Still much better than the Raiders over that time period. Kahlil Mack and Amari Cooper are the only guys the Raiders hit on and Gruden traded them away. I guess a case can be made for Jacobs but an argument can be made that there was not optimal value drafting a RB in the 1st round at that time.
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kaso
Footballguy
Not making excuses for Telesco... But... how much were the picks influenced by ownership and/or the scouting department. He absolutely played a role in each, but sole ownership of each failure or success of a pick is short sighted. Hell, the pick could have been the absolute right one in the moment with the information available about the player, and/or the group of players still available at the time, but the career could have turned into a failure because the coaches couldn't build the prospect into a pro... or the player himself had a change of commitment in what it meant to play at the NFL level.
What I do know is that the Raiders had an individual to the front office that has 11 years of experience. And one that I feel fairly confident in that he would have landed another GM level job elsewhere in the NFL. Of the GMs the Raiders recent past, neither point would be true; Ziegler, Reggie McKenzie, Hue Jackson...
What I do know is that the Raiders had an individual to the front office that has 11 years of experience. And one that I feel fairly confident in that he would have landed another GM level job elsewhere in the NFL. Of the GMs the Raiders recent past, neither point would be true; Ziegler, Reggie McKenzie, Hue Jackson...
Tau837
Footballguy
Here is a PFF article from last offseason that evaluates team drafting success from 2011-2022 and 2017-2022. Telesco wasn't with the Chargers in 2011-2012 but was GM for the rest. The article shows:
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- Chargers draft success in the first round ranked #16 from 2011-2022 and #11 from 2017-2022; greater weighting on Herbert presumably helps to boost the 2017-2022 period
- Chargers draft success in rounds 2-3 ranked #31 from 2011-2022 and #25 from 2017-2022
- Chargers draft success in rounds 4-7 ranked #21 from 2011-2022 and #20 from 2017-2022
- This shows below average drafting, other than Herbert
- This contributed to a problem familiar to all Chargers fans over Telesco's tenure -- good top-level talent, weak depth
- This shows some evidence that the drafting was better towards the end of Telesco's tenure than in the first 5 seasons... but this doesn't account for the Chargers 2023 draft which looks pretty weak at this point
- In the 2017-2022 period, the Chargers drafting ranked higher than the Raiders drafting in all of the breakdowns, so even if Telesco just performs consistent with the Chargers drafting in that period, it would seem to be an impactful upgrade for the Raiders
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
There were some more hits than Mack and Cooper since 2013. Miller and Crosby are two of the most notable. But we have had simply way too many misses. That seems to have changed over the last couple of years though... which is why I am happy that it seems Champ Kelly and the rest of the personnel staff are intact. No GM can do this effectively alone. It has to be a team coming together of scouts and coaches that all work well together with the GM.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
One question.... how much change could there be in the Dolts rankings if they avoided the injury bug? I would say a great bit amount. And if that is true, then the next question is that is that bad luck or bad drafting. I can only think of one player (though I could be wrong) that had a history of injuries where you could say that was on Telesco. The rest, as best as I can recall, did not have any reason to expect a higher level of injury risk than any other player chosen.Here is a PFF article from last offseason that evaluates team drafting success from 2011-2022 and 2017-2022. Telesco wasn't with the Chargers in 2011-2012 but was GM for the rest. The article shows:
Observations:
- Chargers draft success in the first round ranked #16 from 2011-2022 and #11 from 2017-2022; greater weighting on Herbert presumably helps to boost the 2017-2022 period
- Chargers draft success in rounds 2-3 ranked #31 from 2011-2022 and #25 from 2017-2022
- Chargers draft success in rounds 4-7 ranked #21 from 2011-2022 and #20 from 2017-2022
Good luck. Though we are rivals, I'd prefer to see the Chargers and Raiders battling for the division title every year, with the Chiefs and Broncos trailing. Also, while I'm glad Telesco is gone and expect the new GM to be an upgrade, Telesco seems like a good man, and I wish him success in the future (as long as it is at least slightly less success than the Chargers
- This shows below average drafting, other than Herbert
- This contributed to a problem familiar to all Chargers plans over Telesco's tenure -- good top-level talent, weak depth
- This shows some evidence that the drafting was better towards the end of Telesco's tenure than in the first 5 seasons... but this doesn't account for the Chargers 2023 draft which looks pretty weak at this point
- In the 2017-2022 period, the Chargers drafting ranked higher than the Raiders drafting in all of the breakdowns, so even if Telesco just performs consistent with the Chargers drafting in that period, it would seem to be an impactful upgrade for the Raiders
Tau837
Footballguy
One question.... how much change could there be in the Dolts rankings if they avoided the injury bug? I would say a great bit amount. And if that is true, then the next question is that is that bad luck or bad drafting. I can only think of one player (though I could be wrong) that had a history of injuries where you could say that was on Telesco. The rest, as best as I can recall, did not have any reason to expect a higher level of injury risk than any other player chosen.Here is a PFF article from last offseason that evaluates team drafting success from 2011-2022 and 2017-2022. Telesco wasn't with the Chargers in 2011-2012 but was GM for the rest. The article shows:
Observations:
- Chargers draft success in the first round ranked #16 from 2011-2022 and #11 from 2017-2022; greater weighting on Herbert presumably helps to boost the 2017-2022 period
- Chargers draft success in rounds 2-3 ranked #31 from 2011-2022 and #25 from 2017-2022
- Chargers draft success in rounds 4-7 ranked #21 from 2011-2022 and #20 from 2017-2022
Good luck. Though we are rivals, I'd prefer to see the Chargers and Raiders battling for the division title every year, with the Chiefs and Broncos trailing. Also, while I'm glad Telesco is gone and expect the new GM to be an upgrade, Telesco seems like a good man, and I wish him success in the future (as long as it is at least slightly less success than the Chargers
- This shows below average drafting, other than Herbert
- This contributed to a problem familiar to all Chargers plans over Telesco's tenure -- good top-level talent, weak depth
- This shows some evidence that the drafting was better towards the end of Telesco's tenure than in the first 5 seasons... but this doesn't account for the Chargers 2023 draft which looks pretty weak at this point
- In the 2017-2022 period, the Chargers drafting ranked higher than the Raiders drafting in all of the breakdowns, so even if Telesco just performs consistent with the Chargers drafting in that period, it would seem to be an impactful upgrade for the Raiders
Over the 11 year sample size of Telesco's tenure, my guess is that the Chargers injury rate has been about average. There have certainly been stretches where the injuries were very impactful, whether because of the number of injuries or the concentration in specific position groups or both. But I don't have a sense that the injuries have been higher than normal often enough to be a meaningful excuse for lack of performance.
I'm not sure of a source that shows team by team, season by season comparisons for injuries. I Googled and didn't find much in a quick search beyond a 33rd Team article that showed graphics for 2017, 2018, and 2021, and the Chargers were at median or below in adjusted games lost in those seasons. But, of course, it isn't just how many games lost, but who lost them.
For example, guys like WR Allen, WR Williams, Edge Bosa, S James, LT Slater, C Linsley have all missed a non-trivial number of games due to injury, but all teams lose significant players to injury at times during a long stretch like 11 seasons. But some teams have lost starting QBs for long stretches. In Telesco's tenure before he was fired, the Chargers' starting QB only missed 1 game due to injury, and it was the last game before he was fired, which Herbert missed.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
My impression is that they have had a lot of their key players missing significant time over the last few years. I don't follow them that closely but I do seem to remember not being sad that some key players were not available to play over the last few years.One question.... how much change could there be in the Dolts rankings if they avoided the injury bug? I would say a great bit amount. And if that is true, then the next question is that is that bad luck or bad drafting. I can only think of one player (though I could be wrong) that had a history of injuries where you could say that was on Telesco. The rest, as best as I can recall, did not have any reason to expect a higher level of injury risk than any other player chosen.Here is a PFF article from last offseason that evaluates team drafting success from 2011-2022 and 2017-2022. Telesco wasn't with the Chargers in 2011-2012 but was GM for the rest. The article shows:
Observations:
- Chargers draft success in the first round ranked #16 from 2011-2022 and #11 from 2017-2022; greater weighting on Herbert presumably helps to boost the 2017-2022 period
- Chargers draft success in rounds 2-3 ranked #31 from 2011-2022 and #25 from 2017-2022
- Chargers draft success in rounds 4-7 ranked #21 from 2011-2022 and #20 from 2017-2022
Good luck. Though we are rivals, I'd prefer to see the Chargers and Raiders battling for the division title every year, with the Chiefs and Broncos trailing. Also, while I'm glad Telesco is gone and expect the new GM to be an upgrade, Telesco seems like a good man, and I wish him success in the future (as long as it is at least slightly less success than the Chargers
- This shows below average drafting, other than Herbert
- This contributed to a problem familiar to all Chargers plans over Telesco's tenure -- good top-level talent, weak depth
- This shows some evidence that the drafting was better towards the end of Telesco's tenure than in the first 5 seasons... but this doesn't account for the Chargers 2023 draft which looks pretty weak at this point
- In the 2017-2022 period, the Chargers drafting ranked higher than the Raiders drafting in all of the breakdowns, so even if Telesco just performs consistent with the Chargers drafting in that period, it would seem to be an impactful upgrade for the Raiders
Over the 11 year sample size of Telesco's tenure, my guess is that the Chargers injury rate has been about average. There have certainly been stretches where the injuries were very impactful, whether because of the number of injuries or the concentration in specific position groups or both. But I don't have a sense that the injuries have been higher than normal often enough to be a meaningful excuse for lack of performance.
I'm not sure of a source that shows team by team, season by season comparisons for injuries. I Googled and didn't find much in a quick search beyond a 33rd Team article that showed graphics for 2017, 2018, and 2021, and the Chargers were at median or below in adjusted games lost in those seasons. But, of course, it isn't just how many games lost, but who lost them.
For example, guys like WR Allen, WR Williams, Edge Bosa, S James, LT Slater, C Linsley have all missed a non-trivial number of games due to injury, but all teams lose significant players to injury at times during a long stretch like 11 seasons. But some teams have lost starting QBs for long stretches. In Telesco's tenure before he was fired, the Chargers' starting QB only missed 1 game due to injury, and it was the last game before he was fired, which Herbert missed.
massraider
Footballguy
Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2024 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0
Daniel Jeremiah reveals his initial prospect rankings for the 2024 NFL Draft. What is the pecking order among the marquee quarterbacks? Just how loaded is this wide receiver class? Check out the full rundown, 1-50.
Daniel Jeremiah top 50. As good a gauge as any other for draft rankings. Has the top 3 guys way out of reach, then Bo Nix at 23, and McCarthy at 27. Penix 40.
ZADO
Footballguy
Champ posted this on his FB page , hes a class act and he will be the next guy in line having gotten the experience he`ll get working with Telesco .
“God is fine with us being disappointed, but He doesn’t want us to lose Faith.”
I’ve lost a lot of games over the course of my playing and coaching career. I’ve lost a lot as a scout and executive as well. It’s okay – I have more wins in the columns than losses. I’ve missed shots, dropped the ball, missed the tackle, and didn’t get the job. They all sucked…LOL.
However, in every single instance, I got up. I kept going. I worked harder. I fought. I didn’t lose Faith. I don’t know much about my history or the origin of my people. But, I have come to believe that I’m from a tribe of RESILIENT and TOUGH people. I envision my folks working, providing, and loving. I envision my folks adapting and adjusting to whatever sick thing that life throws at them. I don’t envision them ever seeking credit because that is WHO they ARE. That is how I envision my ancestors and ultimately how I live my life. I don’t flinch!
Most people have heard some version of the Bible story of Peter walking on water. In short, Jesus was walking on water by Peter and the rest of the disciples. Peter called out to Jesus and said: “Lord, if it’s you, tell me to come to you on the water.” Most remember this story because as Peter walked toward Jesus on the water, he saw the wind and began to sink. People remember the FAILURE.
Today, I claim to have been a water walker. Where I’m from, folks don’t typically get the opportunity to sit at the head of an NFL team. I choose to view the last 9 weeks of the 2023/ 2024 season as a tremendous blessing. I was able to lead an NFL franchise in turmoil and work to unify and galvanize the team. I was able to communicate, love, and support our staff. I was able to assist a first-time head coach in day-to-day operation. I was able to communicate with a team president and team owner. I was able to empower the team. We were able to finish at 5 – 4 in my time in the seat! And, I was able to do all this while being authentically myself – who God intended and created me to be. I am blessed. My girls are blessed. He won’t allow me to sink!
I am disappointed the way things turned out today, but it won’t shake my Trust in the Lord. My faith muscle is strong. I am tremendously honored and humbled by all of the support, thoughts and prayers over the last few days. It has been a trying “wait” period, but your prayers lifted and encouraged myself and my family. For that, I love you.
Champ Kelly
“God is fine with us being disappointed, but He doesn’t want us to lose Faith.”
I’ve lost a lot of games over the course of my playing and coaching career. I’ve lost a lot as a scout and executive as well. It’s okay – I have more wins in the columns than losses. I’ve missed shots, dropped the ball, missed the tackle, and didn’t get the job. They all sucked…LOL.
However, in every single instance, I got up. I kept going. I worked harder. I fought. I didn’t lose Faith. I don’t know much about my history or the origin of my people. But, I have come to believe that I’m from a tribe of RESILIENT and TOUGH people. I envision my folks working, providing, and loving. I envision my folks adapting and adjusting to whatever sick thing that life throws at them. I don’t envision them ever seeking credit because that is WHO they ARE. That is how I envision my ancestors and ultimately how I live my life. I don’t flinch!
Most people have heard some version of the Bible story of Peter walking on water. In short, Jesus was walking on water by Peter and the rest of the disciples. Peter called out to Jesus and said: “Lord, if it’s you, tell me to come to you on the water.” Most remember this story because as Peter walked toward Jesus on the water, he saw the wind and began to sink. People remember the FAILURE.
Today, I claim to have been a water walker. Where I’m from, folks don’t typically get the opportunity to sit at the head of an NFL team. I choose to view the last 9 weeks of the 2023/ 2024 season as a tremendous blessing. I was able to lead an NFL franchise in turmoil and work to unify and galvanize the team. I was able to communicate, love, and support our staff. I was able to assist a first-time head coach in day-to-day operation. I was able to communicate with a team president and team owner. I was able to empower the team. We were able to finish at 5 – 4 in my time in the seat! And, I was able to do all this while being authentically myself – who God intended and created me to be. I am blessed. My girls are blessed. He won’t allow me to sink!
I am disappointed the way things turned out today, but it won’t shake my Trust in the Lord. My faith muscle is strong. I am tremendously honored and humbled by all of the support, thoughts and prayers over the last few days. It has been a trying “wait” period, but your prayers lifted and encouraged myself and my family. For that, I love you.
Champ is a good dude, I was rooting for him. He will be a GM someday sooner rather than later that’s for sure.
ZADO
Footballguy
Tom Telesco's reported focus with Raiders is a slap in the face to Chargers fans
It is a new era of football for the LA Chargers. With Jim Harbaugh and his choice of GM in the building, there is legitimate hope that the Chargers can actually make a Super Bowl run in the next several years. That never felt like it was happening with Tom Telesco and Brandon Staley.
After watching how poorly Telesco built rosters for many years, Chargers fans are happy that he stayed in the division with the team's biggest rival. If Telesco has the same draft resume in Vegas as he did in LA then it is going to be tough sledding for the Raiders.But Telesco might be changing his ways entirely, at least that is what it seems like is happening. On a recent episode of the Las Vegas Raiders Insider podcast, Hondo Carpenter shared that a source close to the team explained to him what Telesco is prioritizing as GM of the Raiders (h/t Raiders Beat).
Tom Telesco prioritizing speed on the Raiders is a slap in the face to Chargers fans
Chargers fans who have followed Telesco's roster building for a decade know that speed was never something that he prioritized. Time and time again the Chargers would bring in slower players at skill positions and it hurt the team.To be fair, Telesco did say last April how the Chargers needed to add speed at every position but that came after a decade of learning the hard way. But even with Telesco saying that, it isn't like the Chargers drafted the biggest speed threat in the 2023 NFL Draft.
Los Angeles drafted Quentin Johnston with the 21st overall pick after he posted a 4.49 40-yard dash time. That is by no means slow, and Johnston does have speed, but there were quicker options available that ended up being better pros. Zay Flowers ran a 4.42 and was undoubtedly a faster prospect. But he wasn't six-four, so the Chargers didn't draft him.
Hopefully, Telesco has not fully learned from his mistakes and continues to make the same gaffes with the Raiders that he did with the Chargers. Because if he just now figured out that speed is kind of important, well then he might continue hurting the Chargers but this time with the Raiders.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Happy bday @Chadstroma
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Thanks Brother
ZADO
Footballguy
My cousin thought your Bday was next month
Par for the course with him
anyways happy cake day my fellow Raiders fan and friend
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am confident Graham is staying.
Our Assistant OL coach, Cameron Clemmons has been requested by the Panthers to interview for their OL coach position. It will be interesting to see who we slot in at OC and how much staff he brings in. We currently have Scott Turner, Edgar Bennett, Kennedy Polamula, Mitch Singler and Fred Walker still on staff via the official Raider page.
Note on that, Champ Kelly still shows as "Interim General Manager" even as Telesco is already on there. I wonder if they are looking to add to his title of Assistant GM to help keep him happy and on board or if it isn't locked in that he is staying.
ICON211
Footballguy
I think you're right that it isn't a lock that he is staying. In his FB statement above, as I was reading it, I was waiting for him to mention something about his role with the Raiders moving forward.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
6 in one game against a Swiss cheese OL skewed that a touch, but it’s a good point.
LawFitz
Footballguy
"UCLA’s Laiatu Latu had an impressive day. Per the Las Vegas Review Journal’s Vincent Bonsignore, Latu has been in contact with Maxx Crosby and models his game after Crosby.
The former Bruin probably isn’t a draft target for the Raiders with last season’s emergence of Malcolm Koonce and his status as a top-15 pick, but Latu and Crosby would form a nasty edge rush duo if Las Vegas goes with a ‘best-player available’ approach."
Blue chip player right here who very well may fall to the Raiders pick. I would have zero issues picking up another stud Edge to supplement and rotate with Maxx and Malcolm. And Khalil.
Can never have too many stud Edge players. And I am not convinced at all about the QBs after Daniels. (Way) early thoughts.
The former Bruin probably isn’t a draft target for the Raiders with last season’s emergence of Malcolm Koonce and his status as a top-15 pick, but Latu and Crosby would form a nasty edge rush duo if Las Vegas goes with a ‘best-player available’ approach."
Blue chip player right here who very well may fall to the Raiders pick. I would have zero issues picking up another stud Edge to supplement and rotate with Maxx and Malcolm. And Khalil.
Can never have too many stud Edge players. And I am not convinced at all about the QBs after Daniels. (Way) early thoughts.
ZADO
Footballguy
Everything on Defense starts with QB pressure in a pass happy NFL"UCLA’s Laiatu Latu had an impressive day. Per the Las Vegas Review Journal’s Vincent Bonsignore, Latu has been in contact with Maxx Crosby and models his game after Crosby.
The former Bruin probably isn’t a draft target for the Raiders with last season’s emergence of Malcolm Koonce and his status as a top-15 pick, but Latu and Crosby would form a nasty edge rush duo if Las Vegas goes with a ‘best-player available’ approach."
Blue chip player right here who very well may fall to the Raiders pick. I would have zero issues picking up another stud Edge to supplement and rotate with Maxx and Malcolm. And Khalil.
Can never have too many stud Edge players. And I am not convinced at all about the QBs after Daniels. (Way) early thoughts.
Im in
While there is a premium on quality edge rushers; those of us who follow the draft know as we get closer to draft day QBs start rising up the board."UCLA’s Laiatu Latu had an impressive day. Per the Las Vegas Review Journal’s Vincent Bonsignore, Latu has been in contact with Maxx Crosby and models his game after Crosby.
The former Bruin probably isn’t a draft target for the Raiders with last season’s emergence of Malcolm Koonce and his status as a top-15 pick, but Latu and Crosby would form a nasty edge rush duo if Las Vegas goes with a ‘best-player available’ approach."
Blue chip player right here who very well may fall to the Raiders pick. I would have zero issues picking up another stud Edge to supplement and rotate with Maxx and Malcolm. And Khalil.
Can never have too many stud Edge players. And I am not convinced at all about the QBs after Daniels. (Way) early thoughts.
The guy to watch is Michael Penix, he’s had a lengthy injury history and not the biggest QB but man, the ball just jumps out of his hand. He can sling it with the best of them. He may just fall right in the Raiders’ lap at 13. That’s IF they don’t make a trade for Fields or something like that. Bottom line, the biggest need or offseason concern IMO is QB competition with AOC.
Yes but he needs to win the job next season to be the starter.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t. Or will they go after a bigger name? He’s better than Jimmy G.
As soon as AP became interim HC jimmy was benched, I don’t see him on the team next season. AOC did an admirable job taking over but I get the feeling they’ll bring in a high draft pick or a vet to compete with AOC for the starting job.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I was bored and wanted to upset myself. So here ya go.Just think what this team would be if the obvious draft choices were made in the first two rounds over the last 5 or 6 years.His track record shows that he makes sound draft picks in the first round. No silly reaches or out of left field head-scratchers. Something that has been missing in this organization since forever.I meant just win baby. But Tom is the first guy with any real experience to take the reins. Let’s see what happens.No hitting the panic button. Just interesting to read an “insider’s” pov instead of just listening to the Raiders echo chamber.I read his opinion.@Just Win Baby mentioned in the “rate your team’s 2023 season” thread about the chargers firing Telesco and being happy about it, so I asked him to give some more details on that statement, and his response was informative and level headed, imo. Hopefully this link to that post works…
Post in thread 'Rank Your NFL Team's 2023 Season'
https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/rank-your-nfl-teams-2023-season.811861/post-24837835
(Sorry to drag you into the Raiders thread, @Just Win Baby
Sounds like any fanbase that hasnt won a SB in its history , not happy and someone has to take the fall . It cant be just one guy or one reason. The franchise itself is to blame . Its a team effort. The reason he was let go is Harbaugh is coming and will bring all his own people . Telesco was let go early so he could land a decent gig somewhere else IMO. Also maybe it WAS time for him to go and get a fresh start somewhere else. He brings a lot of experience and he will be working with new people with new ideas . I wouldn't hit the panic button just yet my friend
RAAAAAYDEEERRRRSSSSS
Tyree wilson. Jalen carter
Didn’t pick until the 3rd round took dylan parham
Leatherwood. Kwitty paye/christian darrisaw
Ruggs. lamb/juedy
Cle Ferrel. devin white
kolton miller I wanted Derwin James
gareon conley. Jabrill peppers/tradavious white/tj watt(unlikely)
Karl Joseph. Taylor decker/keanu Neal/ryan kelly
Amari cooper
khalil mack
Dj Hayden. sheldon richardson
if Telesco is on the team this long and hits on half to 3/4 of these, They will be better. Much better. All of these options were on the board and were fairly obvious choices. Most went either next or within 3 or 4 picks of the raiders take the obvious pick.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I think they see what everyone sees. Hard worker, good guy, pretty strong arm. When he’s on and in rhythm pretty good. Slow as hell, very inaccurate at times, needs to process quicker which gets him out of rhythm quickly.
massraider
Footballguy
And O'Connell is 26 in September. Like 4 years older than guys drafted this year.
He's not getting any quicker. That foot speed we saw from AOC this past season? That's it boys, just getting slower from here.
<-------hey, we have a sloth emoji, that's wonderful
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'm all for bringing in competition for AOC. I just don't want to see them force the issue and pick a flawed (and ultimately high-risk) QB prospect in Rd 1 over a blue-chip Edge, OT, DT or CB, if one is available. Yes, I am implying that Penix and Nix and McCarthy are flawed and potentially high risk. No, I don't feel strongly about that take. Very early thoughts, and of the three, I do like McCarthy most. Penix scares the crap out of me after watching him melt down in the championship game.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought he looked accurate, hitting receivers in stride. I distinctly remember that about him. I didn’t see that many games however
I hear ya about Penix, I might be a little biased towards him as I’ve seen every game of his at Washington. I will say that Michigan D was the toughest D he faced in probably 2 years so while I agree that game brought up some concerns, I think he will grow from that game. His injury history and lack of improvisation concerns me more.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
He’s either money or wildly off target. A lot of the off target throws seem to be a result of misreads and or pressure
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I suspect your only exposure to Penix was watching him in the natty. Prior to that game Penix was money all season. He throws the most accurate deep ball of the rookie prospects. As far as the natty game goes, the refs let Michigan mug the WRs all game, taking away the Huskies’ strength. There were also a couple of key drops in the game. On top of all of that, Penix got his *** beat. I thought he showed good composure considering the circumstances. I would be thrilled if the Raiders draft him.
krsone21
Footballguy
Aaron Wilson
@AaronWilson_NFL
#Raiders frontrunner for offensive coordinator is Kliff Kingsbury, per league sources, as Antonio Pierce fills out his staff, which also incudes Marvin Lewis as assistant head coach
@KPRC2
@AaronWilson_NFL
#Raiders frontrunner for offensive coordinator is Kliff Kingsbury, per league sources, as Antonio Pierce fills out his staff, which also incudes Marvin Lewis as assistant head coach
@KPRC2
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Raiders are expected to hire former Cardinals’ head coach Kliff Kingsbury as their offensive coordinator, per Adam Schefter
Chadstroma
Footballguy
All signs are pointing to Kliff as OC.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Report from Garafolo as well...
The #Raiders have locked in on Kliff Kingsbury as their new offensive coordinator. No deal yet but it’s expected to get done. Following a year at USC, the former #AZCardinals head coach returns to the NFL as part of Antonio Pierce’s coaching staff.
The #Raiders have locked in on Kliff Kingsbury as their new offensive coordinator. No deal yet but it’s expected to get done. Following a year at USC, the former #AZCardinals head coach returns to the NFL as part of Antonio Pierce’s coaching staff.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
A report Hue Jackson being interviewed for an offensive position.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Errrr uhhh. No
ZADO
Footballguy
Imagine the Raiders being run like an actual elite NFL team ,with great educated obvious draft choices and FA signings ???? Its almost too good to be true
joey
Footballguy
Cart, meet horse.
This is good stuff! AP is surrounding himself with a strong and experienced supporting staff. We’ve seen it first hand, not all OCs make great HCs. Kingsbury is a very good coordinator with innovative ideas which makes me wonder if the Raiders are going after a QB like Fields to pair him up with Kingsbury. Or mortgage the future for Caleb? I hope not, I’d prefer Fields.
One thing is for sure, the Oline will look different next season in the new scheme. I wouldn’t be surprised now if they spent the first round pick on a RT.
ICON211
Footballguy
O line with the first pick definitely would not surprise me. O line, CB or interior D line would all make sense. I'd rather any of those than the second tier QBs like Penix, Nix or McCarthy. I'm a firm no on Penix and Nix. McCarthy, I'm not so sure what he is because of what he was asked to do at Michigan.
It’s too bad for Penix that the National audience saw him at his worst this year. The guy can throw darts and is the most accurate and accomplished deep ball passer in the draft.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Interesting OC hire and I like it. Not too worried about his HC history, he won't have those same responsibilities and workload here plus we have a much better defense than ARI did. He got a whole lot out of Kyler Murray who I didn't think would make it in the NFL. He also got a lot out of the running game so I think can be more balanced than people have the impression of. Things went to crap when Murray got hurt but they always will when your QB goes down. He coached Mahomes in college and I think he'd be a good fit to work with improving Fields if we go get him. Drafting a guy like Daniels, Penix, or even Nix now gives me less trepidation as long as Kilff if able to stay in his lane and coach them up.
ZADO
Footballguy
Wouldn't that work to the Raiders advantage ? Maybe he drops down the draft
ZADO
Footballguy
I’d obviously prefer the Raiders competing for a Super Bowl but I love this time of year. The pre-draft season, where everyone (including myself) becomes an armchair GM.
The kid from Arizona St that transferred to LSU, Daniels? I can honestly say I didn’t see him play a down this year yet I’m to believe he’s a top 3 QB. That’s what the experts say and he won the Heismann so I’ll buy in some.
Last year Richardson was the polarizing QB. This year I think it’s Michael Penix.
Positives:
Tons of experience
Laser for an arm
Big hands, can sling it at the flick of a wrist
Quick release
Accuracy pretty solid (it’s debatable now after Title game)
High football IQ
Negatives:
Slight frame: not Bryce Young small, more like Bridgewater or RG3.
Multiple knee surgeries in past. Healthy the past 2 seasons.
Poor showing against a tough defense (Michigan) but lit up Texas so take it for what it’s worth
Not considered a “dual threat” QB
Overall, QBs move up draft boards every year as the draft gets closer. Reports coming out of Mobile is that Penix is lighting up Senior Bowl practice. The guy will be a first round draft pick for sure.
The kid from Arizona St that transferred to LSU, Daniels? I can honestly say I didn’t see him play a down this year yet I’m to believe he’s a top 3 QB. That’s what the experts say and he won the Heismann so I’ll buy in some.
Last year Richardson was the polarizing QB. This year I think it’s Michael Penix.
Positives:
Tons of experience
Laser for an arm
Big hands, can sling it at the flick of a wrist
Quick release
Accuracy pretty solid (it’s debatable now after Title game)
High football IQ
Negatives:
Slight frame: not Bryce Young small, more like Bridgewater or RG3.
Multiple knee surgeries in past. Healthy the past 2 seasons.
Poor showing against a tough defense (Michigan) but lit up Texas so take it for what it’s worth
Not considered a “dual threat” QB
Overall, QBs move up draft boards every year as the draft gets closer. Reports coming out of Mobile is that Penix is lighting up Senior Bowl practice. The guy will be a first round draft pick for sure.
ICON211
Footballguy
The national title game is definitely a negative for him, but other factors also give me pause. He has had injury issues and he spent six years in college. I think we've seen what Penix is, which looked pretty good, but I'm not sure I've seen an elite NFL level prospect. Same with Nix. As far as McCarthy I don't think we've seen exactly what he is and there is probably more room for growth.
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