2025 Detroit Lions: Game 1 Lions vs Packers. (37 Viewers)

[Leroy Hoard]

Harold Landry III, 28, TEN (1-4)
- Played under Lions DL coach Terrell Williams from 2018-23 on the Titans

This sounds like something Holmes and the staff might be interested in. Not sure what he would cost, but Tennessee is a dumpster fire.

 

[Da Guru]

The gray unis looked like PJ's.

Dirty PJs at that.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Practice Squad

• DT Pat Connor 6’4” 300
• DT Chris Smith 6’1” 316
• DE Isaac Ukwu 6’3” 265

Ukwu is a (25 y.o.) rookie out of Mississippi. I thought he was all over the place yesterday and played well just from the tv broadcast angle. I imagine signing him to the 53-man is bring contemplated.

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DL snap counts week 6 @ DAL

• DE Levi Onwuzurike 50 (72)%)
• DE Josh Paschal 41 (59%)
• DT Alim McNeill 36 (52%)
• DE Issac Ekwu 36 (52%
• DE Aidan Hutchinson 32 (46%)
• DT Mekhi Wingo 26 (38%)
• NT DJ Reader 23 (33%)
• DT Kyle Peko 5 (7%)
• ED James Houston IV (inactive) - healthy scratch

Injured Reserve:

• DL David Bada 6’4” 292
• DE John Cominsky 6”5” 285
• DE Marcus Davenport 6’6” 285
• DT Brodric Martin 6’5” 322
• DE Nate Lynn 6’3” 252

That covers who is in house rn. Charles Harris is with the Panthers, Benito Jones is a Dolphin. DE Romeo Okwara just retired. DT Tyson Alualu is 37 but he looked good last year.

These aren’t solutions, just trying to think who they might bring in as a warm body for the road trip to Minneapolis while they work through replacing both starting Edge rushers.

 

[Moonlight]

Practice Squad

• DT Pat Connor 6’4” 300
• DT Chris Smith 6’1” 316
• DE Isaac Ukwu 6’3” 265

Ukwu is a (25 y.o.) rookie out of Mississippi. I thought he was all over the place yesterday and played well just from the tv broadcast angle. I imagine signing him to the 53-man is bring contemplated.

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DL snap counts week 6 @ DAL

• DE Levi Onwuzurike 50 (72)%)
• DE Josh Paschal 41 (59%)
• DT Alim McNeill 36 (52%)
• DE Issac Ekwu 36 (52%
• DE Aidan Hutchinson 32 (46%)
• DT Mekhi Wingo 26 (38%)
• NT DJ Reader 23 (33%)
• DT Kyle Peko 5 (7%)
• ED James Houston IV (inactive) - healthy scratch

Injured Reserve:

• DL David Bada 6’4” 292
• DE John Cominsky 6”5” 285
• DE Marcus Davenport 6’6” 285
• DT Brodric Martin 6’5” 322
• DE Nate Lynn 6’3” 252

That covers who is in house rn. Charles Harris is with the Panthers, Benito Jones is a Dolphin. DE Romeo Okwara just retired. DT Tyson Alualu is 37 but he looked good last year.

These aren’t solutions, just trying to think who they might bring in as a warm body for the road trip to Minneapolis while they work through replacing both starting Edge rushers.

Who would have thought Levi O would become such an important part of the defense. I had written him off 2 years ago. Lions showed great patience developing him.

 

[Chaka]

Kyle Peko left & did not return with a pectoral. Haven’t heard how serious.

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Two EDGE options that are more likely than Crosby:

Trey Hendrickson, 29, CIN (2-4)
- Played on the Saints while Campbell was assistant head coach & AG was the defensive backs coach from 2017-20

(seems dumb as the Bengals offense is cooking after their perennial slow start, but Mike Brown has no wealth beyond the franchise + does dumb **** all the time; he’d probably love to dump $15M off the payroll a year early)

Harold Landry III, 28, TEN (1-4)
- Played under Lions DL coach Terrell Williams from 2018-23 on the Titans.

Maxx Crosby would be beyond amazing from every perspective. Their owner is similar to Brown, no wealth besides the team. But Maxx is the face of the franchise & seems to love it there. Doubt that one is realistic.

The Raiders would be foolish to trade Maxx. Then again Hendon Hooker & a first would lessen the sting and I can't imagine any Raiders fan would not love to see Maxx get a ring. The guy deserves so much better than the Raiders are putting on the field ATM.

 

[Moonlight]

On another note. The uniform combo yesterday looked great.

The blue and silver with all white and the blue Detroit across the front is a winner. Best unifo rm move Lions ever made was ditching the dirty all grays.

The grey uniforms were the suck. I even wrote Sheila asking her to dump them.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Kyle Peko left & did not return with a pectoral. Haven’t heard how serious.

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Two EDGE options that are more likely than Crosby:

Trey Hendrickson, 29, CIN (2-4)
- Played on the Saints while Campbell was assistant head coach & AG was the defensive backs coach from 2017-20

(seems dumb as the Bengals offense is cooking after their perennial slow start, but Mike Brown has no wealth beyond the franchise + does dumb **** all the time; he’d probably love to dump $15M off the payroll a year early)

Harold Landry III, 28, TEN (1-4)
- Played under Lions DL coach Terrell Williams from 2018-23 on the Titans.

Maxx Crosby would be beyond amazing from every perspective. Their owner is similar to Brown, no wealth besides the team. But Maxx is the face of the franchise & seems to love it there. Doubt that one is realistic.

The Raiders would be foolish to trade Maxx. Then again Hendon Hooker & a first would lessen the sting and I can't imagine any Raiders fan would not love to see Maxx get a ring. The guy deserves so much better than the Raiders are putting on the field ATM.

I’ve watched a lot of Maxx interviews the last few years, he loves being a Raider. I just can’t see it being a realistic option for Detroit.

They might scour practice squads and/or trade for a veteran playing on a bad team. But if we go by Holmes’ history, it likely won’t be a mortgage the future go for broke big swing.

That’s what we all want as fans. But it’s not our money nor is our job on the line. I trust him, Dan, Ray and Sheila to make the right call. They’ve shown a lot of wisdom so far over the last 4 years. They’ll do something, and for now I am just going to give them the benefit of the doubt it was the best option.

 

[Football Jones]

What the hell was that, Dan? LOL. Never seen anything like it. All you could do as a Cowboys fan was laugh. I'll give Gamble one thing...he's a stubborn sun of a gun. I've mentioned my hesitation in the past about the notion that DC is a top head coach and that was exactly the kind of thing that's become his weakness (emotions). He's reckless. End of story.

Can Gamble get better? Those types usually don't (can't) change, but I'm curious where this goes. The Lions have enough to overcome in their Super Bowl window with Goff's lack of athleticism without being hampered by Gamble's poor decisions. BTW, one of those poor decisions (the 2-point try in the Dallas game last year) was certainly one of the reasons he decided to rub it in due to him taking a lot of heat for it.

The Lions are a legit contender, but they have a ticking time bomb at HC. A lot of HCs are Xs & Os guys, but Gamble is all about the "kneecap" aspect of the NFL. He's a fantastic motivator and the players love him, but that kind of thing only takes you so far. Can Gamble overcome his weakness(es)? The pendulum could swing either way.

BTW, I hate to see Hutchinson get hurt. Great player and seems like a good dude. Unfortunately, it's the reality of the sport.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Looks like we got a butt hurt cowboy fan here. I will now play you the world's smallest

 

[BobbyLayne]

Looks like we got a butt hurt cowboy fan here. I will now play you the world's smallest

Dan Campbell has probably the highest EQ of anyone I have ever observed. Such a great motivator, he understands when to push or when to pull back. Probably has a very good understanding of his own feelings, dude is very self aware.

Meanwhile this troll comes along slinging pejorative nicknames & implying he’s a knuckle dragger HC. Y’all respond if you like but personally I’m just going to put him (back) on ignore. I remember him trying to bait people last year. Dump Goff, Hooker is your only chance at a ring. As if a Cowboys fan knows what it takes to win a Super Bowl in todays NFL.

 

[Football Jones]

Looks like we got a butt hurt cowboy fan here. I will now play you the world's smallest

Riiiiiight.

The Lions have grabbed a lot of attention lately because they're an up and coming team. I was on board early with their potential, but I've long mentioned my hesitation about Gamble as well as my concerns about Goff in today's NFL.

Good luck this season.

 

[Football Jones]

Looks like we got a butt hurt cowboy fan here. I will now play you the world's smallest

Dan Campbell has probably the highest EQ of anyone I have ever observed. Such a great motivator, he understands when to push or when to pull back. Probably has a very good understanding of his own feelings, dude is very self aware.

Meanwhile this troll comes along slinging pejorative nicknames & implying he’s a knuckle dragger HC. Y’all respond if you like but personally I’m just going to put him on ignore. I remember him trying to bait people last year. Dump Goff, Hooker is your only chance at a ring. As if a Cowboys fan knows what it takes to win a Super Bowl in todays NFL.

I'm the exact opposite of a troll. There are people who simply don't like my opinions (like yourself).

It's all good, my friend. BTW, don't get butthurt over DC's nickname...it's all in good fun.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Cowboys are such a dumpster fire right now. Just rolled over and quit.

 

[Football Jones]

It'll be interesting to see what you guys do to replace Hutchinson.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The only QBs in NFL history to produce a QB rating of 150.0+ in consecutive games (15 attempt minimum):

1. Jared Goff (2024)
2. Drew Brees (2018)

 

[Payne]

Kyle Peko left & did not return with a pectoral. Haven’t heard how serious.

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Two EDGE options that are more likely than Crosby:

Trey Hendrickson, 29, CIN (2-4)
- Played on the Saints while Campbell was assistant head coach & AG was the defensive backs coach from 2017-20

(seems dumb as the Bengals offense is cooking after their perennial slow start, but Mike Brown has no wealth beyond the franchise + does dumb **** all the time; he’d probably love to dump $15M off the payroll a year early)

Harold Landry III, 28, TEN (1-4)
- Played under Lions DL coach Terrell Williams from 2018-23 on the Titans.

Maxx Crosby would be beyond amazing from every perspective. Their owner is similar to Brown, no wealth besides the team. But Maxx is the face of the franchise & seems to love it there. Doubt that one is realistic.

The Raiders would be foolish to trade Maxx. Then again Hendon Hooker & a first would lessen the sting and I can't imagine any Raiders fan would not love to see Maxx get a ring. The guy deserves so much better than the Raiders are putting on the field ATM.

I’ve watched a lot of Maxx interviews the last few years, he loves being a Raider. I just can’t see it being a realistic option for Detroit.

They might scour practice squads and/or trade for a veteran playing on a bad team. But if we go by Holmes’ history, it likely won’t be a mortgage the future go for broke big swing.

That’s what we all want as fans. But it’s not our money nor is our job on the line. I trust him, Dan, Ray and Sheila to make the right call. They’ve shown a lot of wisdom so far over the last 4 years. They’ll do something, and for now I am just going to give them the benefit of the doubt it was the best option.

If we don't then we are no different than any other Lion regime. (Edit: ok, this was an overreaction. But you know what I mean.)

The Rams went all out and won. That's what you need to do these days to win a Super Bowl.

This shouldn't be the mentality Holmes has.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Kyle Peko left & did not return with a pectoral. Haven’t heard how serious.

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Two EDGE options that are more likely than Crosby:

Trey Hendrickson, 29, CIN (2-4)
- Played on the Saints while Campbell was assistant head coach & AG was the defensive backs coach from 2017-20

(seems dumb as the Bengals offense is cooking after their perennial slow start, but Mike Brown has no wealth beyond the franchise + does dumb **** all the time; he’d probably love to dump $15M off the payroll a year early)

Harold Landry III, 28, TEN (1-4)
- Played under Lions DL coach Terrell Williams from 2018-23 on the Titans.

Maxx Crosby would be beyond amazing from every perspective. Their owner is similar to Brown, no wealth besides the team. But Maxx is the face of the franchise & seems to love it there. Doubt that one is realistic.

The Raiders would be foolish to trade Maxx. Then again Hendon Hooker & a first would lessen the sting and I can't imagine any Raiders fan would not love to see Maxx get a ring. The guy deserves so much better than the Raiders are putting on the field ATM.

I’ve watched a lot of Maxx interviews the last few years, he loves being a Raider. I just can’t see it being a realistic option for Detroit.

They might scour practice squads and/or trade for a veteran playing on a bad team. But if we go by Holmes’ history, it likely won’t be a mortgage the future go for broke big swing.

That’s what we all want as fans. But it’s not our money nor is our job on the line. I trust him, Dan, Ray and Sheila to make the right call. They’ve shown a lot of wisdom so far over the last 4 years. They’ll do something, and for now I am just going to give them the benefit of the doubt it was the best option.

If we don't then we are no different than any other Lion regime. (Edit: ok, this was an overreaction. But you know what I mean.)

The Rams went all out and won. That's what you need to do these days to win a Super Bowl.

This shouldn't be the mentality Holmes has.

Agreed. But just trying to level set expectations. The Rams model is not the only option available.

 

[General Malaise]

Really bummed about Hutchinson. He's one my favorite players in the NFL and my twin sons idolize him, have his jersey, photos on the wall. We live over 2,000 miles away from Detroit! Hutch is everything that is right about the game of football. The way he plays, how he acts towards fans....gives me a JJ Watt vibe. Hope he heals up and is terrorizing QBs again next season.

 

[Chaka]

Kyle Peko left & did not return with a pectoral. Haven’t heard how serious.

---

Two EDGE options that are more likely than Crosby:

Trey Hendrickson, 29, CIN (2-4)
- Played on the Saints while Campbell was assistant head coach & AG was the defensive backs coach from 2017-20

(seems dumb as the Bengals offense is cooking after their perennial slow start, but Mike Brown has no wealth beyond the franchise + does dumb **** all the time; he’d probably love to dump $15M off the payroll a year early)

Harold Landry III, 28, TEN (1-4)
- Played under Lions DL coach Terrell Williams from 2018-23 on the Titans.

Maxx Crosby would be beyond amazing from every perspective. Their owner is similar to Brown, no wealth besides the team. But Maxx is the face of the franchise & seems to love it there. Doubt that one is realistic.

The Raiders would be foolish to trade Maxx. Then again Hendon Hooker & a first would lessen the sting and I can't imagine any Raiders fan would not love to see Maxx get a ring. The guy deserves so much better than the Raiders are putting on the field ATM.

I’ve watched a lot of Maxx interviews the last few years, he loves being a Raider. I just can’t see it being a realistic option for Detroit.

They might scour practice squads and/or trade for a veteran playing on a bad team. But if we go by Holmes’ history, it likely won’t be a mortgage the future go for broke big swing.

That’s what we all want as fans. But it’s not our money nor is our job on the line. I trust him, Dan, Ray and Sheila to make the right call. They’ve shown a lot of wisdom so far over the last 4 years. They’ll do something, and for now I am just going to give them the benefit of the doubt it was the best option.

Okay but can we just have Hooker, then?

Pretty, please????

 

[BobbyLayne]

Really bummed about Hutchinson. He's one my favorite players in the NFL and my twin sons idolize him, have his jersey, photos on the wall. We live over 2,000 miles away from Detroit! Hutch is everything that is right about the game of football. The way he plays, how he acts towards fans....gives me a JJ Watt vibe. Hope he heals up and is terrorizing QBs again next season.

Initial reports are good but that's who knows.

Agree with your assessment, good kid from a good family, genuinely likeable athlete. Not the loudest voice in the locker room but they have other guys for that. Works his tail off and leads by examples.

Dan Campbell has a thing about "don't disrespect your team, your opponents, or the game." Hutch goes about his business in a way that embodies that.

Big loss but they'll figure it out. We can find Super Bowl champs from every era which overcame the adversity of losing a Pro Bowl player to injury.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dan Campbell Monday Presser

• Hutch's surgery went great
• it's 4-6 months, but I would never count Hutch out
• hopeful about moving forward because AG will adapt, he'll move guys around, I have faith in the DL, we got options, we'll be fine
• yesterday was the most detailed game they have had because every phase played well, got explosives, OL was great, defense was impressive
• Branch, Mac, and Hutch got the defensive game balls, Goff on offense, Bates on ST, he's become very reliable
• McNeill was locked in, he was a huge factor, and we'll need him at that level going forward
• Hutchinson is rare; if he believes in it, he'll find a way to get there....that carrot of having a chance to get back and help out is huge
• not sure they have ever filmed it but the first thing the team does after a game is they kneel down and have team prayer time. MCDC said as soon as prayer ended, he talked to the team about losing Hutch (was not in the postgame video.) "Everybody feels for Hutch. But put yourself in his shoes. That's the hard part of the game. But we are a team. It takes all of us. The53-man, the practice squad, it's next man up and you gotta hold the line."
• with respect to acquiring another Edge, Brad is always looking for someone out there who can help us. What will it cost? Is everything about the move right? It has to be a fit. Just because you might not see a reaction, doesn't mean we're not out there looking. But I have faith in the team we got. We're not panicked.
• Ukwu will get better every week. We'll have AG make changes to the scheme.
• If we get somebody, great. If we don't, then we'll coach the guys we have. They're here for a reason.
• Loved getting the game ball back from Goff, but listen, I'm not the only guy from Texas. AG is a Texan, so is Brock Wright. But I love our guys. That's our crew.
• best game of the year for Terrion Arnold, we saw a lot of improvment. No penalties, but more importantly, his coverage was sticky.

 

[Da Guru]

Looks like we got a butt hurt cowboy fan here. I will now play you the world's smallest

Riiiiiight.

The Lions have grabbed a lot of attention lately because they're an up and coming team. I was on board early with their potential, but I've long mentioned my hesitation about Gamble as well as my concerns about Goff in today's NFL.

Good luck this season.

After watching the mobile Hooker in the 4th quarter I hope Goff does not get hurt.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Looking forward and not in the rear view mirror:

Detroit @ Minnesota
5-0 Vikings at home vs the 4-1 Lions
Game line Minnesota -2
Total 49.5

Current Superbowl odds:

KC +500 (5-1)
SF +700
BAL +700
DET +850
MIN +1200
HOU +1200
BUF +1200
PHI +1600
GB +1800
ATL +2500
Everyone else is +3000 or more

 

[BobbyLayne]

PFF Final Grades Week 6 at Dallas

Offense

• 90.9 Kalif Raymond
• 90.3 David Montgomery
• 87.1 Penei Sewell
• 81.1 Tim Patrick
• 77.7 Kevin Zeitler
• 74.3 Jameson Williams
• 72.3 Jared Goff
  NOTE: Goff had 1 "Big Time Throw", Dak had 2 BTTs lol
• 71.6 Craig Reynolds
• 64.0 Frank Ragnow
• 63.1 Amon-Ra St Brown
• 63.0 Taylor Decker
• 62.7 Jahmyr Gibbs
  NOTE: had a higher YPC, YPR, and twice as many FDs (6-3) as Rico Dowdle, whom they graded 69.6 | 10-55 > 15-91?
• 60.3 Hendon Hooker
• 58.9 Sam LaPorta
• 58.4 Sione Vaki
• 57.9 Graham Glasgow
• 56.9 Allen Robinson II
• 55.6 Michael Niese
• 55.1 Parker Hesse
• 51.7 Dan Skipper
• 50.7 Brock Wright
• 38.6 Kayode Awosika

Defense

• 95.1 Aidan Hutchinson
• 93.3 Brian Branch
• 89.1 Jalen Reeves-Maybin
• 88.4 Carlton Davis III
• 87.5 Kerby Joseph
• 83.5 Alim McNeill
• 79.2 Jack Campbell
• 79.2 DJ Reader
• 78.3 Kyle Peko
• 76.8 Malcolm Rodriguez
• 67.5 Ennis Rakestraw Jr
• 66.5 Brandon Joseph
• 63.8 Trevor Nowaske
• 63.5 Issac Ukwu
• 63.3 Levi Onwuzurike
• 61.0 Mekhi Wingo
• 59.8 Josh Pascal
• 58.7 Alex Anzalone
• 57.7 Khalil Dorsey
• 52.0 Terrion Arnold
• 51.1 Amik Robertson
• 47.7 Kindle Vildor

 

[BobbyLayne]

Justin Rogers reporting CD3 cleared protocol in the blue tent after getting kicked in the head. They chose not to send him out because they wanted to evaluate Ennis Rakestraw. The Lions 2nd round pick played a season high 17 snaps and held his own.

The Lions forced turnovers on the Cowboys last 4 possessions, the last two with predominantly reserve defenders on the field.

 

[jrt103]

Jags made the first trade of the season, maybe they go into fire sale mode and offer Travon Walker?

 

[Football Jones]

Would you guys do Crosby for Hooker?

The Raiders might jump on that...

 

[Da Guru]

Would you guys do Crosby for Hooker?

The Raiders might jump on that...

In a second. Raiders would not make that trade. Maybe they would do Hooker and a #1.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Would you guys do Crosby for Hooker?

The Raiders might jump on that...

In a second. Raiders would not make that trade. Maybe they would do Hooker and a #1.

I would think Crosby would take 2 FRPs.

 

[Da Guru]

Would you guys do Crosby for Hooker?

The Raiders might jump on that...

In a second. Raiders would not make that trade. Maybe they would do Hooker and a #1.

I would think Crosby would take 2 FRPs.

Most likely.

 

[fatness]

@BobbyLayne posted a lot of information about Hutchinson's injury and surgery. To add to it, this is the Lions' statement: https://x.com/Lions/status/1845830768003625292

Fractured tibia and fibula
Successful surgery
No timeline for recovery and returning to play

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jags made the first trade of the season, maybe they go into fire sale mode and offer Travon Walker?

A young man barely 24
making hits & sacks - leg whipped to IR
the team never won, finally beat the 'boys
traded for traits, Ninety-Seven evaporates

Isn't it ironic...don't you think?

It's like.... ??



a bit too groggy to finish the chorus this morning



but boy would that be ironic, eh - replace T-'Rex for Mr 35" Arms

a little too ironic...yeah I really do think

 

[BobbyLayne]

All 22 Films

Ben Johnson & Detroit a statement in Dallas - Lions Offense Review

 

[King of the Jungle]

Would you guys do Crosby for Hooker?

The Raiders might jump on that...

Sign me up, however Hooker is merely an appetizer in that trade scenario. Doesn’t hurt to offer in case they accidentally hit accept vs decline however.

 

[jon_mx]

It sounds like Hutch avoided all of the worst case scenarios. The team is projecting a 4 to 6 month recovery which is about the best case imaginable. It could have easily been a 12-18 month or even career-ending. Single fracture to both bones. Hardware inserted and should come back stronger than ever. Really awesome outcome considering how bad it appeared.

 

[Payne]

Vegas traded Adams.

Time to make an offer for Crosby.

 

[Football Jones]

The Raiders could certainly use Hooker, but I seriously doubt Crosby is going anywhere. In the trade scenario I mentioned earlier, Hooker would only be part of the deal.

Crosby would simply cost too much and they're unlikely to move him, anyway. Not sure who it was, but it was reported a team offered a 1st for Crosby and the Raiders weren't the least bit interested. Besides, no way I'd move Hooker if I were Detroit. They need to get something done with another asset(s).

 

[Football Jones]

Would you guys do Crosby for Hooker?

The Raiders might jump on that...

In a second. Raiders would not make that trade. Maybe they would do Hooker and a #1.

That would be an interesting deal.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The Raiders could certainly use Hooker, but I seriously doubt Crosby is going anywhere. In the trade scenario I mentioned earlier, Hooker would only be part of the deal.

Crosby would simply cost too much and they're unlikely to move him, anyway. Not sure who it was, but it was reported a team offered a 1st for Crosby and the Raiders weren't the least bit interested. Besides, no way I'd move Hooker if I were Detroit. They need to get something done with another asset(s).

Crosby would be a FA at the end of 2026, not sure how that works with the Lions cap and upcoming contracts they need to hand out. I am guessing Crosby would want a new deal extension in 25 if he performed well. With the Hutch deal coming up it may not be in the cards.

 

[Payne]

The Raiders could certainly use Hooker, but I seriously doubt Crosby is going anywhere. In the trade scenario I mentioned earlier, Hooker would only be part of the deal.

Crosby would simply cost too much and they're unlikely to move him, anyway. Not sure who it was, but it was reported a team offered a 1st for Crosby and the Raiders weren't the least bit interested. Besides, no way I'd move Hooker if I were Detroit. They need to get something done with another asset(s).

Crosby would be a FA at the end of 2026, not sure how that works with the Lions cap and upcoming contracts they need to hand out. I am guessing Crosby would want a new deal extension in 25 if he performed well. With the Hutch deal coming up it may not be in the cards.

You worry about that when the time comes. Things change. Cap goes up. Players get hurt. Restructuring. The good teams make it happen.
The cap isn't real. It can be massaged.

You do what you need to now to win. I don't care about 2025 or beyond right now. That's my opinion.

 

[JohnnyU]

Vegas traded Adams.

Time to make an offer for Crosby.

Why would the Raiders do something that stupid?

 

[Football Jones]

The Raiders could certainly use Hooker, but I seriously doubt Crosby is going anywhere. In the trade scenario I mentioned earlier, Hooker would only be part of the deal.

Crosby would simply cost too much and they're unlikely to move him, anyway. Not sure who it was, but it was reported a team offered a 1st for Crosby and the Raiders weren't the least bit interested. Besides, no way I'd move Hooker if I were Detroit. They need to get something done with another asset(s).

Crosby would be a FA at the end of 2026, not sure how that works with the Lions cap and upcoming contracts they need to hand out. I am guessing Crosby would want a new deal extension in 25 if he performed well. With the Hutch deal coming up it may not be in the cards.

I'm not too familiar with their cap situation, but you're right...the cap is a thing despite people saying it can always be worked around.

The Lions have a lot of guys to pay like all top teams. They'll be extremely fortunate if they can sign their own talent, much less outside talent, especially with Goff's contract. Big-time FA signings or taking on big contracts in trade really isn't feasible unless big sacrifices are made elsewhere.

KC moved Tyreek because of the cap and it's worked out, but they've got Mahomes. It'll be interesting to see how Detroit manages things while they're in a Super Bowl window for the first time.

 

[Football Jones]

Vegas traded Adams.

Time to make an offer for Crosby.

Why would the Raiders do something that stupid?

Yeah, I can't see them moving Crosby. He's only 27.

 

[JohnnyU]

Losing their best defensive player is definitely going to hurt. I'm pulling for the Lions to be a Super Bowl team.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The Raiders could certainly use Hooker, but I seriously doubt Crosby is going anywhere. In the trade scenario I mentioned earlier, Hooker would only be part of the deal.

Crosby would simply cost too much and they're unlikely to move him, anyway. Not sure who it was, but it was reported a team offered a 1st for Crosby and the Raiders weren't the least bit interested. Besides, no way I'd move Hooker if I were Detroit. They need to get something done with another asset(s).

Crosby would be a FA at the end of 2026, not sure how that works with the Lions cap and upcoming contracts they need to hand out. I am guessing Crosby would want a new deal extension in 25 if he performed well. With the Hutch deal coming up it may not be in the cards.

You worry about that when the time comes. Things change. Cap goes up. Players get hurt. Restructuring. The good teams make it happen.
The cap isn't real. It can be massaged.

You do what you need to now to win. I don't care about 2025 or beyond right now. That's my opinion.

To extent I fee the same way, the window is now. However, this team is in a very unique situation where they have drafted extremely well the last few years and Holmes seems to error on the side of caution with the cap. If he believes they can swing it and Crosby has the right mentality (needs to be the right fit upstairs to be a Lion), then he may throw some offers out.

 

[JohnnyU]

The Raiders could certainly use Hooker, but I seriously doubt Crosby is going anywhere. In the trade scenario I mentioned earlier, Hooker would only be part of the deal.

Crosby would simply cost too much and they're unlikely to move him, anyway. Not sure who it was, but it was reported a team offered a 1st for Crosby and the Raiders weren't the least bit interested. Besides, no way I'd move Hooker if I were Detroit. They need to get something done with another asset(s).

Crosby would be a FA at the end of 2026, not sure how that works with the Lions cap and upcoming contracts they need to hand out. I am guessing Crosby would want a new deal extension in 25 if he performed well. With the Hutch deal coming up it may not be in the cards.

You worry about that when the time comes. Things change. Cap goes up. Players get hurt. Restructuring. The good teams make it happen.
The cap isn't real. It can be massaged.

You do what you need to now to win. I don't care about 2025 or beyond right now. That's my opinion.

To extent I fee the same way, the window is now. However, this team is in a very unique situation where they have drafted extremely well the last few years and Holmes seems to error on the side of caution with the cap. If he believes they can swing it and Crosby has the right mentality (needs to be the right fit upstairs to be a Lion), then he may throw some offers out.

Get Crosby out of your mind. It isn't happening. I'd bet your life on it.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The Raiders could certainly use Hooker, but I seriously doubt Crosby is going anywhere. In the trade scenario I mentioned earlier, Hooker would only be part of the deal.

Crosby would simply cost too much and they're unlikely to move him, anyway. Not sure who it was, but it was reported a team offered a 1st for Crosby and the Raiders weren't the least bit interested. Besides, no way I'd move Hooker if I were Detroit. They need to get something done with another asset(s).

Crosby would be a FA at the end of 2026, not sure how that works with the Lions cap and upcoming contracts they need to hand out. I am guessing Crosby would want a new deal extension in 25 if he performed well. With the Hutch deal coming up it may not be in the cards.

You worry about that when the time comes. Things change. Cap goes up. Players get hurt. Restructuring. The good teams make it happen.
The cap isn't real. It can be massaged.

You do what you need to now to win. I don't care about 2025 or beyond right now. That's my opinion.

To extent I fee the same way, the window is now. However, this team is in a very unique situation where they have drafted extremely well the last few years and Holmes seems to error on the side of caution with the cap. If he believes they can swing it and Crosby has the right mentality (needs to be the right fit upstairs to be a Lion), then he may throw some offers out.

Get Crosby out of your mind. It isn't happening. I'd bet your life on it.

I am sure you would. I do not think it is a strong possibility that they would trade Crosby, however the Raiders are going nowhere. If the right deal came along I think it is possible, everyone has a price. I prefer that the Detroit stays put versus giving up too much and my guess is Holmes would not give up the farm.

 

[Payne]

Yesterday there was talk of Myles Garrett coming here. I felt that had less of a chance than Crosby quite honestly.
But the Browns just traded Cooper. Perhaps that is a real option.

 

[Payne]

Vegas traded Adams.

Time to make an offer for Crosby.

Why would the Raiders do something that stupid?

Depending on the return, it could be stupid not to.

Crosby is from here. He played at Eastern Michigan. The football field is named after him.
He has stated, if not Vegas, he would like to play for the Lions.

I don't think it's as farfetched as you make it seem to be.

 

[Payne]

The Raiders could certainly use Hooker, but I seriously doubt Crosby is going anywhere. In the trade scenario I mentioned earlier, Hooker would only be part of the deal.

Crosby would simply cost too much and they're unlikely to move him, anyway. Not sure who it was, but it was reported a team offered a 1st for Crosby and the Raiders weren't the least bit interested. Besides, no way I'd move Hooker if I were Detroit. They need to get something done with another asset(s).

Crosby would be a FA at the end of 2026, not sure how that works with the Lions cap and upcoming contracts they need to hand out. I am guessing Crosby would want a new deal extension in 25 if he performed well. With the Hutch deal coming up it may not be in the cards.

You worry about that when the time comes. Things change. Cap goes up. Players get hurt. Restructuring. The good teams make it happen.
The cap isn't real. It can be massaged.

You do what you need to now to win. I don't care about 2025 or beyond right now. That's my opinion.

To extent I fee the same way, the window is now. However, this team is in a very unique situation where they have drafted extremely well the last few years and Holmes seems to error on the side of caution with the cap. If he believes they can swing it and Crosby has the right mentality (needs to be the right fit upstairs to be a Lion), then he may throw some offers out.

Get Crosby out of your mind. It isn't happening. I'd bet your life on it.

I am sure you would. I do not think it is a strong possibility that they would trade Crosby, however the Raiders are going nowhere. If the right deal came along I think it is possible, everyone has a price. I prefer that the Detroit stays put versus giving up too much and my guess is Holmes would not give up the farm.

Unfortunately, I agree. I just don't agree with that move. Super Bowl windows are small. Need to jump on it when you can.