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4(102) Jordan Cameron, TE, Cleveland (1 Viewer)

It boggles my kind how far he has fallen: 1.4, 8.9, 6.2, 8.3 in PPR the last 4 games.

Yet, he is still maintaining the #3 TE rating in my PPR league at least. That just shows how impressive he was to open the season.

It's either him or Timothy Wright for me and I think Im going stick with Cameron. I also have Gordon so maybe if they go hard after him, Cameron will be running wild.

 
I'm torn.

I have Cameron and Green. I also have Gordon. If Gordon is shut down, Cameron may be the beneficiary. I don't want to miss out on that. I'd hate to have Cameron go off, who I traded for at the deadline hoping he'd bounce back for my playoff run. Right now, even though he has a ton of skill, Green's value has all been TD's. On the other hand, his snap count has increased significantly and they have a good matchup for TE this week vs. NYG.

Torn..

 
donkshow said:
I'm torn.

I have Cameron and Green. I also have Gordon. If Gordon is shut down, Cameron may be the beneficiary. I don't want to miss out on that. I'd hate to have Cameron go off, who I traded for at the deadline hoping he'd bounce back for my playoff run. Right now, even though he has a ton of skill, Green's value has all been TD's. On the other hand, his snap count has increased significantly and they have a good matchup for TE this week vs. NYG.

Torn..
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Same exact predicament.

 
zftcg said:
Toying with the idea of starting Jared Cook with his dream matchup @ ARI over him. Only problem is I'd have to drop TY Hilton or Ray Rice. Neither is likely to start for me ROS, but I hate to put them out on the wire right now. I'll probably stick with Cameron, but I don't love it.
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I'm taking Cook over Cameron this week. Big week 1 vs AZ and AZ has been awful vs TEs this year.

 
donkshow said:
I'm torn.

I have Cameron and Green. I also have Gordon. If Gordon is shut down, Cameron may be the beneficiary. I don't want to miss out on that. I'd hate to have Cameron go off, who I traded for at the deadline hoping he'd bounce back for my playoff run. Right now, even though he has a ton of skill, Green's value has all been TD's. On the other hand, his snap count has increased significantly and they have a good matchup for TE this week vs. NYG.

Torn..
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i can't bench either of them at this point. I've stuck with Cameron this entire time and I view him as my insurance incase NE goes hard after putting EVERYTHING into stopping Gordon. If Gordon gets shut down and Cameron blows up, it won't really matter for me because I've been starting them both all season almost. The last few weeks Gordon has been carrying that duo. If Cameron has to this week, then so be it. We all know after the start he had, he is more then capable of blowing up.

 
Yeah, I hear ya. And as I said, I acquired him FOR my playoff run. So would be stupid to bench him first game when if Gordon gets shut down, he'll likely go off big time.

 
donkshow said:
Yeah, I hear ya. And as I said, I acquired him FOR my playoff run. So would be stupid to bench him first game when if Gordon gets shut down, he'll likely go off big time.
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He put up 8 points against the 2nd worst defense against TE's. Now he's playing the Pats who are 21st.

I wouldn't be confident in starting him.

 
I guess I have to ask myself, would I be more pissed if I lost because Cameron went off on my bench when I started Green who put up a dud, or if Green went off on my bench and I started Cameron with a dud performance.

 
donkshow said:
I'm torn.

I have Cameron and Green. I also have Gordon. If Gordon is shut down, Cameron may be the beneficiary. I don't want to miss out on that. I'd hate to have Cameron go off, who I traded for at the deadline hoping he'd bounce back for my playoff run. Right now, even though he has a ton of skill, Green's value has all been TD's. On the other hand, his snap count has increased significantly and they have a good matchup for TE this week vs. NYG.

Torn..
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Same here. I'm starting Green.

(and starting Gordon of course, he is un-benchable)

 
Bit the bullet and waived Cameron for L. Green today. Felt good to finally stop chasing the dream of phantom numbers from September, and chase current upside instead. I'm not sure if the recent horrible QB play is really to blame for Cameron's slide. He drops TD passes that hit him in the hands, doesn't come up with a high percentage of targets completed, and seems to get blanketed pretty often for a former rebound king. Also, Gordon seems to do just fine with the rotating QB staff.

If Cameron were my only TE, or the season wasn't ending in three weekends, I might have kept him for a bench body to see if he might turn it around, but I also have Gates and there's no way I'm going to carry three TEs under any circumstances.

Bye bye Cam.

 
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LittlePhatty said:
donkshow said:
I'm torn.

I have Cameron and Green. I also have Gordon. If Gordon is shut down, Cameron may be the beneficiary. I don't want to miss out on that. I'd hate to have Cameron go off, who I traded for at the deadline hoping he'd bounce back for my playoff run. Right now, even though he has a ton of skill, Green's value has all been TD's. On the other hand, his snap count has increased significantly and they have a good matchup for TE this week vs. NYG.

Torn..
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Same here. I'm starting Green.

(and starting Gordon of course, he is un-benchable)
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Benching Gording was definitely never an option.

I'm now starting to think of Gordon at TE and Green in my flex. All my other options are PThomas (bad matchup) and Hilton who has been horrendous, as with all of the Colts offence the last 3 weeks. Might just give Green the Flex spot and then I don't have to kick myself if I bench one of Green/Gordon and they go off on my bench.

Hilton vs. Cinnci seems scary.

I just hope Cameron does something this week, he's been crap for too long!

 
Same predicament as many of you. Starting Gordon hands down. Even if Belichick wants to take him out of the game. Now the dillemma - Cameron, Green, Cook, or Josh Reed? In a touchdown heavy league this Green guy is a hot hand right now. I know how awful Arizona is to TE's, so Cook seems like a good start. Who knows about Reed and his injury and the state of affairs in Washington :unsure:

 
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Rotoworld:

Jason Campbell (concussion) and Brandon Weeden (concussion) have still not been cleared to practice.

Campbell and Weeden have been cleared for exercise, but not practice. It leaves Alex Tanney and Caleb Hanie to take the first-team reps at Wednesday's session. Even owners desperate for a quarterback in the deepest of leagues can simply ignore the situation, but owners of Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron need to be monitoring. A tough spot (at New Engalnd) would become even tougher if Tanney or Hanie end up starting.

Related: Caleb Hanie, Jordan Cameron, Alex Tanney, Josh Gordon

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Jason Campbell (concussion) and Brandon Weeden (concussion) have still not been cleared to practice.

Campbell and Weeden have been cleared for exercise, but not practice. It leaves Alex Tanney and Caleb Hanie to take the first-team reps at Wednesday's session. Even owners desperate for a quarterback in the deepest of leagues can simply ignore the situation, but owners of Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron need to be monitoring. A tough spot (at New Engalnd) would become even tougher if Tanney or Hanie end up starting.

Related: Caleb Hanie, Jordan Cameron, Alex Tanney, Josh Gordon

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
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This scares me a lot. I'd still use Gordon if it was the illegitimate offspring of Blaine Gabbert and Derek Anderson (which Hanie may be), but for Cameron it just compounds the worries I already have, and might push me over the edge for Cook.

 
Yenrub said:
Dare I start Celek over Cameron if Tanney is the QB?

Is that going too far down the TE list?
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I wouldn't. Cameron is due for a nice game and NE might sell out on stopping Gordon. All that extra attention to Gordon should really open up things for Cameron. If theyre forced to start QB #4 this week, they could lean heavily on their TE as a safety valve.

Let's face the facts: Cameron & Gordon are the Browns entire offense @ this point. Their only chance of winning is thru those two. I'll be starting both like I have all season long regardless of the QB

 
The more I think about this, the more I realize that you really can't say that Cameron has sucked since his early-season dominance. He's just reverted to being part of the great TE middle class.

As a point of comparison, look at 2012 Dennis Pitta. In what was largely considered his breakout season, Pitta finished the year with 61/669/7, good for TE8, and had a few really strong games, including TDs in two of his first three and a monster 7/125/2 in Week 15. Meanwhile, he also had four straight weeks where he failed to crack 33 yards, and another two where he only had one catch.

Cameron has already matched those numbers this year, and even with continued mediocre output will probably finish no worse than TE6 or 7. Unfortunately for his owners, he has so far bunched almost all his good games in the first four weeks of the season.

So what conclusions can we draw? On the one hand, he's still probably above replacement level, so you have no guarantee that anyone you pick up off the WW will do better ROS. On the other, he's probably just a match-up play at this point, which would argue in favor of subbing in, say, Cook for him this weekend.

And of course, if the Browns are reduced to starting their fourth-string QB, all bets are off.

 
i think the problem people have with Cameron are his numbers are so top heavy (monster games early on) that when the season is over you can look back and say yes Cameron had a solid top 6 te year.. but in the here and now he is averaging around 6-7 points a game last 4 games

 
ebsteelers said:
i think the problem people have with Cameron are his numbers are so top heavy (monster games early on) that when the season is over you can look back and say yes Cameron had a solid top 6 te year.. but in the here and now he is averaging around 6-7 points a game last 4 games
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Right, but that's what most TEs will end up doing. The difference is you typically have no idea when they'll be good or bad (just ask anyone who started Kyle Rudolph last year). At least with Cameron we now have some clue.

My point is, he's not Trent Richardson or Ray Rice, who you were starting for multiple weeks even as they were killing your team. If you had had the foresight to bench Cameron after Week 4 and streamed TEs the rest of the way, you might not have ended up any better. We're just all disappointed because we thought we had so much more.

 
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I think Cameron spolied all of us early on. We all know he is capable of the Graham/Gronk type games. So it's just really disappointing to see him putting up the stinkers he has been lately. Like I've said, I can't complain too much, I got him in the 10th or later in all my drafts. To get a top 5 guy at his position that late, I'll take it every time. I've picked up Ladarius Green now for insurance. Looking back, I probably should've snagged another TE earlier, but I kept waiting for Cameron to go back to his earlier production. I still think he can have a game like that, I just don't know when.

 
I'm not sure its a fair comparison to Pitta... Cameron is faster and more athletic than him. That's why I still think the early season numbers can be realized if the browns QB position is stabilized by Hoyer or someone else next year. As for this year, he's had 25 targets over the last 3 games, I feel like he's due to get in the endzone and possible mutiple times, but I can no longer keep waiting this season.

 
This is his final game for me (I said that last week), but given that Gordon may be the complete defensive gameplan for the Pats, and the fact that the Browns QB could be who the hell knows, he could get a lot of checkdown dumps. If Gordon is shut down, I want to reap the (hopeful) benefits of Cameron getting all the balls.

 
zftcg said:
ebsteelers said:
i think the problem people have with Cameron are his numbers are so top heavy (monster games early on) that when the season is over you can look back and say yes Cameron had a solid top 6 te year.. but in the here and now he is averaging around 6-7 points a game last 4 games
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Right, but that's what most TEs will end up doing. The difference is you typically have no idea when they'll be good or bad (just ask anyone who started Kyle Rudolph last year). At least with Cameron we now have some clue.

My point is, he's not Trent Richardson or Ray Rice, who you were starting for multiple weeks even as they were killing your team. If you had had the foresight to bench Cameron after Week 4 and streamed TEs the rest of the way, you might not have ended up any better. We're just all disappointed because we thought we had so much more.
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good post.. at this rate if he can get me 9 or 10 points in a ppr i would be happy my other options are clay and green.

both who are boom or bust as well..

 
I'd also argue that outside of Graham/Gronk, all other TEs have been very boom or bust. Vernon Davis and Julius Thomas are probably the only 2 other TEs that are close to the top level, but everyone else is pretty interchangable. We all knew that going into the season.

 
Campbell news is good for Gordon, bad for Cameron, who had his worst games of the season when JC was under center.

Picked up Cook, but haven't decided whether to start him yet. Mostly, I wanted to make sure my opponent this week, whose only TE is Delanie Walker, didn't grab him and start him against me.

Cook is clearly a one-week rental, and Arizona's next two opposing TEs (Walker and Miller) are already rostered in my league, so chances are unless someone else emerges I'll go back to Cameron starting next week.

 
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How would you guys rank these in PPR:

J.Cameron

D.Walker

Z.Miller

L.Green

I have the 1st 3 already rostered and trying to play keep away. Wondering if I should drop one of them and pick up Green and start him this week

 
andyk803 said:
How would you guys rank these in PPR:

J.Cameron

D.Walker

Z.Miller

L.Green

I have the 1st 3 already rostered and trying to play keep away. Wondering if I should drop one of them and pick up Green and start him this week
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They all have their merits. Walker and Miller both have dream matchups with ARI coming up. Green has the highest upside. And Cameron is probably the "safest" option (it's all relative).

Keep an eye on Walker's concussion status, though. Not clear if he plays this week.

 
Cameron has two great matchups week 15 and 16.

I'm not starting him this week (Fleener), but please...please show me reason to start you again in the playoffs. Please?

 
All this chatter about Billy Belly shutting down Gordon is starting to mke me wonder...

We are on the verge of another huge game for Josh.

As for Cameron....more of the same. Book it.

 
Ive got Gordon as well so I'm going to hedge my bets by sticking with Cameron.

If NE truly does focus all of their defense on stopping Gordon, then Cameron should have plenty of room in the middle of that defense to make catches.

Its really just Cameron and Gordon at this point. We and the Browns coaches know he can be a Gronk/Graham type player from what he did first quarter of the season.

I also dont think any of the TE on my WW come close to his potential.

I've rolled with Gordon and Cameron this entire year so I'm going to dance with who brought me in by far the biggest game Ive had all season in FF

 
Not that anybody cares, but decided to roll with both Cameron and Green (over Hilton in the Flex).

After Graham crushed Tate last night, this is where I'm going. Terrible start to the playoffs.

 
Pietaster2 said:
Bit the bullet and waived Cameron for L. Green today. Felt good to finally stop chasing the dream of phantom numbers from September, and chase current upside instead. I'm not sure if the recent horrible QB play is really to blame for Cameron's slide. He drops TD passes that hit him in the hands, doesn't come up with a high percentage of targets completed, and seems to get blanketed pretty often for a former rebound king. Also, Gordon seems to do just fine with the rotating QB staff.

If Cameron were my only TE, or the season wasn't ending in three weekends, I might have kept him for a bench body to see if he might turn it around, but I also have Gates and there's no way I'm going to carry three TEs under any circumstances.

Bye bye Cam.
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Goes to show that you really never know when a trend will be broken in fantasy football. Who could have possibly predicted today's performance after the past several weeks of mediocrity? Cameron has been getting lots of targets lately, but never did anything with them. Today, he did.

 
I cut him too... and the Gronk owner in my league picked him up this morning as his back up TE... very good luck for him... not so much for me.

 
In the current landscape of NFL TE's, there really aren't too many sure things. Other then Jimmy Graham and maybe Thomas, TE production is tough to come by.

Cameron has shown in the past he is capable of producing big games so why not stick with him?

Gordon and him won me my game yesterday and I don't see either of them leaving my lineup.

The best part is, I got both of them after round 10.

 
I didn't expect this (benched him for Jared Cook, though thankfully it didn't cost me), but I think it validates my thesis that Cameron was never as bad as he looked the past few weeks, and had merely rejoined the Great TE Middle Class.

Ask yourself this: Would you be any more or less surprised by a 6/110/2 line next week as you would be by a 2/17/0? That's what it's like to own one of those TEs, and you're going to get a few of each throughout a season.

Again, that's not a reason to bench him, just to keep expectations in check (in both directions). I like his matchup next week with Chicago, but I also like Pitta's with Detroit, and might also consider DWalker with the dream schedule of AZ/Jax the next two weeks. I see all three TEs as being about the same, and it's impossible to predict which will do better. I'll probably roll with Cameron more for my own sanity than anything else.

 
smapdi said:
In the current landscape of NFL TE's, there really aren't too many sure things. Other then Jimmy Graham and maybe Thomas, TE production is tough to come by.

Cameron has shown in the past he is capable of producing big games so why not stick with him?
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I'm usually an always start the guys that got you here, but he hasn't really been that guy the previous 4 weeks going 0, 2, 3 and 4 points. I sat him this week in favor of Bennett tonight, thinking an offensive display, and trying to cancel out some points against my opponent who has McCown. :shrug: I'm disappointed but not that pissed with myself... yet. I may feel worse in the morning.

 
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