need2know
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I like tua but I think he's gonna get less than all those guys listed. Just a hunch
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2025 Miami Dolphins - 1-6, Currently hold the #2 pick in the draft. (8 Viewers)
- Thread starter SwampDawg
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I like tua but I think he's gonna get less than all those guys listed. Just a hunch
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Why?
I'm juts curious
Why would he get less than Herbert, they've been to the same number of Playoff games and won the same number
I think just about any QB that has flashed some of his skills and has the numbers he has last couple of years, they can't pay him $25M-$30M a season
There is no market other than Top 5 when these QBs get ready to extend
need2know
Footballguy
I know he's better than Herbert. I think he's going to get dinged because of the injury stuff. If he makes it through this year with no injuries he might get it. But he's hurt alot....
SwampDawg
Footballguy
I think a lot of it like you said depends on how the year plays out. He stays healthy and continues putting up numbers and wins (which if healthy I believe they will) and they make some noise in the playoffs, let's say make the AFC championship but lose to Mahomes and the Chiefs then I think you something just under $300M with $200M guaranteed and a $50M signing bonus. The guarantee will be slightly less then Herbert and Burrow because of the injury history but the larger signing bonus will be a thank you for this season as well as offset the lower guarantee. Now if the offense tails off and they go one and done in the playoffs with Tua playing poorly then maybe it is more like Hurts. the only way I see over $300M and over $220M guaranteed is with a Super Bowl win.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I always like to let our guests have the last word like @need2know who I appreciate dropping by. But since we have so many posts now back and forth,
i have an idea and just want to set the table based on these recent deals. The signing bonus comes straight to the bank in an armored truck
What I'm saying is that gets instantly deposited
Hurts $23M sign bonus but still has to play out his 4th year on his rookie deal just like Tua is playing for $4M this year in 2023.
Herbert $16M
Burrow $40M
And I believe the new contract takes place in lieu of the 5th year option, they don't play out Year 5 and then start the new deal, so most of these guys will see between $30M-$40M-$45M+ a season depending on how much they got upfront.
I'm with @SwampDawg, they are going to give Tua a BIG Signing Bonus and there is no way around it, assuming he plays out the rest of the year and I don't even think he has to hit the AFCC, as long as he can start 17 games and any Playoff games, maybe win 1 in the Playoffs and that's with no Start LT-LG-C for much of the year, fingers crossed his blind side holds up the rest of the way.
I could see him getting a $60M, $75M singing bonus like Lamar Jackson received, but perhaps not as long a deal.
3/$175M ALL guaranteed with a fat singing bonus and a cap friendly salary with the Cap moving up to $250M+, then a projected $285M+ in '25, they can redo it again in 2-3 years and then get ready for the longer contract so he can play his entire career in a Phins' uniform.
FTR: MoP is not the biggest Tua supporter at QB, love the man off the field and everything he does as a teammate for everyone, great relationship with his coach and the fans love him.
That said, I don't think he is amazing, his ability to stay healthy and on the field is unsettling sometimes.
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Gatorman
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I read somewhere that Tua has taken the most qb “hits” this season (not sure the source). In any case (and not to jinx it) but he does seem to be playing smarter when it comes to being hit. I also think the system is set up for fast plays no more runs and that is helping
as to the second point: the contract: it’s not my money and i think as long as Miami keeps drafting speed it should be all good. figure our tackles are going to get “cheaper” over the next few years mainly bc they are going to have to draft them. Of all the “good” teams in the nfl right now only Miami and San Fran have “rookie deal” guys. Cap keeps rising so just being smart with restructures and dead money matter
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I am 100% with "it's not my money" and you know I hate Stephen Ross with a passion so I am all for let's spend that rotten SOB's money
It changed a lot of my will to discuss contract extensions for a lot of these players, I've done a pivot from judging them solely on performance,
you just are going to have to pay the QB at some point, we were lucky to squeak into Year 4 and not have to extend like Philly-LAC-CIN although it's mostly a great problem to have
With Tua, there still seems to be doubts. I think it's all system mostly, gets the ball out quickly to cover up a patch work OL and the fact he shouldn't be taking big hits.
But I don't sit here and needle him or ride him in fact I have posted a few times "Ge OFF Tua's Back" and that's mostly to remind myself...he's good at a lot of things,
his arm strength is still a mystery though. I've enver seen a QB with the types of windows he has to step up and throw, meaning sometimes when Connor and Hunt are both playing, the oppsoing DL is just moved out of the way and Tua gets the prettiest lanes to step up and throw BETWEEN the hashes not outside them
It's like a Broadway show and the curtains go up revealing the field, that's what it reminds me of when we get to see from the QB POV or close to that when Tua is stepping up inside the pocket, it's absolute poetry in motion when it all works.
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Footballguy
Hip injury for Tyreek Hill. Didn’t practice today.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Dolphins’ RB Raheem Mostert did not practice today due to an ankle injury.
rockaction
Footballguy
I wonder if those two injuries aren't maintenance days for vets. They could very well be hurt, but we know how these things go, especially coming off of a later Sunday performance from an intense game.
Mostert is probably a vet day. Not sure about Tyreek. Under McDaniel, the Dolphins are Belichick-like with their injury reports. Should know more tomorrow.
>>Regarding Tyreek Hill's issue (to be disclosed soon on injury report), Tua said: "Somewhere down the line, we’re going to get Tyreek back." Waddle declined to say if Hill would play Sunday. Today was first day he didn't practice. Was in injury tent Sunday but came back to game...
Tyreek's ailment is hip. Not seen today in locker room. Didn't practice. Tua said we will see Hill again "down the line"..McDaniel speaks before practice, so this didn't come up today. Mostert (ankle), Rob Jones (personal), Holland (concussion), Ingold (foot) also didn't practice<<
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Footballguy
No way in hell Hill misses the Chiefs game.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Early Injury Report is not looking good
The Phins have not been beaten by any teams they likely should beat.
New England at 2-5 is a team they should beat handily but this is looking more and more like Pats in an upset
New Eng has a lot of momentum after taking down a slightly depleted Buffalo team, Miami is loaded with injuries on Offense, Hill could miss Week 8, Mostert is ailing and that's with Achane already on injured reserve, we're in trouble this week, don't overlook New England, so thankful Coach BB got Win No 300 last week instead of against us.
Would prefer to avoid 301 this Sunday at Hard Rock
The Phins have not been beaten by any teams they likely should beat.
New England at 2-5 is a team they should beat handily but this is looking more and more like Pats in an upset
New Eng has a lot of momentum after taking down a slightly depleted Buffalo team, Miami is loaded with injuries on Offense, Hill could miss Week 8, Mostert is ailing and that's with Achane already on injured reserve, we're in trouble this week, don't overlook New England, so thankful Coach BB got Win No 300 last week instead of against us.
Would prefer to avoid 301 this Sunday at Hard Rock
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TripleThreat
Footballguy
Practicing today
TripleThreat
Footballguy
So is Mostert
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Footballguy
Tyreek Hill is back at Dolphins’ Thursday practice, as are Raheem Mostert, Jevon Holland, Alec Ingold after missing Wednesday practice. Holland in a red jersey. Cam Smith not at practice, as Vic Fangio said.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Awesome. Just resting the vets
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
They could put a stadium next to Joe's. THey'd ahve to tear down a lot of buildings to do so.
To be fair, it's cooler on south beach. There is no ocean breeze in Miami Gardens.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I get this, but also frustrated with the naked greed. Regular folks can't afford to go to games , moving to multiple streaming services etc. When is enough enough? Not blaming the players, blaming our way of thinking in general I guess. These guys don't need to be paid 50 million to play a game, but they're getting that because we're shelling out big time to watch the games
TripleThreat
Footballguy
I don't remember a squad overcoming so many injuries / missed games while still succeeding.
That said I really hope we get Armstead Wynn Williams Hunt Jackson next week.
Let alone getting X
The rest of the backend of the defense
That said I really hope we get Armstead Wynn Williams Hunt Jackson next week.
Let alone getting X
The rest of the backend of the defense
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Dolphins got a refocused Eagles team after their loss to the jets... kc losing to Denver today should refocus the chiefs as well.
FinsUp
FinsUp
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
TripleThreat
Footballguy
I don't remember a squad overcoming so many injuries / missed games while still succeeding.
That said I really hope we get Armstead Wynn Williams Hunt Jackson next week.
Let alone getting X
a tremendous stat.
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Footballguy
Big W.
How the hell did the Chiefs lose to the Broncos? Sets up nicely for next week.
Hill & Waddle so much fun to watch.
And can’t say enough about the Oline. God Bless Butch Barry and coach McD for scheming game plans to keep Tua safe & upright.
Fangio & the Defense improving. Also cant wait for what this unit will look like with a healthy X, Ramsey & Holland all in the lineup.
Fins Up !!!
How the hell did the Chiefs lose to the Broncos? Sets up nicely for next week.
Hill & Waddle so much fun to watch.
And can’t say enough about the Oline. God Bless Butch Barry and coach McD for scheming game plans to keep Tua safe & upright.
Fangio & the Defense improving. Also cant wait for what this unit will look like with a healthy X, Ramsey & Holland all in the lineup.
Fins Up !!!
TripleThreat
Footballguy
A healthy X Ramsey Kohou Holland Elliot makes a sick back end.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Chubb splitting that double team for a sack was legit
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Footballguy
Your reverse Jedi mind tricks will not work in this thread.
ChiefD
Footballguy
I wish. I'm not sure the Chiefs can fix what is broken right now. Our receivers just can't get separation. Kelce is more concerned about partying right now than playing it seems.
And Mahomes being sick and having to fly overseas this week is not good. Plus Butker had gotten sick also so I'm anticipating more getting the bug this week. Not in good form for this matchup.
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Footballguy
Just hope Miami’s secondary is healthy enough to stop Kelce & Swift.
Wildcat
Footballguy
I don't see the Chiefs losing 2 in a row and I don't know the last time that has happened (too lazy to Google). The Dolphins have some key injuries to the OL and Howard. I think it is a pretty even matchup all things considered and I'm happy the game is in Germany rather than it being a Chiefs home game (although I was going to go to the game in KC and was bummed when it was moved).
I wish. I'm not sure the Chiefs can fix what is broken right now. Our receivers just can't get separation. Kelce is more concerned about partying right now than playing it seems.
And Mahomes being sick and having to fly overseas this week is not good. Plus Butker had gotten sick also so I'm anticipating more getting the bug this week. Not in good form for this matchup.
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Footballguy
Thought Tua looked off yesterday for the most part.
Also, the refs/calls were definitely making up for the Eagles debacle.
Also, the refs/calls were definitely making up for the Eagles debacle.
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Footballguy
Dolphins looked into adding significant reinforcements. Terron Armstead, Connor Williams, Robert Hunt, De'Von Achane, Xavien Howard, and Jevon Holland.
Deadline passed and no draft picks expended
Deadline passed and no draft picks expended
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Footballguy
BTW 
“Flossen Hoch” Swamp
“Flossen Hoch” Swamp
TripleThreat
Footballguy
early look show a lot of people getting healthy
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Footballguy
Ramsay & X both starting at CB for the 1st time ever - letting Kohou play the slot where he thrives.
Be interesting to see who they use to cover Kelse.
Be interesting to see who they use to cover Kelse.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If this is true...if this is true and we have Phillips, Chubb and Van Ginkel flying around the outside, Holland clears concussion protocol and starts at Safety
We haven't seen anything like that so far
Kohou starting as the Slot-DB, he has a chance to be a Top 3-5 dude there, he was always made for the slot. He's done an admirable job filling in but this is his bread n butter
That means Needham, an already solid Slot-Nickel-Dime guy is going to be the 4th Corner coming in off the bench for 3rd and Long
What that will do is open up the playbook for Fang's DBs to not just roam but have free blitz options anytime they need to shake things up.
Not to sound arrogant but KC does not have WRs that should strike fear, it's gonna allow for some exotic blitz packages
3rd and long...Chubb-Philips-Van Ginkel with Wilkins or Sieler or both on the IOL, then you got Ramsay-X-Kohou(slot)-Holland-Elliot and perhaps Needham as a 6th DB also QB spy
The QB spy can come from several spots including Van Ginkel.
You could see a big difference last week, I look for more of the same and teams are going to get frustrated trying to be patient, that helps the run defense.
I need to calm down, It's Thursday
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I think a few folks need an explanation on the is oneBTW
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
O/U 51 for those who celebrate
I’m feeling kind of festive on the over
I’m feeling kind of festive on the over
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Ramsey my guess
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Listen to DO talk about MMcD
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Footballguy
Is that a movie quote/reference that I am not aware of? I am asking since no one in Germnay would actually use it.I think a few folks need an explanation on the is oneBTW
It would be "Hände hoch!"
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Footballguy
Is that a movie quote/reference that I am not aware of? I am asking since no one in Germnay would actually use it.I think a few folks need an explanation on the is oneBTW
No, not from an movie.
Originated from the OP of this thread - SwampDawg.
May be the closest German translation to FINS UP !!!
AHH! That actually makes sense. Didn't even think of that poor mammal.Is that a movie quote/reference that I am not aware of? I am asking since no one in Germnay would actually use it.I think a few folks need an explanation on the is oneBTW
No, not from an movie.
Originated from the OP of this thread - SwampDawg.
May be the closest German translation to FINS UP !!!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm starting to feel confident for Sunday, why exactly I'm not sure but I feel like Miami has a decent chance to win
Tua getting the ball out in 2-3 seconds or less will be critical to the Phins success.
I feel like our Defense is going to show up and give the media something new to talk about
Tua getting the ball out in 2-3 seconds or less will be critical to the Phins success.
I feel like our Defense is going to show up and give the media something new to talk about
TripleThreat
Footballguy
So that podcast I listen to and discord I pay three whole dollars a month, for this is one of the characters asking Mike McDaniel a question in todays presser
