2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Happy trails Derek - one a Raider always a Raider ☠ (50 Viewers)

[Grahamburn]

Who wants a mustache ride?!

Plaque on the door of the Raiders QB room literally says Team RamRod.

True story.

That is awesome.

 

[Grahamburn]

What a win for you guys. Happy Pirate day!

 

[Chaka]

Who wants a mustache ride?!

Plaque on the door of the Raiders QB room literally says Team RamRod.

True story.

That is awesome.

Sorry, by "True story" I meant "I'm a lying ###, liar."

I wish it were true though.

 

[Grahamburn]

Who wants a mustache ride?!

Plaque on the door of the Raiders QB room literally says Team RamRod.

True story.

That is awesome.

Sorry, by "True story" I meant "I'm a lying ###, liar."

I wish it were true though.

 

[kaso]

Andy Dalton to get the start at QB for the Panthers next week

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Andy Dalton to get the start at QB for the Panthers next week

Darn it!

 

[Hankmoody]

Andy Dalton to get the start at QB for the Panthers next week

Would rather it be Bryce, we'd have the better QB at least.

 

[Chaka]

Dalton starting is good news everyone.

It'll be a whole lot less humiliating losing to the Dalton led Panthers at home than inevitably following up an amazing road with a loss at home to the Young led Panthers. Which would have been the absolutely the most Raiders thing ever.

 

[bombjack]

Love the win, love the way the D played.
Hated that final play call though.
Give Lamar a running start where not one defender is within 10 yards of another?
We are lucky he decided not to try to run it in.
Prevent D prevents you from winning!

 

[Chaka]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

 

[Chaka]

Because I know some aren't happy with my Raiders negativity this season here is a super positive nugget about this year's QBs:

Gardner Minshew is, by far the second best QB from the 2019 draft class.

Come at me Daniel Jones fans!!!!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

 

[Chaka]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

 

[LawFitz]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

You set up the team, coaching and culture of winning and then find a way to find a non-top-10 pick QB. There have been countless examples over the years, including 3 of the 4 QB GOATs of this generation.

 

[massraider]

Here's something I just figured out.

We get the Rams in LA Week 7 and most likely no Kupp or Puka.

 

[Bruno2]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

Super Bowl run…. Definitely not. Playoff push maybe if they can get the Oline to gel and get some semblance of a running game and protect Minshew all season.
One thing I think they will be all season is a “tough out” for teams.

 

[Chaka]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

You set up the team, coaching and culture of winning and then find a way to find a non-top-10 pick QB. There have been countless examples over the years, including 3 of the 4 QB GOATs of this generation.

I like that. I do.

Honestly, I swear to (whatever I value) I thought this was going to be that off-season, and then Atlanta ###### us! It's part of the problem with hoping a Penix falls to you outside the top 10 (or a Mahomes at #10).

Bottom line is in today's NFL you need an elite QB to compete on an annual basis. You can hope one falls to you or you can try to go get one.

We all lament Jamarcus Russell but I'd rather try, and fail, to get a decade(s) long franchise QB then wait and hope one miraculously appears.

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

 

[Chaka]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

Super Bowl run…. Definitely not. Playoff push maybe if they can get the Oline to gel and get some semblance of a running game and protect Minshew all season.
One thing I think they will be all season is a “tough out” for teams.

Okay, I want to say that's fair but doesn't it require the current, perceived, talent on the offensive line (outside Kolton) to play well above their, perceived, ability?

To me this is clearly, at best, another "tough out" season. Am I the only one tired of the pyrrhic victories? Or just the only one willing to say so?

 

[Chaka]

And, just to reemphasize I am not joking about buying beer (or an awesome substitute for those who don't drink alcohol) for everyone here if I am proven wrong this year.

I would be thrilled to pay get you all buzzed on great San Diego hooch.

Frankly, judging by what I am seeing here I am considering lowering the bar from AFC Championship game appearance to Divisional Round appearance.

 

[Hankmoody]

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

I would presume GOAT of "this generation" would be Brady, Rodgers, Brees with Manning being the 4th.

 

[Chaka]

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

I would presume GOAT of "this generation" would be Brady, Rodgers, Brees with Manning being the 4th.

I assumed active players.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Here's something I just figured out.

We get the Rams in LA Week 7 and most likely no Kupp or Puka.

and still an expensive ticket, which has been pissed off

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

You set up the team, coaching and culture of winning and then find a way to find a non-top-10 pick QB. There have been countless examples over the years, including 3 of the 4 QB GOATs of this generation.

I like that. I do.

Honestly, I swear to (whatever I value) I thought this was going to be that off-season, and then Atlanta ###### us! It's part of the problem with hoping a Penix falls to you outside the top 10 (or a Mahomes at #10).

Bottom line is in today's NFL you need an elite QB to compete on an annual basis. You can hope one falls to you or you can try to go get one.

We all lament Jamarcus Russell but I'd rather try, and fail, to get a decade(s) long franchise QB then wait and hope one miraculously appears.

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

we just beat Lamar Jackson, who I would think is a elite

 

[Chaka]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

You set up the team, coaching and culture of winning and then find a way to find a non-top-10 pick QB. There have been countless examples over the years, including 3 of the 4 QB GOATs of this generation.

I like that. I do.

Honestly, I swear to (whatever I value) I thought this was going to be that off-season, and then Atlanta ###### us! It's part of the problem with hoping a Penix falls to you outside the top 10 (or a Mahomes at #10).

Bottom line is in today's NFL you need an elite QB to compete on an annual basis. You can hope one falls to you or you can try to go get one.

We all lament Jamarcus Russell but I'd rather try, and fail, to get a decade(s) long franchise QB then wait and hope one miraculously appears.

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

we just beat Lamar Jackson, who I would think is a elite

That's why I listed him.

The Raiders beat Mahomes in KC last season, then watched from the sidelines as he won another Super Bowl.

Beating Lamar in Baltimore is a pyrrhic victory, until it isn't.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

You set up the team, coaching and culture of winning and then find a way to find a non-top-10 pick QB. There have been countless examples over the years, including 3 of the 4 QB GOATs of this generation.

I like that. I do.

Honestly, I swear to (whatever I value) I thought this was going to be that off-season, and then Atlanta ###### us! It's part of the problem with hoping a Penix falls to you outside the top 10 (or a Mahomes at #10).

Bottom line is in today's NFL you need an elite QB to compete on an annual basis. You can hope one falls to you or you can try to go get one.

We all lament Jamarcus Russell but I'd rather try, and fail, to get a decade(s) long franchise QB then wait and hope one miraculously appears.

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

We just beat Lamar Jackson, who I would think is a elitek

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

You set up the team, coaching and culture of winning and then find a way to find a non-top-10 pick QB. There have been countless examples over the years, including 3 of the 4 QB GOATs of this generation.

I like that. I do.

Honestly, I swear to (whatever I value) I thought this was going to be that off-season, and then Atlanta ###### us! It's part of the problem with hoping a Penix falls to you outside the top 10 (or a Mahomes at #10).

Bottom line is in today's NFL you need an elite QB to compete on an annual basis. You can hope one falls to you or you can try to go get one.

We all lament Jamarcus Russell but I'd rather try, and fail, to get a decade(s) long franchise QB then wait and hope one miraculously appears.

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

we just beat Lamar Jackson, who I would think is a elite

That's why I listed him.

The Raiders beat Mahomes in KC last season, then watched from the sidelines as he won another Super Bowl.

Beating Lamar in Baltimore is a pyrrhic victory, until it isn't.

imagine last year we had the number two pick in the draft and we took a quarterback…

 

[Chaka]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

You set up the team, coaching and culture of winning and then find a way to find a non-top-10 pick QB. There have been countless examples over the years, including 3 of the 4 QB GOATs of this generation.

I like that. I do.

Honestly, I swear to (whatever I value) I thought this was going to be that off-season, and then Atlanta ###### us! It's part of the problem with hoping a Penix falls to you outside the top 10 (or a Mahomes at #10).

Bottom line is in today's NFL you need an elite QB to compete on an annual basis. You can hope one falls to you or you can try to go get one.

We all lament Jamarcus Russell but I'd rather try, and fail, to get a decade(s) long franchise QB then wait and hope one miraculously appears.

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

We just beat Lamar Jackson, who I would think is a elitek

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

You set up the team, coaching and culture of winning and then find a way to find a non-top-10 pick QB. There have been countless examples over the years, including 3 of the 4 QB GOATs of this generation.

I like that. I do.

Honestly, I swear to (whatever I value) I thought this was going to be that off-season, and then Atlanta ###### us! It's part of the problem with hoping a Penix falls to you outside the top 10 (or a Mahomes at #10).

Bottom line is in today's NFL you need an elite QB to compete on an annual basis. You can hope one falls to you or you can try to go get one.

We all lament Jamarcus Russell but I'd rather try, and fail, to get a decade(s) long franchise QB then wait and hope one miraculously appears.

So, are the three Rodgers, Lamar & Mahomes?

we just beat Lamar Jackson, who I would think is a elite

That's why I listed him.

The Raiders beat Mahomes in KC last season, then watched from the sidelines as he won another Super Bowl.

Beating Lamar in Baltimore is a pyrrhic victory, until it isn't.

imagine last year we had the number two pick in the draft and we took a quarterback…

Not 100% certain but pretty sure we can find a post in last year's thread of me screaming we should sell the farm to go get Stroud at #2 and Richardson at #4 (also wanted Carter over Tyree at #7 but understood why they couldn't even if the reasoning isn't sound).

Hell, I am certain there are posts of me screaming not to just give Derek Carr away. With this defense and Carr at QB I think we would be 2-0 with a Trent Dilfer style puncher's chance at a deep playoff run.

To be fair, it's my fault too as I was very pro giving McDaniels a chance at redemption. I am now 100% certain Bisacia would have been infinitely better (infinity times zero is still zero).

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

Super Bowl run…. Definitely not. Playoff push maybe if they can get the Oline to gel and get some semblance of a running game and protect Minshew all season.
One thing I think they will be all season is a “tough out” for teams.

Okay, I want to say that's fair but doesn't it require the current, perceived, talent on the offensive line (outside Kolton) to play well above their, perceived, ability?

To me this is clearly, at best, another "tough out" season. Am I the only one tired of the pyrrhic victories? Or just the only one willing to say so?

I’m catching up on here. But for the love of everything ever, you’re not the only one tired of this bs. Chad and I fight all the time because I’m realistic and am never pie in the sky.

Can they make the playoffs. Maybe. Super Bowl? No. Other than the browns the next 5 games are very winnable. Panthers browns donkeys Steelers rams

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Here's something I just figured out.

We get the Rams in LA Week 7 and most likely no Kupp or Puka.

and still an expensive ticket, which has been pissed off

I’ll probably go

 

[LawFitz]

This generation's GOATs, in order (for now),

Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Rodgers

You could reasonably throw Brees up there too, which would make 4 of 5 picked in spots a team wouldn't need to tank for.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Adams’s TD being called the “Smooth Criminal”

Also Minshew waking up in the 2nd feel Snakish to anyone?

 

[Chaka]

Okay, it has quickly become aware to me that my "for God's sake please suck for any potential franchise QB" shtick (ish) isn't going to play well all season.

Honest question: Does anyone in here honestly believe this team is capable of a Super Bowl run?

What about a playoff run in general?

I think it’s a much better team than you give them credit for. The charger game was very close. Losing the turnover battle 0-3 was the difference. The D SMOTHERED them other than just few plays. Limit those mistakes and they could win some games. The KC game is the hardest game in the distance. On paper the next 5 games are winnable.

I think I am failing to make my shtick (ish) clear, they're not better than I give them credit for. I am (kinda) rooting for them to be a lot worse. I understand them to be a 6 to 8 win team this season (what's the most? 10-7 if everything falls absolutely perfect).

I think yet another season of 6-11 to 9-8 is a failure and a disservice to guys like Maxx & Kolton.

Where does the Super Bowl caliber QB come from in this rinse/repeat scenario?

And you didn't answer my question. Do you honestly think this team capable of a Super Bowl run?

Making the playoffs?

Super Bowl run…. Definitely not. Playoff push maybe if they can get the Oline to gel and get some semblance of a running game and protect Minshew all season.
One thing I think they will be all season is a “tough out” for teams.

Okay, I want to say that's fair but doesn't it require the current, perceived, talent on the offensive line (outside Kolton) to play well above their, perceived, ability?

To me this is clearly, at best, another "tough out" season. Am I the only one tired of the pyrrhic victories? Or just the only one willing to say so?

I’m catching up on here. But for the love of everything ever, you’re not the only one tired of this bs. Chad and I fight all the time because I’m realistic and am never pie in the sky.

Can they make the playoffs. Maybe. Super Bowl? No. Other than the browns the next 5 games are very winnable. Panthers browns donkeys Steelers rams

No one will be happier than me to see them at 6-1 this year.

Not holding my breath either.

 

[Chaka]

This generation's GOATs, in order (for now),

Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Rodgers

You could reasonably throw Brees up there too, which would make 4 of 5 picked in spots a team wouldn't need to tank for.

Okay, I concede. Status quo rules!

 

[Bruno2]

Anyone else just a little bit worried this week? The Raiders’ recent history against back up QBs isn’t the best.
I actually think this game vs the Panthers is huge. Are they good enough to destroy the inferior teams (especially home opener)? Or are they going to regress and become complacent.
They should be able to put 30 on that defense which is missing its best player and has a secondary full of waiver pick ups.

 

[LawFitz]

Anyone else just a little bit worried this week? The Raiders’ recent history against back up QBs isn’t the best.
I actually think this game vs the Panthers is huge. Are they good enough to destroy the inferior teams (especially home opener)? Or are they going to regress and become complacent.
They should be able to put 30 on that defense which is missing its best player and has a secondary full of waiver pick ups.

Def a trap game, but I think AP will have them readied to put boots on throats.

 

[Chadstroma]

Adams’s TD being called the “Smooth Criminal”

Also Minshew waking up in the 2nd feel Snakish to anyone?

Smooth Criminal.... that is awesome

 

[Chaka]

Anyone else just a little bit worried this week?

Hi, my name is Chaka. Apparently we haven't met.

 

[Chaka]

Years past this was 100% a game the Raiders lose regardless of who Carolina's QB is.

It will be interesting to see how the team responds with AP at the helm.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Anyone else just a little bit worried this week? The Raiders’ recent history against back up QBs isn’t the best.
I actually think this game vs the Panthers is huge. Are they good enough to destroy the inferior teams (especially home opener)? Or are they going to regress and become complacent.
They should be able to put 30 on that defense which is missing its best player and has a secondary full of waiver pick ups.

I worry on bye weeks

 

[Chadstroma]

Anyone else just a little bit worried this week? The Raiders’ recent history against back up QBs isn’t the best.
I actually think this game vs the Panthers is huge. Are they good enough to destroy the inferior teams (especially home opener)? Or are they going to regress and become complacent.
They should be able to put 30 on that defense which is missing its best player and has a secondary full of waiver pick ups.

I worry on bye weeks

His BP says that is no lie

 

[kaso]

I did like APs answer in his presser yesterday related to the Panthers. He responded saying his focus was on fixing what the Raiders are doing. That the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarter in the Ravens game were all ugly. If that holds true in his game prep, and he and the coaches keep the focus on what they and the players are in control of, I think they can get past a traditional 'trap' game.

 

[Chadstroma]

I did like APs answer in his presser yesterday related to the Panthers. He responded saying his focus was on fixing what the Raiders are doing. That the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarter in the Ravens game were all ugly. If that holds true in his game prep, and he and the coaches keep the focus on what they and the players are in control of, I think they can get past a traditional 'trap' game.

I am not sure this team is in a position to be over confident. I think they are confident in what they can do but I also think that they know that there are a lot of people who expect them to be in the bottom rung of teams. That us against the world mentality goes a long way to neutralizing the 'trap game' affect.

 

[Grahamburn]

Trade for Stafford?

 

[Chadstroma]

Trade for Stafford?

Depends on asking price. At a discount, sure but otherwise I am. Otherwise excited about spending a lot of capital on a clearly declining older QB.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

i don’t get some raider fans, as of week 2 Minshew is tied for second for passing yards, and leads the league in completions and completion percentage. @Chaka what more do you want?

 

[Chaos34]

i don’t get some raider fans, as of week 2 Minshew is tied for second for passing yards, and leads the league in completions and completion percentage. @Chaka what more do you want?

Couldn't agree more. The instant giver uppers in here after week 1 were sad. I wondered if they actually watched the game. I did. Came away thinking this is a tough team and took the points in Baltimore. Ding ding. I just watched this week's condensed game. Impressed. Minshew played a near perfect game. He played ahellalot better than that mess Stafford offered in AZ. Did so against a much tougher D too. I don't know that he was going through reads and making great throws to 2nd and 3rd options, or if the plays were designed for him to look the defense off and what looks like a progression is the actual play design; but either way his execution was brilliant. He's playing great. Open your eyes and tip your caps.

The weapons are outstanding. Adams looks youthful and unstoppable. Bowers. Any of y'all remember my take on Bowers in here after the draft? I said the pick made me a fan. He was my favorite player in the draft. Jakobi is such a nice #2. I hoped they'd pound Zamir after I drafted him in that zero rb build, but they're not. They're using three backs intelligently and Zamir will get his when they play with a lead. Which they will soon enough.

The D is just a gang of hustle following Crosby's lead and Spillane is QBing the thing with force and a very high IQ. Adam Butler made me smile several times with his speed and motor. He was so gassed at the end of the game it looked like he was quitting on plays, but he just had nothing left to give. Good stuff. Great win.

And the coaching is exactly right for this personnel and this franchise. Hell I'm a Cowboys fan. That's no fun. This is fun. It's a process that reminds me of the Lions slowly building over the last few years. It's a battle. It's not a Super Bowl team. It needs more pieces not parting out the ones it has.

 

[Chaos34]

Also my 71 yr old bro needs his 62 yr old little bro for some tech support. I think I'll charge him tickets to the game this weekend. I can fix him up remotely but another ride to Vegas might be the better option. He is much harder to coach on the phone.

Random thought: Caleb would be much better off with this Getsy than Waldron. This Getsy is leading the league in play action, freezing the pass rush, rolling out his qb to protect him from his OL issues. He's scheming guys open for easy plays. Who is this Getsy? Certainly not the same guy who broke Fields.

 

[Chaos34]

Never thought bowers would be the pick.

I did. I said a couple months ago that whoever took him would have me as an instant fan. He is my favorite player in this draft. If I did a big board, he's first, before Caleb, before Harrison. I've been visiting this thread, the Chargers and Bears threads cuz a thought they were the most likely to take him. So congrats on the steal of the draft and thanks a ton. I was starting to worry I might be a Colts fan.

That was April 26th. LFG!!!!!

 

[Tau837]

This generation's GOATs, in order (for now),

Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Rodgers

You could reasonably throw Brees up there too, which would make 4 of 5 picked in spots a team wouldn't need to tank for.

While you are correct in saying this, it is a small sample size. Are you really comfortable picking your next franchise QB at the 10th pick or later? It can work out, but odds are not good.

I also wouldn't put Peyton Manning in the same generation as Mahomes, since he retired after 2015 and Mahomes didn't start playing until 2017. (I'm assuming you are talking Peyton, not Eli.) I guess that boosts your point, thought it lowers your sample size to three.

 

[joey]

The instant giver uppers in here after week 1 were sad

The last two decades called to say hello.

 

[joey]

The instant giver uppers in here after week 1 were sad

The last two decades called to say hello.

But I agree that game 1 was indeed close and winnable, just deflating in how it fell apart against a division rival we should’ve been able to beat.