2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Everyone is 0-0 ☠ (14 Viewers)

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

 

[Chaka]

Our defense isn't good enough to withstand Minshew performance, losing Koonce and Epps for the season, Crosby and Wilkins and Deablo for a stretch.

You tell me which defenses are gonna look good under those circumstances.

Okay, I guess. I don't want to be the contrarian and all that because it doesn't have much value. But we have to be honest here.

The defense was not playing well when everyone was healthy. And it wasn't because of the offense.

 

[Chaka]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

 

[Chaka]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

Of course, you are probably the best voice in this thread, I would never want to see it stifled.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Our defense isn't good enough to withstand Minshew performance, losing Koonce and Epps for the season, Crosby and Wilkins and Deablo for a stretch.

You tell me which defenses are gonna look good under those circumstances.

Okay, I guess. I don't want to be the contrarian and all that because it doesn't have much value. But we have to be honest here.

The defense was not playing well when everyone was healthy. And it wasn't because of the offense.

They played really well for 3 quarters in game 1. And for parts of the ravens game. Not so much since all the injuries.

 

[Chadstroma]

Our defense isn't good enough to withstand Minshew performance, losing Koonce and Epps for the season, Crosby and Wilkins and Deablo for a stretch.

You tell me which defenses are gonna look good under those circumstances.

Okay, I guess. I don't want to be the contrarian and all that because it doesn't have much value. But we have to be honest here.

The defense was not playing well when everyone was healthy. And it wasn't because of the offense.

If anyone is the contrarian here it is me. How many times has a comment me being optimistic or whatever else has been thrown out there? There was one not too long ago about wishing they had as much faith in anything as I do with the Raiders.

I am fine with a well thought out response that points out where something I state is wrong preferably with stats or other information than opinion to counter. With most of my posts, I provide stats, logic, information, etc to state my case.

Going into the season, our three best players on defense was Crosby, Wilkins and Koonce. Koonce has not and will not play a down this year. Crosby and Wilkins have been playing through injuries and for Wilkins losing that battle. Epps is arguably (I would certainly argue for it) the most important piece in the secondary. He is out. Sure, Masterson is no pro bowler but he was a starter and losing any starter on any team for any position usually means a drop in value from the next man up. I like Eichenburg but he is out of position at SLB, oh, and dealing with injury as well. Deablo, another starter, has missed some time as well. No one can tell me that this defense is playing at the level it would be playing at without all these injuries and have me believe them.

I am not a fan of Getsy and I do suspect that a large reason the offense isn't doing well is that our Oline is not a good fit for the wide zone, which is what he brought to the team. If you can't run the ball, most QB's not named Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc will struggle, let alone the guys we have. We have not been able to run it. And they have struggled. The first thing I do after the games is look at the running stats because I know that is crucial for us to have any success. We have sucked at running it and our offense has thus sucked.

Do we need more talent? Sure. We need more depth pretty much everywhere but we really need a QB and RB. The Oline can be upgraded but as I said above, I suspect that a change in scheme will go a long way to improving the line play.

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

Of course, you are probably the best voice in this thread, I would never want to see it stifled.

Thank you... that is overly nice of you and now I question your morals as you are so willing to lie.

 

[Chadstroma]

Our defense isn't good enough to withstand Minshew performance, losing Koonce and Epps for the season, Crosby and Wilkins and Deablo for a stretch.

You tell me which defenses are gonna look good under those circumstances.

Okay, I guess. I don't want to be the contrarian and all that because it doesn't have much value. But we have to be honest here.

The defense was not playing well when everyone was healthy. And it wasn't because of the offense.

They played really well for 3 quarters in game 1. And for parts of the ravens game. Not so much since all the injuries.

I think we had some significant injuries even to that Ravens game but it seems like every game we lose someone else. Hard to win games when you are missing key players and some of the ones left are nursing some form of injury. Would it make a difference in the W/L if we were healthy on defense? I don't know.... but I do believe the defensive play we see now is no where near the ability of this defense to play if healthy, in this system with Graham coaching.

 

[Chaka]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

Of course, you are probably the best voice in this thread, I would never want to see it stifled.

Thank you... that is overly nice of you and now I question your morals as you are so willing to lie.

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

We should have a pretty decently high draft position that we might be able to get a good QB?

I do believe this defense, if healthy, is a winning football kind of defense. So... another good is that none of these injuries are career ending?

I think that is all I got.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

With him as an owner... I believe he will be a huge asset to get this team back to being a perennial playoff team like were from the 70's through to the turn of the century. He is a winner and it isn't b accident. He demanded everyone he played with to play better than they ever did before. I think they as an owner, he will come in and drive the organization to win and I also think he will spend time with whomever is our QB to mentor them.... because there is no way Brady would sit back and be part of an organization and not drive them to win by doing everything he could possibly do. That is his DNA.

that would be nice but not sure how much Mark or Tom will listen to a 5% owner.

 

[ICON211]

With him as an owner... I believe he will be a huge asset to get this team back to being a perennial playoff team like were from the 70's through to the turn of the century. He is a winner and it isn't b accident. He demanded everyone he played with to play better than they ever did before. I think they as an owner, he will come in and drive the organization to win and I also think he will spend time with whomever is our QB to mentor them.... because there is no way Brady would sit back and be part of an organization and not drive them to win by doing everything he could possibly do. That is his DNA.

that would be nice but not sure how much Mark or Tom will listen to a 5% owner.

I think Mark will be very open to advice from Brady. Hell, for a while he was listening to advice and doing things John Madden told him to.

 

[Chadstroma]

With him as an owner... I believe he will be a huge asset to get this team back to being a perennial playoff team like were from the 70's through to the turn of the century. He is a winner and it isn't b accident. He demanded everyone he played with to play better than they ever did before. I think they as an owner, he will come in and drive the organization to win and I also think he will spend time with whomever is our QB to mentor them.... because there is no way Brady would sit back and be part of an organization and not drive them to win by doing everything he could possibly do. That is his DNA.

that would be nice but not sure how much Mark or Tom will listen to a 5% owner.

I think Mark will be very open to advice from Brady. Hell, for a while he was listening to advice and doing things John Madden told him to.

Mark courted Brady. I don't think it is because he thinks Brady is a cool guy.... he wants that influence of the GOAT QB on the organization. I don't think that will come in the form of advice on operations but more so football.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

then why not as a coach?

 

[Chaka]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

Of course, you are probably the best voice in this thread, I would never want to see it stifled.

Thank you... that is overly nice of you and now I question your morals as you are so willing to lie.

Don't sell yourself short, IMO you're the BobbyLayne of this thread.

So, please continue doing you, we need it.

I'mma just keep complaining because it's a lot easier than taking the high ground.

But, remember we all love this team, even when we hate it.

 

[LawFitz]

Brady was given a discount to buy the team, why? To me it's obvious Mork is expecting (or hoping) he will put in some sweat equity to help make things better. That can only come in the form of advising on team operations, including the next Head Coach search this offseason. Guess who is lurking and available?

 

[joey]

I know I’m also a Negative Nancy around here with my “commitment to excellence” mocking comments. But I love the back and forth in this thread, the healthy venting, the necessary optimism to get us through being fans of this team, and especially the sense of humor that most seem to bring to the thread.

So I’m here for the long haul, as much as I’d like to get a lobotomy and forget I root for this team

As for silver lining and hope: I hope that now that Brady is officially part of the Raiders family, he can be a positive influence on assessing who our Franchise QB can be in next year’s draft.

 

[joey]

Ps. Fire Getsy

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Starting to hear rumors we offered 3 1sts for Daniels but got knocked back. Was this floating around at draft time?

 

[JohnnyU]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

 

[DocHolliday]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

 

[JohnnyU]

Quit the bickering. Back to the Raiders and what they need to do to get better.

 

[Bruno2]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

Hey What about Jakorian Bennett. He’s played pretty well thus far. There’s a bright spot.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I hated Brady since the tuck rule game. I maintained Montana as the GOAT right up to him going to the Bucs and winning a SB. I conceded that he is the GOAT.

With him as an owner... I believe he will be a huge asset to get this team back to being a perennial playoff team like were from the 70's through to the turn of the century. He is a winner and it isn't b accident. He demanded everyone he played with to play better than they ever did before. I think they as an owner, he will come in and drive the organization to win and I also think he will spend time with whomever is our QB to mentor them.... because there is no way Brady would sit back and be part of an organization and not drive them to win by doing everything he could possibly do. That is his DNA.

Meh. Michael Jordan bought the Charlotte Hornets. How'd that go. I think it's pretty meaningless. Brady just knows there's a huge cash register at the end of his transaction.

Well, the Hornets roster was horrid and I am not sure how much of Jordan's game was cerebral where he could coach others up.

I saw a snippet the other day of RG3 talking about talking to Brady. He basically asked to be be his shadow in the off season so he could learn how he does things and how he studies film etc etc etc and Brady said "No, we are competitors" I think that Brady has a lot to offer specifically to a QB. You can't tell me.... with a serious look on your face.... that a young QB would not be better off for having access, mentorship, coaching etc from Brady. If you, sorry, I can't take anything you ever say seriously again.

Oh, he could definitely help a young QB. I just don't think he's leaving the golf course, TV booth, or cryo chamber to do so. He may give him some advice. But Brady is not running a QB camp in LV. Athletes buying into sports teams is nothing new. There's really only so much you can do if they aren't in the building, video sessions, locker room, huddle, etc.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

 

[kaso]

Do we expect the GM to draft players to fit the OC's play calling, or expect the OC to implement a system that works to fit the strengths and weaknesses of the roster he has at hand?

Fun fact, regardless of your answer, Getsy isn't the guy.

 

[Chaka]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

We should have a pretty decently high draft position that we might be able to get a good QB?

I do believe this defense, if healthy, is a winning football kind of defense. So... another good is that none of these injuries are career ending?

I think that is all I got.

I agree. I guess being terrible enough to have a crack at one of the top QBs is a win this season. Hooray?

Last year I advocated tanking for Caleb (or Daniels). And I was only partially kidding. Two years ago I wanted to sell the farm for Stroud and, missing him to take the major risk with Richardson (looking to be happy that didn't happen).

I don't know if there is really a QB worth stumping for in 2025 (I know one who may make me a permanent fan another team because the circus that comes with him) but it's better than what's currently in the QB room. Sorry but Drew Bledsoe with less arm strength, processing speed and mobility isn't the answer (and Satan should give Minshew his soul back already because he's incapable of holding up his end of the bargain. Seriously, how did he get this far?).

Bottom line is we all know you don't go far in this league without competent QB play.

And yes, the potential of this defense and Maxx's career are going to be entirely wasted if they don't make an aggressive move to solve the quarterback problem.

 

[Chaka]

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

Sometimes it's the answer.

 

[Chaka]

As for silver lining and hope: I hope that now that Brady is officially part of the Raiders family, he can be a positive influence on assessing who our Franchise QB can be in next year’s draft.

I sincerely hope this too but, man the only way it would be worse for me to root for would be if they hired Deion Sanders.

Thank God that will never... oh, wait.

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

Hey What about Jakorian Bennett. He’s played pretty well thus far. There’s a bright spot.

Actually, our entire draft class seems to range from obvious knock it out of the park hit to 'it looks like there is potential there". As another bright spot and for a team that is a mess, that is a huge positive.

Bowers, likely the best TE in the league right now in his rookie season.
Jackson Powers Johnson looks like a stud G. Loved that the refs told him to calm down in the game.
DJ Glaze, has been playing well at RT and impressed all through camp pushing to get the job outright from Munford. I saw something yesterday that he didn't let TJ get any pressures last week. That is an accomplishment.
Decamarion Richardson, I think we seen enough that it looks like he can develop into a serviceable to good CB.
Tommy Eichenburg, he is stepping up playing out of position but I think whenever he gets his chance to take over for Spillane, there will be no drop in production there.
Dylan Laube, enough seen to be hopeful for his development.
Trey Taylor and MJ Devonshire, both kept around the team in different ways which for 7th rounders is an accomplishment itself.

 

[Chaka]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

Hey What about Jakorian Bennett. He’s played pretty well thus far. There’s a bright spot.

I'm a big fan of Jakorian. I was thrilled they got him as late as they did. I hope he continues to mature and starts making some game changing INTs.

 

[Chadstroma]

Do we expect the GM to draft players to fit the OC's play calling, or expect the OC to implement a system that works to fit the strengths and weaknesses of the roster he has at hand?

Fun fact, regardless of your answer, Getsy isn't the guy.

Your definition of fun and mine are very different.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

Sometimes it's the answer.

Perhaps, but I would focus primarily with building a team through the draft. If the GM doesn't do his/her job, then nothing else matters.

I believe the best recipe for success is to hire a coach to fit the personnel, not have the personnel fit the scheme. So for me, getting the right players is first priority.

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

We should have a pretty decently high draft position that we might be able to get a good QB?

I do believe this defense, if healthy, is a winning football kind of defense. So... another good is that none of these injuries are career ending?

I think that is all I got.

I agree. I guess being terrible enough to have a crack at one of the top QBs is a win this season. Hooray?

Last year I advocated tanking for Caleb (or Daniels). And I was only partially kidding. Two years ago I wanted to sell the farm for Stroud and, missing him to take the major risk with Richardson (looking to be happy that didn't happen).

I don't know if there is really a QB worth stumping for in 2025 (I know one who may make me a permanent fan another team because the circus that comes with him) but it's better than what's currently in the QB room. Sorry but Drew Bledsoe with less arm strength, processing speed and mobility isn't the answer (and Satan should give Minshew his soul back already because he's incapable of holding up his end of the bargain. Seriously, how did he get this far?).

Bottom line is we all know you don't go far in this league without competent QB play.

And yes, the potential of this defense and Maxx's career are going to be entirely wasted if they don't make an aggressive move to solve the quarterback problem.

We did attempt at Stroud for sure. @Sarlakticacid said he is seeing reports we went after Daniels (which I think was always known that we tried but did not know the details). Trades take two to agree, not just us wanting it to happen. 3 1st round picks is a haul and I am not sure you could give more than that... I mean, if we gave 4 1st round selections when the trade was done I promise you more than one of us would be in here talking about "this is why we suck and will always suck" Now, that would have changed once Daniels lit it up (and I have full confidence that is we did have Daniels, Kingsbury wouldn't have left us for Washington.) but has there ever been 4 1st rounds given for a higher draft pick?

 

[JohnnyU]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

We should have a pretty decently high draft position that we might be able to get a good QB?

I do believe this defense, if healthy, is a winning football kind of defense. So... another good is that none of these injuries are career ending?

I think that is all I got.

I agree. I guess being terrible enough to have a crack at one of the top QBs is a win this season. Hooray?

Last year I advocated tanking for Caleb (or Daniels). And I was only partially kidding. Two years ago I wanted to sell the farm for Stroud and, missing him to take the major risk with Richardson (looking to be happy that didn't happen).

I don't know if there is really a QB worth stumping for in 2025 (I know one who may make me a permanent fan another team because the circus that comes with him) but it's better than what's currently in the QB room. Sorry but Drew Bledsoe with less arm strength, processing speed and mobility isn't the answer (and Satan should give Minshew his soul back already because he's incapable of holding up his end of the bargain. Seriously, how did he get this far?).

Bottom line is we all know you don't go far in this league without competent QB play.

And yes, the potential of this defense and Maxx's career are going to be entirely wasted if they don't make an aggressive move to solve the quarterback problem.

We did attempt at Stroud for sure. @Sarlakticacid said he is seeing reports we went after Daniels (which I think was always known that we tried but did not know the details). Trades take two to agree, not just us wanting it to happen. 3 1st round picks is a haul and I am not sure you could give more than that... I mean, if we gave 4 1st round selections when the trade was done I promise you more than one of us would be in here talking about "this is why we suck and will always suck" Now, that would have changed once Daniels lit it up (and I have full confidence that is we did have Daniels, Kingsbury wouldn't have left us for Washington.) but has there ever been 4 1st rounds given for a higher draft pick?

Keep the picks you have and draft your own Stroud or Daniels. Giving away too much draft capital can cripple your efforts to build a good team. Just my opinion. Of course you could always go the George Allen route. He did make it to a Super Bowl with geezers in the 1972 season, but lost to the undefeated Dolphins. Mostly kidding there.

 

[Chadstroma]

By the way.... how many times is Amari Cooper going to get traded?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

While I agree with you, if the scheme doesn’t fit the players, who should adjust? One guy or 22?

 

[JohnnyU]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

While I agree with you, if the scheme doesn’t fit the players, who should adjust? One guy or 22?

I'm just giving you the order in which it should happen. The GM needs to do his job and draft / trade /; get FA good players, then get a coach to fit those players. Of course the right coaches are paramount, but players win games. One draft may not be enough, so you have to have coaches that have a good plan that fits what the GM has in mind for the kind of players he wants.

 

[Chadstroma]

I decided to go to Over the Cap and take a look at dead cap money....

It made me very angry.

$4MM wasted this year and $12MM wasted next year for Jimmy "pretty noodle" G. Bigger waste than Chandler Jones $12MM this year.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

While I agree with you, if the scheme doesn’t fit the players, who should adjust? One guy or 22?

I'm just giving you the order in which it should happen. The GM needs to do his job and draft / trade /; get FA good players, then get a coach to fit those players. Of course the right coaches are paramount, but players win games.

So given the situation at hand, how many years, in your opinion, will it take to overhaul the o line, the rbs and the qb room to fit Betsy’s scheme? 4? 6?

Auto correct keeps changing Getsy to Betsy. I like it

 

[DocHolliday]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I did not. I only said everyone gets to voice their opinion. I never complained about any opinions as you did.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I decided to go to Over the Cap and take a look at dead cap money....

It made me very angry.

$4MM wasted this year and $12MM wasted next year for Jimmy "pretty noodle" G. Bigger waste than Chandler Jones $12MM this year.

Convenient to leave out a player most raider fans are still obsessed with. Hunter renfrow 5.5M. The dreamboats 12M is disgusting though.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

While I agree with you, if the scheme doesn’t fit the players, who should adjust? One guy or 22?

I'm just giving you the order in which it should happen. The GM needs to do his job and draft / trade /; get FA good players, then get a coach to fit those players. Of course the right coaches are paramount, but players win games.

So given the situation at hand, how many years, in your opinion, will it take to overhaul the o line, the rbs and the qb room to fit Betsy’s scheme? 4? 6?

Auto correct keeps changing Getsy to Betsy. I like it

I'm not saying Gesty is the right man for the job. What I am saying is that the GM needs to do his job first and that is to build a better team and that is through the draft, trading, and FA signings. To me that is the most important first steps in building a team. The hiring of OC and other coaches will coincide with the plan the GM has. Or at least I think that's the way it is suppose to happen.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

While I agree with you, if the scheme doesn’t fit the players, who should adjust? One guy or 22?

I'm just giving you the order in which it should happen. The GM needs to do his job and draft / trade /; get FA good players, then get a coach to fit those players. Of course the right coaches are paramount, but players win games.

So given the situation at hand, how many years, in your opinion, will it take to overhaul the o line, the rbs and the qb room to fit Betsy’s scheme? 4? 6?

Auto correct keeps changing Getsy to Betsy. I like it

I'm not saying Gesty is the right man for the job. What I am saying is that the GM needs to do his job first and that is to build a better team and that is through the draft, trading, and FA signings. To me that is the most important first steps in building a team. The hiring of OC and other coaches will coincide with the plan the GM has. Or at least I think that's the way it is suppose to happen.

Fair enough. But someone brought in Betsy. It wasn’t the correct choice. What now? Like now, not in some madden fantasy land where you’re starting a team from scratch. Betsy doesn’t fit this personnel or if you want to look at from the other side the players don’t fit him. What do you do? Roll over the roster or get rid of Betsy?

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I did not. I only said everyone gets to voice their opinion. I never complained about any opinions as you did.

Ok, got it, you were affirming my "right" to express my opinion on some of the opinions expressed regardless if it made you feel warm and fuzzy. Thank you, I appreciate it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

While I agree with you, if the scheme doesn’t fit the players, who should adjust? One guy or 22?

I'm just giving you the order in which it should happen. The GM needs to do his job and draft / trade /; get FA good players, then get a coach to fit those players. Of course the right coaches are paramount, but players win games.

So given the situation at hand, how many years, in your opinion, will it take to overhaul the o line, the rbs and the qb room to fit Betsy’s scheme? 4? 6?

Auto correct keeps changing Getsy to Betsy. I like it

I'm not saying Gesty is the right man for the job. What I am saying is that the GM needs to do his job first and that is to build a better team and that is through the draft, trading, and FA signings. To me that is the most important first steps in building a team. The hiring of OC and other coaches will coincide with the plan the GM has. Or at least I think that's the way it is suppose to happen.

Fair enough. But someone brought in Betsy. It wasn’t the correct choice. What now? Like now, not in some madden fantasy land where you’re starting a team from scratch. Betsy doesn’t fit this personnel or if you want to look at from the other side the players don’t fit him. What do you do? Roll over the roster or get rid of Betsy?

The keyword in my post was "coincide". The GM input is critical for coaching hires to fit the kind of team he wants to build.

 

[Chadstroma]

I decided to go to Over the Cap and take a look at dead cap money....

It made me very angry.

$4MM wasted this year and $12MM wasted next year for Jimmy "pretty noodle" G. Bigger waste than Chandler Jones $12MM this year.

Convenient to leave out a player most raider fans are still obsessed with. Hunter renfrow 5.5M. The dreamboats 12M is disgusting though.

I could have made comments on a lot of them but Pretty Noodle boy made my stomach turn.

 

[kaso]

My issue with Getsy is layered. His play calling is super predictable, and he doesn't seem willing or able to tailor his approach to the players he has available. IMO, Fields is a very real example of him holding talent back. I believe one of the main reasons he was brought it was Adams. Adams is gone. I don't see upside to keeping him around. And think he could spoil more of the talent on the roster, something the Raider cannot risk in a stage of development.