2025 Detroit Lions: Game 1 Lions vs Packers. (38 Viewers)

[Da Guru]

I think Jamaal comes back the way he spoke after the game, unless someone really throws money at him ( unlikely given FA class and deep draft ).

Alternatives …

FA - Monty/Harris or Sanders if they aren’t costing much more than a Jamaal return
Draft - Evans/Chase Brown/Corum/Charbonnet type ?

Highly doubt we are in for one of the very top draft options although have now seen a mock today with Bijan going to us at 18

I think he stays

Williams is a grinder who is worth more to the Lions than other teams. Also Williams has been a culture changer. Lions need to overpay him a little to stay.

 

[Da Guru]

Good news is Detroit should be able to afford to bring almost everyone back, touch up spots in FA and bring in another loaded draft class with 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks.

MCDC said postgame “Gotta go build it again. We’ll have to teach the next group how to win.” That’s the reality of todays NFL. Rodgers was saying the other day on McAfee the other day “it’s been fun watching this team learn how to win…which you have to do every year.”

You can get good quick, you can turn it around in 1-2 seasons. They have a good young core, obviously. But there’s only 36 signed for next year and handful won’t be there (Brockers, Big V, tbd on Charles Harris, Romeo.) Jamaal and Chark can walk - hope they don’t but lot of work to do.

Might need a new OC because Ben Johnson will get offers.

Defense defense defense. Don’t stop drafting lineman, big guys are the key. Need a lot of upgrades on the back line.

I trust Brad Holmes talent evaluation.

Holmes track record in the draft speaks for itself. He should be able to stabilize our core for the next few years with all these picks. I'm curious how he approaches free agency where he hasn't done much yet, understandably so. Does he bring in a corner or a linebacker, a solid vet to provide leadership on a young defense? A running back or just resign Williams? Tight end? Obviously he can address any position in the draft as well so I'm curious what he allocates money toward.

I would just roll with Williams, Swift and Jackson again next season. Many RBs fall in the draft so maybe find a hidden gem.

Running game was more than capable.

 

[Chaka]

Unbelievable that the Lions manage to get screwed by the refs in a game they weren't even involved in. I counted four times from the last minute of regulation through OT where they went to Blandino saying refs blew a call in a way that benefitted Seattle

the running into the K seemed pretty bad

whatever

this year is house money Lions will contend for the division 2023

once we came out flat in Carolina they lost control of their own destiny

don’t like it then don’t start the year in a 1-6 hole you have to climb out of

good lessons for a young team

Yeah, I'm not broken up about them missing the playoffs. Beating GB in Lambeau tonight matters far more than getting pounded by SF next week. But it truly is amazing how they never manage to get the calls. Seriously, can anyone remember the last time when the Lions benefitted from a bad call? Closest I can come up with is the Jerome Bettis coin flip

I'm sure the Lions have benefited from blown calls just as often as they have been hurt by them. Not remembering the positive outcomes is human nature as memory favors negative outcomes. It's an evolutionary survival mechanism by which we learned not to eat the mushrooms with the blistered red caps or pet the fluffy kitty with the 9 inch fangs.

The only team with a legitimate historical gripe against the refs is the Raiders. There have been studies done about the topic.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I think Jamaal comes back the way he spoke after the game, unless someone really throws money at him ( unlikely given FA class and deep draft ). played

Alternatives …

FA - Monty/Harris or Sanders if they aren’t costing much more than a Jamaal return
Draft - Evans/Chase Brown/Corum/Charbonnet type ?

Highly doubt we are in for one of the very top draft options although have now seen a mock today with Bijan going to us at 18

I think he stays

Williams is a grinder who worth more to the Lions than other teams. Also Williams has been a culture changer. Lions need to overpay him a little to stay.

he wants to stay, but it's gotta be at the right price. they have some cap space, and will free up more with cuts to Brockers, Big V, probably Charles Harris. I'm on the fence on Romeo, he actually played OK the last two games.

they have 36 under contract, take out the draft class money and they'll have around $25-28m to work with for FAs. Will be interesting to see what Brad does there. probably can only make one big signing, the rest will be budget prove it deals. haven't look over the RFA/UFA lists so not sure what's out there.

Williams + Chark would be great to bring back, but only at the right price.

 

[Chaka]

Congrats to the Lions and their fans. Great season. I hope they retain Ben Johnson and most of the offensive line in the offseason. This team isn't far from being a legitimate contender if they can keep those pieces in place.

 

[nysfl2]

I think Jamaal comes back the way he spoke after the game, unless someone really throws money at him ( unlikely given FA class and deep draft ). played

Alternatives …

FA - Monty/Harris or Sanders if they aren’t costing much more than a Jamaal return
Draft - Evans/Chase Brown/Corum/Charbonnet type ?

Highly doubt we are in for one of the very top draft options although have now seen a mock today with Bijan going to us at 18

I think he stays

Williams is a grinder who worth more to the Lions than other teams. Also Williams has been a culture changer. Lions need to overpay him a little to stay.

he wants to stay, but it's gotta be at the right price. they have some cap space, and will free up more with cuts to Brockers, Big V, probably Charles Harris. I'm on the fence on Romeo, he actually played OK the last two games.

they have 36 under contract, take out the draft class money and they'll have around $25-28m to work with for FAs. Will be interesting to see what Brad does there. probably can only make one big signing, the rest will be budget prove it deals. haven't look over the RFA/UFA lists so not sure what's out there.

Williams + Chark would be great to bring back, but only at the right price.

Jamaal doesn't seem like a guy who would bolt from a team that he loves for an extra $500,000. I'd be shocked if they didn't bring him back on a reasonable two year deal.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Another way to improve,/maintain the running game is by drafting or a FA OG. Maybe a road grader in the 2nd or 3rd round. Early season showed how important depth can be at that position.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Unbelievable that the Lions manage to get screwed by the refs in a game they weren't even involved in. I counted four times from the last minute of regulation through OT where they went to Blandino saying refs blew a call in a way that benefitted Seattle

the running into the K seemed pretty bad

whatever

this year is house money Lions will contend for the division 2023

once we came out flat in Carolina they lost control of their own destiny

don’t like it then don’t start the year in a 1-6 hole you have to climb out of

good lessons for a young team

Yeah, I'm not broken up about them missing the playoffs. Beating GB in Lambeau tonight matters far more than getting pounded by SF next week. But it truly is amazing how they never manage to get the calls. Seriously, can anyone remember the last time when the Lions benefitted from a bad call? Closest I can come up with is the Jerome Bettis coin flip

I'm sure the Lions have benefited from blown calls just as often as they have been hurt by them. Not remembering the positive outcomes is human nature as memory favors negative outcomes. It's an evolutionary survival mechanism by which we learned not to eat the mushrooms with the blistered red caps or pet the fluffy kitty with the 9 inch fangs.

The only team with a legitimate historical gripe against the refs is the Raiders. There have been studies done about the topic.

Listen doesn't do any good to gripe about calls. In the moment you have to put it behind you and make a play. It's just part of the game. ***** all you want, the call isn't gonna change.

You can't let those things be an excuse. You have to overcome it.

Every game you have adversity. An untimely penalty, a turnover, an unlucky bounce. When the offense screws up you need the defense to pick them up with a stop. When the D can't get a stop, you need a response. That's what winning football is all about - be complimentary, pick each other up. You ain't gotta be perfect to win games. But you can't ever let the refs get in your head.

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Another way to improve,/maintain the running game is by drafting or a FA OG. Maybe a road grader in the 2nd or 3rd round. Early season showed how important depth can be at that position.

yeah Big V is probably a cap cut. Pretty sure Evan Brown is a UFA. Frank has plantar fasciitis is both feet, need surgery. So we'll need a starting G and a backup C.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Unbelievable that the Lions manage to get screwed by the refs in a game they weren't even involved in. I counted four times from the last minute of regulation through OT where they went to Blandino saying refs blew a call in a way that benefitted Seattle

the running into the K seemed pretty bad

whatever

this year is house money Lions will contend for the division 2023

once we came out flat in Carolina they lost control of their own destiny

don’t like it then don’t start the year in a 1-6 hole you have to climb out of

good lessons for a young team

Yeah, I'm not broken up about them missing the playoffs. Beating GB in Lambeau tonight matters far more than getting pounded by SF next week. But it truly is amazing how they never manage to get the calls. Seriously, can anyone remember the last time when the Lions benefitted from a bad call? Closest I can come up with is the Jerome Bettis coin flip

I'm sure the Lions have benefited from blown calls just as often as they have been hurt by them. Not remembering the positive outcomes is human nature as memory favors negative outcomes. It's an evolutionary survival mechanism by which we learned not to eat the mushrooms with the blistered red caps or pet the fluffy kitty with the 9 inch fangs.

The only team with a legitimate historical gripe against the refs is the Raiders. There have been studies done about the topic.

On one level, I know that you are right. And yet, I really can't remember the Lions benefitting from bad calls. Probably a function of the Lions not really winning any big games in my lifetime, so there haven't been any that swung a game. Who remembers if the ref calls a bad DPI in a 48-3 game in Week 15 matchup with the Browns?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Ross Tucker
@RossTuckerNFL

"Fellas, we aren't going to the playoffs. But neither are those motherf-ckers. Let's go kick their ***!"
-Dan Campbell pregame speech to the Lions*

*probably
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[ignatiusjreilly]

Unbelievable that the Lions manage to get screwed by the refs in a game they weren't even involved in. I counted four times from the last minute of regulation through OT where they went to Blandino saying refs blew a call in a way that benefitted Seattle

the running into the K seemed pretty bad

whatever

this year is house money Lions will contend for the division 2023

once we came out flat in Carolina they lost control of their own destiny

don’t like it then don’t start the year in a 1-6 hole you have to climb out of

good lessons for a young team

Yeah, I'm not broken up about them missing the playoffs. Beating GB in Lambeau tonight matters far more than getting pounded by SF next week. But it truly is amazing how they never manage to get the calls. Seriously, can anyone remember the last time when the Lions benefitted from a bad call? Closest I can come up with is the Jerome Bettis coin flip

I'm sure the Lions have benefited from blown calls just as often as they have been hurt by them. Not remembering the positive outcomes is human nature as memory favors negative outcomes. It's an evolutionary survival mechanism by which we learned not to eat the mushrooms with the blistered red caps or pet the fluffy kitty with the 9 inch fangs.

The only team with a legitimate historical gripe against the refs is the Raiders. There have been studies done about the topic.

Listen doesn't do any good to gripe about calls. In the moment you have to put it behind you and make a play. It's just part of the game. ***** all you want, the call isn't gonna change.

You can't let those things be an excuse. You have to overcome it.

Every game you have adversity. An untimely penalty, a turnover, an unlucky bounce. When the offense screws up you need the defense to pick them up with a stop. When the D can't get a stop, you need a response. That's what winning football is all about - be complimentary, pick each other up. You ain't gotta be perfect to win games. But you can't ever let the refs get in your head.

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

Also true. And even if there is any systemic bias, I certainly don't think that's the main -- or even secondary or tertiary -- reason they haven't won a playoff game in 30 years. Plenty of blame to go around

 

[Da Guru]

Unbelievable that the Lions manage to get screwed by the refs in a game they weren't even involved in. I counted four times from the last minute of regulation through OT where they went to Blandino saying refs blew a call in a way that benefitted Seattle

the running into the K seemed pretty bad

whatever

this year is house money Lions will contend for the division 2023

once we came out flat in Carolina they lost control of their own destiny

don’t like it then don’t start the year in a 1-6 hole you have to climb out of

good lessons for a young team

Yeah, I'm not broken up about them missing the playoffs. Beating GB in Lambeau tonight matters far more than getting pounded by SF next week. But it truly is amazing how they never manage to get the calls. Seriously, can anyone remember the last time when the Lions benefitted from a bad call? Closest I can come up with is the Jerome Bettis coin flip

I'm sure the Lions have benefited from blown calls just as often as they have been hurt by them. Not remembering the positive outcomes is human nature as memory favors negative outcomes. It's an evolutionary survival mechanism by which we learned not to eat the mushrooms with the blistered red caps or pet the fluffy kitty with the 9 inch fangs.

The only team with a legitimate historical gripe against the refs is the Raiders. There have been studies done about the topic.

Listen doesn't do any good to gripe about calls. In the moment you have to put it behind you and make a play. It's just part of the game. ***** all you want, the call isn't gonna change.

You can't let those things be an excuse. You have to overcome it.

Every game you have adversity. An untimely penalty, a turnover, an unlucky bounce. When the offense screws up you need the defense to pick them up with a stop. When the D can't get a stop, you need a response. That's what winning football is all about - be complimentary, pick each other up. You ain't gotta be perfect to win games. But you can't ever let the refs get in your head.

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

I try to never ***** about the refs. Even the Dallas game as if you watch the replay of the picked up PI Pettigrew grabbed the Dallas DBs facemask. To me that was a wash. And Stafford had the ball with 2:30 left and TOs so there was still opportunity.

But the end of the Seattle Rams game was a disgrace and everyone is talking about it this morning.

Running into the kicker call was horrible, Geno got away with a intentional grounding, when Ramsey made contact with Geno he was stationary and Genos last steps were inbounds. Of course Geno flopped like he was a soccer player and got the call. Then Metcalf jabbed Ramsey in the face so it should have been offsetting and replayed the down, but it was not unnecessary roughness.

Then Diggs should have been flagged for taunting on the INT. Stupid ruled but the showed it over and over this morning and it gets called all the time.

Those calls impacted another team's playoff hopes. I can see playing over one bad call but all those happened late in the game and all in Seattle's favor. That is probably where the home crowd comes into play and the refs get caught in the the emotions of the stadium.

Another note. Baker Mayfield stinks as a starter, I would take him as a backup for the right price as he can win a game or two if needed, but man did he look small and slow last night.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I try to never ***** about the refs. Even the Dallas game as if you watch the replay of the picked up PI Pettigrew grabbed the Dallas DBs facemask. To me that was a wash. And Stafford had the ball with 2:30 left and TOs so there was still opportunity.

Everyone remembers the flag that got picked up. What I remember is Sam Martin hit a 10 yard punt. WTAF man. Talk about a choke job.3rd & 1 at DAL 46

• 3rd & 1 at DAL 46
  (8:25 - 4th) M.Stafford pass incomplete deep left to B.Pettigrew (A.Hitchens).​

• 4th & 1 at DAL 46​

  (8:25 - 4th) (Run formation) PENALTY on DET-M.Stafford, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 46 - No Play.

• 4th & 6 at DET 49​

  (8:18 - 4th) (Punt formation) S.Martin punts 10 yards to DAL 41, Center-D.Muhlbach, out of bounds.

DALLAS: TOUCHDOWN11 PLAYS, 59 YARDS, 5:38
DET20-DAL24

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Unbelievable that the Lions manage to get screwed by the refs in a game they weren't even involved in. I counted four times from the last minute of regulation through OT where they went to Blandino saying refs blew a call in a way that benefitted Seattle

the running into the K seemed pretty bad

whatever

this year is house money Lions will contend for the division 2023

once we came out flat in Carolina they lost control of their own destiny

don’t like it then don’t start the year in a 1-6 hole you have to climb out of

good lessons for a young team

Yeah, I'm not broken up about them missing the playoffs. Beating GB in Lambeau tonight matters far more than getting pounded by SF next week. But it truly is amazing how they never manage to get the calls. Seriously, can anyone remember the last time when the Lions benefitted from a bad call? Closest I can come up with is the Jerome Bettis coin flip

I'm sure the Lions have benefited from blown calls just as often as they have been hurt by them. Not remembering the positive outcomes is human nature as memory favors negative outcomes. It's an evolutionary survival mechanism by which we learned not to eat the mushrooms with the blistered red caps or pet the fluffy kitty with the 9 inch fangs.

The only team with a legitimate historical gripe against the refs is the Raiders. There have been studies done about the topic.

Listen doesn't do any good to gripe about calls. In the moment you have to put it behind you and make a play. It's just part of the game. ***** all you want, the call isn't gonna change.

You can't let those things be an excuse. You have to overcome it.

Every game you have adversity. An untimely penalty, a turnover, an unlucky bounce. When the offense screws up you need the defense to pick them up with a stop. When the D can't get a stop, you need a response. That's what winning football is all about - be complimentary, pick each other up. You ain't gotta be perfect to win games. But you can't ever let the refs get in your head.

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

I try to never ***** about the refs. Even the Dallas game as if you watch the replay of the picked up PI Pettigrew grabbed the Dallas DBs facemask. To me that was a wash. And Stafford had the ball with 2:30 left and TOs so there was still opportunity.

But the end of the Seattle Rams game was a disgrace and everyone is talking about it this morning.

Running into the kicker call was horrible, Geno got away with a intentional grounding, when Ramsey made contact with Geno he was stationary and Genos last steps were inbounds. Of course Geno flopped like he was a soccer player and got the call. Then Metcalf jabbed Ramsey in the face so it should have been offsetting and replayed the down, but it was not unnecessary roughness.

Then Diggs should have been flagged for taunting on the INT. Stupid ruled but the showed it over and over this morning and it gets called all the time.

Those calls impacted another team's playoff hopes. I can see playing over one bad call but all those happened late in the game and all in Seattle's favor. That is probably where the home crowd comes into play and the refs get caught in the the emotions of the stadium.

Another note. Baker Mayfield stinks as a starter, I would take him as a backup for the right price as he can win a game or two if needed, but man did he look small and slow last night.

They were all terrible calls, but it's worth pointing out that the only one that really impacted the final result was the missed taunting penalty. And even there, it gave Seattle 15 yards on a drive where they were moving down the field pretty easily

 

[Da Guru]

Unbelievable that the Lions manage to get screwed by the refs in a game they weren't even involved in. I counted four times from the last minute of regulation through OT where they went to Blandino saying refs blew a call in a way that benefitted Seattle

the running into the K seemed pretty bad

whatever

this year is house money Lions will contend for the division 2023

once we came out flat in Carolina they lost control of their own destiny

don’t like it then don’t start the year in a 1-6 hole you have to climb out of

good lessons for a young team

Yeah, I'm not broken up about them missing the playoffs. Beating GB in Lambeau tonight matters far more than getting pounded by SF next week. But it truly is amazing how they never manage to get the calls. Seriously, can anyone remember the last time when the Lions benefitted from a bad call? Closest I can come up with is the Jerome Bettis coin flip

I'm sure the Lions have benefited from blown calls just as often as they have been hurt by them. Not remembering the positive outcomes is human nature as memory favors negative outcomes. It's an evolutionary survival mechanism by which we learned not to eat the mushrooms with the blistered red caps or pet the fluffy kitty with the 9 inch fangs.

The only team with a legitimate historical gripe against the refs is the Raiders. There have been studies done about the topic.

Listen doesn't do any good to gripe about calls. In the moment you have to put it behind you and make a play. It's just part of the game. ***** all you want, the call isn't gonna change.

You can't let those things be an excuse. You have to overcome it.

Every game you have adversity. An untimely penalty, a turnover, an unlucky bounce. When the offense screws up you need the defense to pick them up with a stop. When the D can't get a stop, you need a response. That's what winning football is all about - be complimentary, pick each other up. You ain't gotta be perfect to win games. But you can't ever let the refs get in your head.

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

I try to never ***** about the refs. Even the Dallas game as if you watch the replay of the picked up PI Pettigrew grabbed the Dallas DBs facemask. To me that was a wash. And Stafford had the ball with 2:30 left and TOs so there was still opportunity.

But the end of the Seattle Rams game was a disgrace and everyone is talking about it this morning.

Running into the kicker call was horrible, Geno got away with a intentional grounding, when Ramsey made contact with Geno he was stationary and Genos last steps were inbounds. Of course Geno flopped like he was a soccer player and got the call. Then Metcalf jabbed Ramsey in the face so it should have been offsetting and replayed the down, but it was not unnecessary roughness.

Then Diggs should have been flagged for taunting on the INT. Stupid ruled but the showed it over and over this morning and it gets called all the time.

Those calls impacted another team's playoff hopes. I can see playing over one bad call but all those happened late in the game and all in Seattle's favor. That is probably where the home crowd comes into play and the refs get caught in the the emotions of the stadium.

Another note. Baker Mayfield stinks as a starter, I would take him as a backup for the right price as he can win a game or two if needed, but man did he look small and slow last night.

They were all terrible calls, but it's worth pointing out that the only one that really impacted the final result was the missed taunting penalty. And even there, it gave Seattle 15 yards on a drive where they were moving down the field pretty easily

The thing about bad and missed calls are the unknowns. On the roughing the kicker the Rams might have been able to get some points and ice the game had the refs made correct no call.

 

[TartanLion]

Congrats to the Lions and their fans. Great season. I hope they retain Ben Johnson and most of the offensive line in the offseason. This team isn't far from being a legitimate contender if they can keep those pieces in place.

Decker has a contract through 2025
Ragnow through 2026
Sewell 2 years into rookie contract

So the main meat and potatoes of it is locked up for the next couple of years

 

[BobbyLayne]

Congrats to the Lions and their fans. Great season. I hope they retain Ben Johnson and most of the offensive line in the offseason. This team isn't far from being a legitimate contender if they can keep those pieces in place.

Decker has a contract through 2025
Ragnow through 2026
Sewell 2 years into rookie contract

So the main meat and potatoes of it is locked up for the next couple of years

Jonah signed through 2023.

Big V probably a cap cut, Evan Brown is an UFA. Need to draft at least one IOL.

But overall, both lines in good shape. Let’s keep it that way. Loved the depth on both lines this year.

 

[Chaka]

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

Yup, the goal is to make it so the refs can't hurt you.

I know they don't keep stats for missed calls, so maybe the Lions got jobbed on a few (although I doubt the refs in the Rams/Seahawks game had the Lions on their mind) but the Lions had 90 penalties against this season. That's 19th most in the NFL.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

Yup, the goal is to make it so the refs can't hurt you.

I know they don't keep stats for missed calls, so maybe the Lions got jobbed on a few (although I doubt the refs in the Rams/Seahawks game had the Lions on their mind) but the Lions had 90 penalties against this season. That's 19th most in the NFL.

It’s not worth getting to; the Lions weren’t penalized much this year bc they played disciplined football.

Years past I’d get into this with ya, but life’s short and it’s toxic af.

But in case you’re interested….they love screwing us.

The league apology from New York for getting the call wrong usually arrives on Wednesdays, sometimes Thursday. To date none of those apologies include a reversal.

It doesn’t matter. Nobody cares. You have to overcome the bad calls.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Too bad they called the Jamo TD back, good throw by Goff and then Jamo separated big time.

 

[BobbyLayne]

DJ Chark icing the game for the Detroit Lions... And the Spanish commentator breaks into Baby Shark

*****************

Lions fans in the Lambeau concourse postgame

In the atrium

*****************

MCDC in the locker room

Edit - extended locker room clip (3:30)

 

[daveR]

Well done shutting down the Pack! My team (Browns) could use your DC.

 

[tangfoot]

Too bad they called the Jamo TD back, good throw by Goff and then Jamo separated big time.

It may help keep his dynasty price lower than it should be. I hope my leaguemates weren't watching because that one doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

 

[nightmare]

Ref's missed that blow to the head, but the GB player ejection softens that.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I try to never ***** about the refs. Even the Dallas game as if you watch the replay of the picked up PI Pettigrew grabbed the Dallas DBs facemask. To me that was a wash. And Stafford had the ball with 2:30 left and TOs so there was still opportunity.

Everyone remembers the flag that got picked up. What I remember is Sam Martin hit a 10 yard punt. WTAF man. Talk about a choke job.3rd & 1 at DAL 46

• 3rd & 1 at DAL 46
  (8:25 - 4th) M.Stafford pass incomplete deep left to B.Pettigrew (A.Hitchens).​

• 4th & 1 at DAL 46​

  (8:25 - 4th) (Run formation) PENALTY on DET-M.Stafford, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 46 - No Play.

• 4th & 6 at DET 49​

  (8:18 - 4th) (Punt formation) S.Martin punts 10 yards to DAL 41, Center-D.Muhlbach, out of bounds.

DALLAS: TOUCHDOWN11 PLAYS, 59 YARDS, 5:38
DET20-DAL24

Caldwell also should have gone for it on 4th down after the flag was picked up. Sign of how much has changed in the past eight years that a 2023 coach in that situation almost certainly makes the opposite decision

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

Yup, the goal is to make it so the refs can't hurt you.

I know they don't keep stats for missed calls, so maybe the Lions got jobbed on a few (although I doubt the refs in the Rams/Seahawks game had the Lions on their mind) but the Lions had 90 penalties against this season. That's 19th most in the NFL.

It’s not worth getting to; the Lions weren’t penalized much this year bc they played disciplined football.

Years past I’d get into this with ya, but life’s short and it’s toxic af.

But in case you’re interested….they love screwing us.

The league apology from New York for getting the call wrong usually arrives on Wednesdays, sometimes Thursday. To date none of those apologies include a reversal.

It doesn’t matter. Nobody cares. You have to overcome the bad calls.

I had forgotten about that 2019 GB MNF game. I remember saying afterward that I didn't mind the calls so much as the ref doing a Lambeau Leap immediately after the final whistle

 

[BobbyLayne]

I try to never ***** about the refs. Even the Dallas game as if you watch the replay of the picked up PI Pettigrew grabbed the Dallas DBs facemask. To me that was a wash. And Stafford had the ball with 2:30 left and TOs so there was still opportunity.

Everyone remembers the flag that got picked up. What I remember is Sam Martin hit a 10 yard punt. WTAF man. Talk about a choke job.3rd & 1 at DAL 46

• 3rd & 1 at DAL 46
  (8:25 - 4th) M.Stafford pass incomplete deep left to B.Pettigrew (A.Hitchens).​

• 4th & 1 at DAL 46​

  (8:25 - 4th) (Run formation) PENALTY on DET-M.Stafford, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 46 - No Play.

• 4th & 6 at DET 49​

  (8:18 - 4th) (Punt formation) S.Martin punts 10 yards to DAL 41, Center-D.Muhlbach, out of bounds.

DALLAS: TOUCHDOWN11 PLAYS, 59 YARDS, 5:38
DET20-DAL24

Caldwell also should have gone for it on 4th down after the flag was picked up. Sign of how much has changed in the past eight years that a 2023 coach in that situation almost certainly makes the opposite decision

Jim Caldwell (& a ton of “successful” or well thought of coaches) would have kicked the FG last night, asked their defense for one more hold.

Campbell said the D had played great and he felt like they’d done enough. They believe in Jared and wanted to put the game on him. It’s a yard (maybe 4-5 feet, not sure) - is that too much to ask?

If it’s truly a Top 5 offense, you should be supremely confident there.

It’s not even about the odds of GB going 85-90 yards with no timeouts. Sheet, I’ve seen Stafford do that over and over. We’ve all seen Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Allen, et al, do it repeatedly.

To me it’s about what you’re building. 4th quarter last night, Goff was 8/8. ARod12 was 2/6. Jared won cold weather games in Chicago, New Jersey (2x), Lambeau, and put up 355 & 3 on a frozen field in Charlotte. Sure, you could pull the Goffense off the field kick the chip shot. Or you can tell him - without hesitation - it’s on you man. Go win it for us.

That could pay huge dividends down the road. Stuff that garbage about cold weather, Lions offense doesn’t travel, Goff can’t win the big one. This team can play with anyone, anywhere. We’ll play you anywhere. We’ll play you on grass, we’ll play on turf, we’ll go to a ****ing landfill.

 

[BobbyLayne]

MCDC the day after presser

Funny story about last night. “You know the guys are gonna be riled up, you’re just pouring gasoline on them….meanwhile I’m pulling Goff aside ‘hey make sure you keep these guys calm’”

 

[BobbyLayne]

Texans have requested permission to interview Ben Johnson

 

[The Captain]

Texans have requested permission to interview Ben Johnson

NOPE - Denied

 

[BobbyLayne]

Texans have requested permission to interview Ben Johnson

NOPE

Ben should politely decline and head to Tulum

Who would want to work for that franchise?

Better opps will come his way

 

[Da Guru]

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

Yup, the goal is to make it so the refs can't hurt you.

I know they don't keep stats for missed calls, so maybe the Lions got jobbed on a few (although I doubt the refs in the Rams/Seahawks game had the Lions on their mind) but the Lions had 90 penalties against this season. That's 19th most in the NFL.

I agree 100% the refs were not thinking about Lions-Packers.

Texans have requested permission to interview Ben Johnson

Being a good OC or DC does not make you automatically a good HC as we have seen over and over again. When you become a HC you pretty much give up your best day to day talent as a coach and become a manager of all your staff and players.

NFL is a copycat league. Would not be shocked at all if teams start looking at more DC types.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Texans have requested permission to interview Ben Johnson

NOPE

Ben should politely decline and head to Tulum

Who would want to work for that franchise?

Better opps will come his way

"Hi, each of our last two coaches have been one-and-dones. We'd like to talk to you about your interest in--" [click]

 

[BobbyLayne]

PFF Grades

Top offense​

Even in a game where the Lions won the battle in the trenches, the Lions top five offensive grades were earned by skill position players:

WR Kalif Raymond – 80.4

QB Jared Goff – 79.3

WR Jameson Williams – 78.0

RB Jamaal Williams – 78.0

RB D’Andre Swift – 75.4

Goff’s perfect fourth quarter (he was 8-for-8) and avoidance of any turnover-worthy throws elevated his grade after a subpar first half. Jameson Williams graded out very well despite a dropped pass, indicating that he consistently roasted the defense and got open on his seven pass routes.

Bottom offense​

The blockers didn’t fare so well in the PFF grades.

Bottom 5:

LG Jonah Jackson – 46.6

TE Shane Zylstra – 49.6

RG Evan Brown – 51.4

OT Matt Nelson – 52.5

TE Brock Wright

TE James Mitchell – both earned a 55.3

Rough day for the tight ends, relatively speaking. Mitchell had the only reception by any of the TEs and his grade was hurt by a penalty. Wright earned a fine grade in pass protection but struggled in receiving.

Brown was assessed blame on the one sack of Goff. He and Jackson both earned their worst grades of the season in pass blocking.

Bottom defense​

The low scores here are higher than the typical bottom five, something that has happened two weeks in a row. The higher floor is a welcome sign of progress.

DE Josh Paschal – 43.1

DE James Houston – 46.3

CB Jerry Jacobs – 48.0

DE Romeo Okwara – 53.3

LB Derrick Barnes – 56.7

Houston and Barnes were both hurt by poor coverage grades. Jacobs earned the top tackling grade of any defender but his early pass interference penalty and allowing four completions on eight targets kept him down.

Top defense​

The playmakers prevailed here.

DL John Cominsky – 90.2

LB Alex Anzalone – 79.1

DT Isaiah Buggs – 79.0

S Kerby Joseph – 78.1

DE Aidan Hutchinson – 77.4

Cominsky (4 tackles) created five pressures on Aaron Rodgers but also earned the highest coverage grade of any defender. Anzalone’s (8 tackles) graded was buoyed with five solo tackles and creating pressure with his limited pass rush opportunities. Buggs (7 tackles) earned the highest single-game grade of his career.

 

[The Captain]

Texans have requested permission to interview Ben Johnson

NOPE

Ben should politely decline and head to Tulum

Who would want to work for that franchise?

Better opps will come his way

Right that is the last place he should go. Just hoping for one more year from him. Give him a big raise and ride this train for another season.

 

[Ilov80s]

Ben should politely decline and head to Tulum

Who would want to work for that franchise?

Better opps will come his way

Yeah but if Ben has aspirations of being a HC one day, you have to take interviews. Get practice, get your name out there as a legit candidate, put pressure on other teams to bring you in before Houston can make an offer. I love Ben but he's a first year OC on a 9-7 team, he is no position to be turning down interviews and acting too good for any NFL team.

 

[Da Guru]

Listening to ESPN Radio today and they were saying that no team really wanted to play The Lions right now in the first rd.

Said SF has to be happy to play Seattle over Detroit.

 

[Ilov80s]

Some good FAs likely available at spots the Lions need help:

DT- Daron Payne, Dremont Jones, Zach Allen, CB- Chauncey Gardner Johnson, Jamel Dean, LB- David Long

I don't think big splashy spending is the way to go and I probably prefer to spread the money out for multiple players but there is probably room for 1 or 2 significant FA signing.

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

Yup, the goal is to make it so the refs can't hurt you.

I know they don't keep stats for missed calls, so maybe the Lions got jobbed on a few (although I doubt the refs in the Rams/Seahawks game had the Lions on their mind) but the Lions had 90 penalties against this season. That's 19th most in the NFL.

It’s not worth getting to; the Lions weren’t penalized much this year bc they played disciplined football.

Years past I’d get into this with ya, but life’s short and it’s toxic af.

But in case you’re interested….they love screwing us.

The league apology from New York for getting the call wrong usually arrives on Wednesdays, sometimes Thursday. To date none of those apologies include a reversal.

It doesn’t matter. Nobody cares. You have to overcome the bad calls.

The videos don't even include the Ravens going 2 sec past the play clock before Tucker's record/game winning FG. Anyone who doesn't think the Lions have got repeatedly jobbed by the officials in an unprecedented manner is deluding themselves.

 

[Chaka]

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

Yup, the goal is to make it so the refs can't hurt you.

I know they don't keep stats for missed calls, so maybe the Lions got jobbed on a few (although I doubt the refs in the Rams/Seahawks game had the Lions on their mind) but the Lions had 90 penalties against this season. That's 19th most in the NFL.

It’s not worth getting to; the Lions weren’t penalized much this year bc they played disciplined football.

Years past I’d get into this with ya, but life’s short and it’s toxic af.

But in case you’re interested….they love screwing us.

The league apology from New York for getting the call wrong usually arrives on Wednesdays, sometimes Thursday. To date none of those apologies include a reversal.

It doesn’t matter. Nobody cares. You have to overcome the bad calls.

The videos don't even include the Ravens going 2 sec past the play clock before Tucker's record/game winning FG. Anyone who doesn't think the Lions have got repeatedly jobbed by the officials in an unprecedented manner is deluding themselves.

Come on now. You're remembering bad outcomes preferentially.

The Lions don't register on the League or Referee's retaliation radar.

The Lions bad luck in calls is no worse than any other teams, just go into any team thread and ask about it. The numbers also don't support any type of intent or conspiracy.

The only actual data that suggests a team may be targeted by the referees relates to the Raiders. Look it up.

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

I just accept the fact that we won't get calls, that teams, the league, and the officials won't respect us or give us the benefit of the doubt. You want respect - you have to go out and earn it. Don't hope you get bailed out, go win it.

Yup, the goal is to make it so the refs can't hurt you.

I know they don't keep stats for missed calls, so maybe the Lions got jobbed on a few (although I doubt the refs in the Rams/Seahawks game had the Lions on their mind) but the Lions had 90 penalties against this season. That's 19th most in the NFL.

It’s not worth getting to; the Lions weren’t penalized much this year bc they played disciplined football.

Years past I’d get into this with ya, but life’s short and it’s toxic af.

But in case you’re interested….they love screwing us.

The league apology from New York for getting the call wrong usually arrives on Wednesdays, sometimes Thursday. To date none of those apologies include a reversal.

It doesn’t matter. Nobody cares. You have to overcome the bad calls.

The videos don't even include the Ravens going 2 sec past the play clock before Tucker's record/game winning FG. Anyone who doesn't think the Lions have got repeatedly jobbed by the officials in an unprecedented manner is deluding themselves.

Come on now. You're remembering bad outcomes preferentially.

The Lions don't register on the League or Referee's retaliation radar.

The Lions bad luck in calls is no worse than any other teams, just go into any team thread and ask about it. The numbers also don't support any type of intent or conspiracy.

The only actual data that suggests a team may be targeted by the referees relates to the Raiders. Look it up.

Nope, not at all, just watch the 2nd video, if you want to say the Raiders have it worse, I'll entertain the thought but being penalized a lot doesn't mean unjustly penalized. The Raiders relished the bad boys image. When you say the Lions have had no worse luck than other team, it is completely LAUGHABLE, to quote famous attorney Jackie Chiles "that’s totally inappropriate. It’s lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous!"

 

[Wingnut]

Fun team to watch, next season I see them taking another step.

Congrats on a good season even though it didn't end as well as yall hoped. The future looks bright for Detroit football.

 

[jrt103]

Season prediction based on nothing more than gut feeling.

1 Sun, Sep 11 vs Philadelphia 1:00 PM FOX __________ L
2 Sun, Sep 18 vs Washington 1:00 PM FOX __________ W
3 Sun, Sep 25 at Minnesota 1:00 PM FOX __________ L
4 Sun, Oct 2 vs Seattle 1:00 PM FOX __________ W
5 Sun, Oct 9 at New England 1:00 PM FOX __________ L
6 BYE WEEK
7 Sun, Oct 23 at Dallas 1:00 PM CBS __________ L
8 Sun, Oct 30 vs Miami 1:00 PM CBS __________ L
9 Sun, Nov 6 vs Green Bay 1:00 PM FOX __________ L
10 Sun, Nov 13 at Chicago 1:00 PM FOX __________ W
11 Sun, Nov 20 at NY Giants 1:00 PM FOX __________ L
12 Thu, Nov 24 vs Buffalo 12:30 PM CBS __________ L
13 Sun, Dec 4 vs Jacksonville 1:00 PM FOX __________ W
14 Sun, Dec 11 vs Minnesota 1:00 PM FOX __________ W
15 Sun, Dec 18 at NY Jets 1:00 PM FOX __________ W
16 Sat, Dec 24 at Carolina 1:00 PM FOX __________ W
17 Sun, Jan 1 vs Chicago 1:00 PM FOX __________ W
18 Sun, Jan 8 at Green Bay TBD TBD L

Wheels come off the bus in the first half but strong finish inspires hope for next season.
8-9

quoting myself from September for A+ prediction post

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Disappointing they didn’t get in, but glad to see this team play some meaningful December (and January) football. Team finally seems to be built in the right way too (OL/DL)

My expectation is they win the Division next year and win a playoff game. No reason they can’t.

Will be interesting to see what they get from a full season of Jameson, the speed looks legit, so hopefully they can work him into the game plan. I would definitely try to get some RB depth though, swift can’t stay healthy and Williams is nothing special. Guy had an amazing season and I think he’s a good all around back, but he’s nothing special. I bring him back for the right price but I would be fine if they go another direction too

Defense definitely needs depth in all 3 areas. Kicker is a bit of a concern too

Biggest worry is the injury bug though, never know what can happen there and all those expectations go to hell

 

[fruity pebbles]

Goff looks better than Stafford now. Killer that they got two 1st round picks in addition.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The Indianapolis Colts have requested interviews with both Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.

 

[Da Guru]

Goff looks better than Stafford now. Killer that they got two 1st round picks in addition.

Goff has command of the offense and is playing with confidence and the team likes him. Expect him to be even better next season.

 

[fatness]

Disappointing they didn’t get in, but glad to see this team play some meaningful December (and January) football. Team finally seems to be built in the right way too (OL/DL)

And for non-Lion fans, they've become a great team to watch and root for.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

i’m a raider fan but jamaal williams is the most lovable player in the nfl right now.