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2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Jersey number is SRS BZNS ☠ (17 Viewers)

How does Geno compare to Carr when Carr was let go?
I think he's clearly better. I don't think its appreciated how bad Seattle's OL/playcalling was. Geno has been a top 10 QB over the last 3 years in my eyes. I'd honestly take current Geno over Carr at any point of Carr's career.

This is a HUGE upgrade for the Raiders, and for a pretty small price. Outstanding news for Brock Bowers, who now gets a QB who completed 70% of his passes last season.
 
Not thrilled. I was hoping they’d use their 3rd rounder on one of that next group of QBs. I’m sure they have a plan.

If you seriously think any of those guys are even close to better than Geno, you've really got homer blinders (or some sort of blinders) on. They had no better plan than this. Geno still rates highly in big-time throws, etc. His line stunk this year, and yeah, that's on the QB as far as sacks are measured, but Geno got the ball out quickly. And when he had the time, he threw deep.

This is a steal for the Raiders.

eta* Sorry for the blinders comment. That wasn't meant in a mean fashion. It was meant in a "you don't know how good you have it right now" fashion. Perhaps we'll look back on this and I'll be terribly wrong. I think Geno is a good QB right now. He might try to make too many hero throws, but that can be reined if he is constantly surrounded by guys like Chip Kelly, Tom Brady, etc.
 
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Not thrilled. I was hoping they’d use their 3rd rounder on one of that next group of QBs. I’m sure they have a plan.

If you seriously think any of those guys are even close to better than Geno, you've really got homer blinders (or some sort of blinders) on. They had no better plan than this. Geno still rates highly in big-time throws, etc. His line stunk this year, and yeah, that's on the QB as far as sacks are measured, but Geno got the ball out quickly. And when he had the time, he threw deep.

This is a steal for the Raiders.
I admit that I haven’t watched Geno very closely and am probably biased by his many Meh years vs his one breakout year a couple years back. I guess what I’m saying is I’d rather an upside rookie QB with unknowns but HOPE vs a vet retread like Geno who’s had ONE top 5 QB finish (I know that’s fantasy football and not the NFL) and not a single other season above QB17. Not much for me to get excited about.
 
Not thrilled. I was hoping they’d use their 3rd rounder on one of that next group of QBs. I’m sure they have a plan.

If you seriously think any of those guys are even close to better than Geno, you've really got homer blinders (or some sort of blinders) on. They had no better plan than this. Geno still rates highly in big-time throws, etc. His line stunk this year, and yeah, that's on the QB as far as sacks are measured, but Geno got the ball out quickly. And when he had the time, he threw deep.

This is a steal for the Raiders.
I admit that I haven’t watched Geno very closely and am probably biased by his many Meh years vs his one breakout year a couple years back. I guess what I’m saying is I’d rather an upside rookie QB with unknowns but HOPE vs a vet retread like Geno who’s had ONE top 5 QB finish (I know that’s fantasy football and not the NFL) and not a single other season above QB17. Not much for me to get excited about.
Nothing stopping them from taking a QB in the third. I like the move, if for no other reason they won't feel obligated to take Shedeur at #6. The while draft board is open ATM.
 
Super excited about the geno smith trade. For what is out there it’s clearly best option. Younger than stafford and better than darnold. And we still roll the dice and draft a rookie qb but don’t have to reach at 6.
 
Some of the more noteworthy players released...

  • Davante Adams
  • Joey Bosa
  • Evan Engram
  • Tyler Lockett
  • Darius Slay
  • James Bradberry
  • Javon Hargrave
  • Gardner Minshew
  • Jamaal Williams
  • Devin Duvernay
  • Dre'Mont Jones
  • Roy Robertson-Harris
  • Rayshawn Jenkins
  • George Fant
  • Raekwon Davis
Lockett, Bradberry, Hargrave and Williams are the ones that make me the most interested in seeking out potentially bringing to Vegas
BRADBERRY!?!?!
He knows the system and could be added depth.
 
I love it. We still need some help at WR and OL but I'm excited. Draft is wide open now.
I am not sure I love it but I don't hate it. I like how it kind of frees us up to go BPA with the 1st and 2nd. I think we then target a player... Will Howard has to be high on the list, with a later pick. Geno actually seems to be a good fit for what Chip wants to do and there is a strong connection obviously with HC and QB. Finally, old enough and experienced enough to like but young enough not to worry about age. I think it is a good move.... I think it has potential and it really keeps us from over paying on a FA QB or reaching to draft a rookie. One thing I want to see is what the extension will look like which with having one year left is coming.
 
Darnold was the key to that deal. No coincidence that once the Geno deal was announced, every info person connected Darnold to Seattle. Darnold's people went fishing at the combine, and I bet Seattle knows what his cost is. Darnold didn't overplay his hand and ask for too much, so they get younger for I bet similar per year money. Seattle doesn't trade their starter without knowing who the next guy is.

As I see it, both the Kappa and Geno moves were similar in that they potentially plugged a hole, but aren't such long term plays that the team would pass on one in the draft. That is two starters filled, no pressing need to find a starter in the draft. Are either one going to be here in 4 years? Probably not, but there's something to be said for being decent.

The long term impact of this offseason starts now, with our free agent class. They have the money to re-sign anyone they want, so it simply comes down to the team making the right decisions. Spillane, Koonce, Epps, Moehrig, Deablo, Chiasson. Bunch of guys who contributed at different times.

We have had previous seasons where the team couldn't make a lot of moves because of previous regimes, but this group has a clear runway. They have a lot of moves they have to make, a lot of decisions they have to make, right away. I don't think anyone knows their strategy, we haven't heard much about impending free agents.
 
This is a trade that says to me more teams should embrace tanking.

Sure, Geno is better than anything they've had since Carr had that one pretty good season... But what exactly does that get Vegas? An early playoff exit? They're not going to sniff the division title in the next decade.

Not saying they should start minshew for another season, but why not just grab a bunch of late round rookie qbs and see if any of them hit, maybe snag a Purdy. Let your vet be the mentor. Do - something - to not be behind Mahomes for the rest of time.
 
Geno Smith is their solution? 😂😂😂

Now I'm out on a limb. I think this is a steal. A third-round pick? What else are you going to get in the third round?

I could see this working out better than their apparent alternatives. But he's still likely the 4th best QB in the division. Is this enough of an upgrade to make the playoffs?

He might be better than Bo Nix. Is this enough to make the playoffs? Tough division. I don’t know. It makes them more competitive for two years—that’s for sure. Better than the alternatives in the draft.
 
Thought Raider fans would be in here throwing a parade? Some of you are upset??? This is the best qb you’ve had in ages. What a steal.
I don't know about "ages". I'm good with Geno but he is essentially a lateral move from Carr.
 
I am good with this, even with paying mean Geno legit cap, so long as the team has year to year outs in the contract, and the flexibility to draft QB OTF at any point.

Wanted Fields, so not thrilled, but don't hate it either, if the above conditions hold...

Team needed to do something at QB, obviously. Hopefully, this is just step one.
 
I don't get the sense that this is a bridge QB. I think they are going to extend Geno at least 2 years, so 3 years total. I don't think the front office is going to feel any pressure to draft a QB this year. They could easily go with Geno and AOC as the back-up. I know folks are interested in this QB group because we've been looking at them so closely, but next years group is supposedly much more promising.
For those doubting Geno, remember he had the 2nd highest pressure rate in the NFL, believe it or not Seattle's line was worse than ours. And Geno's release time is much quicker than AOC/Minshew. If we get got Tet and Judkins in the first two rounds, Geno could have a lot of fun in that offense.
 
Interesting, the pick we got from the Jets was a 3rd they got from Detroit, so it was Pick 92, not 73. The Jets and Lions made a 2024 draft day trade;

LIONS RECEIVE:
JETS RECEIVE:
  • Round 3, 2025
So all the mock draft simulators were wrong, and no one reported it correctly, or clearly. So the Jets still have 73, and we traded 92 for Geno.
 
Have not had a chance to post much last couple weeks but I wanted to applaud the hiring of Carroll.
Easily the best hiring of anyone so far this off season.
Yeah he's old, yeah the offense isn't gonna be high flying but I anticipate him turning the defense around AND...
I have one big cherry on top of this that I haven't heard mentioned but it was the first thing that went thru my mind when they hired Pete

LVR at No 6 or whatever they pick in the Draft, they likely won't have a QB fall to them in the 1st round and I doubt Pete will trade up.
Carroll will start looking at QBs the Raiders can draft without giving up extra draft capital.
He did it when Seattle drafted Wilson in the 3rd round which gave them a huge advantage for 3-4 seasons, they loaded up at other positions
Seattle was never quite the same after they paid Wilson top dollar and had to make cuts at other spots.

Pete Carroll wrote the playbook on drafting a cheaper QB you can actually start in the NFL and build around them while they are on a rookie deal
I expect him to find at least one arm in this draft and perhaps even 2 and let them compete over the summer and in training camp
I have to believe this type of conversation unfolded when Carroll was interviewing and the fact LVR is mostly QB-Empty at the moment might have been appealing to Carroll
Low expectations or under promise and over deliver.

I think the Raiders will look more like a professional organization over the upcoming season and things will be much brighter by the time Week 1 rolls around
Brady must have had some heavy influence on this, I assume he knows what he's doing. I watched him walk on to my Bucs' team and turn them into Champions quickly
I think Brady will have a huge impact with the Raiders now that he is part owner of the team.
I said Carroll would likely use a 3rd round pick again but I had not anticipated he would trade for his old QB
Still feel like they will look at young arms in the Draft after the first couple come off the board.
Geno will only take them to respectable, he's not going to make the Raiders a huge success
 
Best thing about acquiring Geno is we’re NOT signing Rodgers. Phew.
Or reaching for a QB in the first few rounds of the draft. A QB will likely emerge in a year or two but this is a really weak QB class.

LV can address OL, DL, or WR with pick 6 and grab a quality RB in round 2 or 3. Drafting a RB with pick 6 would be a mistake since there is so much RB talent this year.
 
Drafting a RB with pick 6 would be a mistake since there is so much RB talent this year.

Yeah, I agree with you, but I'm still stuck in the old new way of thinking that you shouldn't break draft or cap capital on a running back. Teams shouldn't see Saquon and get fooled. Guy is a unicorn.
 
Geno is a ceiling 8-10 win QB, Nothing more.
What have the raiders been winning?

It's awfully tough to please anyone when the only acceptable goal is the immediate winning of the next Super Bowl.
Immediate winning of a Super Bowl? No. A nonzero likelihood of competing within the next 2-3 years? Yes. I don't see how Geno moves the needle in that regard and since they gave up a 3rd rd pick, I anticipate an extension coming.
 
Drafting a RB with pick 6 would be a mistake since there is so much RB talent this year.

Yeah, I agree with you, but I'm still stuck in the old new way of thinking that you shouldn't break draft or cap capital on a running back. Teams shouldn't see Saquon and get fooled. Guy is a unicorn.
I fall somewhere in between. RB's have value, but don't spend meaningful capital on them until you're in a window. Every touch for a cornerstone RB when outside the window is unnecessary and wasted wear & tear.
 
I admit that I haven’t watched Geno very closely and am probably biased by his many Meh years vs his one breakout year a couple years back. I guess what I’m saying is I’d rather an upside rookie QB with unknowns but HOPE vs a vet retread like Geno who’s had ONE top 5 QB finish (I know that’s fantasy football and not the NFL) and not a single other season above QB17. Not much for me to get excited about.
It can be both. Geno is no spring chicken, and we still have a 3rd rounder. No one we get will be ready to start right away, this gives us a high caliber bridge QB to go along with our bridge HC. We can draft someone now and give them a year or three to sit and learn. It almost writes itself but Will Howard is probably already browsing Zillow for starter mansions in Vegas.

This gives us instant credibility - with free agents, with our own veterans we want to re-sign, with trade candidates, with rookies that come in. Pete is in it to win it. This isn't a rebuild, don't come in here thinking you can coast for a paycheck while we tank for draft picks. It's a tough road in a loaded division, but we're not going to lay down. I love it, and it's not an overly expensive move giving up a 3rd.

All depends on the price, which is moot now but if other vet QB's become available I'll hold the same line. Stafford makes us a potential 10 win team on day one. Great QB's cost $50M, that's just today's NFL, I have no problem paying that. Hell that's a great problem to have - our QB is so good we have to manage the cap around him. Sign me up for some of that! We have no idea what the Rams would have wanted but if it costs a 3rd rounder to get a guy in the door then so be it, even if we do only get 2-3 years out of him. 3rd rounders aren't guaranteed any return, look at our roster now - Koonce, Diablo, Parhham, Glazer (and of course a guy that was CUT one year later :mad:) - I'd give that up in a flash for a 10 win QB. 2nd rounders are tougher, but if we made it a 2026 conditional 2nd based on wins/performance I could stomach that. Rodgers went for a 2 slot upgrade in the 1st and a future 2nd and we could use that as a cautionary structure fort trade language. But again, moot now regarding Stafford.

This was my response in the wake of the Stafford deal. Geno isn't Stafford and 10 wins might be a stretch in the short term but I see this in a very similar light - 3rd rounders aren't guaranteed anything, and we know we're getting a quality QB in Geno. Now if you're a free agent WR and LVR calls you you're not wondering about Minshew or AOC or some unknown rookie, you know you have a guy that completes 70% of his passes giving you every opportunity to ball out.

The big unknown will be the contract. Geno's gonna want $40M+ but that's the cost of QB's these days. Darnold's gonna get close to that, why not Geno? Kyler Murray got $45M per year and that was three years ago, Cousins got $45M per last year. As long as Geno's not asking for top 5 money I say hand him the checkbook with some zero's already filled in. 3 years, $140M sounds about right.


The next obvious question is whether Metcalf is next. Caution is needed here because after Maxx and Geno the money's going to get tight quickly and we haven't addressed our OL yet. I think we need to bargain shop at WR and let Chip Kelly's system see if it can squeeze out some lemonade. A quick and accurate QB is just what Kelly ordered so let's see if he's the cook we hope he is.
 
I fall somewhere in between. RB's have value, but don't spend meaningful capital on them until you're in a window.

I agree with this. The pendulum had swung too far in the direction of being almost hostile to great RBs like Saquon, but having Saquon on the Giants was still a bit of a waste.
 
Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports that the Seahawks opened trade discussions by broaching the subject of Smith and wide receiver DK Metcalf for defensive end Maxx Crosby, which was quickly shut down.
 
Geno is a ceiling 8-10 win QB, Nothing more.
What have the raiders been winning?

It's awfully tough to please anyone when the only acceptable goal is the immediate winning of the next Super Bowl.

I doubt that is what anyone posting in this thread thinks/feels, so this comment really isn't on point.

IMO for any team that is not a contender, the objective should be to put the team on a path to becoming a contender, even if that takes a number of years. Are the Raiders a contender with Geno? IMO the answer is no. But that may be okay if they can build up the roster talent while he holds down the QB position, as long as they are then able to replace him with a QB who gives them a legit chance at contending. That will still be the ultimate challenge, they are just delaying that by some number of years.

And that is likely complicated somewhat by the fact that Carroll may not have more than a few years as the head coach, meaning there will be a reset coming there also.
 
I doubt that is what anyone posting in this thread thinks/feels, so this comment really isn't on point.

You don't know that. It seems like people who are saying things like "8-10" wins is his ceiling or "Geno Smith is their solution?" with three laughing emojis are getting at something like I'm saying.
 

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