Tau837
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Never.
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2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Happy trails Derek - one a Raider always a Raider ☠ (6 Viewers)
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Being in Chicago, I watch mpre Bears games than I would like. I have full faith that Fields can be a top tier QB. I also think Kingsbury might be one of the best OC's to get him there.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Well.... poo
Chadstroma
Footballguy
$$$ most likely
wonder why? I hate these vague inner rumblings that show signs of cracks within. I just want some f’ing stability.
massraider
Footballguy
Chip Kelly, Fields for a 2nd, run the Kelly hurry up offense?
Super Bowl winners? Nah. But sounds like a lot of fun to watch, and I could think of much worse.
Super Bowl winners? Nah. But sounds like a lot of fun to watch, and I could think of much worse.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Apparently it was contract length.$$$ most likely
wonder why? I hate these vague inner rumblings that show signs of cracks within. I just want some f’ing stability.
We offered 2 years and he wanted 3. The dude has an ego and he walked.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Reportedly, Eric Bienemy has been interviewed for OC
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I hope that's not accurate because what a moronic way to lose your selected candidate.
ZADO
Footballguy
Maybe hes waiting for Davis to blink .
krsone21
Footballguy
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Albert Breer
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Sources: The Raiders are working on a deal to hire ex-Bears OC Luke Getsy as their new offensive coordinator. The highly-respected Getsy was in the mix for a bunch of OC jobs in this cycle.Pretty wild day in Vegas.
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Sources: The Raiders are working on a deal to hire ex-Bears OC Luke Getsy as their new offensive coordinator. The highly-respected Getsy was in the mix for a bunch of OC jobs in this cycle.Pretty wild day in Vegas.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Pretty bad when he’s in the doghouse before getting started
ZADO
Footballguy
Par for the course around these here parts pilgrim
Hankmoody
Footballguy
He was highly regarded when hired in Chi, and got a number of OC considerations this cycle too. His offense improved this year vs. last and as this year progressed. I wouldn't be ready to be disappointed right off the bat. This does, on the surface, almost certainly nuke the Justin Fields talk though.
ZADO
Footballguy
Ok so it seems like we have a new OC , but all people are looking at his his sum of work in Chicago. Well it seems he was pretty good in Green bay and worked with Devante Adams .Here are some stats .
Getsy, 33, spent the past four seasons (2014-17) as an offensive assistant with one of the most storied franchises in the NFL in the Green Bay Packers. He served a two-year stint as the team’s offensive quality control (2014-15) before being promoted to wide receivers coach on Feb. 17, 2016.
Green Bay proved to be a dominant receiving force in his two seasons as wide receivers coach, and the Packers reached the NFL playoffs three times and two NFC Championships during his four-year tenure. Despite losing future Hall of Fame quarterback Aaron Rodgers to injury most of the 2017 season, Getsy mentored Davante Adams into one of the league’s top playmakers. Adams ranked second in the NFL with 10 receiving touchdowns during the regular season.
In his first year as receivers coach in 2016, the Packers were one of two teams in the NFL to have three wide receivers (Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams and Randall Cobb) with 60-plus receptions and 600-plus receiving yards. After missing the 2015 season due to a knee injury, Nelson was named The Associated Press NFL Comeback Player of the Year after starting all 16 games and leading the team in all three receiving categories with 97 receptions for 1,257 yards (13.0 avg.) and 14 touchdowns. Adams posted career highs with 75 catches for 997 yards (13.3 avg.) and 12 TDs. Nelson led the NFL in TDs (14) and Adams tied for No. 2 (12) as they become only the second teammate duo in franchise history with 12-plus TD catches each in the same season (Nelson and Cobb, 2014).
In 2015, Getsy assisted with an offense that posted eight zero-turnover games, tied for No. 1 (2009) in franchise history (since 1933). Additionally, he worked with an offense that had four players with 50-plus receptions for only the third time (1983, 2002) since 1940.
In his first season with the Packers in 2014, Getsy was part of an offensive staff that helped the Packers lead the league in scoring (30.4 ppg) and set team single-season records for first downs (356) and giveaways (13). Green Bay ranked No. 6 in the NFL in total yards per game (386.1), and the team’s 6,178 total yards on the season were the fourth most in franchise history.
Getsy, 33, spent the past four seasons (2014-17) as an offensive assistant with one of the most storied franchises in the NFL in the Green Bay Packers. He served a two-year stint as the team’s offensive quality control (2014-15) before being promoted to wide receivers coach on Feb. 17, 2016.
Green Bay proved to be a dominant receiving force in his two seasons as wide receivers coach, and the Packers reached the NFL playoffs three times and two NFC Championships during his four-year tenure. Despite losing future Hall of Fame quarterback Aaron Rodgers to injury most of the 2017 season, Getsy mentored Davante Adams into one of the league’s top playmakers. Adams ranked second in the NFL with 10 receiving touchdowns during the regular season.
In his first year as receivers coach in 2016, the Packers were one of two teams in the NFL to have three wide receivers (Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams and Randall Cobb) with 60-plus receptions and 600-plus receiving yards. After missing the 2015 season due to a knee injury, Nelson was named The Associated Press NFL Comeback Player of the Year after starting all 16 games and leading the team in all three receiving categories with 97 receptions for 1,257 yards (13.0 avg.) and 14 touchdowns. Adams posted career highs with 75 catches for 997 yards (13.3 avg.) and 12 TDs. Nelson led the NFL in TDs (14) and Adams tied for No. 2 (12) as they become only the second teammate duo in franchise history with 12-plus TD catches each in the same season (Nelson and Cobb, 2014).
In 2015, Getsy assisted with an offense that posted eight zero-turnover games, tied for No. 1 (2009) in franchise history (since 1933). Additionally, he worked with an offense that had four players with 50-plus receptions for only the third time (1983, 2002) since 1940.
In his first season with the Packers in 2014, Getsy was part of an offensive staff that helped the Packers lead the league in scoring (30.4 ppg) and set team single-season records for first downs (356) and giveaways (13). Green Bay ranked No. 6 in the NFL in total yards per game (386.1), and the team’s 6,178 total yards on the season were the fourth most in franchise history.
Why would it nuke fields?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Getsy got a lot of rushing yards from a not very good offensive line. Though Fields started to come on late this year, it took too long. Was that Fields or was that Getsy? I don't know
ICON211
Footballguy
Getsy and Fields seemingly had issues. Fields openly questioned the offensive staff earlier in the season.
ICON211
Footballguy
Getsy did not tailor the offense to Fields strengths. Hackett was highly regarded before he got to Denver too, as most guys that worked with Rodgers are. Getsy seems like a guy that won't adapt to the players he has.
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ZADO
Footballguy
Id think that Champ had some insight and input into this decision , no?
ZADO
Footballguy
Backup quarterback Trevor Siemian agreed Getsy is very clear about his expectations and standards but said the coach also allows some give and take with players about what they feel is best.
A criticism of Matt Nagy was that the coach was so married to his idea of what an offense should be that he didn’t take into account what worked best for his players. But Getsy has said from February that the Bears’ offensive identity would in large part be driven by what his players, and in particular his quarterback, do best. The Bears have shown glimpses of that so far with Fields, though a full game in better weather conditions could help give a better picture of the offense.
“It’s an interesting question for coaches, one I wonder too, is what’s the balance of input from players, and then falling back on the things you believe in and the principles you believe in,” Siemian said. “There is a balance there, and Luke does as a good job of anybody I’ve been around of striking that balance and getting feedback from players but also (maintaining) the standard, the expectations and the things he really believes in.”
ICON211
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Maybe he's good at taking input and tailoring the offense to the strengths of the backup QB and ignores the starting QB who is actually playing, because I don't think anyone that watched the Bears play the last two years can say that offense they were running was built to maximize Field's strengths.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Reading the tea leaves, he went from super cerebral AA Ron to not so cerebral fields and struggled to adjust. Not the best sign.
Aaron Rodgers is becoming the player equivalent of Bill Belichick when it comes to getting guys jobs that aren't worthy of them.
Getsy was problem #1 for the Bears the last 2 seasons. Uncreative play caller who tried to turn Fields into Rodgers, and only once Fields publicly called him out, did he even begin to use him to his strengths. Team was .500 from then on, after being the worst team in the NFL for a year and a half prior.
Maybe he'll be better here, he is reuniting with Davante Adams I guess, but as a Bears fan, I wish you luck, but expect Raiders fans to be calling for him to be fired no later than Halloween.
rockaction
Footballguy
I heard news of this hire and immediately wanted to sell my Davante dynasty share.
ICON211
Footballguy
If this was accurate Getsy would seem to be a strange choice being that he couldn't get the best out of Fields.
I’m beginning to wonder if the organization is going all in on AOC, that might be what scared KK away. He was thinking they were going after Fields or Williams and wanted to work with that type of QB
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Or maybe he did.
ZADO
Footballguy
He actually did great with DA and DA loves the guy
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, he did, and yeah, I read your post. I'm just unsure you can extrapolate "loves the guy" from a prior working relationship that was successful. DA probably (I'm guessing) attributes a lot of his success to Aaron Rodgers and not necessarily Luke Getsy. I mean, yes there's a Twitter thing going around where he supposedly had credited Getsy with his development, but what else is he going to say? And I haven't seen him say anything about it yet yesterday or today, so . . . I don't know. Who really does know?
I'm just not a huge fan of Getsy because of what he did with the Bears.
I've been wondering if they might actually end up sticking with O'Connell as well, which would be a bold (likely awful) decision, I think.I’m beginning to wonder if the organization is going all in on AOC, that might be what scared KK away. He was thinking they were going after Fields or Williams and wanted to work with that type of QB
ETA: Maybe bring in a cheaper backup option, like a Mac Jones or Jacoby Brissett?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
This makes me sadI've been wondering if they might actually end up sticking with O'Connell as well, which would be a bold (likely awful) decision, I think.I’m beginning to wonder if the organization is going all in on AOC, that might be what scared KK away. He was thinking they were going after Fields or Williams and wanted to work with that type of QB
ETA: Maybe bring in a cheaper backup option, like a Mac Jones or Jacoby Brissett?
LawFitz
Footballguy
Yo, this is our Head Coach now...
Yeah, OC matters. So does GM. Both, a lot. But nobody affects the tone and tenor of a team like the HC. Not even close. Combine an AP with a Mad Maxx and let’s see what's what.
Yeah, OC matters. So does GM. Both, a lot. But nobody affects the tone and tenor of a team like the HC. Not even close. Combine an AP with a Mad Maxx and let’s see what's what.
Max Power
Footballguy
I'm happy to see Getsy move on. Whatever was going on between him and JF wasn't working. I put a decent chunk of the blame on Getsy, but JF and I believe Poles are also to blame as well. I've heard it was Poles' idea to try to turn JF into a pocket passing QB. He wanted to know if JF was worth the big money investment. Getsy was following orders in a way.
I think Getsy is good out of the gate each game. He usually has a first drive or two that look pretty solid. After teams adjust to his gameplan, I don't think he can counter on the fly very well. A lot of games the Bears looked lost in the second half. Getsy did decent with Bagent who was probably running Getsy's system better than JF did.
On the negative side I feel the Bears lost 3-4 games this year with Getsy being near the top of the list for reasons why.
- Bucs game he called the same play back to back (RB slip screen on the GL). It was picked for a TD which put the game out of reach. DE admitted he just saw the play so he knew what it was.
- Broncos game started well, but again he called a play where it was a fake run into a QB bootleg pass. The Entire game the DE spied JF on rollouts and never once bit on a run. Cooper even said in the post game, that was his only job that game. This play the DE is unblocked and needs to bite on the run for it to work, but ultimately left JF on an island with DE who forced a fumble and ran it back for a TD.
- First Lions game Bears we up big and went into run up the middle mode the whole 4th quarter. The only recorded pass in the 4th quarter was on a 3rd and 1 when the Bears sent Tyler Scott on a 30 yard fly pattern and he misjudged the ball.
- Cleveland game is semi on him. Bears had plenty of chances to put it away and just couldn't do it. Poor blocking by RBs/WRs was the biggest part.
Honorable mention - Second Vikes games on primetime. It was 12-10 win thanks to 4 INTs by Dobbs. Getsy went wild calling screen passes. It was so bad the announcers were laughing at the play calling. According to Getsy the defense was too aggressive with the blitz to go downfield with the ball. The screen game wasn't working either which made it even more frustrating.
Hoping his Raiders days are better.
If AP likes Getsy, then so do I. All this “In AP we trust” rhetoric I’ve been hearing around the Nation starts now. AP got his 2nd guy, sometimes when things don’t work out, it’s a blessing.
Time to move on to the QB room. All this talk of the Getsy hire taking them out of the Fields sweepstakes isn’t necessarily true. Remember when the narrative in the media was that Gruden was always looking to move on from Carr? Nothing could’ve been farther from the truth. Where did Gruden resurface? New Orleans with Carr… Be careful of the media is all I’m saying, these guys and gals are looking for clicks and attention. IMO the Getsy hire could possibly signal they will make a serious run at Fields. Things aren’t always what they seem in the NFL and so much happens behind closed doors.
Time to move on to the QB room. All this talk of the Getsy hire taking them out of the Fields sweepstakes isn’t necessarily true. Remember when the narrative in the media was that Gruden was always looking to move on from Carr? Nothing could’ve been farther from the truth. Where did Gruden resurface? New Orleans with Carr… Be careful of the media is all I’m saying, these guys and gals are looking for clicks and attention. IMO the Getsy hire could possibly signal they will make a serious run at Fields. Things aren’t always what they seem in the NFL and so much happens behind closed doors.
kaso
Footballguy
A few comments to catch up on the updates from over the weekend
- Kliff was able to stick to what he wanted (3 years vs 2 year contract) because he is still owed $20M from the Cardinals.
- Kliff may have also decided on the Commanders over the Raiders if the Raiders weren't able to gain his confidence in their willingness to trade up to get Caleb.
- No argument from me that Kliff is a better OC than HC. But I don't think he was a guaranteed 'win' as some seem to think on Raiders Twitter. HIs win/loss records aren't allstar by any means.
- I don't know if we'd all be as upset about the drop from Kliff to Getsy if the media never leaked that Kliff was going to be hired. Who really knows how close Kliff was ever to actually signing with the Raiders. Maybe he took a page from the Harbaugh book and was using the Raiders to squeeze the Commanders for a better deal?
- Raiders Twitter, and here (to an extent) have already wrote off Getsy. I don't get it. We won't know how restricted he was in Chicago under that HC/GM/Ownership. It wasn't that long ago we say a marked improvement from the Raiders with the change from McDaniels to AP. Hell, there was an improvement moving from McDaniels play calling to a first time ever OC.
- Kliff was able to stick to what he wanted (3 years vs 2 year contract) because he is still owed $20M from the Cardinals.
- Kliff may have also decided on the Commanders over the Raiders if the Raiders weren't able to gain his confidence in their willingness to trade up to get Caleb.
- No argument from me that Kliff is a better OC than HC. But I don't think he was a guaranteed 'win' as some seem to think on Raiders Twitter. HIs win/loss records aren't allstar by any means.
- I don't know if we'd all be as upset about the drop from Kliff to Getsy if the media never leaked that Kliff was going to be hired. Who really knows how close Kliff was ever to actually signing with the Raiders. Maybe he took a page from the Harbaugh book and was using the Raiders to squeeze the Commanders for a better deal?
- Raiders Twitter, and here (to an extent) have already wrote off Getsy. I don't get it. We won't know how restricted he was in Chicago under that HC/GM/Ownership. It wasn't that long ago we say a marked improvement from the Raiders with the change from McDaniels to AP. Hell, there was an improvement moving from McDaniels play calling to a first time ever OC.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, when Kliff got fired, I don't recall many people speaking well of him.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
odd take from a jets fan
rockaction
Footballguy
odd take from a jets fan
There's absolutely nothing odd about hating incompetence in football when coming from a football fan. I'm a Davante fan because he wins or loses me dynasty championships. I want to see him fed and fed well and used as appropriately as his talent demands (he is indeed getting older, so who knows when the cliff is coming or has come a bit).
I judge fairly despite my rooting interest in another team. Being a Jets fan certainly doesn't disqualify one from having an opinion nor does the stink of that organization rub off on the decisions of its fans. Woody Johnson is clueless, and they're clueless on down. What more can I say?
ICON211
Footballguy
Getsy seems like a system guy that wants to run his system and the players to adapt to him more than he will adapt to them. If he gets the right QB I think he could work and be really good. I think his hire ends the Fields consideration and I think it should. Last year was not his first year with Fields. He had the whole year before and the offseason to learn what Field's strengths and weaknesses were and he didn't design the offense to suit them. Why would the Raiders trade assets for a QB that already didn't work out with the current OC who he openly clashed with?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Getsy makes me nervous as hell.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
same. it isn't a selection that seems to be a no brainer. i was optimistic with KK, but a little wary. his antics at the draft soured me to him. but he's known to be a good offensive mind. just totally unsure of getsy. i fear he's a by product of A A ron's greatness. i guess we'll see. chip kelly would have been nuts
I wonder how much input Davante had on Getsy. I know Maxx had a lot to say about keeping Graham and AP. I’m they must have hit up DA for his opinions as well. Just a thought…
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I was optimistic of Kliff because of his reputation as being a good offensive coach and his track record working with a number of QB's and helping them be successful. My biggest reservation about him was his ego. When I saw that the contract negotiations broke down, I wasn't surprised because he is the type of guy that can get easily offended and then walk because of that imagine offense. This dude has a huge ego and it drives him. I was hoping that drive would benefit us and we wouldn't get the negatives of the ego as he would be on his best behavior to get another HC try but apparently the ego blew it up before it even started. It is what it is.
I really didn't want Chip so if it was a choice between Chip and Getsy then ok, let's roll the dice with Getsy.
I am nervous because the Bears offense didn't exactly light it up. But I have questions... was it because Fields was still learning the NFL game? Was it Getsy's fault? He generally started games well but then struggled late in the game was that due to his inability to adjust to their adjustments or were the players struggling to adjust? Is Fields clearly getting better as the season went on something that Getsy should get credit for or was the delay his fault? I don't know. I don't have a real solid take on him.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I don't think that that is a very good comparison actually.
For Kliff, he worked with several QB's (as you mentioned but a couple more that had great success in college with him) in different organizations/schools. Could he just be lucky and rode their curtails? Sure, that is possible. Look at Jimmy G's career up to joining the Raiders, pure luck.
For Getsy, when Rodgers was first a full time QB in GB he was starting out as a grad assistant at Akron. Most of Aaron's career, Getsy had no direct involvement with Aaron. It wasn't until 2019 and for 3 years that he was involved with him. Rodgers was already well established as one of the best that has ever played the game by the time Getsy directly worked with him. Now, does that mean Getsy stinks and doesn't deserve any credit for working with him during that time, no, but I can't see how you can attribute Rodgers success to Getsy when he was already extremely successful without him.
ICON211
Footballguy
It's fair to wonder how much KK had to with the success of Mahomes, Murray and Caleb. I think the difference with the two is that KK worked with these guys when they were young players and Getsy was the Packers QB coach from 2019 - 2021. Rodgers was already Rodgers. He can't get any credit for helping him develop into a great QB.
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