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2025 Miami Dolphins - The Trade Table is Open (5 Viewers)


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From the article...
With Jackson and the Ravens still at a stalemate, a representative for the former league MVP has begun contacting teams in an effort to create a possible landing spot for the quarterback, according to Pro Football Talk, and telling them he's ready to move on from Baltimore.

:popcorn:
I saw somewhere someone posted the Family Guy video “you could have this boat or the mystery box (that could be a boat)” referencing drafting Richardson over trading for Lamar.
You bring up an excellent point if you are eluding to Miami perhaps getting their hands on one of the Rookie QBs that falls because one of them won't go Top 10, almost guarantee it. Some of those teams would like to have a stab in the 2nd Rd, but high 1st is a lot for at least 1 or perhaps 2 of those top 4 that get kicked around. I like the Hooker kid and he can be had well after those other 4 are gone. I think he was excellent in turning the Tennessee program around as he was graduating, good stuff.

If you're sayin the Ravens would prefer to trade and Jackson and go with a rookie QB, that's also worth discussing.

I apologize for making my LJ daydreams everyone's problem in here, I try and keep it in the LJ thread but it has to be discussed at least a little bit. I respect and understand why most of you want to press forward with Tua and keep going with what we are doing, I really am not trying to convince you I'm right. I just like to explore all the options and this particular one is massive IMHO. However it turns out for Baltimore and Lamar in '23, you just don't see 26 year old QBs in their prime made available.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned in your LJ dreams/nightmares (LOL) is what that Baltimore can match and then you would have now once again shown Tua you have no faith in him. Owner flirted with Brady (ok it's the GOAT and you could have spun it as a mentor relationship), former coach wanted Deshaun over Tua even with all the baggage, you got rid of him and brought in a coach who seems to believe in him and designed a system around what he does well and it showed results. If you now go after Lamar it's public because of the offer sheet you better hope you get him. If not you risk Tua looking good but doing what Lamar is doing and not signing, playing under the franchise tag and wanting to get out of dodge. I personally think Baltimore is pretty confident that no one is going to give Lamar the Deshaun contract and that he will get an offer similar to what they were offering and they will just match it. This is the downside for Lamar of not having an agent, he doesn't have someone working behind the scenes to try and create a market like they did for Watson that led to the Browns giving the contract they did.
 

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From the article...
With Jackson and the Ravens still at a stalemate, a representative for the former league MVP has begun contacting teams in an effort to create a possible landing spot for the quarterback, according to Pro Football Talk, and telling them he's ready to move on from Baltimore.

:popcorn:
I saw somewhere someone posted the Family Guy video “you could have this boat or the mystery box (that could be a boat)” referencing drafting Richardson over trading for Lamar.
You bring up an excellent point if you are eluding to Miami perhaps getting their hands on one of the Rookie QBs that falls because one of them won't go Top 10, almost guarantee it. Some of those teams would like to have a stab in the 2nd Rd, but high 1st is a lot for at least 1 or perhaps 2 of those top 4 that get kicked around. I like the Hooker kid and he can be had well after those other 4 are gone. I think he was excellent in turning the Tennessee program around as he was graduating, good stuff.

If you're sayin the Ravens would prefer to trade and Jackson and go with a rookie QB, that's also worth discussing.

I apologize for making my LJ daydreams everyone's problem in here, I try and keep it in the LJ thread but it has to be discussed at least a little bit. I respect and understand why most of you want to press forward with Tua and keep going with what we are doing, I really am not trying to convince you I'm right. I just like to explore all the options and this particular one is massive IMHO. However it turns out for Baltimore and Lamar in '23, you just don't see 26 year old QBs in their prime made available.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned in your LJ dreams/nightmares (LOL) is what that Baltimore can match and then you would have now once again shown Tua you have no faith in him. Owner flirted with Brady (ok it's the GOAT and you could have spun it as a mentor relationship), former coach wanted Deshaun over Tua even with all the baggage, you got rid of him and brought in a coach who seems to believe in him and designed a system around what he does well and it showed results. If you now go after Lamar it's public because of the offer sheet you better hope you get him. If not you risk Tua looking good but doing what Lamar is doing and not signing, playing under the franchise tag and wanting to get out of dodge. I personally think Baltimore is pretty confident that no one is going to give Lamar the Deshaun contract and that he will get an offer similar to what they were offering and they will just match it. This is the downside for Lamar of not having an agent, he doesn't have someone working behind the scenes to try and create a market like they did for Watson that led to the Browns giving the contract they did.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned in your LJ dreams/nightmares (LOL) is what that Baltimore can match and then you would have now once again shown Tua you have no faith in him

-That is absolutely MoP's biggest fear is that after all that work and making the offer and fitting it into the cap somehow that Baltimore just matches it and then you have to face Tua
-But let's not forget that Stephen Ross had no problem getting down on one knee for Watson if he paid off his lawsuits quickly and was rebuffed by Watson
 

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From the article...
With Jackson and the Ravens still at a stalemate, a representative for the former league MVP has begun contacting teams in an effort to create a possible landing spot for the quarterback, according to Pro Football Talk, and telling them he's ready to move on from Baltimore.

:popcorn:
I saw somewhere someone posted the Family Guy video “you could have this boat or the mystery box (that could be a boat)” referencing drafting Richardson over trading for Lamar.
You bring up an excellent point if you are eluding to Miami perhaps getting their hands on one of the Rookie QBs that falls because one of them won't go Top 10, almost guarantee it. Some of those teams would like to have a stab in the 2nd Rd, but high 1st is a lot for at least 1 or perhaps 2 of those top 4 that get kicked around. I like the Hooker kid and he can be had well after those other 4 are gone. I think he was excellent in turning the Tennessee program around as he was graduating, good stuff.

If you're sayin the Ravens would prefer to trade and Jackson and go with a rookie QB, that's also worth discussing.

I apologize for making my LJ daydreams everyone's problem in here, I try and keep it in the LJ thread but it has to be discussed at least a little bit. I respect and understand why most of you want to press forward with Tua and keep going with what we are doing, I really am not trying to convince you I'm right. I just like to explore all the options and this particular one is massive IMHO. However it turns out for Baltimore and Lamar in '23, you just don't see 26 year old QBs in their prime made available.
this was specifically referencing the teams with top picks drafting A Richardson, an unknown, vs trading for Lamar... a known commodity.
Miami wasn't in my thoughts.
 
13 sacks in 2 seasons under Fangio
I posted but you were way ahead on this one. I like the move plus Van Ginkel in the slots behind Phillips and Chubb, we will have depth and the ability to put heat on the QB
This defense is going to look a lot different than it did in '22
Tua might only have to drive half the field to score on several drives a game.
Miami should rip the cover off a defense and then bring the heat when teams are forced the throw
Mentioned many times last year Miami would go as far as the Defense and injuries allowed… I hope injuries have a minimal impact this season because if the players learn the system, the D shouldn’t be a limiting factor.
I think this year it’ll be OL and injuries
Do we think the o line will still be “that big” of an issue? Outside of armsteads availability the o line played well in pass pro and was only “shaky” when armstead was out. The run game was not great except here and there but one of the things that benefits an oline is consistency. Having another year in the system, bringing most of them back and finally getting some needed depth yes, maybe one more guy to compete on the right side should solve a lot of this.

you cannot predict injury but last year we got rocked in the secondary. We look to be fairly deep everywhere but lb at the moment
 
13 sacks in 2 seasons under Fangio
I posted but you were way ahead on this one. I like the move plus Van Ginkel in the slots behind Phillips and Chubb, we will have depth and the ability to put heat on the QB
This defense is going to look a lot different than it did in '22
Tua might only have to drive half the field to score on several drives a game.
Miami should rip the cover off a defense and then bring the heat when teams are forced the throw
Mentioned many times last year Miami would go as far as the Defense and injuries allowed… I hope injuries have a minimal impact this season because if the players learn the system, the D shouldn’t be a limiting factor.
I think this year it’ll be OL and injuries
Do we think the o line will still be “that big” of an issue? Outside of armsteads availability the o line played well in pass pro and was only “shaky” when armstead was out. The run game was not great except here and there but one of the things that benefits an oline is consistency. Having another year in the system, bringing most of them back and finally getting some needed depth yes, maybe one more guy to compete on the right side should solve a lot of this.

you cannot predict injury but last year we got rocked in the secondary. We look to be fairly deep everywhere but lb at the moment
Put me in this camp as well.
I know Jackson and Eichenberg have been liabilities and maybe it's wishful thinking but we just need to see things click for one of the two of them
They have all summer to figure out the LG and RT spots, still some guys floating around free agency like Shell from last season, maybe you get them back on a 1 year deal
Shell wasn't great at pass protection and at Right Tackle we really need someone to protect Tua's blind side.

#51 has a lot of options at OL, wish we didn't need to draft another one but it looks that way. I have several names I like

O'Cyrus Torrence from your Gators is possibly the best IOL in the draft but Guards don't typically go in the 1st Rd, he is projected to be a late 1st/early 2nd Rd pick.
Steve Avila IOL from TCU is another guy I like, won't be there at 84, could be off the board at 51.
Luke Wypler-OSU and Joe Tippman-WI are Big 10 prospects at Center, projected 2nd-3rd Rd, Connor Williams could slide to LG but I like what he did at Center.

Mathew Bergeron from Syracuse and Cody Mauch from NDSU are interesting for Right Tackle prospects but I would prefer the IOL I have mentioned, would help the running game.
 
Do we think the o line will still be “that big” of an issue?
The OL is my main concern. I do hold hope that the change in OL coaches and one more year in the system helps but yeah I look at the OL as the main weakness.

Last year I was concerned about Byron Jones and then the secondary got rocked with injuries as you said.
 
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In 2022 the Dolphins had: - a TE who played like a WR (Gesicki) - a Slot WR whose specialty was blocking (Sherfield) - a PR who avg'd 3.8 yards prior to 2022 (Wilson) They've significantly restructured by committing to Durham Smythe as TE1 & signing Slot WR/PR Braxton Berrios.


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Extended We have signed TE Durham Smythe to a contract extension through the 2025 season.
 
Doubt Smythe is really a TE1. He needs some competition in that room.
I think they are drafting someone. That being said, they have a "move TE" project on the team as it is and it seems that with Hill, Waddle, Berrios that the TE (and FB) positions are Blocker / Dump off players in this system until they find their Kittle.
 
Doubt Smythe is really a TE1. He needs some competition in that room.
I think they are drafting someone. That being said, they have a "move TE" project on the team as it is and it seems that with Hill, Waddle, Berrios that the TE (and FB) positions are Blocker / Dump off players in this system until they find their Kittle.
Tanner Conner will have a chance to make an impact. It's a longshot, but they put him on the 53 man roster as an UDFA in 2022. He was a big WR in college, 6'3" 230, 60M hurdler champ in college, 10.51 in 100m, 39.5 vertical. He could be a flex TE like Gesicki, we'll see in training camp. He impressed in the 2022 camp.

There are some good TEs in the 3rd round, like LaPorta and Kraft. Tucker Kraft, South Dakota State, became a TE in college and is highly rated as a blocker. If he's there in the 3rd, at 3.20, it's a consideration. But, it should BPA.
 
Someone enlighten me why they let their TE walk?
Poor blocker, poor separation metrics. He doesn't fit the scheme. Nice guy, many clutch catches including quite a few for TDs. The catch from Fitzpatrick to beat NE and give KC a home game was one. If NE can scheme him open, he might rebound.
 
Doubt Smythe is really a TE1. He needs some competition in that room.
I think they are drafting someone. That being said, they have a "move TE" project on the team as it is and it seems that with Hill, Waddle, Berrios that the TE (and FB) positions are Blocker / Dump off players in this system until they find their Kittle.
Tanner Conner will have a chance to make an impact. It's a longshot, but they put him on the 53 man roster as an UDFA in 2022. He was a big WR in college, 6'3" 230, 60M hurdler champ in college, 10.51 in 100m, 39.5 vertical. He could be a flex TE like Gesicki, we'll see in training camp. He impressed in the 2022 camp.

There are some good TEs in the 3rd round, like LaPorta and Kraft. Tucker Kraft, South Dakota State, became a TE in college and is highly rated as a blocker. If he's there in the 3rd, at 3.20, it's a consideration. But, it should BPA.
This is for everyone

-The Tight End in a McDaniel offense is not going to catch a ton of balls with Hill and Waddle slotted in as starting WRs. They toss it to the TE/RB mostly to keep the defenses honest but it's not a major part of the game plan. What is the role of the TE? Blocking!!!

-The Miami OL already has issues but in line blocking from Smythe on 1st and 2nd down or 3rd and short, not the issue, Smythe does well in that role and when you avg out his salary of about $3.5M it gives Miami the extra dollars to go out and get guys like Ramsey and Chubb to make the defense a lot better.

-4th Rd 2018, Notre Dame, going to play out his entire career here apparently and with a year in the system, 27 yrs old, perfect fit for what McDaniel wants to do.
-557 snaps, 57% of the time on offense he was lined up and since he didn't catch a lot of balls, my guess is he helps the run blocking and pass blocking with a shaky at times OL.

Smart move to lock him up cheap, not worried about our vertical abilities or inabilities in the passing game. Think of it more like a 6th OL, that's the way McDaniel is scheming it and using his resources with Grier to keep within the cap.
 
Someone enlighten me why they let their TE walk?
Gesicki added $10M+ to our cap in '22 and simply was not needed in the scheme here.
Almost any big name TE that needs a lot of targets is going to starve to death here behind Hill and Waddle
Miami's OL is shaky, the TE is more of a 6th OL as I posted above

Miami missed out on getting anything in return for the #37 overall pick so in that regard they failed.
I would have thought Mike Gesicki would fetch a 4th Rd pick at some point last season, wish they could have figured out how much they didn't need him.
 
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Someone enlighten me why they let their TE walk?
Gesicki added $10M+ to our cap in '22 and simple was not needed in the scheme here.
Almost any big name TE that needs a lot of targets is going to starve to death here behind Hill and Waddle
Miami's OL is shaky, the TE is more of a 6th OL as I posted above

Miami missed out on getting anything in return for the #37 overall pick so in that regard they failed.
I would have thought Mike Gesicki would fetch a 4th Rd pick at some point last season, wish they could have figured out how much they didn't need him.
Agreed. A lot of people look at what a coach ran in the past and assume it is what they will continue to do, but, lets face it, not everyone is George Kittle.
 


Started as a Tight End before switching to Guard and Tackle for Miami
Lee would make 62 starts on the OL between '85-'89 with Marino taking snaps
 
2023 Draft-#51 Overall

-This should be a potential impact player so I think drafting a guy on to a team that is largely set as is, not going to be many starting jobs up for grabs. In that regard we likely need to focus on a player that can actually contribute at certain key areas. With that in mind I think you can almost rule out all Cornerbacks and Safeties in this range. There are several that if they were to fall far down the draft board, yeah Miami should pounce but they are now loaded up in the Secondary and have many guys coming back off injury, not sure very many rookies would make an impact here.

-Tight End...yeah we extended Smythe and we signed a guy from Denver but a rookie contract for 4 years with someone who can come in and contribute with solid blocking and expand the sets of hands we can utilize at Tight End, there a re a lot of names this year, they can't all be good. A guy i like and we might even be able to trade down and still get is Tucker Kraft from South Dakota St, beastly size and strength, think he could compliment Smythe and keep that position relatively cheap. Don't underestimate the addition in the run blocking game.

-IOL...the names that will be available at #51, there's many. They can't draft them all in the 1st Rd when you have guys like Torrence from Florida now falling perhaps into the early 2nd. I expect Avila from TCU to be around, Schmitz, Tippman and Wypler all could be on the board when Miami selects and it's possible one or two could still be on the board when they pick again at #84 so they could gamble. Cody Mauch likely will be converted to IOL or OG where he played Tackle in college. There are several names at Offensive Tackle and it wouldn't shock anyone if Grier and Miami selects another one even though the Dolphins track record for OL last 4-5 years has stunk in the Draft.

-Running Back...yeah I know we brought back the entire band but that didn't work out well on Defense last year, you need some new blood. Miami will have options at both 51 and 84 if they want to take a RB with some top end speed. I also like Nathaniel Dell at WR, a speedster who could be valuable as a 3rd or 4th WR which i know we have several right now but this guy is fast and would give us options on special teams.

What happened to Tindall from last year? I don't think drafting another Linebacker is the best idea.
There's several names we could discuss along the DL/Edge but then where and when do they get snaps?

3rd rated overall roster top to bottom according to ESPN, think wisely here.
 
Dalvin Cook wants to be a Miami Dolphin and could possibly be released from the Minnesota Vikings.
$14M cap hit for Vikings if they keep him as is, less than $10M for whoever would land Cook.

$7M-Cedric Wilson, move him on his way and while you are at it, trade Igbo for like a 6th or 7th and clear out $10M in cap space +$3M they are UTC right now
MoP Math always bad but this works.

Offense would jump to another level with Cook, he's amazing.
 
Dalvin Cook wants to be a Miami Dolphin and could possibly be released from the Minnesota Vikings.
$14M cap hit for Vikings if they keep him as is, less than $10M for whoever would land Cook.

$7M-Cedric Wilson, move him on his way and while you are at it, trade Igbo for like a 6th or 7th and clear out $10M in cap space +$3M they are UTC right now
MoP Math always bad but this works.

Offense would jump to another level with Cook, he's amazing.
A top tier running game is something this offense could really use. Sure, they're going to scheme up some explosive plays to Waddle and Hill. However, they need more sustainable drives to help control the clock. A player like Cook would help them with that. Tua could really use an option to dump the ball off to instead of taking some of these hits.
 
Cook will be 28 in August. He's been trending down. I'd rather use the $$ to someone for the oline.

Other teams will be interested, including BUF, PHI, and maybe LAC if Ekeler leaves.
 
Dalvin Cook wants to be a Miami Dolphin and could possibly be released from the Minnesota Vikings.
$14M cap hit for Vikings if they keep him as is, less than $10M for whoever would land Cook.

$7M-Cedric Wilson, move him on his way and while you are at it, trade Igbo for like a 6th or 7th and clear out $10M in cap space +$3M they are UTC right now
MoP Math always bad but this works.

Offense would jump to another level with Cook, he's amazing.
Dalvin wants to be a dolphin but he also wants to get paid. Should be interesting bc it is not like he will not have other suitors. (also, it will be interesting to see if it happens around the draft or after June 1st where Miami gets the jones money on their books). Miami is going to likely be a three headed committee. I do not think RB is a priority in this offense (even Shanny didn't commit to one until CMAC fell into his lap)
 
McDaniel and the Dolphins are obsessed with speed - saw they just signed Robbie Anderson. Not sure what he has left but he used to be a downfield burner.

Don‘t think they put much value in the RB position.
 
McDaniel and the Dolphins are obsessed with speed - saw they just signed Robbie Anderson. Not sure what he has left but he used to be a downfield burner.

Don‘t think they put much value in the RB position.
Nor should they based on this O line, QB, and WR combo. "Chosen" is an interesting get. Makes me think wilson will likely be moved near or after the draft to a team that misses out on a WR in the draft. Likley a day 2 or 3 pick for wilson. (day 3 most likely)
 
Dalvin Cook wants to be a Miami Dolphin and could possibly be released from the Minnesota Vikings.
$14M cap hit for Vikings if they keep him as is, less than $10M for whoever would land Cook.

$7M-Cedric Wilson, move him on his way and while you are at it, trade Igbo for like a 6th or 7th and clear out $10M in cap space +$3M they are UTC right now
MoP Math always bad but this works.

Offense would jump to another level with Cook, he's amazing.
Dalvin wants to be a dolphin but he also wants to get paid. Should be interesting bc it is not like he will not have other suitors. (also, it will be interesting to see if it happens around the draft or after June 1st where Miami gets the jones money on their books). Miami is going to likely be a three headed committee. I do not think RB is a priority in this offense (even Shanny didn't commit to one until CMAC fell into his lap)
Miami's failure to run the ball in the 4th Q and close games out was lacking last year and I think a go to guy would help.
Not a lot of starting spots open on this team.

As we look at 51 and 84 on the horizon, I still like the idea of a fast speedy RB, a new TE prospect that hopefully falls down the boards. Dell at WR-Houston is intriguing but I'm not sure where he fits but he has the speed and could be useful. I don' think every person the Phins sign to a contract is going to make the team. Robbie Anderson might not be here Week 1, we'll see.

I can see a lot of different IOL and potential RT prospects at 51, there are also Centers from the Big 10 that would push Connor Williams back inside to LG, I thought he did a great job at Center last year. There are similar types around at No 84 but I can't see Miami going OL twice.

OL/TE would help the running game, Cook rumors are pretty substantial right now, agree he wants to get paid but most of his guaranteed money is over in his current deal.
I think Cook would be a tremendous addition, don't see why Gaskin and Ahmed have to be on the roster, big deal they resigned, they might not make it.

#3 Rated team overall roster, can't take a lot of projects, need the finishing touches. I could see Miami trading down, I could see Miami trading up if they find the impact player they want. Van Ginkel resigning doesn't make me eager to want to take another Edge rusher, we should have plenty between the Top 3-4 plus a DL with Ogbah-Wilkins-Sieler, Miami should be loaded on Defense. Some websites have Miami needing a Cornerback or Safety, I don't see that as a big need after free agency and the players we have coming back. I also think the Vic Fangio hiring will take the defense to new heights.
 
Dalvin Cook wants to be a Miami Dolphin and could possibly be released from the Minnesota Vikings.
$14M cap hit for Vikings if they keep him as is, less than $10M for whoever would land Cook.

$7M-Cedric Wilson, move him on his way and while you are at it, trade Igbo for like a 6th or 7th and clear out $10M in cap space +$3M they are UTC right now
MoP Math always bad but this works.

Offense would jump to another level with Cook, he's amazing.
Dalvin wants to be a dolphin but he also wants to get paid. Should be interesting bc it is not like he will not have other suitors. (also, it will be interesting to see if it happens around the draft or after June 1st where Miami gets the jones money on their books). Miami is going to likely be a three headed committee. I do not think RB is a priority in this offense (even Shanny didn't commit to one until CMAC fell into his lap)
Miami's failure to run the ball in the 4th Q and close games out was lacking last year and I think a go to guy would help.
Not a lot of starting spots open on this team.

As we look at 51 and 84 on the horizon, I still like the idea of a fast speedy RB, a new TE prospect that hopefully falls down the boards. Dell at WR-Houston is intriguing but I'm not sure where he fits but he has the speed and could be useful. I don' think every person the Phins sign to a contract is going to make the team. Robbie Anderson might not be here Week 1, we'll see.

I can see a lot of different IOL and potential RT prospects at 51, there are also Centers from the Big 10 that would push Connor Williams back inside to LG, I thought he did a great job at Center last year. There are similar types around at No 84 but I can't see Miami going OL twice.

OL/TE would help the running game, Cook rumors are pretty substantial right now, agree he wants to get paid but most of his guaranteed money is over in his current deal.
I think Cook would be a tremendous addition, don't see why Gaskin and Ahmed have to be on the roster, big deal they resigned, they might not make it.

#3 Rated team overall roster, can't take a lot of projects, need the finishing touches. I could see Miami trading down, I could see Miami trading up if they find the impact player they want. Van Ginkel resigning doesn't make me eager to want to take another Edge rusher, we should have plenty between the Top 3-4 plus a DL with Ogbah-Wilkins-Sieler, Miami should be loaded on Defense. Some websites have Miami needing a Cornerback or Safety, I don't see that as a big need after free agency and the players we have coming back. I also think the Vic Fangio hiring will take the defense to new heights.
True, and Dalvin is a chain mover for sure. Barry had a good article about it and that the phins basically have flexibility with Gaskin and Ahmed and the contracts they signed. Wilson not as much, but they could trade him for relief if they find a "better" runner.
 
Dalvin Cook wants to be a Miami Dolphin and could possibly be released from the Minnesota Vikings.
$14M cap hit for Vikings if they keep him as is, less than $10M for whoever would land Cook.

$7M-Cedric Wilson, move him on his way and while you are at it, trade Igbo for like a 6th or 7th and clear out $10M in cap space +$3M they are UTC right now
MoP Math always bad but this works.

Offense would jump to another level with Cook, he's amazing.
There’s a guy on finheaven saying Cook to the Dolphins is happening. Not if, just a matter of when.

Same guy that was the first to tell us Fangio to the Dolphins was a done deal.

:eek:
 
Dalvin Cook wants to be a Miami Dolphin and could possibly be released from the Minnesota Vikings.
$14M cap hit for Vikings if they keep him as is, less than $10M for whoever would land Cook.

$7M-Cedric Wilson, move him on his way and while you are at it, trade Igbo for like a 6th or 7th and clear out $10M in cap space +$3M they are UTC right now
MoP Math always bad but this works.

Offense would jump to another level with Cook, he's amazing.
There’s a guy on finheaven saying Cook to the Dolphins is happening. Not if, just a matter of when.

Same guy that was the first to tell us Fangio to the Dolphins was a done deal.

:eek:
I heard you and @SoBeDad loud and clear on Cook but I try not to always post right back or come over the top, all POV should be welcome.
I don't think you all dislike Cook but you don't want to see Miami break the bank for a 28 yr old RB, I get it. We have a 31-yr old starting RB I remind you all ;)

I'm greedy and I haven't seen the team have this much talent assembled since Shula was coaching for his job and they signed a lot of free agents in 1994 and 1995 as the rumors of Jimmy Johnson wanting the Miami job went circling all over the media, Shula addressed it several times his last season as Head Coach. Miami tried to go all in but ended up falling well short, Shula finished 9-7.

-I think the difference here is Miami has drafted a lot of their stars...Wilkins-Phillips-Howard-Holland, all drafted and they used draft capital to acquire Chubb and Ramsey. They drafted Baker and Jones as well even if folks don't love those guys. Tua-Waddle-Smythe-Hunt were all drafted and a couple OL would be included too if they didn't suck so bad. But a lot of this team was drafted or brought in with draft capital. Very few have been pure free agents like Armstead and Williams along the OL, Miami was forced to go that route.

We should only focus on players that can potentially take the starting job right now, RB or starting RB is up for grabs IMHO. Mostert is old and typically is unavailable, Jeff Wilson is unavailable quite often, Gaskin and Ahmed are not starters. I think the idea of acting like Miami doesn't need to be able to run the football is misleading or short sighted. Miami should have a fantastic running game to counter the highlight passing game they've installed. There were rumors of Henry coming to Miami so Cook sounds like a reasonable expectation.

-Bottom Line, players see what is happening here and want to play for this Coach and come to the city of Miami and the tax friendly environment of Florida.
 
Grier seems like he does a good job with every position save OL.
There is a lot to unpack there. Grier seems to have issues with first round O linemen the same way he was issues with first round everything else save for Waddle (and Tua, but there is a long debate ahead there so let's just skip it).

The problem is Miami has been banging away at linemen for so long that it is ridiculous. You would assume that with the regime in place now (and so many guys with O line coach experience on the staff) that this should "right itself" sooner or later, but let's face it, certain teams just have "bad luck" in drafting a position group. The Pats cannot draft WRs to save their lives. Philly can't draft a running back. The Raiders can't draft, period.
 
Grier seems like he does a good job with every position save OL.
There is a lot to unpack there. Grier seems to have issues with first round O linemen the same way he was issues with first round everything else save for Waddle (and Tua, but there is a long debate ahead there so let's just skip it).

The problem is Miami has been banging away at linemen for so long that it is ridiculous. You would assume that with the regime in place now (and so many guys with O line coach experience on the staff) that this should "right itself" sooner or later, but let's face it, certain teams just have "bad luck" in drafting a position group. The Pats cannot draft WRs to save their lives. Philly can't draft a running back. The Raiders can't draft, period
"Grier seems like he does a good job w/every position save OL"

"There is a lot to unpack there"
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
 
Grier seems like he does a good job with every position save OL.
There is a lot to unpack there. Grier seems to have issues with first round O linemen the same way he was issues with first round everything else save for Waddle (and Tua, but there is a long debate ahead there so let's just skip it).

The problem is Miami has been banging away at linemen for so long that it is ridiculous. You would assume that with the regime in place now (and so many guys with O line coach experience on the staff) that this should "right itself" sooner or later, but let's face it, certain teams just have "bad luck" in drafting a position group. The Pats cannot draft WRs to save their lives. Philly can't draft a running back. The Raiders can't draft, period
"Grier seems like he does a good job w/every position save OL"

"There is a lot to unpack there"
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Honestly, other than Tunsil, which Miami Lineman since Pouncey have we really thought was a stud? Even Pouncey was not as good as his brother in Pittsburgh. Serviceable, sure, but "elite?" So other than the Shula days and the early Wanny days (where Rickey ran wild) when have we had an O line that struck fear into another team?
 
Grier seems like he does a good job with every position save OL.
There is a lot to unpack there. Grier seems to have issues with first round O linemen the same way he was issues with first round everything else save for Waddle (and Tua, but there is a long debate ahead there so let's just skip it).

The problem is Miami has been banging away at linemen for so long that it is ridiculous. You would assume that with the regime in place now (and so many guys with O line coach experience on the staff) that this should "right itself" sooner or later, but let's face it, certain teams just have "bad luck" in drafting a position group. The Pats cannot draft WRs to save their lives. Philly can't draft a running back. The Raiders can't draft, period
"Grier seems like he does a good job w/every position save OL"

"There is a lot to unpack there"
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Honestly, other than Tunsil, which Miami Lineman since Pouncey have we really thought was a stud? Even Pouncey was not as good as his brother in Pittsburgh. Serviceable, sure, but "elite?" So other than the Shula days and the early Wanny days (where Rickey ran wild) when have we had an O line that struck fear into another team?
Couldn't agree more, the OL has stunk for a long time. They were actually OK last year. Armstead, Williams and Hunt that's 3/5 of a pretty good start.
I still think Grier will try and run Eich and Jackson out there, try to show everyone he knows best.
 
Grier seems like he does a good job with every position save OL.
There is a lot to unpack there. Grier seems to have issues with first round O linemen the same way he was issues with first round everything else save for Waddle (and Tua, but there is a long debate ahead there so let's just skip it).

The problem is Miami has been banging away at linemen for so long that it is ridiculous. You would assume that with the regime in place now (and so many guys with O line coach experience on the staff) that this should "right itself" sooner or later, but let's face it, certain teams just have "bad luck" in drafting a position group. The Pats cannot draft WRs to save their lives. Philly can't draft a running back. The Raiders can't draft, period
"Grier seems like he does a good job w/every position save OL"

"There is a lot to unpack there"
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Honestly, other than Tunsil, which Miami Lineman since Pouncey have we really thought was a stud? Even Pouncey was not as good as his brother in Pittsburgh. Serviceable, sure, but "elite?" So other than the Shula days and the early Wanny days (where Rickey ran wild) when have we had an O line that struck fear into another team?
Couldn't agree more, the OL has stunk for a long time. They were actually OK last year. Armstead, Williams and Hunt that's 3/5 of a pretty good start.
I still think Grier will try and run Eich and Jackson out there, try to show everyone he knows best.
Saw something about Keim in Arizona and how trent sherfield was an UDFA so even though he showed flashes in preseason he was told by the coaching staff "no way you are going to stat over guys the FO drafted". You hope that Miami isn't that short sighted with Grier and co but I'm sure that with some of the misses in the draft for Grier the pressure is on for those guys to do well for him.

Funny how even in a business devoted to winning, Not looking foolish is still the primary goal in most decision making.
 
Who you guys hoping to take at #51?

For me, I want either Steve Avila or Cody Mauch. Yes - boring I know but the decades long Oline build needs to continue.

Think TE and/or RB can be had later in the draft.
 
Who you guys hoping to take at #51?

For me, I want either Steve Avila or Cody Mauch. Yes - boring I know but the decades long Oline build needs to continue.

Think TE and/or RB can be had later in the draft.
Best OL available unless the TE from Norte Dame continues to fall. I am summing no way Porter falls all the way to us.
 

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