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2025 NFL Coaches on the hot seat & Front Office changes (3 Viewers)
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
My guess is something happened with BB and his contract and negotiating.
I've seen he and McKay have had prior disagreements and I think Boston mentioned that too. Could be this.
Idk...just super curious what the hang up was all of a sudden with BB
I had posted weeks ago how someone shared that the Chargers brass arranged to get/give him a suite at the Clippers arena
I'd like to know more about that now but strictly in a nosey none of my business way
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rockaction
Footballguy
Bill Callahan is likely to follow his son to Tennessee, according to reports. They're a bit speculative, but a few beats think that it's likely that Cleveland grants Bill permission to leave and coach with his son Brian.
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Will Brian Callahan bring in Bill Callahan as a part of his Titans staff?
It sounds like the Cleveland Browns are bracing for the loss of Callahan.
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InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Belichick was a failed coach. In CLE, no less...
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah, it took Tom Brady to make Bill Belichick.
He's a well known coach players love- does the classic stern face angry and big smile proud routine and ya know where ya stand with him.
He's also filled in helping with DBs and even OL.
I love it when he talks OL and why the heck don't we hear more DL/OL coaches talking about their practice competition and helping each other. Same team!
Titans OL didn't like Fred Carter and had been good soldiers not saying a word about him, but when he was fired they told stories. He was an unnecessary hard curse. I thought it was cool Williams was mentioned as a coach the OL would want.
It's all classic stuff- he works em real hard, they'd run thru a wall for him, and...so simple it's like what have we been doing with the other coaches? Why isn't everyone this obvious simple way?
He says things like I'm not playing him when a guy is hurt. Got a whole father figure vibe too.
He's worked with a lot of names as DCs and advisors and assistants so he's got a great background. I can sure ramble about that.
On the losing teams we get fed a lot of junk for newsy quotes and ...I know it's weird I rambled about these qualities but yet you'll notice right away- wow he's direct, no games. It's so refreshing
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
A lot of businesses seem to work that way. Boss ain't going to fire himself for screwups he can pin on those below him. Until it's his turn.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
A fairly high percentage of coordinator firings is the head coach either consciously saving himself or he’s coerced to make a change by the GM or owner.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - just seems to be more this year or perhaps it’s just recency bias.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yes, and many coaches succeed on their second team. Many don’t, but there’s a lot more to it than automatically assuming the guy can’t coach.
Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Tony Dungy were all fired. Bowles has been alright in Tampa.
Carolina’s bet on Vrabel could pay off.
Harbaugh wasn’t really a “failed coach”.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Glad I can get all 3 of you engaged on this with one post.
-Fangio getting fired was not McDaniel's call since he really didn't hire Fangio to begin with. I'm hearing about 7 OC types that reached out to Arthur Blank to join the Falcons even though they haven't announced the new head coach to my knowledge. What is going on with owners and GMs making staff decisions for their head coaches, is that a good sign or a bad sign about the head coach?
The Lions hired Campbell for a reclamation project and one of the reasons Campbell is so successful is he served as "Asst Head Coach" for 5 seasons under Sean Payton in NO and that experience allowed him to understand fully BOTH sides of the football. I think more OC/DC should step into an Asst HC position for at least 3-5 years before they are given full control.
There are exceptions but hiring these one sided coaches be it a hot up and coming OC or big young name at DC, they have not worked out well in the NFL by and large.
Special Teams coaches seem to do well, sometimes better than the OC/DC types. John Harbaugh spent time there, Campbell as well and I think McDermott up in Buffalo.
McDaniel for Miami has not won a thing since he took over 2 seasons ago and he took over a talented roster that was 10-7, 9-8 the 2 previous seasons, it's not like he took over a bunch of losers but he hasn't won a Playoff game yet and the needle for Miami really has not moved. This will be Mike McDaniel's 3rd DC in about 2 years/3 seasons, what does that tell you? The man knows diddly on defense and it makes it more painful when they don't score on Offense. When that combo happens, I question why he's the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
One trick ponies don't last long in the NFL.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Vic Fangio Defensive Coordinator coaching tree:
Now listen, every coach who gets hired ends up fired by 95-99% of the time, but this is not a good look.
Fangio's influence on the league is vast but personally I hate teams that play defense in this passive style of keeping everything in front of them. I would much rather have a risk taker that generates game changing plays (and occasionally gets smoked on an explosive bc you're overplaying one aspect.)
- Brandon Staley DC/HC (1 season Rams DC 3 seasons HC fired by Chargers 2023 currently unemployed)
- Joe Barry DC (fired by Redskins 2016 after 2 years fired by Packers 2024 after 3 years currently unemployed)
- Joe Barry DC (fired by Redskins 2016 after 2 years fired by Packers 2024 after 3 years currently unemployed)
- Ed Donatell DC (fired by Broncos 2021 after 3 years fired by Vikings 2022 after 1 year currently unemployed)
- Sean Desai DC (fired by Bears 2021 after 1 year fried by Eagles 2024 after 1 year currently unemployed)
- Joe Woods DC (fired by Browns after 3 years current Saints DC since 2023)
Now listen, every coach who gets hired ends up fired by 95-99% of the time, but this is not a good look.
Fangio's influence on the league is vast but personally I hate teams that play defense in this passive style of keeping everything in front of them. I would much rather have a risk taker that generates game changing plays (and occasionally gets smoked on an explosive bc you're overplaying one aspect.)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Dan Campbell is an offensive HC. Aidan Hutchinson said on the St Brown Brothers podcast he spends 90% + of his time with the offense, they hardly interact with him.
Aaron Glenn has a lot of autonomy but behind the scenes he's got John Fox to lean on (Jim Hostler serves a similar role on the offensive side - experienced guy who coaches the coaches.) MCDC and AG were together on that Saints staff for 5 years. He employs the aggressive style Campbell wants, but honestly I don't think Dan interferes on that side very often. The issues they have are largely a talent issue; until they get real Cornerbacks and get Hutch a pass rushing partner, there's only so much you can do.
Hopefully Brad Holmes concentrates on defense in the next player acquisition period. It's hard to imagine the offense getting much more efficient and we have some significant holes defensively.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm glad you shared that, good insight.
I still feel strongly that his time in New Orleans prepared him immensely for what he walked into in Detroit.
He might not meet with the players but I imagine he has some serious coaching meetings with everyone away from the players
I was extremely impressed with Dan when he took over in Miami and started off running the Oklahoma drill to start his 1st practice, thought that was awesome.
Miami blew out their 1st couple opponents and then the lack of talent started to take over.
You could tell Campbell had the right ingredients to become a head coach.
massraider
Footballguy
Ian on the Rich Eisen show was talking about "what's the hangup between Belichick and the Falcons"
He mentioned structure (personnel) and maybe McKay.
As I said before, Fontenot got Arthur the guys he wanted and/or the type he wanted. Even stories of Pees wanting some. I have little doubt Fontenot is a good GM match for Belichick but Ian mentioned "final say" and...yeah that could be an ego trip decision issue.
Ian figures Belichick also has staff he's told to wait and he'd bring them on.
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On Sirius yesterday, Weis said Vrabel is an interesting interview. He could be interested, could be telling Belichick what they said, could be planned for his staff etc. He wants to know how long Vrabel's interview is to show how interested the Falcons are also.
Ian mentioned Vrabel and BB connection too and unsure how that plays out here
He mentioned structure (personnel) and maybe McKay.
As I said before, Fontenot got Arthur the guys he wanted and/or the type he wanted. Even stories of Pees wanting some. I have little doubt Fontenot is a good GM match for Belichick but Ian mentioned "final say" and...yeah that could be an ego trip decision issue.
Ian figures Belichick also has staff he's told to wait and he'd bring them on.
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On Sirius yesterday, Weis said Vrabel is an interesting interview. He could be interested, could be telling Belichick what they said, could be planned for his staff etc. He wants to know how long Vrabel's interview is to show how interested the Falcons are also.
Ian mentioned Vrabel and BB connection too and unsure how that plays out here
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Exactly!
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
This is a win/win for Canales. If he fails, the media will be quick to blame Tepper and he'll get a paycheck for sitting at home and likely a second chance quickly. If he succeeds, the narrative will be "in spite of Tepper".
babydemon90
Footballguy
Welp, no Belichek with the Falcons... Is he done?
We don't know any of the details at all. Maybe Bill wanted too much money... or control. Or had a different vision than they wanted. Or maybe Bill told them he wasn't interested.
zamboni
Footballguy
Control would be my guess
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Not surprised - they are a garbage organization. One reason I never give them a penny and don’t bother watching the games most of the time.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
Only two chairs still empty - Raheem Morris to Falcons
Seahawks and Commanders still left - Bellichick and Vrabel still without a spot
Seahawks and Commanders still left - Bellichick and Vrabel still without a spot
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
My guess would be Quinn to Seattle and Johnson to DC, which would leave BB and Vrabel on the sidelines. But what do I know?
Boston
Footballguy
IMO this is the biggest issue...is BB willing to work without all or most of the power...not sure there are too many situation where he would...now, add in the fact he just decimated the Pats roster, and is 72 and I don't see too many situations where he would be given that opportunity...coaching Dallas under his buddy Jerry was the best fit and obviously that did not materialize...when it became apparent his days in Foxboro were numbered after the Indy debacle I would have bet $ he would have had his next spot in place right after the season...I'm really surprised that he actually put himself in a situation where he interviewed but not did actually get a job...I'd really like to see him retire and do some form of TV...someone on the radio said he should do something with Saban which would be fascinating.
On another note...the Atlanta coaching search was one of the more different ones I can recall...somehow, they got three big boys to interview in BB, Vrabel and Harbaugh as well as up-and-comers in Slowik and Johnson...yet ended up with Raheem Morris...not to take a shot at Morris but that had to be a little bit of a letdown if you are a Falcons fan.
That seems likely and for sure Ben Johnson can have a chair and that really just leaves one left.
BB is for sure not getting the other chair and Vrabel probably not either. I think it's also Quinn with Slowik possible.
Is this just the way the cookie crumbled or are we finally seeing a full on rejection of the Patriot Way? (I say that knowing Vrabel never coached for the Patriots so it's debateable if he should be included)
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