TripleThreat
Footballguy
very much agree on the bold.
liked his bit both about curtailing to talent and mentioning learning zone read when RGIII was drafted because of his skill set and his thoughts on teaching.
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2025 Miami Dolphins - 1-6, Currently hold the #2 pick in the draft. (6 Viewers)
- Thread starter SwampDawg
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liked his bit both about curtailing to talent and mentioning learning zone read when RGIII was drafted because of his skill set and his thoughts on teaching.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wes Welker leaving 49ers to join McDaniels staff as WR coach. Nice poach.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156264-welker-reportedly-leaving-49ers-join-mcdaniels-dolphins-staff/
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156264-welker-reportedly-leaving-49ers-join-mcdaniels-dolphins-staff/
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
-Let's start with McDaniel calling plays, my 1st question is why? He didn't do that in San Fran or anywhere else, why would we want a Rookie Head Coach that will need to spend some of his time with the Defense, 1st year on the job and he's calling the plays even though he's never done it? I can't imagine what could possibly go wrong there.
-He isn't gonna praise the Offense, they are all on potential borrowed time minus i'd say Waddle at the moment, the rest are still auditioning and we'll see if we can salvage anything on that OL, not much at WR after Waddle, is Gesicki gone? All these things will play out.
-Work with Grier on personnel...so on top of everything else, he needs to try and help Grier be a better GM or fill the voids in that matrix, Oof!
-And finally he needs input from coaches I would assume but no mention of any coaches and as of right now it looks like he has the place to himself, think Baker in those Progressive ads in the Stadium.
So basically a guy with no head coaching experience is now our head coach. He's never called plays in an NFL game but he's calling the plays, should attract a quality OC to this team. A man that has never made draft picks is going to have input with Grier who seems eager to listen since his days could be numbered but we've been saying that for a long time.
Is what I said not true?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami as some of you will remember actually drafted Wes Welker and made a terrible move trading him to the New England Patriots for what I believe was a 2nd and perhaps a 5th, this had to be around '07-'08 era and at the time Miami looked like they were getting a solid deal for Wes but that obviously changed once he got there and exploded.
I'm sure Miami will benefit from him coming here, Waddle reminds many in ways of Welker and has that potential to be a monster in the short passing game, slightly limited because of Tua's arm right now.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
not picking on ya @Wingnut but it’s amazing how often people get the name wrong
from Twitterverse:
We have a quarterback named Tuanigamanuolepola Tagovailoa but we struggle with getting McDaniel right
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
WRs under contract:
Hurns, Parker, Waddie
Any guesses in which way they’re headed to address that?
Hurns, Parker, Waddie
Any guesses in which way they’re headed to address that?
Hurns will be gone, Hollins will sign again as a gunner and 4th/5th WR.
In FA, the priorities are OL, LB, and WR. They'll probably get a 2nd tier FA WR and draft one. Five or 6 WRs could go in the first round. I think a BPA edge or WR could be there at 1.29. Miami has the most cap space and they'll clear more.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wingnut comma > Oxford
Lol, my phone does that. I never ever ever manually type an apostrophe. I am hard against it.
Anyhoo, its gonna be interesting to see who else leaves SF to join McDaniel, both players and coaches.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
ICYMI, some pictures of a young Mike McDaniel, his obsession with football at age 9, and how it resulted in a stepfather.
>>You HAVE to watch this. Blake & Brian Olson's @9NEWSSports story from 2000 on young Broncos fan who turned out to be ... I am NOT making this up ... head coach of the Miami Dolphins. There's so much to it, I haven't done it justice. You might get misty.<<
https://twitter.com/TFrei/status/1492357010116923392?s=20&t=NaoQvQTASXJSqioXyDiEXw
>>You HAVE to watch this. Blake & Brian Olson's @9NEWSSports story from 2000 on young Broncos fan who turned out to be ... I am NOT making this up ... head coach of the Miami Dolphins. There's so much to it, I haven't done it justice. You might get misty.<<
https://twitter.com/TFrei/status/1492357010116923392?s=20&t=NaoQvQTASXJSqioXyDiEXw
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
We tendered him as a RFA with 2 picks. He wanted to leave and to be honest, Miami wasn't going to pay him. It was a "good" deal that we screwed up by not drafting anyone of quality w the two picks we got from the Pats. To be honest, in the last 20 years how many draft picks did we even hit on?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami must solve at least 2 of their OL holes in the draft in 2022. This draft is loaded with solid OL at Tackle and even IOL although after the center from Notre Dame, it slims down at that one position very fast, they speak of this guy like he is a future Hall of Fame level type.
Bernhard Raimann plays Tackle for Central Michigan and could be someone Miami can have either late 1st, slide down into early 2nd and get a solid OL that will protect Tua.
Dylan Parham, Memphis and could be a Center or IOL, looked great at the Senior Bowl.
Max Mitchell, another unheralded Tackle we can zero in on later in the draft.
Eichenberg and Hunt are very salvage-able and need a couple other young versatile OL to build a nucleus around or with, Ausin Jackson needs to be in line to hit the bench if he can't cut it at either Tackle or Guard, what a waste of a Middle 1st Round pick.
Bernhard Raimann plays Tackle for Central Michigan and could be someone Miami can have either late 1st, slide down into early 2nd and get a solid OL that will protect Tua.
Dylan Parham, Memphis and could be a Center or IOL, looked great at the Senior Bowl.
Max Mitchell, another unheralded Tackle we can zero in on later in the draft.
Eichenberg and Hunt are very salvage-able and need a couple other young versatile OL to build a nucleus around or with, Ausin Jackson needs to be in line to hit the bench if he can't cut it at either Tackle or Guard, what a waste of a Middle 1st Round pick.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What positions are they going to actually need to try and fill on Defense-Front 5-6-7 and where do they need an upgrade?
DL/DT-Christian Wilkins(#6/111-PFF) will either sign an extension something close to Vita Vea 4/$71M, they exercised his option in April, took all the way to January for him to sign or get what he wants. Believe it or not, only a $4M signing bonus, we're going to see this play out over the summer between the two sides.
DL/DT-Raekwon Davis took a step back but he looked good as a rookie and he's not expensive right now, can always do better but Adam Butler is on the books for about $2.5M next year and I see him being cut. (111th/111-PFF) That's right, Dead Last!!!
DE-Zach Seiler had an incredible year and sometimes he doesn't fill a stat sheet but he redirects a lot of plays. Lucky for Miami they have him in '22 and '23 if they desire, less than $4M a season, well worth the money I would say. PFF-ranked him 3rd overall if you can believe it. 6-6/290 lbs, this is not an Edge or OLB hybrid, he's needed beef on the DLine.
Free Agent but we need to sign him
Edge-Emmanuel Ogbah(#20/106-PFF) His market value is north of $10M per year but Miami has some money to spend and they would be wise to bring him back, Miami paid him $15M of his $20M in career earnings the last 2 years so it's possible he might see some loyalty if they were to extend him for say another 3 years close to his market value or a little over, he would be difficult to replace.
Edge-Jaelan Phillips(91st/106-PFF) I thought the rookie outperformed his PFF ranking but he has a lot to learn if he is ever to move past just being a 1 trick pony but if he just racks double digit sacks on the Edge, that will be just fine.
Edge-Andrew Van Ginkel(69th/106-PFF) Definitely not the same in '21 as he was in previous seasons. AVG will be an UFA in 2023, not sure what they want to do with him but I would try and get him extended or use him as a trade piece of some kind.
What you see here is most of their Front 7 minus OLB Jerome Baker(34th/87-PFF) who is going to be paid $6.5M next year, he also got a $12.5M signing bonus last year, would like to see a little more form him but his contract is not that long either. I think he was hampered with some injuries this year, hope he bounces back next year, he's about all Miami has at LB although Van Ginkel is also more of an OLB, would like to see Miami have 1 true ILB or thumper.
-As you see, as long as they sign Ogbah and they start to discuss Wilkins extension, there's not too many openings here so unless something falls into their laps at #29, their front 5-6-7 is mostly spoken for, they'll look for back ups and support in the free agent market but I wouldn't expect Miami to make a big splash or look for much in the Draft this year.
DL/DT-Christian Wilkins(#6/111-PFF) will either sign an extension something close to Vita Vea 4/$71M, they exercised his option in April, took all the way to January for him to sign or get what he wants. Believe it or not, only a $4M signing bonus, we're going to see this play out over the summer between the two sides.
DL/DT-Raekwon Davis took a step back but he looked good as a rookie and he's not expensive right now, can always do better but Adam Butler is on the books for about $2.5M next year and I see him being cut. (111th/111-PFF) That's right, Dead Last!!!
DE-Zach Seiler had an incredible year and sometimes he doesn't fill a stat sheet but he redirects a lot of plays. Lucky for Miami they have him in '22 and '23 if they desire, less than $4M a season, well worth the money I would say. PFF-ranked him 3rd overall if you can believe it. 6-6/290 lbs, this is not an Edge or OLB hybrid, he's needed beef on the DLine.
Free Agent but we need to sign him
Edge-Emmanuel Ogbah(#20/106-PFF) His market value is north of $10M per year but Miami has some money to spend and they would be wise to bring him back, Miami paid him $15M of his $20M in career earnings the last 2 years so it's possible he might see some loyalty if they were to extend him for say another 3 years close to his market value or a little over, he would be difficult to replace.
Edge-Jaelan Phillips(91st/106-PFF) I thought the rookie outperformed his PFF ranking but he has a lot to learn if he is ever to move past just being a 1 trick pony but if he just racks double digit sacks on the Edge, that will be just fine.
Edge-Andrew Van Ginkel(69th/106-PFF) Definitely not the same in '21 as he was in previous seasons. AVG will be an UFA in 2023, not sure what they want to do with him but I would try and get him extended or use him as a trade piece of some kind.
What you see here is most of their Front 7 minus OLB Jerome Baker(34th/87-PFF) who is going to be paid $6.5M next year, he also got a $12.5M signing bonus last year, would like to see a little more form him but his contract is not that long either. I think he was hampered with some injuries this year, hope he bounces back next year, he's about all Miami has at LB although Van Ginkel is also more of an OLB, would like to see Miami have 1 true ILB or thumper.
-As you see, as long as they sign Ogbah and they start to discuss Wilkins extension, there's not too many openings here so unless something falls into their laps at #29, their front 5-6-7 is mostly spoken for, they'll look for back ups and support in the free agent market but I wouldn't expect Miami to make a big splash or look for much in the Draft this year.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Here is a breakdown of Miami's Secondary or DBs and I might be overlooking 1 or 2 of them but based on what they have signed going into '22, I used Spotrac to help guide me to who is returning this season.
CB-Xavien Howard(23rd/116-PFF) These next two players count $33M Against the Cap and I don't think much will change before the start of next season. Probably a good thing. Howard can be ranked 23rd but we all know he is like Top 3-5.
CB-Byron Jones(47th/116-PFF) Miami continues to realize they overpaid for this guy. It would be nice if Igbo the 1st rounder from 2 yrs ago with Jackson and Tua, be nice if he were alive and pushing Jones but that doesn't seem like it will ever happen.
CB-Noah Igbinoghene-??? 1st Round Bust so far, no way Miami exercises a 5th unless incredible things happen this season.
S-Jevon Holland(4th/92-PFF) Sensational Rookie season, brings a lot of juice, hope he can continue to keep it up.
SS-Eric Rowe(24th/92-PFF) $5M-$6M for him in 2022 vs almost nothing to release him, think he might be staying though with so much free money to spend but they could find a replacement in the draft which will help when they have to pony up for Tua as early as 2023, oh yes stay tuned for that.
FS-Brandon Jones 3rd Rd 70th overall pick in 2020, likely not to be extended unless he makes major leaps this coming year.
-Miami needs 1 strong DB to nail down the slot, Nick Needham was decent and had some good moments but he's a free agent and they can find others who are better. They could use a DB in the Draft at some point but it's not essential. Lot of Safety help can be had as well.
-Overall there aren't a lot of spots that Miami must fill on their Defense. Would love to see someone push Jones to either Nickel or the bench at some point.
CB-Xavien Howard(23rd/116-PFF) These next two players count $33M Against the Cap and I don't think much will change before the start of next season. Probably a good thing. Howard can be ranked 23rd but we all know he is like Top 3-5.
CB-Byron Jones(47th/116-PFF) Miami continues to realize they overpaid for this guy. It would be nice if Igbo the 1st rounder from 2 yrs ago with Jackson and Tua, be nice if he were alive and pushing Jones but that doesn't seem like it will ever happen.
CB-Noah Igbinoghene-??? 1st Round Bust so far, no way Miami exercises a 5th unless incredible things happen this season.
S-Jevon Holland(4th/92-PFF) Sensational Rookie season, brings a lot of juice, hope he can continue to keep it up.
SS-Eric Rowe(24th/92-PFF) $5M-$6M for him in 2022 vs almost nothing to release him, think he might be staying though with so much free money to spend but they could find a replacement in the draft which will help when they have to pony up for Tua as early as 2023, oh yes stay tuned for that.
FS-Brandon Jones 3rd Rd 70th overall pick in 2020, likely not to be extended unless he makes major leaps this coming year.
-Miami needs 1 strong DB to nail down the slot, Nick Needham was decent and had some good moments but he's a free agent and they can find others who are better. They could use a DB in the Draft at some point but it's not essential. Lot of Safety help can be had as well.
-Overall there aren't a lot of spots that Miami must fill on their Defense. Would love to see someone push Jones to either Nickel or the bench at some point.
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SwampDawg
Footballguy
I'm no coaches expert but I like what I see so far from the staff that is coming together.
- Keeping Josh Boyer as the DC allows us to retain the strongest part of the team hopefully with the same scheme.
- Jon Embree as assistant head coach/TE Coach, the same roll he held in San Fran (more on that in a muniute)
- Wes Welker coming back to Miami, he was loved as a WR here and now comes back in the same roll he held with San Fran
- Frank Smith as OC, bringing in another guy with running game and an O-line back ground. McDaniel is going to call plays so this seems like another solid hire of a guy that helped develop Darren Waller. While the Chargers run game was mid pack Austin Eckler was 2nd in RB receptions and had 20 combined TDs.
- Matt Applebaum as OL coach from the same position at Boston College. BC was the #2 rated OL by PFF last year in College football. Combined with Frank Smith's OL background the weakest area of the team seems to be getting plenty of attention.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Josh Boyer/DC: The Phins started off 1-7, this guy was calling the plays on Defense and Flores decided to take over the playcalling on Defense and Miami got a lot better...anyone think that info is not true? I'm going to tie this in with the OC brought in who was the RB coordinator but also has no play calling experience as an OC much the same as Mike McDaniel.
Frank Smith/OC: RB coordinator and OL coach for the LA Chargers...again no play calling experience. It's a ringing theme so far with this entire coaching crew. I will say you need not look far, Chargers and Niners run the ball and they run it well. Seems like all of their RBs have big moments throughout the season when given the opportunity to shine. It has to be because of their OL play and their ability to draft OL/DL in the 3rd-4th-5th-6th, they're not doing this with frontline 1st round picks all up and down the Line although they do have some 1st rounders sprinkled in as well.
I have no doubt Miami will run the ball better than they have since Ricky Williams was tearing things up.
I also believe their Defense is going to regress some but I hope I'm wrong. They can also choose to send some fo the higher priced pieces on their way including Jones at CB who would cost about $8M after June 1st to cut and be done with, he has to send a message and I don't know if everybody gets to stay.
Frank Smith/OC: RB coordinator and OL coach for the LA Chargers...again no play calling experience. It's a ringing theme so far with this entire coaching crew. I will say you need not look far, Chargers and Niners run the ball and they run it well. Seems like all of their RBs have big moments throughout the season when given the opportunity to shine. It has to be because of their OL play and their ability to draft OL/DL in the 3rd-4th-5th-6th, they're not doing this with frontline 1st round picks all up and down the Line although they do have some 1st rounders sprinkled in as well.
I have no doubt Miami will run the ball better than they have since Ricky Williams was tearing things up.
I also believe their Defense is going to regress some but I hope I'm wrong. They can also choose to send some fo the higher priced pieces on their way including Jones at CB who would cost about $8M after June 1st to cut and be done with, he has to send a message and I don't know if everybody gets to stay.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I like Welker coming over a lot and would like to see him ascend to a larger role but am fine with WR Coach for now, think you know where I am going with this but would like to see him elevate to QB-WR coach and eventually possibly an OC position, I believe in that guy but he probably needs to work his way up.
-We had him the building once, for goodness sake don't let him out again. I'm gonna be busting out a Wes Welker Dolphins Jersey, oh yes that's a perfect blend of MoP protest and Support I might add going in and out of the stadium.
Do you not see a theme though of him bringing in other coaches who have less experience than he even does as far as play calling? I was hoping he would surround himself with people who know what they are doing and not others having to learn on the fly as well. Could be magic, could be the Titanic, my tea leaves are not clear yet but off season free agency should start telling us a lot more.
I assume Boyer was negotiated when McDaniel was interviewing, maybe players let it be known they would calm down if one of their own was kept on to coach them on Defense, pure conjecture, maybe Grier knows in order to maintain the peace he needed to try and keep Boyer.
If Miami can continue to build the foundation and let's assume 3-4 of their OL positions are solved going into 2022, they should easily win 9-10 games again and if not I think they will realize they have everything but the QB and they will look into the Draft one more time.
-MoP 2022 Draft Shocker...Miami slides into the top of the 2nd round for whatever deal they can get and take one of the remaining top QB prospects to be the "Back Up" QB or someone McDaniel can groom behind Tua, likely a long shot but I could see Miami getting a rookie QB on a non 1st Rd deal that would allow them to pay the QB almost nothing in the coming seasons while they load up in the trenches and bring in playmakers. There is a way they come out of this smelling like a rose.
We may never know who did what under Flores. He was very secretive - is that the Patriot way under Belichick? Anyway, there are quotes below from Baker and Ogbah praising what Boyer did in December.
Also, Miami had 6 of the first 70 picks in the 2020 draft. Tua, Jackson, Noah, Hunt, Davis (111/111 in pff), and Jones. Only 1 good player and maybe 5 busts. How does Grier still have a job???
>>In mid December, Ogbah and Baker raved about the job Boyer was doing. Ogbah: "Coach Boyer, he’s done a great job disguising plays, all-out blitzes. We kind of went back to our old thing, but I’m glad he’s switching it up and giving offenses different looks, confusing them."<<
https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1492155958046478336?s=20&t=4XOVoy3YMmXekXIxGXeHKg
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The Miami Dolphins OL is SOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD!
peanut gallery: "How bad is it?"
-It's so bad, here's where 4 starters ranked at the end of the year and mind you there are 64 starters at Tackle, 64 starters at Guard, 32 at Center...
RT-Jesse Davis (79th/83-PFF) $4.6M to keep, $1M to release, you tell me. Time to move on I say.
LT-(R) Liam Eichenberg (80th/83PFF) I know he had a rough rookie year but I saw a lot more fight out of him and using his smarts to get the upper hand at times in the one on one battles you must succeed in at Left Tackle. He was better than anything I saw from Austin Jackson, which brings us to his door next.
LG-Austin Jackson (76th/82-PFF) We have seen enough, unless he can legit earn a starting spot I don't want to see him.
RG-Robert Hunt (36th/82) I believe the new coaches can help develop him into a Top 20 Guard in the NFL, that would make him a solid starter for us.
C-Michael Deiter (28th/32-PFF) He's not cheap this year and I would be alright if we move on but he was a 3rd round pick out of Wisconsin, you would think he could play IOL somewhere but he's useless. $2.5M cap save if we release him.
-Miami had 4 of the worst ranked starting OL in the entire NFL and that even includes many reserves or non-starters they are being compared against, that's awful!
Solomon Kindley and Robert Jones are two reserves/practice squad types I would like to see developed before they are tossed out on the streets.
How did Tua survive behind this mess?
peanut gallery: "How bad is it?"
-It's so bad, here's where 4 starters ranked at the end of the year and mind you there are 64 starters at Tackle, 64 starters at Guard, 32 at Center...
RT-Jesse Davis (79th/83-PFF) $4.6M to keep, $1M to release, you tell me. Time to move on I say.
LT-(R) Liam Eichenberg (80th/83PFF) I know he had a rough rookie year but I saw a lot more fight out of him and using his smarts to get the upper hand at times in the one on one battles you must succeed in at Left Tackle. He was better than anything I saw from Austin Jackson, which brings us to his door next.
LG-Austin Jackson (76th/82-PFF) We have seen enough, unless he can legit earn a starting spot I don't want to see him.
RG-Robert Hunt (36th/82) I believe the new coaches can help develop him into a Top 20 Guard in the NFL, that would make him a solid starter for us.
C-Michael Deiter (28th/32-PFF) He's not cheap this year and I would be alright if we move on but he was a 3rd round pick out of Wisconsin, you would think he could play IOL somewhere but he's useless. $2.5M cap save if we release him.
-Miami had 4 of the worst ranked starting OL in the entire NFL and that even includes many reserves or non-starters they are being compared against, that's awful!
Solomon Kindley and Robert Jones are two reserves/practice squad types I would like to see developed before they are tossed out on the streets.
How did Tua survive behind this mess?
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Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Guess the best part of this Hire and offensive staff is they seem to be Run game/ O line heavy. The chargers had a pretty bad O line until Frank Smith showed up and McDaniel (talking to Lebatard) said: look, I've seen the stats and am watching the tape, and yes the o line needs some help. So, in any case, they recognize the issue and are taking steps to solve it. Miami with a semi decent O line likely wins 12 or 13 games last year (maybe more since Tua would not have gotten Murdered by the bills D)
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If I hear you correctly, you're saying that McDaniel should win 11-12 games his 1st year as Head Coach, easily?
-We haven't talked about this yet but he has a pretty stout Defense to start with, that should mean a strong steady ground n pound attack should only make the Defense stronger or even better if they aren't on the field the whole time.
-McDaniel takes over a team off B2B winning seasons, I'm not giving him leeway to start off slowwwww.
I assume he has all the answers to their problems or he wouldn't be here, right?
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Not sure if you are trying to paint me into a corner here, but here goes...
1) Assuming he doesn't start 1-7, is there anywhere to go but up here? Flores started 1-7 and didn't fix the problems the team had in years past: Bad O line and bad rushing attack. MM and his staff seem to be picked for this particular issue so while I do expect it to be a work in progress, anything that improves our running game and O line should improve the overall aspect of this team.
2) Winning seasons don't mean squat to me. Did we make the playoffs? If we win one of those games in September/October we were supposed to win we make the playoffs. Even that is just OK bc what is the point of making the playoffs if you can't get out of the first round? Look at the niners: Flawed team but they made the NFCC game based on a stout run game and defense and ST. Assuming the playoffs likely go through Buffalo or KC for the foreseeable future, having a team that can take the air out of the ball w a strong run game likely is the best idea (unless we can coax marino out of retirement)
3) you are Jaded MOP and thats fine, but why be jaded for MM vs Flores, Gase, Philbin, all the way back to a burnt out Jimmy Johnson?
Finally: Let's assume that Miami was able to get MM to be their OC last year (when Shanahan decided to promote him to OC when he saw Miami sniffing around), do you think we win another game or 2? VS the two headed monster at OC we had last year? Also, the staff he is putting together seems to be solid according to people outside of Miami. Could Flores have done that?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm not trying to play Got'cha,, we're on the same team, believe me but yeah I'm jaded and I don't want the owner to take advantage of you and others loyalty to the Dolphins and turn a blind eye to very apparent problems, challenges and issues from the front office to the gridiron there's plenty of work that needs done.
-The last part feels like a fantasy or what if, I think we are overlooking what Flores was able to do with the Defense, I doubt M&M will produce the same results, hope I'm wrong.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I broke down every position on Defense and the OL, used PFF as a guide but I don't think they are the end all be all.
-There's gotta be more than just a tweak or two on the OL and drafting a potential starting RB.
-What do we do with the 2020 Draft Class?
-Is Eichenberg better than that 80th ranking he pulled?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I respect that he took over for Patricia and also Urban Meyer but these are not exactly top notch offensive teams, his play calling had something to do with his last two bosses being fired, Meyer didn't make it a whole season. His resume isn't that impressive but he has more head coaching experience than anyone else on staff so far.
Welker still by far my favorite assistant coach so far.
Grier has a terrible 2020 draft class, followed by some hits in 2021. Keep him.
Flores starts 1-7, but finishes 8-1. Fire him.
I expect better coaching on offense from the MM coaches, so maybe Jackson and Eichenberg improve. I also expect honesty from MM and if guys from the 2020 class, or any class, can't make it, move on and cut your losses. Tua included.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Pretty interesting o line take on Reddit. Evidently the o line coach under Flores was a Tom cable disciple. His o line methods didn’t jibe w the type of player he had on the line. Basically they couldn’t handle stunts based on the way they lined up pre snap.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
MoP highly optimistic on Eisenberg, they actually traded up to get him and he's not protecting Tua's blind side although i understand Left Tackle far more difficult typically than Right Tackle which also should be factored in. How many 2nd round Tackles are plugged in at Left Tackle from Day 1?
I think Hunt's work speaks for itself, he'll be going into Year 3, not a Pro Bowler yet but solid, not someone I want leaving.
Miami needs a Center, plain and simple. One that isn't a spare part form elsewhere.
-Linderbaum is perfect from Notre Dame and played with Eichenberg, that might be beneficial although i can't point to an NFL team that took 2 players from the same college and it all worked out. Most years you would be able to get a Center in the 2nd-3rd at the earliest, this one has a 1st round grade on him, Miami might have to move up to try and get him, I've seen other mocks where he slides right to them
You stabilize the middle with and build a solid A-gap with Linderbaum-Hunt, Miami will need to also look at either signing a free agent Tackle which honestly there isn't that much to find in the free agent market, couple of guys long in the tooth and require 8 figures yearly, Miami is going to likely need to draft a Tackle at 50 or 101, and then I expect them to use a pick or two in the 4th-5th-6th to bring in a RB and also I think they will use some of that surplus money and bring in the right RB that will excel in M&Ms offense.
Eichenberg-Jackson(???)-Rookie-Hunt-Rookie
Something like that unless they get lucky in free agency, must continue to build thru the draft.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is it safe to say that Miami players on the Offensive Line will be working with perhaps their best OL Coach since prior to Flores? Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember him firing a guy in the 1st camp Year 1 as they were getting ready to go thru preseason and he just let him go over a personality conflict it seemed, and that might have been our first signal he was going to be difficult to deal with. I was applauding at the time because we were coming off a very undisciplined Adam Gase and was happy someone was kicking ### over there...but that easily could have been the jaded MoP.
I rather enjoyed Flores and his staunch demeanor, he didn't take crap from anyone on the team. I knew when he sent Kyle Van Noy on his way though that he feared good leaders that could possibly show him up. That was my take.
-It felt like we were doing it the Coach BB way down here and I certainly felt a huge difference in the way the team went about things. This is going to feel much different. Not necessarily bad but much different.
I think both Frank Smith and Wes Welker are going to make a big difference in the entire offense. All you have to do is look at SF and LAC on game tape and you know what is going to be likely implemented here.
MoP prediction: Waddle won't come anywhere near 104 catches again next year, he was the only WR healthy and we couldn't run the ball, Waddle is fun and exciting to watch but I see a different arc for him with the new coaching staff this year.
Gatorman
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Perhaps a "rosy" view from MOP. Personally, I see a collaborative approach to this group w some really good football minds on the offensive side of the ball and a decent amount of continuity on the defensive side (i think the LB coach Hire was good too). 3 of the coaches on the staff have O line experience in their resumes, that definitely is a plus, and they seem to be setting this thing up like the niners did under Shanahan so that's good too.
We will not know until we see what FA looks like, but what happens if Miami goes after C. Patterson in the offseason (you know, the OG Deebo)
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
-I am guilty of being super rosy when Flores took over the first year, running Kenny Stills and his nonsense out of here, most of our moves were not pre-announced by Schefter on Twitter which felt very Belichick and anything Miami did or does that mirrors that guy is likely a good thing based on our results the last 20 years. Basically anything different than when Dawn Aponte(She went on to the NFL-NYC Offices) was running the ship or the books was a welcome change in my mind. I still feel Flores was largely a success here when you factor in the owner and the fan base too, all were gung ho to tank in 2019, thrilled about the Tunsil trade, etc...
-So MoP is salty towards Ross, Grier, all of it because I feel like we had a decent coach and he was treated wrong. I admit Flores doesn't seem to be very good at managing an Offense, I can stomach that Tua is not great but he didn't do a good job of surrounding Tua with a good OL and strong running game, who's fault is that? At no time in 3 years did Flores ever figure out they at least needed a stud RB to take the heat off Tua?
-How come Flores didn't say "Draft Herbert or you can just fire me now" but my gut says he didn't watch a lot of tape of either Tua or Herbert, why i feel that way? Look at the 3 years he was head coach, our offense was largely a joke when Fitz wasn't running the ship.
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Footballguy
Coach M&M doing everything he can to make a better overall staff of coaches coming here in 2022.
I am pleased to tell you that Dolphins' legend Sam Madison is joining the staff here. He coached last 3 seasons in KC and many of you remember him 4x Pro-Bowler. Madison will be the DB Coach and also pass specialist, whatever that means. So many new terms with asst coaches in the last year or two.
Maybe Tim Bowens would like to come coach the DLine and perhaps Zach Thomas isn't doing a whole lot and would like to come coach up the Linebackers.
The Nostalgia factor, they better go throwbacks ALL YEAR!
I am pleased to tell you that Dolphins' legend Sam Madison is joining the staff here. He coached last 3 seasons in KC and many of you remember him 4x Pro-Bowler. Madison will be the DB Coach and also pass specialist, whatever that means. So many new terms with asst coaches in the last year or two.
Maybe Tim Bowens would like to come coach the DLine and perhaps Zach Thomas isn't doing a whole lot and would like to come coach up the Linebackers.
The Nostalgia factor, they better go throwbacks ALL YEAR!
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Pat Surtain Sr added as well. Wonder if X Howard will be upset he is the third best dolphin CB in the Building?
The old adage is great players don't make good coaches. Hopefully that doesn't apply to position coaches, like Welker, Surtain, and Madison.
Surtain has been a good HS head coach at Heritage High, a program that has produced multiple NFL players. If everything goes well, Boyer will become an NFL head coach in a year or 2, and Surtain will become the defensive coordinator.
Gatorman
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Well, Madison had been the DB coach in KC but there were some rumors that he (much like Bienemy) don’t seem to listen to player feedback. Perhaps Surtain is a buffer there, who knows? I think MM being a dolphin fan allows some leeway in him bringing in these guys who are interested in coaching. Madison and PS certainly know bump and run technique so it works for Boyer’s style of D.
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John Lovett who was a QB-RB-TE at Princeton and bounced around KC and GB has been signed to likely play Fullback for Miami and a position used in the SF Offense being brought over.
SwampDawg
Footballguy
Damn I should have placed a few bets on this date...I was on fire.
Per FBG News:
The Pittsburgh Steelers hired former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores as a senior defensive assistant and linebackers Saturday, Feb. 19. Flores' lawsuit against the NFL and three teams will go ahead.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Sean Payton and Tom Brady
Ross wanted Payton as his coach and Brady as part owner of the team, not sure why Miami fans would want Brady owning their team after he destroyed us for 20 seasons, doesn't add up to me.
Ross wanted Payton as his coach and Brady as part owner of the team, not sure why Miami fans would want Brady owning their team after he destroyed us for 20 seasons, doesn't add up to me.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
Brady already owns the dolphins. This just makes it paper official.
That's quite a headline. Any sources besides Florio? I can't take anything that guy says at face value after the last couple years.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Phinsider but it's still Florio claiming these things.
-It says that Flores' lawsuit spoiled and foiled their plans to sign Payton and were willing to trade to get Coach Sean
-Doesn't that put a little wrinkle into the hiring of McDaniel? We knew he wasn't the first choice but he was way down the list apparently.
Brady cannot be a part owner of the Miami Dolphins for what reason exactly?
-Derek Jeter stepped down for the Marlins today, CEO/Minor Owner and relinquishes both. No real connection but I find it all odd timing.
cheeseypoof
Footballguy
From the Miami Dolphins FB page:
https://youtu.be/GJIzRNdRISs
McDaniel may be a good coach, but based on the above I question whether he’ll be able to command the room when addressing the team.
https://youtu.be/GJIzRNdRISs
McDaniel may be a good coach, but based on the above I question whether he’ll be able to command the room when addressing the team.
SwampDawg
Footballguy
Guessing Peyton would be the choice over pretty much all the coaches hired this year and some of those brought back (McCarthy for sure) so not really sure that is a confidence killer for McDaniel.
I would also assume an owner can't be an active player, hence why Brady can't be part of an ownership group until retires.
Would live the idea of Jeter, one of my favorite athletes of all time becoming an owner of the Fins but guessing that is just a coincidence.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's difficult to see him command the room and I have a feeling just like the Payton/Brady story that we are going to hear some more embarrassing stories about Ross and Miami as the off season rolls along.
