Da Guru
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Individual games? I break up my Lion fan career into individual decades. Lions have not won a playoff game in 27 years, a championship in 61 years.
I like Stafford but after 10 seasons he is what he is.
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2025 Detroit Lions: Game 1 Lions vs Packers. (25 Viewers)
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I like Stafford but after 10 seasons he is what he is.
jomar
Footballguy
that's the going rate
matuski
Footballguy
jomar
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
While the qb deserves some criticism, my list starts with ownership and the so called losing culture. That's why I am willing to give the gm and hc a little more time to straighten things out from this 60 year nightmare.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes but if the Lions had drafted a QB like Jay Cutler or Andy Dalton instead, the same quote would still hold true which is pretty sad.
matuski
Footballguy
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Da Guru
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That is not saying much though. Mitchell, Peete, Harrington, Kitna, Batch, Ferotte, Stanton, Hipple. All of those Lions starters should be been backups at best...and most were.
I do like Stafford..just he is what he is. The best Lion QB in a long time. I know he is not going anywhere so hopefully they have a good draft.
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matuski
Footballguy
Nothing says much about the Lions.. but declaring the best player and QB on the team as the problem is a position I don't understand.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This has been my biggest problem with lion fans. Every player deserves criticism but to totally ignore the other 52 players while making one player the scapegoat has never made sense. Like hockey fans who only blame the starting goalie for the team being crap.
Da Guru
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So what do the Lions need now? They had 6 points going into the 4th quarter, the Seattle game they had what 7 going into the 4th quarter? Those 2 games were pivotal to the season and now we are 3-5 and looking at a 6-10, 7-9 season.
What do they need to score more ?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Not give up ten sacks and also get rid of the stupid penalties would be a good way to start.
Da Guru
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Da Guru
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Did you watch the NFL Network last night? They blamed half the sacks on Stafford. Not me..the pundits.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The entire offense along with the OC to start. But I know what you mean, it's just never one player.
Da Guru
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Forget that nonsense....lets talk about something important. We should be getting a good draft pick next year. What are the needs?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
That same network comes out with a top 100 player list every year. The only lion to make that list on offense the last 2 years is stafford.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Best player? I just highlighted the fact that other than stafford and slay the lions have no talent considered in the top 100 in the nfl. Go look and see what other teams have.
Da Guru
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
As always. ?
Btw, the biggest difference between cousins and stafford is that one plays for the Vikings and the other for the lions.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
Mostly Pass rusher and as many DBs as it takes for Teez Tabor to never see the field again. But a little bit of near everything.
2nd best since somewhere in the 50s might be the 1.5 good years of Scott Mitchell. So yeah, not a lot of competition there.
Da Guru
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matuski
Footballguy
Da Guru
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2 high priced FAs, 2 #1 draft choices and a 3rd pick are starters. They have invested big in the o-line and can`t keep putting picks and $$$$ into it.
jomar
Footballguy
none of this matters if they can't play. and they haven't been able to play for a long time.
Angry spiders
Footballguy
Tj lang is far too injury prone and wagoner seems to have his very poor games....
Da Guru
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It does matter. Lions are cap invested into the o-line and really can`t afford to draft or spend more on it.jomar said:
Lang and Wagner were all-pros..now all of a sudden they can`t play? Decker was touted as an up and coming all-pro. Ragnow was highly rated. It is puzzling.
Cooter got the dreaded vote of confidence today by Patty.
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Angry spiders
Footballguy
Ameer is cut
jomar
Footballguy
you were responding to a post that stated we needed good o-line. how much we've paid or where we drafted our current o-line doesn't matter if they still suck. it doesn't help get us a good o-line just by throwing money or draft picks at the problem. we need guys who can play, I don't care if they're 6th rounders or league minimum players.
Lang and Wagner WERE all-pros. they are certainly not now. is it age or coaching, I don't know
Da Guru
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Angry spiders
Footballguy
Da Guru
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It's clear that any carry overs are on the chopping block when it comes to coaches (Cooter next with a pink slip).
Since the defense needs more than snacks and slay, I would expect that side will get the most off-season player attention.
Staffords contract will keep him around like it or not, most they can do is get rid of his Cooter. Maybe a fresh OC can do something with the pieces they already have in place.
I know that's not much to look forward to, but what else can you hope for from a team that is a 60 year old basket case.
Since the defense needs more than snacks and slay, I would expect that side will get the most off-season player attention.
Staffords contract will keep him around like it or not, most they can do is get rid of his Cooter. Maybe a fresh OC can do something with the pieces they already have in place.
I know that's not much to look forward to, but what else can you hope for from a team that is a 60 year old basket case.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Angry spiders
Footballguy
Why? Hes slow...small....goes down on first contact....and oh yeah....he fumbles.....alot.....terrible football player
Da Guru
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Rich Gannon rips Stafford.
After Boomer Esiason called out Stafford last month for a lack of fire, Rich Gannon criticized Detroit's franchise quarterback for being an "overpaid stat king" during a segment this week on CBS Sports Network's NFL Monday QB.
"Can Matthew Stafford ever win in Detroit? I'm getting sick and tired of talking about Matthew Stafford. I mean, the guy is overpaid. He's making north of $25 million, he's been one of the highest-paid quarterbacks in the league over the last four or five years and he's just a stat king. He picks up a lot of yards and production in garbage time," Gannon said.
Stafford inked a five-year, $135 million extension last year that at the time made him the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL.
In the mind of Gannon, a four-time Pro Bowler who was named MVP in 2002. As clutch as he might be in the fourth-quarter, his subpar play early in games results in the Lions playing from behind.
"Look at the career numbers. He's 63-70 as a starting quarterback. At some point, you are what your record says you are," said Gannon, who had a career record of 76-56. "They haven't been competitive enough in this division. The division has been dominated by the Packers and the Vikings, and the reason why the Lions are not a better football team — a big reason why — is the lack of production from Stafford in the first quarter to the third quarter.
"Forget about the fourth quarter, take the fourth quarter out of the mix. He just doesn't put his team in position to be competitive in the first three quarters and win close games."
Stafford has delivered a pair of duds in the last two games. The Lions are 3-5 and in last place in the NFC North.
It was around this time last month that Esiason called Stafford a "locker room lawyer" who's too much like Eli Manning in terms of his personality.
"I want Matt Patricia to hold him accountable. You know, 'It's not going to be all about you in the fourth quarter, son. I need you to be careful. I need you to be energetic,'" Esiason said. "One of the reasons why I think Tom Brady screams a lot on the sideline is because I think he tries to whip himself up into a frenzy, and I don't see that from Matthew. I see a lot of Eli Manning in Matthew, like, 'Oh, it's okay.' No, it's not okay. It's your team and you have to get your guys to believe in you and that you're going to win."
After Boomer Esiason called out Stafford last month for a lack of fire, Rich Gannon criticized Detroit's franchise quarterback for being an "overpaid stat king" during a segment this week on CBS Sports Network's NFL Monday QB.
"Can Matthew Stafford ever win in Detroit? I'm getting sick and tired of talking about Matthew Stafford. I mean, the guy is overpaid. He's making north of $25 million, he's been one of the highest-paid quarterbacks in the league over the last four or five years and he's just a stat king. He picks up a lot of yards and production in garbage time," Gannon said.
Stafford inked a five-year, $135 million extension last year that at the time made him the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL.
In the mind of Gannon, a four-time Pro Bowler who was named MVP in 2002. As clutch as he might be in the fourth-quarter, his subpar play early in games results in the Lions playing from behind.
"Look at the career numbers. He's 63-70 as a starting quarterback. At some point, you are what your record says you are," said Gannon, who had a career record of 76-56. "They haven't been competitive enough in this division. The division has been dominated by the Packers and the Vikings, and the reason why the Lions are not a better football team — a big reason why — is the lack of production from Stafford in the first quarter to the third quarter.
"Forget about the fourth quarter, take the fourth quarter out of the mix. He just doesn't put his team in position to be competitive in the first three quarters and win close games."
Stafford has delivered a pair of duds in the last two games. The Lions are 3-5 and in last place in the NFC North.
It was around this time last month that Esiason called Stafford a "locker room lawyer" who's too much like Eli Manning in terms of his personality.
"I want Matt Patricia to hold him accountable. You know, 'It's not going to be all about you in the fourth quarter, son. I need you to be careful. I need you to be energetic,'" Esiason said. "One of the reasons why I think Tom Brady screams a lot on the sideline is because I think he tries to whip himself up into a frenzy, and I don't see that from Matthew. I see a lot of Eli Manning in Matthew, like, 'Oh, it's okay.' No, it's not okay. It's your team and you have to get your guys to believe in you and that you're going to win."
Futz
Footballguy
I think 50% of the venom Stafford receives is based solely on the money he's made. He was the last of the un-capped rookie QBs to land the larger than life (haven't earned it yet contracts) and re-upped to become the highest paid player in the league at one point (market dictated). The expectations that go with that are larger than his abilities. He really was and has been in a no win situation. You take away the monster contracts and he's an above average QB that is sadly the best QB the franchise has had in the last 40 years. If people viewed it that simplistically and erased the $$$ aspect, he'd be more appreciated.
Having said that, I'm not defending him. There are some intangibles to the game that Matt seems to lack. It's hard to put a finger on but I believe it has to do with in game management/intelligence and leadership. Does he do enough in the film room? Not sure. Everyone knows he's got a legendary arm that can make all the throws (So could Jeff George though and he didn't win squat either....) however I think he has never taken the next steps in QB development for some reason.
Having said that, I'm not defending him. There are some intangibles to the game that Matt seems to lack. It's hard to put a finger on but I believe it has to do with in game management/intelligence and leadership. Does he do enough in the film room? Not sure. Everyone knows he's got a legendary arm that can make all the throws (So could Jeff George though and he didn't win squat either....) however I think he has never taken the next steps in QB development for some reason.
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shadrap
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I would say you are psychic but those that watch the lions already know things in advance.
Da Guru
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Mack should be charged with a felony for what he did to Taylor Decker today. Have not seen a 300lb OT get run over like that in a long time. Mack totally destroyed him and then just grabbed Stafford like a rag doll.
At 3-6 looks like a 500 season is not going to happen. Looking at the schedule 6-10 might even be wishful thinking. On another note I never realized how fat Patricia was. Those tight military hoodies were not flattering to him.
At 3-6 looks like a 500 season is not going to happen. Looking at the schedule 6-10 might even be wishful thinking. On another note I never realized how fat Patricia was. Those tight military hoodies were not flattering to him.
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