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2025 Miami Dolphins - 1-6, Currently hold the #2 pick in the draft. (7 Viewers)

Gatorman said:
Florio has been wrong about everything....
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TripleThreat said:
He's been on my ignore list for the longest.  Just rumor mongering and fabrications
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I've posted before but Floria is very black and white, Good-Bad and not much in between. I'm not a huge fan of his sidekick either but Simms has a lot of fans out there.  A shadow of what Rich Eisen puts out daily. I understand Eisen works directly for the NFLN and he is the face of the network but he always seems to understand how most fans feel about whatever the news story is. 

I do not watch ProFootball Talk when and if I am making the Sports rounds in the morning, never seems to grab my attention. 

Tyler Van Dyke would look awful nice going from Miami to Miami

 
Caught a puff piece on "Dolphins TV" about McD and Grier and the combine.  One thing that stood out was McD gave the scouts a presentation on what kind of RBs and Linemen he likes for his game plan with cut ups of how he looks to use them.  Hopefully this makes things more transparent to the scouts.

PS.  I love the "about face" on transparency from this new regime in how much we are seeing and hearing McD out in he press.  Not sure if that was part of the job description or if McD is that kind of guy but I love it.

 
Lot of clips from McDaniels circulating on social media today from the combine. Like his personality a lot, he just seems very genuine.

 
Desert_Power said:
Lot of clips from McDaniels circulating on social media today from the combine. Like his personality a lot, he just seems very genuine.
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Love this guy.  You really get a sense that he enjoys this.  Nice to see someone who appreciates having his dream job and isn't in the "top secret say nothing" camp of BB and co.

 
I'm thinking that if Malik Willis is there at 29, either DET trades up or someone trades back into the first to get him.  

ETA OFC he could be and probably should be long gone by then.  

 
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This franchise tag will also allow them to negotiate a deal with Gesicki who might look at a 4/$45M deal a little different than if he has to play under a tag for only 1 year and risk injury and never getting that contract he desires and partially deserves. Not sure he is worth over $10M a season but he is better than almost anything else we are likely to sign or bring in here. He has worked hard and I'm happy they are deciding to keep him. Good locker room and energy guy, should fit well with Coach M&M's style and personality around here.  

 
So...Jordan Love...depending on the asking price any interest in bringing him in as competition with Tua?  I would think he grades out above any of this years draft class and has experience of sitting a couple years behind an all time great to learn.

 
I think acquiring Love will be price prohibitive. 
Im not opposed to competition, I’d rather get the OL settled and I’m almost at the cost be damn*d stage. 

 
TripleThreat said:
I think acquiring Love will be price prohibitive. 
Im not opposed to competition, I’d rather get the OL settled and I’m almost at the cost be damn*d stage. 
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Agree with you and will not be surprised if Coach M&M has a plan for Austin Jackson, either starting or being traded for minimal value but sometimes you gotta cut your losses and move on. Jackson could fill a Tackle spot, maybe slide Eich over to right Tackle next to the athletic Hunt who i think is going to be perfect as a "pulling guard" in the new run offense. 

Jensen would solidify the middle and perhaps they keep AJ at left Guard and look in the Draft for another LT or Tackle spot if they don't sign 2 OL in free agency. 

-MOP Notes...Duke Johnson didn't look bad when he was taking snaps towards the end of the year, maybe the OL would have looked a little better with a more dynamic RB leading the way. With no run game to keep opposing defenses honest, Tua had less than 2 seconds most of the time to make a decision. I'd like to see this fixed so we can see if we even have a decent game manager or guy that can maybe not be the BIG ARM but the counterpuncher. You need a great defense and a great OL/run game to do that, Miami won 2 Super Bowls with that recipe. 

There's not a lot of great skill positions guys in the upcoming Draft

RB in the Draft i am circling in on is Dameon Pierce, not sure why he didn't get the ball more there. Tyler Allgeier also interests me for some similar reasons, yards after contact. The ability to not get taken down on the first sneeze, something Miami wasn't good at last couple years. 

Cheers TT

 
Leonard Fournette is set to hit the free agent market. 

-He already has a ring and likely wants the most money he can get or something close plus a chance to be the starter, all those things add up to a potential Miami landing spot. 

-I'm a fan and watched him carry the Bucs thru the Playoffs and help Brady. I know he also had issues in Jacksonville but that place is messed up and I won't completely hold him in a negative light over it. Still I understand some folks don't particularly like him but he is very effective. I think he could be a strong anchor and still add thru the Draft if something falls but there isn't a surefire guy. Dolphins need to spend large on their OL and getting a dynamic playmaker at RB if not a work horse to ease the burden of the passing game. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Leonard Fournette is set to hit the free agent market. 

-He already has a ring and likely wants the most money he can get or something close plus a chance to be the starter, all those things add up to a potential Miami landing spot. 

-I'm a fan and watched him carry the Bucs thru the Playoffs and help Brady. I know he also had issues in Jacksonville but that place is messed up and I won't completely hold him in a negative light over it. Still I understand some folks don't particularly like him but he is very effective. I think he could be a strong anchor and still add thru the Draft if something falls but there isn't a surefire guy. Dolphins need to spend large on their OL and getting a dynamic playmaker at RB if not a work horse to ease the burden of the passing game. 
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:confused:    Wait, are you thinking that McDaniel does NOT shift towards the wide zone blocking system he's used to & instead goes with a power running scheme?

 
higgins said:
:confused:    Wait, are you thinking that McDaniel does NOT shift towards the wide zone blocking system he's used to & instead goes with a power running scheme?
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He's got pretty good hands for a big guy and I think he can function fine in that running style you speak of, he's not slow, he's just built bigger and can break tackles. Also isn't a zone blocking scheme pretty much one foot in the ground and then you cut n go? Not a lot of dancing around. 

Patterson has been linked but I am not as big a fan of this handing off to the WR in the backfield as everyone else. I haven't pot committed to Coach M&M yet as some other Miami fans, I still am not sure he knows what he is doing so all we're projecting is what we know about SF and other places where Shanahan has been. 

 
Can I get a Dolphin perspective on McDaniels? Personally I love the dude’s persona but not sure it will hold up under the pressure of NFL coaching.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Can I get a Dolphin perspective on McDaniels? Personally I love the dude’s persona but not sure it will hold up under the pressure of NFL coaching.
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@TripleThreat and @Gatorman would be much better in posting about him. Towards the bottom of the last page if you scroll back, I think someone linked a video of Coach M&M which is what I refer to him as. I don't particularly care for him and he's going to have to prove himself. Like Omar Kelly(the worst) says "Show me the Playoffs" and anything short is a failure when you take over a team off B2B winning seasons, 19-14 over '20 and '21.

-First off he wasn't the No 1 choice. In fact, let's start with the fact that Brady was going to be named minority owner of the team until Flores unloaded the lawsuit, did you know that? And Did You Know that Sean Payton was going to be hired and traded for as Miami's next coach. Miami was never able to try and get Harbaugh who would have been terrific here, 44-19 as a head coach, we would have welcomed him here. 

-Coach M&M was not the first or second guy on the list here, maybe not the third or fourth either. He's never called plays in Kyle Shananhan's offense and some of us aren't impressed that he graduated from Yale. He looks like DJ Mark Farina from the SF House scene who I've had the pleasure of booking many times. 

-Total unknown, we needed a guy with experience and they continue to hire an OC/DC darling that doesn't understand both sides of the football, mostly 1 trick ponies that should have stayed as an OC/DC. Flores was different, went 10-7 in 2020 and unfortunately we have an owner that attracts mostly bad candidates. The best and brightest typically don't want anything to do with Stephen Ross which is why Flores demanded his money was fully guaranteed and got it. He was the only coach who was given those teams, that's how bad ownership is in Miami. 

Cheers!

 
Ministry of Pain said:
@TripleThreat and @Gatorman would be much better in posting about him. Towards the bottom of the last page if you scroll back, I think someone linked a video of Coach M&M which is what I refer to him as. I don't particularly care for him and he's going to have to prove himself. Like Omar Kelly(the worst) says "Show me the Playoffs" and anything short is a failure when you take over a team off B2B winning seasons, 19-14 over '20 and '21.

-First off he wasn't the No 1 choice. In fact, let's start with the fact that Brady was going to be named minority owner of the team until Flores unloaded the lawsuit, did you know that? And Did You Know that Sean Payton was going to be hired and traded for as Miami's next coach. Miami was never able to try and get Harbaugh who would have been terrific here, 44-19 as a head coach, we would have welcomed him here. 

-Coach M&M was not the first or second guy on the list here, maybe not the third or fourth either. He's never called plays in Kyle Shananhan's offense and some of us aren't impressed that he graduated from Yale. He looks like DJ Mark Farina from the SF House scene who I've had the pleasure of booking many times. 

-Total unknown, we needed a guy with experience and they continue to hire an OC/DC darling that doesn't understand both sides of the football, mostly 1 trick ponies that should have stayed as an OC/DC. Flores was different, went 10-7 in 2020 and unfortunately we have an owner that attracts mostly bad candidates. The best and brightest typically don't want anything to do with Stephen Ross which is why Flores demanded his money was fully guaranteed and got it. He was the only coach who was given those teams, that's how bad ownership is in Miami. 

Cheers!
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This was the pessimistic dolphin fan perspective. 
 

the optimist would say here is a guy who seems to be a bit of a savant. So much so that Kyle S would not allow him to interview for OC when asked by both miami and the chargers last year. Granted he wasn’t a “buzz” name during the hiring cycle but he’s assembled a hell of a coaching staff on both sides of the ball (maybe with the exception of the DC he tried to get that I’m drawing a blank on right now). 
 

The guy is the anti-Flores. He’s open, honest, and collaborative. He was the darling of the combine last week and as with any “fresh start” you want to be hopeful. He’s saying the right thing about the o line, qb, wr, and rb position. Gesecki being resigned means he is going to work w what he has rather than go after his “prototype “ for his “system”. Ogbah not being signed yet is concerning bc you don’t want to have the offense rise while the defense falls. 
 

finally, while every season is different Miami w a better o line scheme, Tua not getting killed by the bills and missing games etc likely nets us 1-2 more wins and we do make the playoffs. If we get a semi-competent offensive system with some (not much) defensive backsliding and miami should be in the think of things.  Are they in a position to challenge the bills or chiefs?  Maybe not. Could they be this years bengals?  That would be the ceiling I think. 

 
I'm a fan of MMcD and am happy he's the coach.

I'm genuinely excited about how he can shape the offense and am hopeful that he can finally fix the OL.  I think we can all say having a good stable reliable OL is something we've wanted and lacked seemingly forever.  

OFC he still has to win games but I don't have doubt about his leadership.  

 
TripleThreat said:
I like the hire. Look forward to seeing his staff...  
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TripleThreat said:
I get fired up listening to him. Glad we got him.   
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TripleThreat said:
I'm a fan of MMcD and am happy he's the coach.
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Oh we know  :lmao:

I don't rebuttal or take you and the rest of the M&M fan club to task because I want to win as badly as you all...I'm not a pessimist although that was Gatorman who said that. I prefer realist and minutes keeper because sometimes I have to re-run the film/tapes/audio of what has happened over the years. Also referred to as jaded at times. 

-It's blind faith, the guy has no proven track record being the sole provider of play calling as an OC and yet he is the savior coming in here to revamp our offense, call me a skeptic right now. I'm sure like always, Miami is about to go on a big spending spree and look like a Playoff team on paper, we've seen it many times down here. 

I saw @Gatorman say 1-2 more wins so he's projecting an 11-12 win season, do you concur? I think he HAS to HIT that or he'll be seen largely as a failure, there's no going back at this point, we rebuilt and he has to move the needle in terms of wins to whatever gets them a wildcard spot. If Miami does slightly better on offense but the defense runs South on them, and they slip to say 7-10, 8-9...what's going to be the excuses then?

It's good we get this out of system now, the fun stuff is getting ready to unfold in terms of new personnel and the first signals as to what this team is going to actually look like in 2022. 

 
MoP I’m not big on preseason projections and IMO there’s no sense before FA and the draft is over.  
 

FTR my enthusiasm was heightened after his staff hires… I like the direction. The teaching.  (Something that Flo and some of the D staff was good at, however it wasn’t a strength of his Offensive staff… any of them) 

 
TripleThreat said:
MoP I’m not big on preseason projections and IMO there’s no sense before FA and the draft is over.  
 

FTR my enthusiasm was heightened after his staff hires… I like the direction. The teaching.  (Something that Flo and some of the D staff was good at, however it wasn’t a strength of his Offensive staff… any of them) 
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Very good point, I agree that Flores did not surround himself with the best he could, in fact I might say he purposely didn't want anyone on staff that thought they were smarter than he was. Flores felt threatened by rising stars at OC and DC, at least it felt that way at times. 

 
TripleThreat said:
Looking back Flo’s decision to go with Brissett for soo many games doomed the season. 
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As I remember it, Tua had busted ribs and I believe he was hurt a large chunk of the season with the rib protector they designed special for him so he wouldn't take direct shots in there. Also this was a contributor to why he had to get rid of it so fast on top of a shaky OL. Busted ribs as a QB seems like almost impossible to throw, difficult to just breathe. Sore and painful for a long time even after the cracks seal and heal. He was nursing a broken hip socket his rookie season, guy has been hurt most of the time and I'm not fishing here, that's fact. 

-But again the OL isn't helping him or hasn't to this point. It's a broken record, one we all believe needs fixed so I hope that's where the main focus is to start.

-Our Defense gets lit up by the better teams, that's another issue I want to dive into sometime soon, things are not perfect on that side of the ball either.  

 
yep, he's been injured and shows to thrive he needs a competent OL at a minimum. I'm sure you also remember when he was healthy enough to be a backup but not enough to start?  and showed himself playing golf on his off day...   

I firmly believed and said at the time that Reid Sinnett was our best chance to win some of those games.  

 
TripleThreat said:
yep, he's been injured and shows to thrive he needs a competent OL at a minimum. I'm sure you also remember when he was healthy enough to be a backup but not enough to start?  and showed himself playing golf on his off day...   

I firmly believed and said at the time that Reid Sinnett was our best chance to win some of those games.  
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I never understood what that meant but I also assumed Tua was in pain when he was playing most of the year. I still think even if he was playing golf, big jump to taking weekly hits but I believe you are pointing the spotlight on his coaches. They did not believe in him and that's kinda sad and one of the many reasons I felt sorry for Tua. That's not a good feeling as a fan, to feel empathy/sympathy for Tua or your starting QB, part of you wants to remove them from the field of play and that's not good. If you recall Flores also spoke about protecting him when he was a rookie, one of the reasons he wasn't starting him right away. 

There's a lot we don't know, just writing this out I can tell I'm in the dark a lot on what was happening behind the scenes. I want to try and approach it with a fresh set of eyes but there are some things we've seen to this point, hard to dismiss. Still i want to see him get a shot with talent around him. Mariota had a solid team around him for several years as it was being built up in Tennessee and then finally they felt they needed to try and make a move at QB, they still might feel that way with Tannehill. 

Thanks TT, good stuff. Reid Sinnett, there's a name. 

 
Took a break from here after Flores' revelations about being bribed to lose games.  Was just too disgusted to even be concerned about this team after hearing that and if it is confirmed and Ross stays on, I will never root for him to have any success, and at 51 years old after a life of fandom, I will be officially out.  

However, until then, I cant quit this team and I am pretty excited about them, as I always am at this time of year.

Copper would have been great but maybe prudent to avoid that contract.  Doesnt seem too popular, but I really like DJ Chark.  As fantasy degens, we here all know what he did in 2019 with no team around him and a rookie 6th rounder at QB.  I dont think the non-FFB community fully understands how impressive that was.  He also comes with a nice pedigree from LSU as a 2nd round pick.  Shockingly, Tua would immediately become the most accomplished QB he has ever payed with, aside from those 2 glorious quarters with Nick Foles.  I dont imagine he will cost much.  Well, at least relative to what Cooper costs.

We have our WR1, and some solid compliments with Parker and Gesicki.  I think the bulk of our war chest needs to go toward 3 day 1 starters on the OL, and if we can get DJ at $10M or less, I love that.  We dont need an alpha.  We have one.  

 
ChuckLiddell said:
Took a break from here after Flores' revelations about being bribed to lose games.  Was just too disgusted to even be concerned about this team after hearing that and if it is confirmed and Ross stays on, I will never root for him to have any success, and at 51 years old after a life of fandom, I will be officially out.  

However, until then, I cant quit this team and I am pretty excited about them, as I always am at this time of year.

Copper would have been great but maybe prudent to avoid that contract.  Doesnt seem too popular, but I really like DJ Chark.  As fantasy degens, we here all know what he did in 2019 with no team around him and a rookie 6th rounder at QB.  I dont think the non-FFB community fully understands how impressive that was.  He also comes with a nice pedigree from LSU as a 2nd round pick.  Shockingly, Tua would immediately become the most accomplished QB he has ever payed with, aside from those 2 glorious quarters with Nick Foles.  I dont imagine he will cost much.  Well, at least relative to what Cooper costs.

We have our WR1, and some solid compliments with Parker and Gesicki.  I think the bulk of our war chest needs to go toward 3 day 1 starters on the OL, and if we can get DJ at $10M or less, I love that.  We dont need an alpha.  We have one.  
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Agree about Stephen Ross, I have a thread dedicated to him on the very topic of the $100k, just type in Stephen Ross and it comes up. I hate the guy and there is a little piece of me that understands why he would want to lose every game but all he had to do was tell the coaching staff to just do enough and no more that 1st season. 0-7 and they screw it up but if we had taken Herbert we wouldn't be having these discussions right now IMHO. 

-I like your plan. I think 1 big Free Agent starter on the OL, draft one other Day 1 Starter on the OL, add in 2 cornerstones, Eich, Jackson and Hunt and let 'er rip. Austin Jackson btw did not rate high at all for his work at LG, some of you might have seen some things but I thought he looked worse at OG, put him back at Tackle and let him sink or swim. 

-The Draft is loaded with OL, 3 Tackles are sure fire Top 10 level picks. Neal, Cross and Ekwonu are at the top of the list. You have other like Rainman from one of the directional Michigan schools that has a 1st round grade but can be had at the #50 pick potentially. Linderbaum from Iowa at Center but you'll have to get him in the Top 20. 

-Again the 3rd-5th rounds should be places they can find line depth and potential starters along the interior. 

 
TripleThreat said:
Wouldn’t be surprised if we have 2 new OL after the legal tampering begins. 
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Agreed. I think the dolphin free agency looks like top tier oline men (2), mm (sf) style rbs (2), a linebacker and an edge rusher (maybe 2 if ogbah goes elsewhere) and a fullback. Secondary needs that need to be filled either mid tier or low cost are a wr and a fb and a backup qb (low cost vet) 
 

draft is loaded with d line, wr, o line, and rb so whatever we don’t spend on in fa we are likely looking to at draft time. 

 
Gonna be interesting.  I'll take armstead (i know its gonna cost a lot and he has the injury history but I don't care), Jensen for c, a wr at around 8m (maybe juju or landry if the browns cut him) .   Then draft another wide receiver (London or dotson) at 29 for when Parker sprains a pinky toe and walker for rb at 50.  I want lots of weapons for tua bc if he can't thrive with that group, I'm replacing his ### in 2023 with our 2 firsts.   I'll also add someone like gregory or Reddick to replace ogbah so the defense doesn't feel left out. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
John Lovett who was a QB-RB-TE at Princeton and bounced around KC and GB has been signed to likely play Fullback for Miami and a position used in the SF Offense being brought over. 
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Gatorman said:
Agreed. I think the dolphin free agency looks like top tier oline men (2), mm (sf) style rbs (2), a linebacker and an edge rusher (maybe 2 if ogbah goes elsewhere) and a fullback. Secondary needs that need to be filled either mid tier or low cost are a wr and a fb and a backup qb (low cost vet) 
 

draft is loaded with d line, wr, o line, and rb so whatever we don’t spend on in fa we are likely looking to at draft time. 
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And hey what do you think this is, a grocery store? We just pull all this stuff off the shelves and put em in the cart and head to nearest check out, is that right?  :lmao:

Just teasing, hope we can fill many of these spots and also interested in guys under the radar we don't see coming. 

 
NutterButter said:
Gonna be interesting.  I'll take armstead (i know its gonna cost a lot and he has the injury history but I don't care), Jensen for c, a wr at around 8m (maybe juju or landry if the browns cut him) .   Then draft another wide receiver (London or dotson) at 29 for when Parker sprains a pinky toe and walker for rb at 50.  I want lots of weapons for tua bc if he can't thrive with that group, I'm replacing his ### in 2023 with our 2 firsts.   I'll also add someone like gregory or Reddick to replace ogbah so the defense doesn't feel left out. 
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That'll be $38 Million, please pull around to the first window.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
And hey what do you think this is, a grocery store? We just pull all this stuff off the shelves and put em in the cart and head to nearest check out, is that right?  :lmao:

Just teasing, hope we can fill many of these spots and also interested in guys under the radar we don't see coming. 
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Everyone thinks they're just ordering from Amazon.  

 
Za'Darius Smith, please pick up the teal n orange courtesy phone.

2 of the last 3 seasons he has recorded 12.5 sacks or more, last year I think he only was able to play 1 game for the Packers 

2019-13.5

2020-12.5

2021-played in 1 game

29 years old, 6-4/275 not just a pass rush specialist but certainly that is where he makes his coin and presence felt. Maybe grab hi over Ogbah I'm thinking. 

 
SoBeDad said:
Meh. Small upgrade over Gaskins. Still need OL improvements. The draft is deep in C/G. Need an OT in free agency.
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Honestly, Gaskin is probably better. Edmonds is a 3rd down RB, who can't run in between the tackles and has a YPC greatly affected by the Cards running draws on 2nd and 3rd and long. Edmonds also benefitted from Murray's presence. 

 
travdogg said:
Honestly, Gaskin is probably better. Edmonds is a 3rd down RB, who can't run in between the tackles and has a YPC greatly affected by the Cards running draws on 2nd and 3rd and long. Edmonds also benefitted from Murray's presence. 
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Maybe it's a scheme issue, with Edmonds being a better RB in their wide zone blocking. IDK. But Gaskins regressed a little in 2021 IMO. He looked hesitant at times and wasn't as elusive after the catch as he was in 2020. Duke was much better behind the same oline. I think they could resign Duke and even Mostert if he's cheap. And a RB with one of their 4th rounders is possible. Doaks could be the short yardage back and a special teamer.

 
TripleThreat said:
Miami signs Chase Edmonds 2y 12.6M per Schefter
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I was watching that on the ESPN ticker earlier, I was happy but not over the moon. 

I like the fact he hasn't taken a lot of wear n tear although he gets injured anyways. He has a lot more skills than anyone else we have had around here, like him don't love him but I could get excited if he has a career year this season. 

Looks like they might go with a 2 or 3-Back rotation. 

Takes the pressure off the Draft having to reach for someone. They might sign another RB before they are done. 

 
Chase Edmonds definitely was not signed to run between the Tackles and he might not get a lot of carries but I find this interesting over the last 2 seasons. 

96 receptions 1750yds rush/rec, 213 carries, 7 Tds

He only started about a dozen games and again battled a lot of injuries, missed a large chunk of time last year. 

He is what you call a jack of all trades and I thought I read notes that Coach M&M likes players who can operate in a lot of different settings and plays to keep the defenses guessing what you are actually calling or running. 

Cards OL was nothing special last few years IMHO, it's possible his best days are ahead. 

 
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