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2025 Detroit Lions: 8-5 How bout Dem Lions! (116 Viewers)

Thielen released. Wants to play with a contender in his final year.

Wouldn't mind him here.
I’m increasingly coming around to the view that when teams tell us a player is washed, we should believe them.

Look at Tim Patrick. When Detroit traded him, I assumed it must have been because they saw something in TeSlaa. But that clearly wasn't the case, since they've barely used him. Then I look at what he's done in Jacksonville, even with all their WR injuries, and I think the Lions just realized there was nothing left there.

But sure, if they want to give him a shot while ARSB is out and see if he can beat out Kennedy, go for it
 
I've been clear that I'm not particularly optimistic about this season. I think there are definitely some roster issues that need to be addressed, and maybe some strategic adjustments as well.

But man, some of the negativity I'm seeing out there (not talking about anyone in this thread) is ridiculous. This is still a very good football team, Holmes is still a very good GM, and Campbell is still a very good coach. I was worried coming into this year that the window may be closing, but now I'm not so sure. Who are they going to lose? Most of the important pieces are locked up already. Not sure what's going on with Morton, but if Campbell did make a mistake, I trust him to fix it the same way he did after hiring Anthony Lynn.

Things change quickly in the NFL, and if you have a strong core all it takes is a few good decisions to turn things around. Look at the Eagles. Made the Super Bowl in '22, completely fell apart down the stretch in '23, and looked mediocre the first few weeks of '24 before everything fell into place.

I'm not saying the Lions will definitely do that, but I'm actually feeling way less existential dread than I thought I would considering the way this season has gone
Good job
 
Thielen released. Wants to play with a contender in his final year.

Wouldn't mind him here.
I’m increasingly coming around to the view that when teams tell us a player is washed, we should believe them.

Look at Tim Patrick. When Detroit traded him, I assumed it must have been because they saw something in TeSlaa. But that clearly wasn't the case, since they've barely used him. Then I look at what he's done in Jacksonville, even with all their WR injuries, and I think the Lions just realized there was nothing left there.

But sure, if they want to give him a shot while ARSB is out and see if he can beat out Kennedy, go for it
Don't think this is about him being washed. He requested a release because this is his last year and he wanted to play for a contender.
The Vikings issues a statement granting him his wish.

And he's better than whatever we have now.
 
I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.
 
I basically hold out almost no hope we will beat Dallas on Thursday, but I’m calm about it. Just feels like an off year for a few reasons - double coordinator loss, Ragnow post draft retiring, tough schedule. Injuries will always happen it’s just whether it’s to key personnel or historically bad like last year which did ruin a situation that I think WAS our year. Dallas also has momentum.

We have a good core signed up. I think off season if we can FA/draft O-line to get it back to where it was previously then most of the rest will slot into place. We have the good infrastructure now where there should be less fluctuation from season to season ala other good organisations like Eagles/Chiefs/Ravens etc and they all have their down years as well.

Being told Ragnow is returning for him not to return is worse than him just staying retired. Will have been a gut punch to the players as well.

Maybe if he gets that hammy right he’ll come back next season
 
I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.
 
I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.

Holmes took some flyers on Martin and Teslaa, 6 picks for those 2 players that did not pan out. Martin is gone and hopefully Teslaa who has not shown much will contribute eventually.
 
I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.
I do feel like there have been a ton on injuries across the league this year. I play in a league with IR slots and not only have both slots been filled pretty much every week this year, I've usually had additional guys on my bench who were also out (I think the high for a single week was five). Never remember that happening in that league before.

That said, I've always wondered whether injuries are a "sticky" stat for teams. Like are some better at training and recovery than others? I know Campbell is famous for his intense practices; does that play a role?

Would be interesting to see if the next wave of football analytics focuses on training and injury prevention rather than in-game decision making. If a team could figure out a way to keep players healthier it would be a huge competitive advantage. Obviously there will always be some injuries you can't prevent (eg, Hutch's broken leg last year). But certainly soft-tissue injuries, concussions, and maybe certain kinds of repetitive stress injuries could be something teams can work on reducing
 
I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.
I do feel like there have been a ton on injuries across the league this year. I play in a league with IR slots and not only have both slots been filled pretty much every week this year, I've usually had additional guys on my bench who were also out (I think the high for a single week was five). Never remember that happening in that league before.

That said, I've always wondered whether injuries are a "sticky" stat for teams. Like are some better at training and recovery than others? I know Campbell is famous for his intense practices; does that play a role?

Would be interesting to see if the next wave of football analytics focuses on training and injury prevention rather than in-game decision making. If a team could figure out a way to keep players healthier it would be a huge competitive advantage. Obviously there will always be some injuries you can't prevent (eg, Hutch's broken leg last year). But certainly soft-tissue injuries, concussions, and maybe certain kinds of repetitive stress injuries could be something teams can work on reducing

Those are great questions and I don't think we will ever know the answer. What the NFL should do is expand rosters to 60ish, add a round or two to the draft and up the salary cap to fit them in without lowering what current players make. Then we will see less guys off the street and more guys that have been in the building, know the playbook, and are in shape.
 
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Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites.
So were the eagles and chiefs fwiw
True in the short term but overall favorites do win more than underdogs.
I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.
I do feel like there have been a ton on injuries across the league this year. I play in a league with IR slots and not only have both slots been filled pretty much every week this year, I've usually had additional guys on my bench who were also out (I think the high for a single week was five). Never remember that happening in that league before.

That said, I've always wondered whether injuries are a "sticky" stat for teams. Like are some better at training and recovery than others? I know Campbell is famous for his intense practices; does that play a role?

Would be interesting to see if the next wave of football analytics focuses on training and injury prevention rather than in-game decision making. If a team could figure out a way to keep players healthier it would be a huge competitive advantage. Obviously there will always be some injuries you can't prevent (eg, Hutch's broken leg last year). But certainly soft-tissue injuries, concussions, and maybe certain kinds of repetitive stress injuries could be something teams can work on reducing
Some interesting questions, I think it could coaching philosophy. Besides the teams mentioned, you can add the Bears. I think the biggest problems for the players are Thursday nights, and bye-week scheduling. It’s week 14 and two teams are just getting their bye. Teams do sit a lot of players on the Sunday before a Thursday if the Amazon game is a division rival.
 
I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.
I do feel like there have been a ton on injuries across the league this year. I play in a league with IR slots and not only have both slots been filled pretty much every week this year, I've usually had additional guys on my bench who were also out (I think the high for a single week was five). Never remember that happening in that league before.

That said, I've always wondered whether injuries are a "sticky" stat for teams. Like are some better at training and recovery than others? I know Campbell is famous for his intense practices; does that play a role?

Would be interesting to see if the next wave of football analytics focuses on training and injury prevention rather than in-game decision making. If a team could figure out a way to keep players healthier it would be a huge competitive advantage. Obviously there will always be some injuries you can't prevent (eg, Hutch's broken leg last year). But certainly soft-tissue injuries, concussions, and maybe certain kinds of repetitive stress injuries could be something teams can work on reducing
That’s an interesting thought. Practice habits, playing field type, medical approaches may be factors. Or is just luck?
It seems that many of on field injuries are related to collisions with or getting rolled up by players on your own team.
Hutch’s and St. Brown’s injuries come to mind for this.
Perhaps players aren’t as prepared to avoid them.
 
Speaking of Patricia, I was thinking that one silver lining of him building college football's best defense is that it might convince a dumb NFL team to give him another shot, a la Chip Kelly. Would love to see that guy flop on the the biggest stage yet again
As an Eagles fan that bemoaned the elevation of pencil boy to Philly’s DC in 2023 I am in full support of this statement.
 
Speaking of Patricia, I was thinking that one silver lining of him building college football's best defense is that it might convince a dumb NFL team to give him another shot, a la Chip Kelly. Would love to see that guy flop on the the biggest stage yet again
As an Eagles fan that bemoaned the elevation of pencil boy to Philly’s DC in 2023 I am in full support of this statement.
Basically, from the moment the Eagles humiliated him in the Super Bowl until he got the Ohio State job, the arrow had gone straight down for him. (Let's not also forget his stint at Pats OC). Considering that he had remained in Belichick's inner circle the past few years, I'm kind of surprised he took the OSU job instead of following BB to UNC, which would probably have been yet another disaster. Maybe his luck is actually turning around ... but I'm still going to bet heavily against him in any NFL role he ends up in
 
I saw something that said if the Lions go 3-2 they still have a 60% chance of making the playoffs, but I suspect that was basing it on historical averages among 10-7 teams. The NFC this year is loaded. In order to make the playoffs, the Lions will have to beat out either an NFC North team or one of two NFC West teams. So let's assume for a moment that Rams and Bears win their divisions. That would mean the Lions would need to beat out one of Seahawks, Niners or Packers (and also hold off Cowboys and Panthers). All three of those teams are currently 1.5 to 2 games ahead in the standings. I just don't see how 3-2 is going to cut it. I think it really has to be 4-1, especially since that would mean a win over the Rams and/or Bears. And even then, they might need some help.

I think the most likely target is Green Bay. Seahawks are too good and Niners are going to win any conference-record tiebreaker. With GB, the sweep is irrelevant for tiebreaking purposes because of the Cowboys tie. And they have a habit of not showing up to what should be easy matchups. Other possibility would be the Bears tailing off down the stretch and Lions having a chance to complete the season sweep in Week 18.

But even there, a 4-1 Lions finish would require a 2-3 finish from those other teams to make up the ground. Gonna be tough
Putting some numbers on this, I'm hearing that heading into tonight, Lions have a 33% chance of making the playoffs. If they lose, it's down to something like 10%. But even if they win, it only goes up to 44%. So not great, Bob.

Also, I kind of think we have to root for GB this weekend against the Bears. Because the Lions still have a chance to sweep Chicago, that means they only need to stay within a game of them heading into Week 18. They're currently two back, so if they make up one this weekend they just need to hold serve for the next three weeks. It's still a long shot -- this would require Goff winning a potential cold-weather game in January -- but probably their best shot. I think they're going to have a very hard time overtaking any of the NFC West teams
 
I saw something that said if the Lions go 3-2 they still have a 60% chance of making the playoffs, but I suspect that was basing it on historical averages among 10-7 teams. The NFC this year is loaded. In order to make the playoffs, the Lions will have to beat out either an NFC North team or one of two NFC West teams. So let's assume for a moment that Rams and Bears win their divisions. That would mean the Lions would need to beat out one of Seahawks, Niners or Packers (and also hold off Cowboys and Panthers). All three of those teams are currently 1.5 to 2 games ahead in the standings. I just don't see how 3-2 is going to cut it. I think it really has to be 4-1, especially since that would mean a win over the Rams and/or Bears. And even then, they might need some help.

I think the most likely target is Green Bay. Seahawks are too good and Niners are going to win any conference-record tiebreaker. With GB, the sweep is irrelevant for tiebreaking purposes because of the Cowboys tie. And they have a habit of not showing up to what should be easy matchups. Other possibility would be the Bears tailing off down the stretch and Lions having a chance to complete the season sweep in Week 18.

But even there, a 4-1 Lions finish would require a 2-3 finish from those other teams to make up the ground. Gonna be tough
Putting some numbers on this, I'm hearing that heading into tonight, Lions have a 33% chance of making the playoffs. If they lose, it's down to something like 10%. But even if they win, it only goes up to 44%. So not great, Bob.

Also, I kind of think we have to root for GB this weekend against the Bears. Because the Lions still have a chance to sweep Chicago, that means they only need to stay within a game of them heading into Week 18. They're currently two back, so if they make up one this weekend they just need to hold serve for the next three weeks. It's still a long shot -- this would require Goff winning a potential cold-weather game in January -- but probably their best shot. I think they're going to have a very hard time overtaking any of the NFC West teams
GB is a 6.5 favorite vs Bears, I thought that line would be closer to a FG.
 
I saw something that said if the Lions go 3-2 they still have a 60% chance of making the playoffs, but I suspect that was basing it on historical averages among 10-7 teams. The NFC this year is loaded. In order to make the playoffs, the Lions will have to beat out either an NFC North team or one of two NFC West teams. So let's assume for a moment that Rams and Bears win their divisions. That would mean the Lions would need to beat out one of Seahawks, Niners or Packers (and also hold off Cowboys and Panthers). All three of those teams are currently 1.5 to 2 games ahead in the standings. I just don't see how 3-2 is going to cut it. I think it really has to be 4-1, especially since that would mean a win over the Rams and/or Bears. And even then, they might need some help.

I think the most likely target is Green Bay. Seahawks are too good and Niners are going to win any conference-record tiebreaker. With GB, the sweep is irrelevant for tiebreaking purposes because of the Cowboys tie. And they have a habit of not showing up to what should be easy matchups. Other possibility would be the Bears tailing off down the stretch and Lions having a chance to complete the season sweep in Week 18.

But even there, a 4-1 Lions finish would require a 2-3 finish from those other teams to make up the ground. Gonna be tough
Putting some numbers on this, I'm hearing that heading into tonight, Lions have a 33% chance of making the playoffs. If they lose, it's down to something like 10%. But even if they win, it only goes up to 44%. So not great, Bob.

Also, I kind of think we have to root for GB this weekend against the Bears. Because the Lions still have a chance to sweep Chicago, that means they only need to stay within a game of them heading into Week 18. They're currently two back, so if they make up one this weekend they just need to hold serve for the next three weeks. It's still a long shot -- this would require Goff winning a potential cold-weather game in January -- but probably their best shot. I think they're going to have a very hard time overtaking any of the NFC West teams
GB is a 6.5 favorite vs Bears, I thought that line would be closer to a FG.
Bears get no respect, though to be fair, they have had a horseshoe up their butt all year that has allowed them to win games they definitely should have lost. Raiders, Commanders, probably a couple others I'm forgetting right now.
 
Kick the tires on Big Play Slay??
Had the same thought. I have no idea if he still has anything left, but they could certainly use help at the position. Plus would be a nice full-circle moment after Patricia ran him out of town
And ... Bills claimed him
And ... now he's considering retirement. Like I said, with these late-career guys sometimes it works out, but sometimes there's a reason their previous team gave up on them. We all wanted the Lions to re-sign ZSmith, then he went to the Eagles and retired a week later
 
An Tyreek Williams sightings as of late? Has he been hurt as he has zero sacks and only 5 tackles on the season. Need more out of a #1 pick.
Need more out of the defense as a whole. Lions have scored enough points. Also special teams on returns and coverage is in need of improvement.
 
Forward down the field,
A charging team that will not yield.
And when the Blue and Silver wave,
Stand and cheer the brave.
Rah, Rah, Rah.
Go hard, win the game.
With honor you will keep your fame.
Down the field and gain,
A Lion victory!
 
As an Eagles fan and huge admirer of this Lions’ team, who has Jah and Jamo on his Fantasy team- thank you, DC and the Lions!!!!

Best possible outcome of the night for me, personally! I love this team!
 
Massive win. Just didn’t see us doing it and they proved me wrong.

Hope Branch is okay. Loved the even usage between Amon-Ra and Jamo. The O line gave Goff time all night long but I’ll more put that down to the Dallas D-line being bad.

Gibbs is just so good. Monty hasn’t even done anything bad to have the split start sliding away from him it’s just that Gibbs is so… good. And yet Monty still has his time and place to do some leg churning
 
Great win. Exceeded all our expectations.
Liked seeing Montgomery get more work. Cannot continue feeding Gibbs that much. He will wear down.
Jack played a great game. Love that the defense can play 4-3 even against 3 WR sets due to the athleticism of our LB's.

Big game next week.
 
Great win. Exceeded all our expectations.
Liked seeing Montgomery get more work. Cannot continue feeding Gibbs that much. He will wear down.
Good point on Monty and Gibbs.

One problem with fantasy boards are greedy owners that want only their guy to get all the touches. As you said it will only wear down a back in the long run.
 
Williams had a nice game. Why was he wearing a mask that cover his mouth and nose indoors? Seems like it would be tough to breath and get air intake.
 
They just announced on NFL Network Branch is feared to have a torn Achilles. Ugh.


This one really hurts the team. Branch and Campbell are the leaders of the defense.

Branch did not seem right the whole game..he was limping before this injury. Wonder now if he had a partial tear going in.
 
Williams had a nice game. Why was he wearing a mask that cover his mouth and nose indoors? Seems like it would be tough to breath and get air intake.
I'd never seen that before, but I have noticed more and more guys wearing those balaclavas, which you would normally associate with cold weather, in dome games. I don't get that at all
 
They just announced on NFL Network Branch is feared to have a torn Achilles. Ugh.


This one really hurts the team. Branch and Campbell are the leaders of the defense.

Branch did not seem right the whole game..he was limping before this injury. Wonder now if he had a partial tear going in.
Achilles injuries in safeties aren't necessarily career threatening, but they can certainly be career altering. This will definitely factor into the decision to give him a second contract
 
Last night was a good win that makes me feel slightly better, but still doesn't really alter my view that this year's team doesn't really have it. If they can go into LA next week and beat the Rams, then I'll really start believing. But the injuries last night, especially Branch, are extremely worrisome.

I do see a path to the playoffs now at least. We probably need GB to beat Chicago this week, but whoever wins that game, we want to see them win the rematch in two weeks as well. That would pretty much lock up the division and put the losing team in a tough spot. The reason it would be better if Chicago lost those games is that Lions face them in Week 18
 

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