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Frank Gore's progress.
To say Barlow isn't great it wrong, because he was playing last season with a horrible offsensive line. Everytime he would get the ball he was already getting tackled. We can't judge to harshly, however he doesn't show that great determination other backs have. If Gore gets the job, it would be great. Gore has something to prove and he was a killer running back. If it wasn't for the injuries it would of been gore going in the first round instead of McGahee.
To say Barlow isn't great it wrong, because he was playing last season with a horrible offsensive line. Everytime he would get the ball he was already getting tackled. We can't judge to harshly, however he doesn't show that great determination other backs have. If Gore gets the job, it would be great. Gore has something to prove and he was a killer running back. If it wasn't for the injuries it would of been gore going in the first round instead of McGahee.
At this point it's impossible to say that he is as good, or better than, mcgahee or portis because we haven't had a chance to see what he can do in the NFL yet. Once he gets an opportunity, than we will know. But, based on his limited performance in arguably the best football program in the country, he does have some ability, and I don't think all those skillz just evaporate all of a sudden in four years. Also, when you talk about the injury's, Gore is 22yrs old, he is a young guy that can recover from injury a lot quicker than older backs. With medical technology where it is at this point, the chance is definitely there for him to battle back from this. He's being talked about like he's 32 yrs old, trying to overcome injury's like this, which is a different story all together.
sheerterror
Footballguy
I don't care if Gore is 18 years old. He's torn the main stabilizing ligament in his knee, twice. I'm not saying that he cannot or hasn't recovered from it, or that it is impossible to do so (see Edge, J. Lewis) but the fact is that he has a ways to go to prove that he can still perform at that same high level he was at pre-injury.I'm not trying to write Gore off by any means. I just don't think that it's right for people to assume that just because he was a highly regarded prospect out of high school and performed at a very high level early in his college career that he will automatically be able to take an NFL running back's job despite having torn his ACL twice. Until he proves that he is fully recovered (and again, he may very well be on his way, not disputing that) and that he can handle the NFL game, I won't be so quick to hand Barlow's job over to Gore just because Barlow had a sub par year last season.At this point it's impossible to say that he is as good, or better than, mcgahee or portis because we haven't had a chance to see what he can do in the NFL yet. Once he gets an opportunity, than we will know. But, based on his limited performance in arguably the best football program in the country, he does have some ability, and I don't think all those skillz just evaporate all of a sudden in four years. Also, when you talk about the injury's, Gore is 22yrs old, he is a young guy that can recover from injury a lot quicker than older backs. With medical technology where it is at this point, the chance is definitely there for him to battle back from this. He's being talked about like he's 32 yrs old, trying to overcome injury's like this, which is a different story all together.
Edit: I don't think anyone is talking about Gore like he is 32 years old trying to recover. The fact is when you think running back and ACL tears, you think trouble until shown otherwise.
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jurb26
Footballguy
No, they are simply talking like he NEVER had talent in the 1st place which is simply as false as it can get. Him regaining that ability and NEVER having it in the 1st place are 2 very different and seperate issues which a lot of people seem to have a very tough time grasping for some reason. I have yet to hear Gore supporters claim he was the same back as he was back then. Only that It is foolish to assume he NEVER can be again, or at least come close to it. A lot of people were saying this very same thing about Willis this time last year and 2 years ago.I don't care if Gore is 18 years old. He's torn the main stabilizing ligament in his knee, twice. I'm not saying that he cannot or hasn't recovered from it, or that it is impossible to do so (see Edge, J. Lewis) but the fact is that he has a ways to go to prove that he can still perform at that same high level he was at pre-injury.I'm not trying to write Gore off by any means. I just don't think that it's right for people to assume that just because he was a highly regarded prospect out of high school and performed at a very high level early in his college career that he will automatically be able to take an NFL running back's job despite having torn his ACL twice. Until he proves that he is fully recovered (and again, he may very well be on his way, not disputing that) and that he can handle the NFL game, I won't be so quick to hand Barlow's job over to Gore just because Barlow had a sub par year last season.At this point it's impossible to say that he is as good, or better than, mcgahee or portis because we haven't had a chance to see what he can do in the NFL yet. Once he gets an opportunity, than we will know. But, based on his limited performance in arguably the best football program in the country, he does have some ability, and I don't think all those skillz just evaporate all of a sudden in four years. Also, when you talk about the injury's, Gore is 22yrs old, he is a young guy that can recover from injury a lot quicker than older backs. With medical technology where it is at this point, the chance is definitely there for him to battle back from this. He's being talked about like he's 32 yrs old, trying to overcome injury's like this, which is a different story all together.
Edit: I don't think anyone is talking about Gore like he is 32 years old trying to recover. The fact is when you think running back and ACL tears, you think trouble until shown otherwise.
Yeah i agree. I just keep hearing people harp on the injury issue, which i can understand, but it is very possible to recover from this. Especially at his age, there are many example of guys recovering from ligament tears. As far as his talent, all you have to do is look at his numbers at the U, and they speak for themselves. I've seen it first hand...No, they are simply talking like he NEVER had talent in the 1st place which is simply as false as it can get. Him regaining that ability and NEVER having it in the 1st place are 2 very different and seperate issues which a lot of people seem to have a very tough time grasping for some reason. I have yet to hear Gore supporters claim he was the same back as he was back then. Only that It is foolish to assume he NEVER can be again, or at least come close to it. A lot of people were saying this very same thing about Willis this time last year and 2 years ago.I don't care if Gore is 18 years old. He's torn the main stabilizing ligament in his knee, twice. I'm not saying that he cannot or hasn't recovered from it, or that it is impossible to do so (see Edge, J. Lewis) but the fact is that he has a ways to go to prove that he can still perform at that same high level he was at pre-injury.I'm not trying to write Gore off by any means. I just don't think that it's right for people to assume that just because he was a highly regarded prospect out of high school and performed at a very high level early in his college career that he will automatically be able to take an NFL running back's job despite having torn his ACL twice. Until he proves that he is fully recovered (and again, he may very well be on his way, not disputing that) and that he can handle the NFL game, I won't be so quick to hand Barlow's job over to Gore just because Barlow had a sub par year last season.At this point it's impossible to say that he is as good, or better than, mcgahee or portis because we haven't had a chance to see what he can do in the NFL yet. Once he gets an opportunity, than we will know. But, based on his limited performance in arguably the best football program in the country, he does have some ability, and I don't think all those skillz just evaporate all of a sudden in four years. Also, when you talk about the injury's, Gore is 22yrs old, he is a young guy that can recover from injury a lot quicker than older backs. With medical technology where it is at this point, the chance is definitely there for him to battle back from this. He's being talked about like he's 32 yrs old, trying to overcome injury's like this, which is a different story all together.
Edit: I don't think anyone is talking about Gore like he is 32 years old trying to recover. The fact is when you think running back and ACL tears, you think trouble until shown otherwise.
Irish
Footballguy
If he ever had talent in the 1st place is irrelevant because he doesn't have it right now. I think it's foolish to assume he automatically regains this so called talent back. I doubt Nolan is gonna risk the franchise qb by playing a rookie rb who has missed most of camp with yet another injury.No, they are simply talking like he NEVER had talent in the 1st place which is simply as false as it can get. Him regaining that ability and NEVER having it in the 1st place are 2 very different and seperate issues which a lot of people seem to have a very tough time grasping for some reason. I have yet to hear Gore supporters claim he was the same back as he was back then. Only that It is foolish to assume he NEVER can be again, or at least come close to it. A lot of people were saying this very same thing about Willis this time last year and 2 years ago.I don't care if Gore is 18 years old. He's torn the main stabilizing ligament in his knee, twice. I'm not saying that he cannot or hasn't recovered from it, or that it is impossible to do so (see Edge, J. Lewis) but the fact is that he has a ways to go to prove that he can still perform at that same high level he was at pre-injury.I'm not trying to write Gore off by any means. I just don't think that it's right for people to assume that just because he was a highly regarded prospect out of high school and performed at a very high level early in his college career that he will automatically be able to take an NFL running back's job despite having torn his ACL twice. Until he proves that he is fully recovered (and again, he may very well be on his way, not disputing that) and that he can handle the NFL game, I won't be so quick to hand Barlow's job over to Gore just because Barlow had a sub par year last season.At this point it's impossible to say that he is as good, or better than, mcgahee or portis because we haven't had a chance to see what he can do in the NFL yet. Once he gets an opportunity, than we will know. But, based on his limited performance in arguably the best football program in the country, he does have some ability, and I don't think all those skillz just evaporate all of a sudden in four years. Also, when you talk about the injury's, Gore is 22yrs old, he is a young guy that can recover from injury a lot quicker than older backs. With medical technology where it is at this point, the chance is definitely there for him to battle back from this. He's being talked about like he's 32 yrs old, trying to overcome injury's like this, which is a different story all together.
Edit: I don't think anyone is talking about Gore like he is 32 years old trying to recover. The fact is when you think running back and ACL tears, you think trouble until shown otherwise.
You don't have a clue whether or not he has the talent right now or not. He needs an opportunity first, then we can evaluate. Having talent in the first place IS relevant because without it, he wouldn't have been selected in the third round, or ANY round for that matterIf he ever had talent in the 1st place is irrelevant because he doesn't have it right now. I think it's foolish to assume he automatically regains this so called talent back. I doubt Nolan is gonna risk the franchise qb by playing a rookie rb who has missed most of camp with yet another injury.No, they are simply talking like he NEVER had talent in the 1st place which is simply as false as it can get. Him regaining that ability and NEVER having it in the 1st place are 2 very different and seperate issues which a lot of people seem to have a very tough time grasping for some reason. I have yet to hear Gore supporters claim he was the same back as he was back then. Only that It is foolish to assume he NEVER can be again, or at least come close to it. A lot of people were saying this very same thing about Willis this time last year and 2 years ago.I don't care if Gore is 18 years old. He's torn the main stabilizing ligament in his knee, twice. I'm not saying that he cannot or hasn't recovered from it, or that it is impossible to do so (see Edge, J. Lewis) but the fact is that he has a ways to go to prove that he can still perform at that same high level he was at pre-injury.I'm not trying to write Gore off by any means. I just don't think that it's right for people to assume that just because he was a highly regarded prospect out of high school and performed at a very high level early in his college career that he will automatically be able to take an NFL running back's job despite having torn his ACL twice. Until he proves that he is fully recovered (and again, he may very well be on his way, not disputing that) and that he can handle the NFL game, I won't be so quick to hand Barlow's job over to Gore just because Barlow had a sub par year last season.At this point it's impossible to say that he is as good, or better than, mcgahee or portis because we haven't had a chance to see what he can do in the NFL yet. Once he gets an opportunity, than we will know. But, based on his limited performance in arguably the best football program in the country, he does have some ability, and I don't think all those skillz just evaporate all of a sudden in four years. Also, when you talk about the injury's, Gore is 22yrs old, he is a young guy that can recover from injury a lot quicker than older backs. With medical technology where it is at this point, the chance is definitely there for him to battle back from this. He's being talked about like he's 32 yrs old, trying to overcome injury's like this, which is a different story all together.
Edit: I don't think anyone is talking about Gore like he is 32 years old trying to recover. The fact is when you think running back and ACL tears, you think trouble until shown otherwise.
Irish
Footballguy
All we have to go on is how he performed last yr and at the combine and those results are not very good IMO. How come no Gore supporters point to the fact that he has missed most of camp with a shoulder injury and that coaches are very reluctant to play a rookie rb when they have a franchise qb to protect?You don't have a clue whether or not he has the talent right now or not. He needs an opportunity first, then we can evaluate. Having talent in the first place IS relevant because without it, he wouldn't have been selected in the third round, or ANY round for that matterIf he ever had talent in the 1st place is irrelevant because he doesn't have it right now. I think it's foolish to assume he automatically regains this so called talent back. I doubt Nolan is gonna risk the franchise qb by playing a rookie rb who has missed most of camp with yet another injury.No, they are simply talking like he NEVER had talent in the 1st place which is simply as false as it can get. Him regaining that ability and NEVER having it in the 1st place are 2 very different and seperate issues which a lot of people seem to have a very tough time grasping for some reason. I have yet to hear Gore supporters claim he was the same back as he was back then. Only that It is foolish to assume he NEVER can be again, or at least come close to it. A lot of people were saying this very same thing about Willis this time last year and 2 years ago.I don't care if Gore is 18 years old. He's torn the main stabilizing ligament in his knee, twice. I'm not saying that he cannot or hasn't recovered from it, or that it is impossible to do so (see Edge, J. Lewis) but the fact is that he has a ways to go to prove that he can still perform at that same high level he was at pre-injury.I'm not trying to write Gore off by any means. I just don't think that it's right for people to assume that just because he was a highly regarded prospect out of high school and performed at a very high level early in his college career that he will automatically be able to take an NFL running back's job despite having torn his ACL twice. Until he proves that he is fully recovered (and again, he may very well be on his way, not disputing that) and that he can handle the NFL game, I won't be so quick to hand Barlow's job over to Gore just because Barlow had a sub par year last season.At this point it's impossible to say that he is as good, or better than, mcgahee or portis because we haven't had a chance to see what he can do in the NFL yet. Once he gets an opportunity, than we will know. But, based on his limited performance in arguably the best football program in the country, he does have some ability, and I don't think all those skillz just evaporate all of a sudden in four years. Also, when you talk about the injury's, Gore is 22yrs old, he is a young guy that can recover from injury a lot quicker than older backs. With medical technology where it is at this point, the chance is definitely there for him to battle back from this. He's being talked about like he's 32 yrs old, trying to overcome injury's like this, which is a different story all together.
Edit: I don't think anyone is talking about Gore like he is 32 years old trying to recover. The fact is when you think running back and ACL tears, you think trouble until shown otherwise.
Gore is a gimp, always has been always will be. At this point, you'll get the same production drafting Ben Gay as you will Frank Gore. Ben Gay lived off his high school achievements for a few years. Gore is another one of those guys who is living off his past. Gore did nothing in college to suggest he can be a successful pro. Gore MIGHT be an ok career backup, and really for him that's not too bad. There's no other job that will earn him the coin he can make as an NFL backup.
Actually that's not true at all.. All we really have to go on is his game film from college, which was stellar. The combine is nothing more than a place that coaches, GM's and front office people can get a first hand look at you workout.. Any NFL coach will tell you in a minute they don't assess a player's value soley on the combine.. All you have to do is look at any draft ranking sheet before and after the combine.. it's pretty much the same...I guarantee without the film of his past performance, he wouldn't have gotten drafted where he did, if at all..
Irish
Footballguy
From NFL.com about GoreMore effective when used to move the chains rather than go for the big gainer, as he does not have the speed to bounce outside, lacking the burst to consistently reach the edge … Willing blocker, but his hits pack little power and he frequently lunges at the ankles of defenders, making him of little use vs. the blitz … Has to line up tighter to the line in order to gain advantage, as he does not show explosion coming out of his stance … Not used much as a receiver, as he has stiff hands and will either cradle the ball or double catch … Rounds his cuts and fails to defeat the press when lining up in the slot in short passing situations … Has the lower-body strength to break tackles, but does not protect himself well vs. leg tackles … Very low intelligence test score (6) brings concerns about his ability to digest a complicated playbook.I don't think Mr York wants to see Smith get killed his 1st yr.
kevthegrad
Footballguy
He just always smelled so mediciny! Damned Ben Gay.
(I still don't understand this smile icon)
switz
Footballguy
That predraft synopsis could have fit a ton of players... no one knows until we see NFL action... HC Nolan has said he'd like to have Gore in for 12 plays and at least 6 carries this weekend... we'll see...I'm not sure anyone is saying Gore is going to beat out Barlow for the job this year anyway, just that he will cut into Barlow's time, and probably replace him down the line...
Agreed. I dont put much faith in anybody until they see NFL regular season snaps, and by the same token i dont write anybody off. Gore has a lot of question marks besides injury in my book, although he seems like a real hard worker which is always a good sign. Like I said before I think he will push Barlow and may be the best thing for him, but i just dont see him taking the job away any time soon. If Barlow is getting stuffed Gore will in all likelihood get stuffed, and Barlow has more dimensions as a RB to offer.
Irish
Footballguy
-- Nolan: Running Game is Foundation of 49ers Offense --Thu Aug 18, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com#The San Francisco Chronicle reports 49ers HC Mike Nolan said Wednesday he expected the running game "to be the foundation of our offense.'' "I like our running backs -- Kevan Barlow, (rookie) Frank Gore, Maurice Hicks,'' Nolan said. "(Rookie free agent) Bobby Purify got a lot of work today, and I liked what I saw of him. Of course, we realize that our running game will be only as good as our offensive line. We were pretty patched up for the Raiders game and we'll be young, but I think we'll be all right there.'' Gore (shoulder), the 49ers' third-round draft pick, has been injured. Though he suited up Wednesday, Nolan held him out of the contact drills. "He's going all out, but I don't want him to get hit here,'' he said. "He'll get hit in the game (against the Broncos in Denver on Saturday). I don't imagine the Broncos will hold back.'' Nolan dodged a question about whether Gore would spell Barlow during the regular season or compete for the starting job. "Right now, his challenge is just to get healthy,'' he said.
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
Thanks, coach.
Lord Farquaad
Footballguy
don't you mean, here comes Gore pimpersWell, here comes Gore.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
15 carries is nothing to get excited about. This reminds me of all the Suggs-vs-Green arguments that dominated the board last year. As it turned out, neither one of them was worth a crap.damn right.Well, here comes Gore.
DaddyFatSacks
Footballguy
What is this 15 carries that you speak of?Gore was just put on waivers in my league, should I pick him up?15 carries is nothing to get excited about. This reminds me of all the Suggs-vs-Green arguments that dominated the board last year. As it turned out, neither one of them was worth a crap.damn right.Well, here comes Gore.
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
Definitely grab Gore. Definitely.
