That one makes more sense. Get paired up with a young stud qb that you can grow with.
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2025 NFL Coaches on the hot seat & Front Office changes (10 Viewers)
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that's 2 pretty good moves by da bears
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I don't spend a ton of time in this thread, so apologies if this subject has been chewed over ad nauseam, but I've never understood why the league doesn't prohibit all interviews until after the Super Bowl. The argument I've always heard is that teams can't wait that long, but there are already a bunch of restrictions (only Zoom interviews during the wildcard round, etc.). Just make it a simple rule that no one can interview, make it a level playing field for every candidate and let teams deal with the new reality. What am I missing here?
zamboni
Footballguy
Totally agree - gives an unfair advantage to teams that are out of the playoffs by allowing them to get a jump on the interview process.
Going to predict the final head coaching hires:
Jaguars-Liam Cohen(this is kind of cheating based on recent report, but I thought he was the favorite after Ben Johnson took the Bears job)
Jets-Glenn but again cheating a bit, more then with Cohen really. I thought he'd be hired by the Saints, but I think it's also true the Jets got him inside the building right now and are determined to seal the deal before he leaves.
Raiders- Pete Carroll. They wanted Ben Johnson, will settle for culture builder for next 2-3 years to get them headed in the right direction.
Cowboys-Kellen Moore is the perfect Jerry hire.
Saints-I think they want Glenn, but if he's off the market. Worst job. Loomis has made very few staff changes over the years, last years staff was filled almost entirely with holdovers from the Sean Payton era. Which makes me think he might be seriously considering Rizzi. Oof. But I'm going to go with McCarthy because Loomis likes to stick with people he knows/worked with.
Jaguars-Liam Cohen(this is kind of cheating based on recent report, but I thought he was the favorite after Ben Johnson took the Bears job)
Jets-Glenn but again cheating a bit, more then with Cohen really. I thought he'd be hired by the Saints, but I think it's also true the Jets got him inside the building right now and are determined to seal the deal before he leaves.
Raiders- Pete Carroll. They wanted Ben Johnson, will settle for culture builder for next 2-3 years to get them headed in the right direction.
Cowboys-Kellen Moore is the perfect Jerry hire.
Saints-I think they want Glenn, but if he's off the market. Worst job. Loomis has made very few staff changes over the years, last years staff was filled almost entirely with holdovers from the Sean Payton era. Which makes me think he might be seriously considering Rizzi. Oof. But I'm going to go with McCarthy because Loomis likes to stick with people he knows/worked with.
Statorama
Footballguy
Saints are a veteran squad with some weapons on offense, and (like I said in the Saints thread) showed off some point-making potential early in the year. They are an old team with probably the worst cap issues in the league. No one who will generate excitement wants that Saints HC gig. So I see them getting a coach with HC experience and something to prove (Matt Nagy types) or retreads with some past success that can be used to generate moderate enthusiasm (McCarthy, Carroll)
If Rizzi doesn't get the head job he's moving on (likely to DEN). I like him, I think he's an amazing special teams coach, but I wasn't overly impressed with him as HC. He will be missed on ST though.
If they stay even relatively healthy, you can make an argument for them making the playoffs. So a McCarthy-type makes sense. But that dude is going to gain 200 pounds living in New Orleans.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Jags GM Baalke out as Coen WDs from HC search
Trent Baalke is out as the Jaguars' general manager, the team announced Wednesday.
All it took was Liam Cohen running for the hills for them to wise up.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Titans President of Football Operations Chad Brinker at today’s press conference to introduce new GM Mike Borgonzi: “We won’t pass on a generational talent with the first pick in the NFL Draft.”
Per Adam Schefter
Me thinks that they setting the bar a tad to high.
Per Adam Schefter
Me thinks that they setting the bar a tad to high.
zamboni
Footballguy
I guess any football exec worth his salt is going to try to prop up trade value to the extent possible, but seems clear that no current prospect is viewed as even close to generational in this draft.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Kalyn Kahler was on The athletic football show yesterday discussing This article about the role of agents in putting together coaching staffs, often with coaches who don’t really know each other. Also discussed the fact that the nfl tries to do a lot of work to explain to owners who good candidates would be and that most owners kind of have no idea what they are looking for in a head coach. Mays said that a coach who has been through interviews with 10 different owners told him that only 1 (Jeffrey Lurie) could actually articulate what it is he was looking for in a coach. So agents seem to be getting outsized power as market makers and middlemen to move the coaching wheels at all. Of course Bob Lemonte has been playing the game for decades, but I didn’t realize just how wide ranging these coaching agents are getting.
Apparently while ghosting them he told Tampa he was with an in ill child.
Honestly if I was the Jags, this would make me reconsider. It won't, in fact looks like he's getting full control, but it would make me look somewhere else.
And to be clear no problem at all with him changing his mind. None. But this seems rather unprofessional behavior, weasely I'd call it, for the guy I'm entrusting to turning around my franchise.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
This Coen situation has an odor attached to it. Just be up front and tell TB management like an adult what your intentions are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As a dude who just dealt for Maydield I’m so bummed.Jags GM Baalke out as Coen WDs from HC search
Trent Baalke is out as the Jaguars' general manager, the team announced Wednesday.www.espn.com
All it took was Liam Cohen running for the hills for them to wise up.
That said, Baker has been excellent for 2 years now, so maybe it’s not all on Cohen.
Will be interesting to see who the Bucs hire.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Agreed, but the Jags are such a mess upstairs maybe this is the only way to fix things. It’s weird because they seem to have the players to succeed just not the support.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Why would Cohen staying bum you out about Mayfield?As a dude who just dealt for Maydield I’m so bummed.Jags GM Baalke out as Coen WDs from HC search
Trent Baalke is out as the Jaguars' general manager, the team announced Wednesday.
All it took was Liam Cohen running for the hills for them to wise up.
That said, Baker has been excellent for 2 years now, so maybe it’s not all on Cohen.
Will be interesting to see who the Bucs hire.
And directly to my point, as soon as JAX fires Baalke we see Coen jump on board.
hes upset that he's leaving Baker for JaxWhy would Cohen staying bum you out about Mayfield?As a dude who just dealt for Maydield I’m so bummed.Jags GM Baalke out as Coen WDs from HC search
Trent Baalke is out as the Jaguars' general manager, the team announced Wednesday.
All it took was Liam Cohen running for the hills for them to wise up.
That said, Baker has been excellent for 2 years now, so maybe it’s not all on Cohen.
Will be interesting to see who the Bucs hire.
And directly to my point, as soon as JAX fires Baalke we see Coen jump on board.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
But he wasn't as of the time of that post, he's quoting me saying Coen was staying.
Right?! I don't see the draw for him or for them.
For LV, he's slightly older than Belichick. It's not like the Raiders are in a window. Or near a window. They're basically just Maxx Crosby, Brock Bowers and 1-2 o-lineman in a concrete bunker far from any windows.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Carroll in LV, huh? Russell Wilson reunion in the offing? Take 'im away, Mr. Davis! 
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wait what? I was bummed he’s leaving not staying.
He was expected to stay and I was elated. Now he’s leaving and I’m a little bummed because Mayfield just had his best year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes, I was - and you seem to have misunderstood.
I thought your link was about Balke getting fired & Cohen leaving. That was my bad.
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BlackCrowes
Footballguy
How bad is/was Balke? Damn.
As much as I'd love to have that happen it won't. Russell was maneuvering behind the scenes to get Carroll fired. There are even rumors that he got Schotty fired. Supposedly in each situation he said it was either me or him.Carroll in LV, huh? Russell Wilson reunion in the offing? Take 'im away, Mr. Davis!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Raiders hired Pete Carroll? Gotta admire the guy, he has Trump level energy despite his age.
That's not a political statement. I'm just saying I know I won't have the energy to be president or head coach when I'm in my 70s. Not that anyone is asking me to be.
That's not a political statement. I'm just saying I know I won't have the energy to be president or head coach when I'm in my 70s. Not that anyone is asking me to be.
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Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Unbelievable that he will be the oldest coach in the history of the NFL, and he just got hired.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think the bolded is the key - might have been his only opportunity to get back as HC.
I think the Raiders just want a professional head coach in the building who can bring some positivity and create a culture. It might be self-awareness on their part to understand they are not remotely ready to compete, don't have a QB, brutal division, but they do have a young roster, not really any onerous bad contracts on the books, loads of cap space and are taking a multi year approach. Believe their goal would be to have Carroll get things moving in the right direction in next 2-3 years before he hands it off.
Honestly the biggest negative to me on the Raiders side was that Carroll is usually going to have his team competing and playing hard which despite the lack of talent may be enough to keep them from bottoming out and getting a top 3-5 type pick to get the QB they need.
For Carroll, I'd cite IHEART's beggers can't be choosers comment. Was probably now or never for him to get back in the league as a head coach, don't think his age and taking two years away from the game was going to open any new doors for him.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
If my accounting is right, the Raiders still owe Jon Gruden 3 years at $10M a year, McDaniels 3 years at $10M a year, and Pierce 2 years at $5M a year. Carroll was making $15M a year in SEA. If the Raiders signed him for that amount (who knows if that's the case), their total outlay for this year for 4 coaches would be $40M.
Doubt Carroll is sniffing anything close to $15M and the Raiders will get some financial relief on McDaniels as whatever he's making with NE will come off what they owe him.
But while I know moving to Vegas has been a financial boom for Davis and the Raiders this kind of outlay, combined with stuff like paying so much cash to Davante Adams, might be why he started selling off major chunks of the team.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
NE over the last handful of years has made it a habit of scooping up coaches let go from other teams. IIRC, the league minimum for an OC is $400K a year, but I don't know if there is a salary scale that increases based on years of experience. I don't know the details on how little or how much a team has to pay coaches and coordinators in this situation or if NE could create a contract that would pay McDaniels the league minimum for 3 years and then $5 million a year thereafter. Not really sure how that works.
It's explained well here: https://sports.yahoo.com/mcdaniels-contract-pats-look-perry-170745833.html
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
The most amazing takeaway from that article is that Alex van pelt was just about the highest paid OC in the league
Donnybrook
Footballguy
SKOR North - Purple Daily crew is reporting that Sam Darnold was spotted on a recent flight to Vegas.
I feel like the Saints might end up being the big winners of the coaching sweepstakes. Every other job is full, and guys like Joe Brady, Kellen Moore, Todd Monken or even Mike McCarthy are still out there, and in my opinion, better options than most of the guys who got hired. They can fully vet anyone and take as much time as possible to hire the right guy.
rockaction
Footballguy
It's not all Coen. Baker was working his *** off to be a starting QB in the league and his hard work looks to have paid off. I don't know if it will last, but it would seem to be less about Coen and more about Baker.
honestly, hes a very good coach.
one of the things that impressed me is during his tenure in Seattle The seahawks and the Pats had the most undrafted players on the roster. a large part of that was that he developed those players and coached them up. Belechek did the same in New England(with better results). At the very least he will provide some good structure and discipline to that team which is not a bad place to start.
I'm not a big fan of the organization. Theyve been terribly managed and the rot came from the top. But Carroll is stubborn and he knows what he is doing. I dont see him caving into any pressure from above, but that might just mean he gets fired sooner than expected or it could mean the team actually will have a chance to turn things around.
only time will tell. I do like the move.
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