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4th annual FBG chess tourney- Congrats to Kasparov! 1st place (1 Viewer)
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John Bender
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timschochet
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You mean for black? There's lots of easy wins for black, but Em on his own will never find them. He's just focused on winning pieces. White can regroup with c3 followed by Kc2, bring the bishop out. White loses his rook but against Eminence that won't matter.
Kasparov
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timschochet
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Based on Eminence's previous play, here's how I would expect the rest of this game to go down- (assume 20 moves have already gone by):
21. f3 Nc2+
22. kf2 Nxa1
23. Bf4 Nh6
24. Qxf6 fxg4
25. Bxg4+ Qe6
26. Qxe6+ Rd7
27. Qxd7+ Kb8
28. Bxc7+ Ka8
29. Bb6 Bd5
30. Qa7#
It might not take that long.
21. f3 Nc2+
22. kf2 Nxa1
23. Bf4 Nh6
24. Qxf6 fxg4
25. Bxg4+ Qe6
26. Qxe6+ Rd7
27. Qxd7+ Kb8
28. Bxc7+ Ka8
29. Bb6 Bd5
30. Qa7#
It might not take that long.
timschochet
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SacramentoBob
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That position is hopeless for white.
timschochet
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Not if black is Eminence!
timschochet
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We knew that. But we're talking about chess now.
John Bender
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All this talk of em's computer chess reminded of a cool (famous) chess puzzle that's a bit of anomaly in that it shows black as winning even after 40 lines of engine analysis
Here's the initial position showing that Black is winning
White to move:
Promoting to Queen leads to a fork with a check on the King and the black Knight picks up the newly minted Queen
Yet the computers suggested move is to promote anyway :???:
The correct move is Nf6+
This sends the computer analysis to -1.3 to -3.1 :whoa: - now the pawn can promote successfully because it would come with check and there would be no chance to play Nf6+ for black
Kg7 is the computer's best move. The analysis is now up to -3.6 in favor of black.
The computer suggests Nf4+
The key is to ignore it and play Bc2+ and allow the king to take the knight, making the analysis now -8.8 in favor of black
Now we promote the pawn to a Queen, once again ignoring the computer suggested move of Bd1+, making the analysis -8.8. in favor of black....
Until the computer gets to think for about 30 seconds and all of a sudden we have +3.6 for white, after ignoring all of Stockfish's suggested moves to this point.
Now, we allow the fork to occur with Nf6+
Ke6
Nxd8+
Kf5
Now we have a forced mate in 10
My favorite puzzle just because it's one of the rare ones the computer is unable to understand and I think it's pretty cool. Thought I'd share
Open up the initial link and use this PGN to see for yourself if interested:
1. Nf6+ Kg7
2. Nh5+ Kg6
3. Bc2+ Kxh5
4. d8=Q Nf7+
5. Ke6 Nxd8+
Here's the initial position showing that Black is winning
White to move:
Promoting to Queen leads to a fork with a check on the King and the black Knight picks up the newly minted Queen
Yet the computers suggested move is to promote anyway :???:
The correct move is Nf6+
This sends the computer analysis to -1.3 to -3.1 :whoa: - now the pawn can promote successfully because it would come with check and there would be no chance to play Nf6+ for black
Kg7 is the computer's best move. The analysis is now up to -3.6 in favor of black.
The computer suggests Nf4+
The key is to ignore it and play Bc2+ and allow the king to take the knight, making the analysis now -8.8 in favor of black
Now we promote the pawn to a Queen, once again ignoring the computer suggested move of Bd1+, making the analysis -8.8. in favor of black....
Until the computer gets to think for about 30 seconds and all of a sudden we have +3.6 for white, after ignoring all of Stockfish's suggested moves to this point.
Now, we allow the fork to occur with Nf6+
Ke6
Nxd8+
Kf5
Now we have a forced mate in 10
My favorite puzzle just because it's one of the rare ones the computer is unable to understand and I think it's pretty cool. Thought I'd share
Open up the initial link and use this PGN to see for yourself if interested:
1. Nf6+ Kg7
2. Nh5+ Kg6
3. Bc2+ Kxh5
4. d8=Q Nf7+
5. Ke6 Nxd8+
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tommyboy
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I just spent 5 mins catching up on this thread, I have to admit that's the most I've laughed out loud in a long time, and your comment above was the icing on the cake.
Rotfl
SacramentoBob
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To be fair, Abe is superbad.
John Bender
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Kasparov d. Bender (0-1)
I allowed a Reti opening for some awful reason - an opening where I'm only about 8 moves deep on the theory.
Stupid.
Nicely done Kaspy.
(to be clear, in case the above seemed like I was being a bad sport, Kaspy would have killed me even if I played a London System instead...he's truly a remarkable player).
I allowed a Reti opening for some awful reason - an opening where I'm only about 8 moves deep on the theory.
Stupid.
Nicely done Kaspy.
(to be clear, in case the above seemed like I was being a bad sport, Kaspy would have killed me even if I played a London System instead...he's truly a remarkable player).
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John Bender
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5. Ne5 was such an amateurish move.
Accomplishes so little, ultimately wastes a tempi, I'm probably maddest at myself for that one.
11. Qc2 - not so great - probably need to bring my Knight around to f3 instead here - placing the queen so she's starting at a locked pawn chain was not so brilliant. d2 was a better square for her long term.
Around move 18 - usually one of your bishops is a bad bishop, but this is pretty interesting that both bishops are "bad". Pawns on light squares, but my dark square bishop is biting on a rock. I should have tried to open this position a lot sooner than I did.
Looks like the rest of the inaccuracies and mistakes are covered pretty well in the link.
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Kasparov
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Bender, thanks for the kind words, you played extremely well too! It was a close fought battle until deep into the middlegame. I'd like to post some of my analysis/thoughts for this but I'm totally swamped today! I'll get to it over the weekend.
But in short, yes, there are probably better moves than Ne5 (just continue to develop) and I thought Qc2 was very odd looking when you played it. I didn't understand its purpose. As for the Bishops, both yours and mine, they were a key factor in the game even though they did little or had little to do through much of it. My B on h5 sucked.
Abraham
Footballguy
I didn't lose to Em. He was moving about once every 3 days. So I stopped playing after Tim called the match off. And then Em called me names.
Zegras11
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timschochet
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Round 5 (left side white)
John Bender (4) vs. Kasparov (4) (0-1)
Psychopav (3) vs. dancingbones (3)
Kutta (3) vs. Aerial Assault (3) in progress
andyjayhawker (2.5) vs. Unialias (2.5) (1-0)
timschochet (2.5) vs. AAA Batteries (2.5) (1-0)
Joffer (2) vs. Getzlaf (0) (1-0)
Nysfl2 (2) vs. Abraham (2) (1-0)
McGarnicle (2) vs. Nero (1.5) (1-0)
Juxtatarot (1.5) vs. Rdrunner (1) in progress
Psychopav and Dancingbones- let me know that your game is underway. Thanks.
John Bender (4) vs. Kasparov (4) (0-1)
Psychopav (3) vs. dancingbones (3)
Kutta (3) vs. Aerial Assault (3) in progress
andyjayhawker (2.5) vs. Unialias (2.5) (1-0)
timschochet (2.5) vs. AAA Batteries (2.5) (1-0)
Joffer (2) vs. Getzlaf (0) (1-0)
Nysfl2 (2) vs. Abraham (2) (1-0)
McGarnicle (2) vs. Nero (1.5) (1-0)
Juxtatarot (1.5) vs. Rdrunner (1) in progress
Psychopav and Dancingbones- let me know that your game is underway. Thanks.
Juxtatarot
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kutta
Footballguy
Sorry for our slow game. AA and I have both been really busy.
We made some good progress today. Should finish up soon.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Very fun! I was thoroughly outclassed by the excellent Kutta but certainly enjoyed it. Great game GB!
John Bender
Footballguy
Based on my talking with Kaspy, he's a retired chess player so there is no rating, but I believe he was 2300+ FIDE in his playing days based on what I can gather (and possibly higher)
He still plays at a 2000+ level easily (possibly higher) from what I've seen and what I would guess.
He hasn't shared a lot here so I want to respect him and not out our conversation on it so the above is a bit general and vague but also accurate IMO
I also gleaned that he actually knows or knew Vishy Anand IRL and you don't rub elbows with him unless you're a King in the sport
He's probably actually the real Kasparov who took up Fantasy Football post retirement.
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timschochet
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Round 6 (left side white)
Kasparov (5) vs. Kutta (4)
dancingbones (4) vs. John Bender (4)
Aerial Assault (3) vs. andyjayhawker (3.5)
Pyschopav (3) vs. timschochet (3.5)
Nysfl2 (3) vs. Joffer (3)
Unalias (2.5) vs. McGarnicle (3)
AAA Batteries (2.5) vs. Abraham (2)
Juxtatarot (1.5) vs. Nero (1.5)
Getzlaf (0) vs. Rdrunner (2)
Kasparov (5) vs. Kutta (4)
dancingbones (4) vs. John Bender (4)
Aerial Assault (3) vs. andyjayhawker (3.5)
Pyschopav (3) vs. timschochet (3.5)
Nysfl2 (3) vs. Joffer (3)
Unalias (2.5) vs. McGarnicle (3)
AAA Batteries (2.5) vs. Abraham (2)
Juxtatarot (1.5) vs. Nero (1.5)
Getzlaf (0) vs. Rdrunner (2)
timschochet
Footballguy
Last round, guys. Good luck to everyone!
timschochet
Footballguy
I want to thank the remaining 18 players who stuck with the tournament all 6 rounds (we started out with 26.) I especially want to give credit to Getzlaf, who has struggled in this tournament but stuck with it, which I really appreciate.
I also apologize to anyone that I was forced to kick out of the tournament, in case you believe that I was heavy-handed or made decisions too quickly. I don't regret any of the decisions I made, but I hope that nobody feels like I was being unfair.
I also apologize to anyone that I was forced to kick out of the tournament, in case you believe that I was heavy-handed or made decisions too quickly. I don't regret any of the decisions I made, but I hope that nobody feels like I was being unfair.
John Bender
Footballguy
Pav or bones - can I get the PGN send to me for your game? shawnzo35@yahoo.com
I know it seems silly, but I'm putting together ChessBase files for you guys just because I have nothing better to do with this expensive chessbase software.
Appreciated in advance.
Still really wish I could get the tim game (and all the games from this past round) where his opponent blundered this past round as well. I don't care if they aren't worth viewing, I'm storing them and averaging the centipawn losses - building opening trees for each player - etc, heck even trying to be vigilant about people using assistance which is pretty easy to ascertain over the course of 4 or 5 games to benefit our future tournies.
Thanks
I know it seems silly, but I'm putting together ChessBase files for you guys just because I have nothing better to do with this expensive chessbase software.
Appreciated in advance.
Still really wish I could get the tim game (and all the games from this past round) where his opponent blundered this past round as well. I don't care if they aren't worth viewing, I'm storing them and averaging the centipawn losses - building opening trees for each player - etc, heck even trying to be vigilant about people using assistance which is pretty easy to ascertain over the course of 4 or 5 games to benefit our future tournies.
Thanks
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Aerial Assault
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JB, I sent you the AA/nysfl2 game from round 4; let me know if you want it sent again. I'd like to see the analysis of that one if you have time.
John Bender
Footballguy
Got it! - will post it in a few
I should also add "let me know you sent it"
this is just a chess email address for correspondence with coaches and chess streamers, events I play in, etc.
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John Bender
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Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Oh, sorry; when the game was over I buried the "sent to JB" note in the results post.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Thanks, JB! Also just sent (moments ago) Kutta's win against me from Round Five.
timschochet
Footballguy
Well this time I got to 14 moves against Kasparov before I was forced to resign. I haven't been able to even get deep in the middle game against him, much less an endgame.
John Bender
Footballguy
http://en.lichess.org/OnYTWnCe#0
Here ya go brother.
Tough one for you as Kutta was mistake free. I've said it before, but playing against 0 mistakes and 10 or less centipawn loss after 35 moves is like playing a Master. Not much you can do man - Kutta played out of this world - I do know his Slav is very solid as we played almost the same opening together). You played well, Kutta played flawless. Can't do much about it but analyze the game and maybe see where you lost sight of your plan. Sick game Kutt!!!
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Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Yup, I did feel like I was playing against a master in this one and hoping for a draw at best. Once I went down the pawn, it was over. I thought Kutta's game was flawless and glad to see it was. Thanks, JB!
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Heh. Hmm, surprised the puter was that tough on both of us, as it was a fun, freewheeling game.Two massive blunders in there that I failed to take advantage of
John Bender
Footballguy
I did manage to find one tip for you in that opening.
Move 8... Bb4
If you're going to develop the bishop to that square, be prepared to take when you get challenged - don't retreat it.
Otherwise, just develop it to e2 or d3 from the get go.
This is my take on playing the slav. I think it's a wasted tempo to bring that bishop in for the pin and then retreat it when challenged. The move does nothing for you.
Hope that helps a little bit AA
AAABatteries
Footballguy
AAA wins a speed chess match against Abraham.
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