs before 18, or Campbell before 34, you just have to accept it, stay disciplined, and maximize your resources. We should have addressed CB and DL with those picks, as they are premium positions, and worried about the luxury/lower value positions later in the draft.

Of course, I say this recognizing that nobody is knocking on my door offering me millions of dollars to construct an NFL roster.

Preaching to the choir.

Speaking of which, my pastor is from Alabama and over text today he’s genuinely perplexed by my disappointment over turning the 6th pick into an elite kick returner.

Kick returner? Stop it. He's the best receiving back since CMC.

 

[BobbyLayne]

- Baylor DT Siaki Ika (ADP low 60s) has been flunked medically by some teams

Makes getting Keeanu Benton R2 an even more critical selection

IMO

 

[Moonlight]

It is interesting that 2 RBs went well before the first WR.

I yelled at the TV after both of the RB picks. Atlanta is certainly dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 in 2023, but I had ASSumed that the Loins were beyond such idiocy.

There’s this group think about RBs that’s becomes difficult to accept if you have a game breaker. The main concern is their longevity.

 

[BobbyLayne]

It's not about whether Gibbs or Campbell end up being good, or even great. It's simply that by using 1st round picks to acquire those positions, you are now stuck either getting lucky in later rounds filling/supplementing premium positions, spending FA money to do so, or making trades.
I'm sure Gibbs is going to be productive, fun to watch, and will help the team. There is a very low probability it will have been worth the cost. The same is likely true for Campbell.
Even if another team was going to pick Gibbs before 18, or Campbell before 34, you just have to accept it, stay disciplined, and maximize your resources. We should have addressed CB and DL with those picks, as they are premium positions, and worried about the luxury/lower value positions later in the draft.

Of course, I say this recognizing that nobody is knocking on my door offering me millions of dollars to construct an NFL roster.

Preaching to the choir.

Speaking of which, my pastor is from Alabama and over text today he’s genuinely perplexed by my disappointment over turning the 6th pick into an elite kick returner.

Kick returner? Stop it. He's the best receiving back since CMC.

Well yeah but have you seen his kickoff returns?

 

[BobbyLayne]

It is interesting that 2 RBs went well before the first WR.

I yelled at the TV after both of the RB picks. Atlanta is certainly dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 in 2023, but I had ASSumed that the Loins were beyond such idiocy.

There’s this group think about RBs that’s becomes difficult to accept if you have a game breaker. The main concern is their longevity.

I think it’s more data driven than group think but we can agree to disagree.

He’ll be fun to watch, electric playmaker. Really good player. Tiny bones but that’s fine.

 

[tangfoot]

It is interesting that 2 RBs went well before the first WR.

I yelled at the TV after both of the RB picks. Atlanta is certainly dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 in 2023, but I had ASSumed that the Loins were beyond such idiocy.

There’s this group think about RBs that’s becomes difficult to accept if you have a game breaker. The main concern is their longevity.

Longevity is the ONLY concern IMO. If you get 2 years out of a starting RB anymore, you're ecstatic. After that, throw them away and start over.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Darnell Washington was also flunked medically by some teams. First I’ve heard that.

Since we won’t take TE until Day 3, I like Zach Kuntz or Davis Allen.

We won’t take a TE until Day 3, right guys?

 

[Moonlight]

It is interesting that 2 RBs went well before the first WR.

I yelled at the TV after both of the RB picks. Atlanta is certainly dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 in 2023, but I had ASSumed that the Loins were beyond such idiocy.

There’s this group think about RBs that’s becomes difficult to accept if you have a game breaker. The main concern is their longevity.

I think it’s more data driven than group think but we can agree to disagree,

He’ll be fun to watch, electric playmaker.

I think these guys who are hybrids part RB/WR offer more longevity than the basher smashers. Any time you have a player who is a TD threat you want to be there. With Gibbs and Jameson they do not need a lot of plays to score. Makes you more efficient.

 

[tangfoot]

It is interesting that 2 RBs went well before the first WR.

I yelled at the TV after both of the RB picks. Atlanta is certainly dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 in 2023, but I had ASSumed that the Loins were beyond such idiocy.

There’s this group think about RBs that’s becomes difficult to accept if you have a game breaker. The main concern is their longevity.

I think it’s more data driven than group think but we can agree to disagree,

He’ll be fun to watch, electric playmaker.

I think these guys who are hybrids part RB/WR offer more longevity than the basher smashers. Any time you have a player who is a TD threat you want to be there. With Gibbs and Jameson they do not need a lot of plays to score. Makes you more efficient.

It would certainly help cover up some of their defensive deficiencies.

 

[Moonlight]

Darnell Washington was also flunked medically by some teams. First I’ve heard that.

Since we won’t take TE until Day 3, I like Zach Kuntz or Davis Allen.

We won’t take a TE until Day 3, right guys?

I had heard that about Washington so he’s probably off the board.

 

[jon_mx]

It’s clear they have a special list of “their guys”. They aren’t working off of the same board as PFF and Daniel Jeremiah.

OR the rest of the NFL for that matter.

No way to know that. Dane Brugler reported that the Jets were poised to take Gibbs at 15 as an offensive weapon. Who knows about Campbell. He was linked to the Bills round 1. Maybe other teams liked him too?

So every reporter has been wrong about almost everything, but you're going to believe this little nugget that would have been completely nonsensical for the Jets? C'mon now.

That said, from an outsiders perspective, I'd be angry at that first round if I was a Lions fan

Reporters were all wrong about Levis.

 

[Mene]

It is interesting that 2 RBs went well before the first WR.

I yelled at the TV after both of the RB picks. Atlanta is certainly dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 in 2023, but I had ASSumed that the Loins were beyond such idiocy.

There’s this group think about RBs that’s becomes difficult to accept if you have a game breaker. The main concern is their longevity.

I think it’s more data driven than group think but we can agree to disagree,

He’ll be fun to watch, electric playmaker.

I think these guys who are hybrids part RB/WR offer more longevity than the basher smashers. Any time you have a player who is a TD threat you want to be there. With Gibbs and Jameson they do not need a lot of plays to score. Makes you more efficient.

Maybe, but most data minimizes the importance of the RB themselves, and emphasizes the importance of the pieces around them.

Either way, there has to be some financial consideration as well. Everyone raves about QB's on rookie contracts. The same is true for DL's, CB's, OT's. Having them on rookie contracts is a massive savings and allows better utilization of your cap. A 1st rd RB does not provide that savings.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What are the Lions Building | PFF

 

[Moonlight]

It is interesting that 2 RBs went well before the first WR.

I yelled at the TV after both of the RB picks. Atlanta is certainly dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 in 2023, but I had ASSumed that the Loins were beyond such idiocy.

There’s this group think about RBs that’s becomes difficult to accept if you have a game breaker. The main concern is their longevity.

I think it’s more data driven than group think but we can agree to disagree,

He’ll be fun to watch, electric playmaker.

I think these guys who are hybrids part RB/WR offer more longevity than the basher smashers. Any time you have a player who is a TD threat you want to be there. With Gibbs and Jameson they do not need a lot of plays to score. Makes you more efficient.

Maybe, but most data minimizes the importance of the RB themselves, and emphasizes the importance of the pieces around them.

Either way, there has to be some financial consideration as well. Everyone raves about QB's on rookie contracts. The same is true for DL's, CB's, OT's. Having them on rookie contracts is a massive savings and allows better utilization of your cap. A 1st rd RB does not provide that savings.

Yeah I read Bobby Layne’s article/thread and it makes sense except if you have a star RB. If Gibbs is a star, you want him locked in and you want him on your team.

 

[Moonlight]

LOL I was just watching the NFL network on delay and this pundit just said “Running backs do matter “

Tom Pelliseto just said Lions liked Gibbs better than Bijan and would have been comfortable drafting him at 6.

Oh My! The trade down took some heat off Holmes but at 6 lots more

 

[msudaisy26]

I still really hate the start of this draft for the Lions and I like Gibbs as a player. Those were premium picks spent on non premium positions. I hope Brad and Dan are as smart as they think they are. This city deserves a winner.

 

[Rookiefever]

When gibbs breaks off a few 30-50 yard tds a lot of you are going to be hopping off your couches full of excitement. Js

 

[msudaisy26]

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Lions "would've been comfortable" drafting Jahmyr Gibbs with the No. 6 overall pick.​

This feels like coach speak to justify an overpay.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Part of my calmness is related to somehow avoiding seeing Mel Kiper's face the last few days.

 

[Zeppelin]

Darnell Washington was also flunked medically by some teams. First I’ve heard that.

Since we won’t take TE until Day 3, I like Zach Kuntz or Davis Allen.

We won’t take a TE until Day 3, right guys?

I'm not so sure. The first player I thought of when they acquired pick 34 was Darnell Washington (this was before they drafted Gibbs).

 

[msudaisy26]

When gibbs breaks off a few 30-50 yard tds a lot of you are going to be hopping off your couches full of excitement. Js

Of course everyone will. Just because we don't like the pick means we want him to fail.

 

[BobbyLayne]

When gibbs breaks off a few 30-50 yard tds a lot of you are going to be hopping off your couches full of excitement. Js

Kind of proving my pony point. You’re valuing excitement/m, fan interest & ticket sales over building a championship roster. Jersey sales are going through the roof.

I don’t think they’re all that much closer to qualifying for Super Bowl 58. You can get there with replacement level backs. Investing in IDK or Edge or Corner would have elevated this team exponentially more than HB and a thumper MLB.

I am presuming Gibbs will be an electric playmaker and Campbell will be a ten year ring of honor guy. They’re still not the right formula according to analytics.

I’m out, see you guys tonight. Hope we land Avila and Keeanu.

 

[Moonlight]

What are the Lions Building | PFF

Good discussion here looking at the pros and cons. Thanks

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Trying to remember the last time a player who was seen as being overdrafted was later viewed as a smart pick. Josh Allen has certainly performed better than I expected him to, but I think most people had him pegged for around where he went, and besides, QBs are worth taking a shot on because of the upside.

In terms of RBs, if you look at all of the first-rounders taken in recent years, I would say CMC, Zeke, Gurley and Jacobs delivered value commensurate with where they were picked (and Saquon has when he's been able to stay healthy), and most of the rest (Fournette, Michel, Penny, CEH) were busts. More importantly, with the exception of Gurley, who was the focal point of the Rams' offense for a couple years, none of them really elevated their teams. Michel had a nice playoff run in his rookie year, but he wasn't the reason the Pats won that year. And of course by the time the Chiefs won a SB with CEH on the roster, he had been benched for a 7th rounder.

Maybe this will work out for the Lions. I certainly hope it does. But history isn't particularly reassuring.

 

[Da Guru]

I still really hate the start of this draft for the Lions and I like Gibbs as a player. Those were premium picks spent on non premium positions. I hope Brad and Dan are as smart as they think they are. This city deserves a winner.

Agree 100% with an earlier post. They might be good players but at those spots are much easier to fill.

Campbell only had 3-4 sacks in his career so he is not going to be a blitzing LB. Lions must be banking on the injured D line players to return 100% because still need more pass rushers.

I would have rolled the dice on Swift for one more year as he is under contract. Still think he has a lot of big plays in him.

 

[tangfoot]

I take exception to calling Fournette a bust.
In his first five seasons he finished as RB10, RB13 (PPG), RB7, RB35 (oof), RB6

 

[Apple Juice]

Trying to remember the last time a player who was seen as being overdrafted was later viewed as a smart pick. Josh Allen has certainly performed better than I expected him to, but I think most people had him pegged for around where he went, and besides, QBs are worth taking a shot on because of the upside.

In terms of RBs, if you look at all of the first-rounders taken in recent years, I would say CMC, Zeke, Gurley and Jacobs delivered value commensurate with where they were picked (and Saquon has when he's been able to stay healthy), and most of the rest (Fournette, Michel, Penny, CEH) were busts. More importantly, with the exception of Gurley, who was the focal point of the Rams' offense for a couple years, none of them really elevated their teams. Michel had a nice playoff run in his rookie year, but he wasn't the reason the Pats won that year. And of course by the time the Chiefs won a SB with CEH on the roster, he had been benched for a 7th rounder.

Maybe this will work out for the Lions. I certainly hope it does. But history isn't particularly reassuring.

Like everyone I'm not crazy about how we took Gibbs, but I think the quality of players in the first round should be factored in. If Holmes didn't value the other talent as difference makers for this team over the next 2-3 years, which looks to be a realistic window to compete in the playoffs in a weak NFC, a player who impacts the offense like the RBs mentioned may provide the Lions with more value than a subpar player at a premium position.

Also, Campbell coming from NO which had Kamara and Holmes coming from the Rams who had the one RB you mentioned who made a significant impact, I just have to hope all the circumstances surrounding the pick make this an exception to the rule.

 

[Ilov80s]

Trying to remember the last time a player who was seen as being overdrafted was later viewed as a smart pick. Josh Allen has certainly performed better than I expected him to, but I think most people had him pegged for around where he went, and besides, QBs are worth taking a shot on because of the upside.

In terms of RBs, if you look at all of the first-rounders taken in recent years, I would say CMC, Zeke, Gurley and Jacobs delivered value commensurate with where they were picked (and Saquon has when he's been able to stay healthy), and most of the rest (Fournette, Michel, Penny, CEH) were busts. More importantly, with the exception of Gurley, who was the focal point of the Rams' offense for a couple years, none of them really elevated their teams. Michel had a nice playoff run in his rookie year, but he wasn't the reason the Pats won that year. And of course by the time the Chiefs won a SB with CEH on the roster, he had been benched for a 7th rounder.

Maybe this will work out for the Lions. I certainly hope it does. But history isn't particularly reassuring.

Josh Allen and Justin Herbert both sort of count. Bruce Irvin was a stunner at the time and they were mocked for it. Darius Leonard was considered by some as one of the worst picks of the draft.

 

[Ilov80s]

I still really hate the start of this draft for the Lions and I like Gibbs as a player. Those were premium picks spent on non premium positions. I hope Brad and Dan are as smart as they think they are. This city deserves a winner.

Agree 100% with an earlier post. They might be good players but at those spots are much easier to fill.

Campbell only had 3-4 sacks in his career so he is not going to be a blitzing LB. Lions must be banking on the injured D line players to return 100% because still need more pass rushers.

I would have rolled the dice on Swift for one more year as he is under contract. Still think he has a lot of big plays in him.

I read that Iowa considered moving him to edge. They put him at MLB because they liked him in the middle to be the leader and captain. Ferentz said Campbell would have been the best OLB and best Edge on the team if they had played him there. His athletic testing is absurd. If they coach him up, he can rush.

 

[Ilov80s]

I take exception to calling Fournette a bust.
In his first five seasons he finished as RB10, RB13 (PPG), RB7, RB35 (oof), RB6

Agree. Not a bust but didn't prove worthy of his draft pick either.

 

[Ilov80s]

The players available for round 2 are exciting. Hopefully Detroit likes some of these guys who play CB, Edge, DT, OG.

 

[Moonlight]

Media blubbering over Jalen Carter to Eagles. Somehow it’s being spun that Carter joining his Georgia teammates is a good thing and will help keep him in line.

When in fact these were the same teammates he had when he was acting out and was lackadaisical at his Pro-Day. Self discipline is a product of your own doing.

What happens in Carter’s future will be somewhat of a litmus test between the Lions and EagLes approaches

 

[Moonlight]

Trying to remember the last time a player who was seen as being overdrafted was later viewed as a smart pick. Josh Allen has certainly performed better than I expected him to, but I think most people had him pegged for around where he went, and besides, QBs are worth taking a shot on because of the upside.

In terms of RBs, if you look at all of the first-rounders taken in recent years, I would say CMC, Zeke, Gurley and Jacobs delivered value commensurate with where they were picked (and Saquon has when he's been able to stay healthy), and most of the rest (Fournette, Michel, Penny, CEH) were busts. More importantly, with the exception of Gurley, who was the focal point of the Rams' offense for a couple years, none of them really elevated their teams. Michel had a nice playoff run in his rookie year, but he wasn't the reason the Pats won that year. And of course by the time the Chiefs won a SB with CEH on the roster, he had been benched for a 7th rounder.

Maybe this will work out for the Lions. I certainly hope it does. But history isn't particularly reassuring.

Well we haven’t had much success drafting backs in the second round. Best, LeShoure, Swift come to mind. So Lions thought they’d try a new approach.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I take exception to calling Fournette a bust.
In his first five seasons he finished as RB10, RB13 (PPG), RB7, RB35 (oof), RB6

He was a decent volume-driven fantasy asset, but in football terms he didn't do much to elevate the Jags' offense, IMO. Certainly not enough to justify his draft position

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Trying to remember the last time a player who was seen as being overdrafted was later viewed as a smart pick. Josh Allen has certainly performed better than I expected him to, but I think most people had him pegged for around where he went, and besides, QBs are worth taking a shot on because of the upside.

In terms of RBs, if you look at all of the first-rounders taken in recent years, I would say CMC, Zeke, Gurley and Jacobs delivered value commensurate with where they were picked (and Saquon has when he's been able to stay healthy), and most of the rest (Fournette, Michel, Penny, CEH) were busts. More importantly, with the exception of Gurley, who was the focal point of the Rams' offense for a couple years, none of them really elevated their teams. Michel had a nice playoff run in his rookie year, but he wasn't the reason the Pats won that year. And of course by the time the Chiefs won a SB with CEH on the roster, he had been benched for a 7th rounder.

Maybe this will work out for the Lions. I certainly hope it does. But history isn't particularly reassuring.

Well we haven’t had much success drafting backs in the second round. Best, LeShoure, Swift come to mind. So Lions thought they’d try a new approach.

https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1651765102691975168?s=20

Lions top 3 round RBs since Barry Sanders retired:

Reuben Droughns 3
Kevin Jones 1
Brian Calhoun 3
Kevin Smith 3
Jahvid Best 1
Mikel Leshoure 2
Ameer Abdullah 2
Kerryon Johnson 2
D'Andre Swift 2
Jahmyr Gibbs 1

They've combined for one 1,000-yard season in Detroit.

 

[Moonlight]

Trying to remember the last time a player who was seen as being overdrafted was later viewed as a smart pick. Josh Allen has certainly performed better than I expected him to, but I think most people had him pegged for around where he went, and besides, QBs are worth taking a shot on because of the upside.

In terms of RBs, if you look at all of the first-rounders taken in recent years, I would say CMC, Zeke, Gurley and Jacobs delivered value commensurate with where they were picked (and Saquon has when he's been able to stay healthy), and most of the rest (Fournette, Michel, Penny, CEH) were busts. More importantly, with the exception of Gurley, who was the focal point of the Rams' offense for a couple years, none of them really elevated their teams. Michel had a nice playoff run in his rookie year, but he wasn't the reason the Pats won that year. And of course by the time the Chiefs won a SB with CEH on the roster, he had been benched for a 7th rounder.

Maybe this will work out for the Lions. I certainly hope it does. But history isn't particularly reassuring.

Well we haven’t had much success drafting backs in the second round. Best, LeShoure, Swift come to mind. So Lions thought they’d try a new approach.

https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1651765102691975168?s=20

Lions top 3 round RBs since Barry Sanders retired:

Reuben Droughns 3
Kevin Jones 1
Brian Calhoun 3
Kevin Smith 3
Jahvid Best 1
Mikel Leshoure 2
Ameer Abdullah 2
Kerryon Johnson 2
D'Andre Swift 2
Jahmyr Gibbs 1

They've combined for one 1,000-yard season in Detroit.

I would suggest that these picks were made by a mostly less than competent organization.
Do you think CMC, Ekeler,Kamara Were or are worthy of a first round pick? Lions see Gibbs as that type of player and did not want to risk losing him.

 

[Zeppelin]

I'm calling it...Lions will take TE Darnell Washington with pick 34 (unless they trade back).

 

[Zeppelin]

If I were picking it would be DT Keeanu Benton.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Trying to remember the last time a player who was seen as being overdrafted was later viewed as a smart pick. Josh Allen has certainly performed better than I expected him to, but I think most people had him pegged for around where he went, and besides, QBs are worth taking a shot on because of the upside.

In terms of RBs, if you look at all of the first-rounders taken in recent years, I would say CMC, Zeke, Gurley and Jacobs delivered value commensurate with where they were picked (and Saquon has when he's been able to stay healthy), and most of the rest (Fournette, Michel, Penny, CEH) were busts. More importantly, with the exception of Gurley, who was the focal point of the Rams' offense for a couple years, none of them really elevated their teams. Michel had a nice playoff run in his rookie year, but he wasn't the reason the Pats won that year. And of course by the time the Chiefs won a SB with CEH on the roster, he had been benched for a 7th rounder.

Maybe this will work out for the Lions. I certainly hope it does. But history isn't particularly reassuring.

Well we haven’t had much success drafting backs in the second round. Best, LeShoure, Swift come to mind. So Lions thought they’d try a new approach.

https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1651765102691975168?s=20

Lions top 3 round RBs since Barry Sanders retired:

Reuben Droughns 3
Kevin Jones 1
Brian Calhoun 3
Kevin Smith 3
Jahvid Best 1
Mikel Leshoure 2
Ameer Abdullah 2
Kerryon Johnson 2
D'Andre Swift 2
Jahmyr Gibbs 1

They've combined for one 1,000-yard season in Detroit.

I would suggest that these picks were made by a mostly less than competent organization.
Do you think CMC, Ekeler,Kamara Were or are worthy of a first round pick? Lions see Gibbs as that type of player and did not want to risk losing him.

I actually heard an interesting discussion along those lines on a podcast the other day: If you knew for sure that Bijan or whoever would have the same career as CMC, would he be worth a first-round pick? They said probably, but it wasn't a slam dunk.

And of course, the fact that Kamara (3rd) and Ekeler (UDFA) have been that good is a pretty strong argument against taking anyone in the first round

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I'm calling it...Lions will take TE Darnell Washington with pick 34 (unless they trade back).

I think they should take a FB there. Need someone to open up holes for Gibbs