Chadstroma
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LT Kolton Miller took 27 pass rush snaps against Frank Clark on Sunday.... allowed 1 pressure, no hits, no sacks.
Frank who?
Frank who?
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Manster
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I gave up on Carr a couple seasons ago. He looked like a poor man's Alex Smith. He was afraid to throw down field. He looked a shell of his former self. I think what we saw against KC was a guy who has found his confidence again. His O line is outstanding, and he has some weapons. Will he regress? Time will tell, but if you're a Raiders fan you have to be pretty pumped, and optimistic.
32 Counter Pass
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Carr went through a complete roster rebuild a couple years ago. He had two rookie tackles starting, not much help at the skill positions and no defense to speak of. Carr will never be a Mahomes or Russell Wilson, BUT if you give him
#1 an offensive line he can trust
#2 a running game (balance)
#3 and a couple guys to throw to.
He has the ability to play at an extremely high level. There are miles of conversations about DC in this thread alone so I won't go into the numbers. Simply put, give any NFL QB who can make all the throws, like Carr can, some weapons and time in the pocket he will get better. He's been checking down the past couple years for a multitude of reasons. Now having Ruggs on the team gives him a threat who can stretch the field. Who did he have to do that for him after Cooper was traded? No one until now.
DocHolliday
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I hated the Miller selection. Reason number 8,461 that I am not in a NFL front office.
First time I ever heard that word was during a Todd Christensen interview. Guy had a helluva vocabulary.
Oh I cursed Gruden over and over for taking him over Derwin James. Gladly eating my crow over that draft pick.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
He wasn't on my radar. They selected him and I was surprised. I did my research on him and the best I could come up with was that I was very uneasy about it. He didn't dominate at UCLA and at time struggled. It seemed they were selecting him off of potential which always scares me. But he came in and played ok for a rookie but progressed that first year, continued to progress each year and now is locking that left side down.
It is funny because when we paid Trent Bown (which was often mocked as well) almosr everyone thought Miller was getting kicked to the right. Nope. When Brown is healthy, I think we have the best couple of tackles in the game.
I might love being surprised by players than I am when I am proved right by them.
Hankmoody
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Tough to do, they've logged what, 10 games between them since the start of last season?
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Unfortunately for Derwin, injuries have derailed him. He's still young and I'm sure he'll bounce back at some point. But as they say, "the best ability is avail-ability." During that time Miller has evolved into a starting LT. I'd still take that as a win for a mid-1st round pick.
DocHolliday
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Chadstroma
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Chadstroma
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NFL Network replay the KC gsme right now
joey
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Chadstroma
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Cynthia Freland has us at 48% chance in making playoffs currently.
I'm not saying it was a bad pick. It was a surprisingly great pick and another piece of evidence of why I'll think 2 or 3 times before I criticize any and all future moves/picks they do, just saying I kind of salivate at the thought of those two monsters in the secondary but I'm a very happy Raider fan at the moment!Bruno2 said:
Chadstroma
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Do you guys remember way back when some were saying Marcus freaking Mariota was signed to be our starter? 
Good times.
Good times. 
ICON211
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Not sure anyone said that. Speaking just for myself, I said he was signed to push Carr and that if Carr struggled they would not hesitate to turn to him. No offseason program and Mariota's injury to start the season pretty much killed that and Carr has played well. I still stand by that.Do you guys remember way back when some were saying Marcus freaking Mariota was signed to be our starter?
The Mariota signing was simply an insurance policy if DC got hurt. A smart move especially after seeing how 2020 is playing out. I bet Dallas is pretty happy about signing Andy Dalton. Because of that move they're still in the playoff hunt in a lousy division.Do you guys remember way back when some were saying Marcus freaking Mariota was signed to be our starter?
Chadstroma
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Agholar is the only WR in the league with at least 10 target to have a perfect passer rating of throwing to him.
LET'S GO!
LET'S GO!
Stompin' Tom Connors
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I don't think anyone here said that that I recall but it was absolutely the line in the moronic sports media.
Carr haters are Carr haters -- I think his numbers spoke for themselves a long time ago and if people are just coming around to how solid he is, well, that's on them. Long since moved past the irrationality a lot of people have had about Carr for a long time. Dude is so underserving of the negativity.
Anyone think we make a play for a DT or someone in the secondary before trade deadline?
Sarlakticacid
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I wonder what odds bookmakers we’re giving this possibilityChadstroma said:
SDJohnny
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https://elitesportsny.com/2020/10/15/new-york-jets-news-team-taking-calls-on-quinnen-williams/Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Don't know what Gruden and Mayock's 2019 draft take on this kid was, but he hasn't put it together in NY. But the Jets being the Jets, it's hard to know if that's his fault or a coaching issue.
Chadstroma
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I would be willing to buy defensive players pretty much at most every position for the right player and deal.Stompin' Tom Connors said:
DT could use an upgrade as Collins wasn't playing at the level we expected in bringing him over before getting sidelined with injury. Getting a good push up the middle will help get more pressure on the QB which other than the KC game we haven't consistently generated. We haven't had a good DT to help on pass rush since.... help me here.
Safety is dangerously thin to me. Joyner has been hurt on a play and been out for a few plays or more pretty much every game. Abram is one play away from blowing another player or himself up. Heath came through big time for us in KC but I am not sure I want to rely on him as a starter.
CB is also a bit of concern with Arnette out for a bit.
Then with Nassib out, after looking like he was starting to be of use, and edge rusher to replace wouldn't hurt us in the least.
Chadstroma
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I wouldn't wince at throwing them a 2nd for him. Try giving a third and another pick but if it took a 2nf, I am good with that.
First, pretty much everyone thought he was the best defensive player in that draft and not a few thought best player period. NY is a big heaping pile of poo so maybe change of scenery is what he needs.
Further, this draft will be a nightmare to really scout with the disruption in college football. I devalue the 2021 draft picks because of that.
DocHolliday
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Maybe there is something to this change of scenery thing. Guy couldn’t catch anything in Philly.Chadstroma said:
joey
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King of the Jungle
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I love seeing the Raiders as a team of contention again. Young team with a lot of potential. Is Carr the answer?
ICON211
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I'm not sure, you could be right. The flip side to that is that if your personnel and scouting department and GM really know what they are doing you might want more picks in this draft since teams with bad evaluators could let really good players slide.
Chadstroma
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Trade down in that case with more late round picks.
Sell the higher picks for players you have lots of tape and info on.
Hankmoody
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Not me. This is when you want your draft guru loaded up with picks, when all the other donkeys can't tell who's who and leaves all the value on the board.
DocHolliday
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Will be a big test. Raiders must avoid 3rd and longs and playing from way down. The TB pass rush is solid.
Stompin' Tom Connors
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Richard Seymore. 2012.
I like your takes on building depth at all positions on D, and agree that S and DT are the more prominent areas of need. Kinda disappointed in Nassib -- still a long season to go so he could turn, but he hasn't been as super solid as I'd hoped.
I now put these questions on the asker.
Go look at Carr's numbers, this year, last few years, career, compare them against who you think are Top 10 QBs (especially in the 5-10 range where I think Carr can reasonably sit, no one thinks he's Mahomes).
Then come back and tell me why you think he can't be the answer.
SDJohnny
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Raiders get Irving.
https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2020/10/20/21525528/raiders-sign-david-irving-former-cowboys-pass-rusher
Irving, who is 27, has had success in the NFL and played in Dallas for Marinelli, along with defensive tackles Maliek Collins and Daniel Ross.
He was recently reinstated by the NFL after an indefinite suspension for violating the league’s substance abuse policy. Irving announced his retirement in 2018 and hasn’t played since.
However, he is a great athlete at 6’7 and 290 pounds. Irving has 12.5 sacks in 37 NFL games. So, he has ability. The Raiders need a backup pass rusher with Carl Nassib currently dealing with an injured big toe.
Vic Tafur
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Irving started COVID-19 testing Saturday and it’s my understanding that’s it’s an initial 5-day protocol. He wouldn’t play this Sunday for #Raiders regardless.
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#Raiders get some help on DL. They're signing former Cowboys pass rusher David Irving, as @AaronWilson_NFL tweeted. Strong connection with DL coach Rod Marinelli.
12:44 PM · Oct 20, 2020
https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2020/10/20/21525528/raiders-sign-david-irving-former-cowboys-pass-rusher
Irving, who is 27, has had success in the NFL and played in Dallas for Marinelli, along with defensive tackles Maliek Collins and Daniel Ross.
He was recently reinstated by the NFL after an indefinite suspension for violating the league’s substance abuse policy. Irving announced his retirement in 2018 and hasn’t played since.
However, he is a great athlete at 6’7 and 290 pounds. Irving has 12.5 sacks in 37 NFL games. So, he has ability. The Raiders need a backup pass rusher with Carl Nassib currently dealing with an injured big toe.
Vic Tafur
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Irving started COVID-19 testing Saturday and it’s my understanding that’s it’s an initial 5-day protocol. He wouldn’t play this Sunday for #Raiders regardless.
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#Raiders get some help on DL. They're signing former Cowboys pass rusher David Irving, as @AaronWilson_NFL tweeted. Strong connection with DL coach Rod Marinelli.
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Chadstroma
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
So Irving brings depth. At best he becomes another Aldon Smith -- coming out of the blue after a few years and looking like he found the fountain of youth and playing at the highest levels he's ever played at in his career.
That's at best -- and also highly unlikely.
I would rather us pursue a guy like Quinnen Williams with a 2nd. Take advantage of the Jets firesale and dumpster fire and get someone who is more likely to make an impact on Day 1.
That's at best -- and also highly unlikely.
I would rather us pursue a guy like Quinnen Williams with a 2nd. Take advantage of the Jets firesale and dumpster fire and get someone who is more likely to make an impact on Day 1.
kaso
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Yes, sounds like they are using the relaxed practice squad rules this year to allow him to get up to speed on the playbook before having to make a corresponding roster move.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Based on his previous production, he seems to me a decent replacement for Nassib while out (I don't recall how long he is out). I am not expecting a whole lot from him. He has been out of the game for a while and though good when playing wasn't a beast like Aldon Smith was.
I would love Quinnen Williams for a 2nd and get some push in the middle.
Stompin' Tom Connors
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Going to be tough sledding facing a Bucs team who is hitting stride on both sides of the ball.
On offense, Carr needs to be clean af -- TB D was opportunistic against Rodgers and turned turnovers into scores. We can't get sloppy with the ball.
We also can't exactly play ball control as the TB D is super stout and will likely create a lot of non-favorable down-and-distance. I don't see this as a huge game for Jacobs and wonder if we do see more of Richard/Booker in passing screens and bubbles. Our O-line needs to play it's nastiness to keep the pocket and passing lanes clear for deep shots, and WRs and Waller need to step up to convert 3rd downs and move chains.
On D, spotlight will be on Littleton -- he's up and down this season, but needs to shine and provide Kaptain K support in the run game to help bottle up RoJo. Hopefully with the return of Hurst, he and Collins also step up to clog the middle. That's key #1 -- limit their running game and make their attack a little more one-dimensional.
Key #2 is all on Salt and Pepper -- if they can effectively get pressure on Brady all game, get in his grille, and collapse the pocket and make an immobile QB like Brady less comfortable and having to make throws faster than he'd like or than routes develop downfield, we can frustrate him.
TB is a really complete team -- arguably more so than KC given the strength of TB's D.
Hope we stay competitive and within scoring range to have a shot at pulling it out.
On offense, Carr needs to be clean af -- TB D was opportunistic against Rodgers and turned turnovers into scores. We can't get sloppy with the ball.
We also can't exactly play ball control as the TB D is super stout and will likely create a lot of non-favorable down-and-distance. I don't see this as a huge game for Jacobs and wonder if we do see more of Richard/Booker in passing screens and bubbles. Our O-line needs to play it's nastiness to keep the pocket and passing lanes clear for deep shots, and WRs and Waller need to step up to convert 3rd downs and move chains.
On D, spotlight will be on Littleton -- he's up and down this season, but needs to shine and provide Kaptain K support in the run game to help bottle up RoJo. Hopefully with the return of Hurst, he and Collins also step up to clog the middle. That's key #1 -- limit their running game and make their attack a little more one-dimensional.
Key #2 is all on Salt and Pepper -- if they can effectively get pressure on Brady all game, get in his grille, and collapse the pocket and make an immobile QB like Brady less comfortable and having to make throws faster than he'd like or than routes develop downfield, we can frustrate him.
TB is a really complete team -- arguably more so than KC given the strength of TB's D.
Hope we stay competitive and within scoring range to have a shot at pulling it out.
SDJohnny
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Trent Brown to the MF Covid-19 List. You got to be kidding me. Toughest D all year and this guy is going to be out. Bleeping Bleep Bleep Bleep!!!....Bleep.
@TomPelissero
The #Raiders are placing RT Trent Brown on the Reserve/COVID-19 list, per source. Contact tracing is underway; they’re coming off a bye and players were off Tuesday, so minimal recent contact. Facility is open and practice begins shortly.
@TomPelissero
The #Raiders are placing RT Trent Brown on the Reserve/COVID-19 list, per source. Contact tracing is underway; they’re coming off a bye and players were off Tuesday, so minimal recent contact. Facility is open and practice begins shortly.
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Chadstroma
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I just saw that.
I wasn't too worried about the Buc pass rush before this. Now... this hurts. There is a significant drop off from T. Brown to Young or whoever else we have in that spot.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The whole freaking o line was sent home along with Abram because of the proximity stuff.
If we are playing without our entire line and Abram we are screwed.
So.... what does the NFL do now that bye weeks have been eaten into? Extend the season and reschedule?
If we are playing without our entire line and Abram we are screwed.
So.... what does the NFL do now that bye weeks have been eaten into? Extend the season and reschedule?
Chadstroma
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Mario Henderson passed away at a young 35. Once a Raider, always a Raider. RIP brother. Too young... way too young.
Stompin' Tom Connors
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They could extend the same courtesy that they afforded the Patriots and postpone the game until our O-line is cleared.
But of course they won't extend that to the Raiders.
DocHolliday
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