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2025 NFL Coaches on the hot seat & Front Office changes (1 Viewer)
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ignatiusjreilly
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Bigboy10182000
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That seems crazy
Da Franchise
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John Keim is the most cautious beat writer for Washington and he’s been preaching that while he is in the lead right now, it’s not a done deal with Ben Johnson and they are doing a thorough search and could be wowed by Quinn or, until this afternoon, Morris. A lot of plugged in national guys though sure think it is a foregone conclusion that it’s Johnson though. So, my theory is the team is putting the word out to the beat guys that they’re still going through the process and anything can happen to give a certain impression to the fan base that is contradictory to what the previous regime did anytime they conducted their sham searches.
Now as a fan whose been through it all, I really don’t mind in this case because Johnson is heavily endorsed as a top candidate pretty universally and we finally have a real GM and brain trust that we can actually sleep at night knowing they will make a great decision. Doesn’t hurt then at all though to appear to be operating differently and letting Keim carry that water is something he will do because the man doesn’t spin and reports what he hears from his sources.
So that leads me to the idea that yeah it’s pretty well done with Johnson to come to Washington (especially after todays moves) but the real interesting question is what about Defensive Coordinator. Would Vrabel or Quinn consider it for a year? I’ve seen those thoughts out there but I’d be surprised if they wanted to hire someone with that much credibility because it could undermine Johnson as a rookie coach. So playing it out, I’m wondering if it ends up being Anthony Weaver from Baltimore with MacDonald staying put there as it currently seems he will.
That’s my bet. Johnson to Wash bringing along Weaver as DC. Quinn to Seattle. Vrabel and Belichick don’t get a spot this cycle. Vrabel surprises me but not BB. Always thought he was Atlanta or bust and it seems to me the building talked Arthur Blank out of it. Vrabel gets a spot next somewhere but Belichick man, I honestly think he’s done. Someone’s all of a sudden going to want him at 73? I really doubt it and boy does that have to sting for him. Talk about an ego check.
Now as a fan whose been through it all, I really don’t mind in this case because Johnson is heavily endorsed as a top candidate pretty universally and we finally have a real GM and brain trust that we can actually sleep at night knowing they will make a great decision. Doesn’t hurt then at all though to appear to be operating differently and letting Keim carry that water is something he will do because the man doesn’t spin and reports what he hears from his sources.
So that leads me to the idea that yeah it’s pretty well done with Johnson to come to Washington (especially after todays moves) but the real interesting question is what about Defensive Coordinator. Would Vrabel or Quinn consider it for a year? I’ve seen those thoughts out there but I’d be surprised if they wanted to hire someone with that much credibility because it could undermine Johnson as a rookie coach. So playing it out, I’m wondering if it ends up being Anthony Weaver from Baltimore with MacDonald staying put there as it currently seems he will.
That’s my bet. Johnson to Wash bringing along Weaver as DC. Quinn to Seattle. Vrabel and Belichick don’t get a spot this cycle. Vrabel surprises me but not BB. Always thought he was Atlanta or bust and it seems to me the building talked Arthur Blank out of it. Vrabel gets a spot next somewhere but Belichick man, I honestly think he’s done. Someone’s all of a sudden going to want him at 73? I really doubt it and boy does that have to sting for him. Talk about an ego check.
Pip's Invitation
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I figured they would get someone who elicits the reaction of “Who?”
Confirming they are in Snyder territory already.
Boston
Footballguy
Excellent video with two high-end guys in Tom Curran and Albert Breer breaking-down what they believe happened with BB and Atlanta...and I don't think anyone will be too surprised:
www.nbcsportsboston.com
Breer: Falcons wanted to hire Belichick the coach, not the executive
The MMQB’s Albert Breer and Tom Curran break down why Bill Belichick’s need for full control of the team ultimately cost him the job opening with the Atlanta Falcons in favor of Raheem Morris.
www.nbcsportsboston.com
JohnnyU
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Yeah, having to pay your debt from something you did at the Mississippi crossroads in the early 2000s is coming home to roost.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The league is all about offense. The successful OCs get HC jobs. The unsuccessful ones get fired, often quickly.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...and everyone is impatient...guys like Chuck Noll and Bill Walsh could have ended up as afterthoughts in today's climate.
massraider
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Yeah, that's a bit of a bummer, because I think he could help pretty much any team he joined. As a coach, or even an exec. Every single other team in the league can learn from BB's salary management, and discipline. The list of players that the Pats "lost" to big money in free agency is long, and really not distinguished.
Really, it would be a shocker if he didn't want/expect full control.
Because if he didn't, it would mean that this 71 year old football lifer, who has attained more success than anyone in his field, had a massive slice of humble pie in the last three weeks, and decided he would be lucky and excited to ONLY get the head coaching job for the Atlanta freaking Falcons.
Would have been great if he did that, and was suddenly an open-minded fella, but that was always a long shot.
Hankmoody
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Boston
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*Perhaps the most under-rated thing about the BB era was how often he was right about letting a popular player walk...there were so many times where the fans and media thought the sky was falling because he cut (the Lawyer Milloy thing being the best example) or didn't resign a key player but his batting average on these decisions was very high which is one of the reasons they remained at a high-level for 20 years...I would say Ty Law, Vinatieri (although transitioned to Gostkowski worked out very well) and Asante Samuel (there was more to this but unlike letting AV go they did not have a plan B) are three that come to mind but overall he did an amazing job of not falling in love with a player and keeping them with a bad contract due to what they did in the past.
*Unfortunately it would be franchise suicide to give him full control...his job as a GM the past 4-6 years has been horrible...there is no way to spin it and once TB12 left it really got exposed...the tough part watching this is BB was always one-step ahead of the game but he is now one step behind, and he appears to have dug in his heels and is not open to new ideas as he has surrounded himself with yes-men...one other thing about this area is he hasn't been the same since Ernie Adams retired...no one knew exactly what Ernie did but everyone knew he was Bill's right-hand man but losing him (along with Dante) has hurt him in a big way.
*I think his age is a big issue...maybe bigger than we thought...makes sense...do you want a guy to come in and overhaul your organization then be gone in 3-4 years.
*I really wish he would retire and do some form of TV...he will always have his haters and the post-Brady era has done him no favors, but his legacy is cemented and while the Shula record would be nice it should not be a reason to keep coaching (my guess is his dislike for Shula plays into this)...when BB is not discussing his own team he is one of the most fascinating people in all of sports...he is a legit Savante and is unmatched in his knowledge of the history of the NFL...I also think showing this side of him would do far more to his legacy then getting that record.
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JohnnyU
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He’s never been TV friendly, so forget that.
farfromforgotten
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So you didn’t really want a summary?
Boston
Footballguy
Sorry but I disagree with this 100%...he was awesome in the top 100 players.
JohnnyU
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I suppose I can’t get how bad he was at press conferences out of my head. Not just by what he said, but how he said it. Perhaps a different venue would be different.
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Boston
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He could not be more different when he is discussing stuff that does not involve his team that he is passionate about...it is like a dual personality...some local media have gotten this treatment and they say there is nothing better.
themeistersinger
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I think in a press conference situation he wants to give out as little information as possible about his team. Being secretive about that is a job requirement as far as he is concerned. Selling tickets is somebody else's job.
He must be a good teacher or else he would not have had the success he did. He must be able to pick up things watching film that others don't. If he were to share that on a TV broadcast it would be must-see TV.
Boston
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He has done that with some local media and they say it's basically like listening to Einstein.
JohnnyU
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Kind of irritating listening to him in those press conferences He certainly didn’t come off as someone you wanted to listen to. I’m sure it probably would be better in a different setting.
massraider
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I don't think TV guy is BBs idea of a good time
Boston
Footballguy
I don't agree...he is not going to be calling games but put him in a setting like he was with the top 100 or something where he just breaks down stuff and I think he would thrive.
massraider
Footballguy
I would love it. It could be cool if he was doing that.
I don't think being a talking head is HIS idea of a good time.
Boston
Footballguy
It would have to be on his terms...no way he's doing anything corporate or with an "entertainment" angle...build him something in Nantucket and have him break down plays every week from the island.
I was saying similar and remembering how I used to say the only time he ever looks happy is when he's chatting with old players and talking of the old days.
Sometimes breaking down film or talking of it, he lights up.
I'd like the Sabol family to reach out to him. I'd like Greg Cosell too. Idk that Cosell still works for NFL films but he used to.
Selfishly for my enjoyment, I wonder if all their history and respect for it that they could present him with some project or some show he'd like to do.
JohnnyU
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I like and respect that approach. I love NFL films. RIP Steve and Ed Sabol, as well as John Fascenda.I was saying similar and remembering how I used to say the only time he ever looks happy is when he's chatting with old players and talking of the old days.
Sometimes breaking down film or talking of it, he lights up.
I'd like the Sabol family to reach out to him. I'd like Greg Cosell too. Idk that Cosell still works for NFL films but he used to.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
What are you referencing here? I really have no idea.
For the record, I’ve probably come across as harsh on BB but I really have a ton of respect for him and there’s no vitriol in my posts. Just reading the green as it lies today. He’s obviously one of the all time greats of the game. I’m surprised he didn’t bend to Atlanta some though because I think that wins record means a ton to him.
JohnnyU
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Dumb joke from the past. Google Robert Johnson and Mississippi crossroads, then you will get it.
I believe Quinn is still under contract and can't imagine Vrabel taking a demotion when he's already being paid. Think he's rather sit the year out.
Joe Banner tweeted yesterday that he was guessing Johnson in WAS and McDonald in SEA for the last two jobs, but he did say just a guess. I've thought myself they would go with Quinn but they can make that hire anytime they want so stands to reason the odds are they are eyeballing a coach whose team is still playing and hard to see that being anyone other then McDonald, and Johnson, so maybe he's right.
Da Franchise
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Yeah for Quinn the theory I saw was assistant HC/DC but now I see that loophole of “promotion” has been closed.
If Macdonald goes to Seattle that would seem to move Weaver to DC in Baltimore, so back to the drawing board in that case.
All indications seem to be Hank Farley will follow Johnson as OC, which is pretty exciting for me if it is indeed Washington. At this point I’d be totally shocked if it isn’t.
Tony Dews agrees with Jets to be RB coach. Breece Hall getting Henry's coach is not a bad idea at all. Remember I said earlier....reporter comment on X "all class" and on Sirius "right when he walks in the room you know he's the nicest guy."
Jets got a good one
Jets got a good one
Jeremy Fowler has Alex Tanney asking to explore other opportunities and being granted that by the Eagles.
The longtime backup QB turned QB coach has been praised by Daniel Jones and Jalen Hurts for explaining the game easily and understanding what it's like to be in their shoes.
Hurts tells a great story of coaches insisting on certain footwork his whole life even while he's got a DL about to hit him, yet Tanney talks about getting a step away and getting sure footing so he can use his hips and....
Anywho, Fowler says he's already got offers
The longtime backup QB turned QB coach has been praised by Daniel Jones and Jalen Hurts for explaining the game easily and understanding what it's like to be in their shoes.
Hurts tells a great story of coaches insisting on certain footwork his whole life even while he's got a DL about to hit him, yet Tanney talks about getting a step away and getting sure footing so he can use his hips and....
Anywho, Fowler says he's already got offers
Welcome
Faust is the man, just when I see something is all. Definitely defer to him
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And that was staged or rehearsed, what would he do on TV?
You wouldn't seriously put Bill in the booth would you? I can't even see him being a part of some pre-game show or studio crew.
It would be fascinating to have a 24-part series with 1 hour episodes just interviewing Bill and letting him slowly walk you thru his career and ask him i depth questions allowing him to share how the game has evolved or hasn't and let him talk for hours and hours, yes I agree that would be pretty good.
A Football Life and just make it about him all season.
Anything like you see on NBC, FOX, CBS, ESPN, NFLN, there's no way he would ever work at these places.
IMHO
@JFowlerESPN
#Seahawks passing game coordinator Sanjay Lal interviewed today with #Bears for offensive staff position.
Lal was with new OC Shane Waldron in SEA and is known for WR expertise
D.K. Metcalf: "‘He pushed me to be a great receiver. Broke down routes like I've never heard before
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Followup tweet that he removed himself from consideration.
Gotta wonder what happened there
#Seahawks passing game coordinator Sanjay Lal interviewed today with #Bears for offensive staff position.
Lal was with new OC Shane Waldron in SEA and is known for WR expertise
D.K. Metcalf: "‘He pushed me to be a great receiver. Broke down routes like I've never heard before
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Followup tweet that he removed himself from consideration.
Gotta wonder what happened there
Boston
Footballguy
The NFL is really amazing...they just keep figuring out how to get more popular...I say this because it feels like the attention to filling out coaching staffs has gone to another level this year...I have never seen it this intense and it feels like everyone now knows who all the up-and-coming Assistants are...that used to be just for the hardcore geeks...it truly is a 12 month a year sport now.
Titans fired Tim Kelly in the least surprising move of the off-season.
Vrabel's Ernie clone John Streicher was fired too.
Charles London not fired. Their QB guru is to meet with the new QB guru HC Callahan.
Very curious of Chris Harris. Callahan certainly knows of him.
Pat OHara (water boy movie) and some coaches sons usually make it through coaching staff changes. I'm curious how this coach's son will view them.
Vrabel's Ernie clone John Streicher was fired too.
Charles London not fired. Their QB guru is to meet with the new QB guru HC Callahan.
Very curious of Chris Harris. Callahan certainly knows of him.
Pat OHara (water boy movie) and some coaches sons usually make it through coaching staff changes. I'm curious how this coach's son will view them.
Welp I missed Luke Steckel being hired by the Bears to be an assistant OL coach and offensive assistant.
A coach's son that watches a ton of film and documents everything...hopefully he can transition more to coach and not just be the researcher everyone appreciates.
I see he turned down a job with Lafleur to go to Chicago and also interviewed for the Chargers OC job.
He was the run game coordinator and I will never forget his red face and literally struggling with tight lips when asked about Henry and if there's a disagreement with Kelly. Now it looks funny but to every Titans fan it was "say it, say it, throw him under the bus!" and he stayed professional. I don't think he did another interview since either
The Bears are going to be better prepared now.
Vrabel once told a story of his back hurting because he let Steckel have the only bed since he "never leaves" and ...he's a good piece for any organization.
A coach's son that watches a ton of film and documents everything...hopefully he can transition more to coach and not just be the researcher everyone appreciates.
I see he turned down a job with Lafleur to go to Chicago and also interviewed for the Chargers OC job.
He was the run game coordinator and I will never forget his red face and literally struggling with tight lips when asked about Henry and if there's a disagreement with Kelly. Now it looks funny but to every Titans fan it was "say it, say it, throw him under the bus!" and he stayed professional. I don't think he did another interview since either
The Bears are going to be better prepared now.
Vrabel once told a story of his back hurting because he let Steckel have the only bed since he "never leaves" and ...he's a good piece for any organization.
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