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A 4th women sexually assualted by Roethlisberger? (1 Viewer)
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Baron Samedi
Footballguy
Ugh enough already, go far away Rapistberger
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
One of the funnier posts I've read in awhile. Nicely done.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPEjcQvqSk...feature=related
Arch Stanton
Footballguy
It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
The only relevant bias I have is that toward rapists. I don't care for them much.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
You sharks are in an absolute feeding frenzy.
What if I said Ben tried to bang me at a party three ago and I didn't like it. Should we rack that up as the 5th person he's raped and murdered on the way to killing Santa Claus? I have no proof of course, and it didn't really happen, but I said it so it must be true because it's on the internet.
All of these "cases" except one are complete and utter hearsay, and folks around here are lapping them all up as gospel, despite at LEAST one of them being PROVEN to be an absolutely clear case of gold-digging. But sure, add her to the list even though before she had sex with him she said "I'm gonna get me some Roethlisberger" and AFTER the sex told all of her text pals how awesome it was. Why not, that one's as legit as some of these other clear-cut "cases".
Boys, I'm not defending big Ben the person. I think he's likely a grade-A punk and I wouldn't cry if the Steelers dumped him tomorrow. But this rush to judgment based on internet rumors sickens me.
There is absolutely zero legit, known evidence that Ben ever committed a crime of any kind in ANY of these accusations. There have been no charges filed, etc.
I just hope some of you fine gentlemen are never accused of something you didn't do, because if this is all it takes to string a guy up, I'm worried for this country.
Ben COULD have done serious wrong to ALL of these girls. But I don't know that for sure, and neither does anyone here.
What if I said Ben tried to bang me at a party three ago and I didn't like it. Should we rack that up as the 5th person he's raped and murdered on the way to killing Santa Claus? I have no proof of course, and it didn't really happen, but I said it so it must be true because it's on the internet.
All of these "cases" except one are complete and utter hearsay, and folks around here are lapping them all up as gospel, despite at LEAST one of them being PROVEN to be an absolutely clear case of gold-digging. But sure, add her to the list even though before she had sex with him she said "I'm gonna get me some Roethlisberger" and AFTER the sex told all of her text pals how awesome it was. Why not, that one's as legit as some of these other clear-cut "cases".
Boys, I'm not defending big Ben the person. I think he's likely a grade-A punk and I wouldn't cry if the Steelers dumped him tomorrow. But this rush to judgment based on internet rumors sickens me.
There is absolutely zero legit, known evidence that Ben ever committed a crime of any kind in ANY of these accusations. There have been no charges filed, etc.
I just hope some of you fine gentlemen are never accused of something you didn't do, because if this is all it takes to string a guy up, I'm worried for this country.
Ben COULD have done serious wrong to ALL of these girls. But I don't know that for sure, and neither does anyone here.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...
greenheads
Footballguy
Taken from Fox Sports.
"Sparked partly by the Roethlisberger incident, Goodell sent a memo last week to NFL owners, executives and head coaches emphasizing the necessity of following the league's personal conduct policy. According to the memo, which was first reported by the New York Times, escaping criminal charges is not enough to excuse poor behavior.
"Unfortunately, in recent weeks there have been several negative incidents," the memo stated. "These incidents include subjects that we have previously identified as particularly troublesome, such as alcohol-related offenses, allegations of violence against women, and weapons offenses. ... The policy makes clear that NFL and club personnel must do more than simply avoid criminal behavior. We must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful."
The Roethlisberger case has been unsettling to the Steelers, regardless of the lack of criminal charges, and Rooney did not hide his displeasure.
"I have made it clear to Ben that his conduct in this incident did not live up to our standards," Rooney said. "We have made it very clear to Ben that there will be consequence for his actions, and Ben has indicated to us he is willing to accept those consequences."
Rooney said the Steelers' image and Roethlisberger's have been equally damaged because of the incident.
"It's a situation that he's going to have to work hard to rehabilitate his image that, no question, has taken a hit," Rooney said. "It's a long journey back and he's going to have to be up to the challenge."
Just my take: If BR doesn't get a major suspension (8 game suspension or a year) there will be claims of racism here, considering how pacman was treated. Facts: he's drunk in bars routinely and has sexual contact with young drunk college girls, at least 4 of them so far complained about it on some level to someone even if they didn't want to press charges in the end. The guys needs help beyond worrying about playing in the NFL. If he keeps this up (pun intended) He'll be facing a rape charge eventually.
"Sparked partly by the Roethlisberger incident, Goodell sent a memo last week to NFL owners, executives and head coaches emphasizing the necessity of following the league's personal conduct policy. According to the memo, which was first reported by the New York Times, escaping criminal charges is not enough to excuse poor behavior.
"Unfortunately, in recent weeks there have been several negative incidents," the memo stated. "These incidents include subjects that we have previously identified as particularly troublesome, such as alcohol-related offenses, allegations of violence against women, and weapons offenses. ... The policy makes clear that NFL and club personnel must do more than simply avoid criminal behavior. We must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful."
The Roethlisberger case has been unsettling to the Steelers, regardless of the lack of criminal charges, and Rooney did not hide his displeasure.
"I have made it clear to Ben that his conduct in this incident did not live up to our standards," Rooney said. "We have made it very clear to Ben that there will be consequence for his actions, and Ben has indicated to us he is willing to accept those consequences."
Rooney said the Steelers' image and Roethlisberger's have been equally damaged because of the incident.
"It's a situation that he's going to have to work hard to rehabilitate his image that, no question, has taken a hit," Rooney said. "It's a long journey back and he's going to have to be up to the challenge."
Just my take: If BR doesn't get a major suspension (8 game suspension or a year) there will be claims of racism here, considering how pacman was treated. Facts: he's drunk in bars routinely and has sexual contact with young drunk college girls, at least 4 of them so far complained about it on some level to someone even if they didn't want to press charges in the end. The guys needs help beyond worrying about playing in the NFL. If he keeps this up (pun intended) He'll be facing a rape charge eventually.
This is absolutely true. However, a more accurate metaphor would be that a lot of people have said they smelled smoke, but none ever turned up. In that case would it still be reasonable to conclude that there is a fire?I live near Pittsburgh, so I heard a lot of the same stories about BR being a jerk, being immature, etc. And I, personally, believe that there is "something" to these stories. However, Ben being an immature, sexist, jerk doesn't necessarily mean he is guilty of any crimes (questionable judgement, questionable morals, questionable ethics-sure).
Let's look at them as individual events, rather than as a whole.
1) The incident in Nevada. A woman files a civil suit against Ben. Not a criminal complaint, but a civil suit. This occurs well after the event occured. News comes out that the woman had previously allegedly made comments, emails, IMs, etc along the lines that she was not unhappy about her liason with Ben. This appears to be a spurned woman making a money grab (BTW-this is my interpretation of the events, not necessarily anyone else's).
2) The incident in GA. Ben is out bar-hopping at college bars in GA. He is probably looking to score some tail (as seen by numerous reports that he was in a VIP room and only ladies were allowed in. Throughout history, countless men have resorted to plying women with alcohol in order to lower their inhibitions. The goal is not necessarily to "rape" these women, rather to make them more willing to do stuff that they would otherwise think twice about doing. This isn't a noble act, but also not a crime. The woman in question originally tells police that nothing happened, but when pressed to do so (by her girlfriends), she later says that she told Ben "it's not allright, and then he had sex with me." I'm not saying she is lying, however, her credibility HAS to be called into question. She made one statement, then when pressed by her friends, makes a contradictory statement. I can't say what did or did not happen, but no charges were filed (and the GA prosecutor CLEARLY wanted to press charges), so there must not have been a lot of real evidence.
3) This isn't even an incident. A lawyer/investigator (not sure which) was hired to investigate a possibility that Ben did something, but he couldn't find anything out? Why is this even being considered a "mark" against Ben?
4) A woman claims Ben "took it out" and said she could do whatever she wanted, AND THEN she went back to his house a week later, when he put his hand up her skirt? This story doesn't even make sense. If she was so offended by him "taking it out," why in the world would she go back to his house?
The second incident (the one in GA) is, IMO the only one that really carries any weight. The other 3 seem to be very flimsy and/or circumstantial.
I, personally, believe that Ben is an idiot, and makes stupid decisions. Do I believe that he sexually assaulted these 4 women? No, at least not all of them. But more than that, there is no proof against him. If the Steelers/NFL can punish him for this without any proof, that's not right, IMO.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
This guy is to unwanted sexual advances what Lawrence Phillips is to throwing chicks down the stairs.
A true master.
A true master.
treat88
Footballguy
Spot on.It is worth noting that even those with this position are distancing themselves from him with qualifying comments though.
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
Most of us aren't suggesting he is a criminal (although he may be, who knows?) just that he's an idiot and we'd prefer that he no longer be the Steeler's QB.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
For some of you that may be true. But that is CERTAINLY not true about everyone commenting, and I don't believe it even applies to MOST of the people commenting. More than a few people are now absolutely certain Ben R is a serial rapist, despite never even having ACCUSED of that crime, let alone charged or convicted.
road warrior
Footballguy
Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.
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fatness
Footballguy
Goodell dodging the issue there. The problem is Roethlisberger and his behavior. Instead of doing anything about it Goodell sends a memo to all teams. Wow, what tough action.Goodell guy ought to grow a pair. It's easy disciplining unpopular players, but he's shying away from doing anything to a (formerly at least) popular QB.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Officer who took first Roethlisberger report resigns
Friday, April 16, 2010
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The Milledgeville, Ga., police officer who took the first report from the woman who accused Ben Roethlisberger of rape has resigned.
Milledgeville police Chief Woodrow Blue confirmed that Sgt. Jerry Blash has left the force.
A friend of the accuser told investigators that it seemed at first that Mr. Blash was not going to take a report on the incident the night it occurred. She said Mr. Blash then said he would but noted that Mr. Roethlisberger has wealth and access to lawyers and that they would be wasting their time.
One of the quarterback's bodyguards also quoted Mr. Blash as making derogatory comments about the accuser.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10106/10509...m#ixzz0lHXrzrrW
Friday, April 16, 2010
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The Milledgeville, Ga., police officer who took the first report from the woman who accused Ben Roethlisberger of rape has resigned.
Milledgeville police Chief Woodrow Blue confirmed that Sgt. Jerry Blash has left the force.
A friend of the accuser told investigators that it seemed at first that Mr. Blash was not going to take a report on the incident the night it occurred. She said Mr. Blash then said he would but noted that Mr. Roethlisberger has wealth and access to lawyers and that they would be wasting their time.
One of the quarterback's bodyguards also quoted Mr. Blash as making derogatory comments about the accuser.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10106/10509...m#ixzz0lHXrzrrW
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I'm just being as fair as folks were to my team 
Message boards don't have the weight of law (man, there's a scary concept). There will be no stringing up based on this thread.As far as the original question you posed at the top - if you said that my reply would be 'Holy Schneikes!'-QG
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
But...but...he wasn't on Roethlisberger's side! He's an off duty cop - he can be trusted at his word!
I hope Big Ben goes to prison and gets repeatedly sodomized.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Ah, a suspension will be announced within a few weeks.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Right, and I'm guessing you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.
I was saying it's pretty clear some people are guilty even if they're not convicted. I think we may be on the same page.road warrior
Footballguy
Please don't let logic and fact get in the way of good ole' homersim. The later is more fun to read.
Baron Samedi
Footballguy
road warrior
Footballguy
Sorry, that wasn't intended for you.... it was intended for AS (the post you were responding to). I've fixed it.Right, and I'm guessing you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.I was saying it's pretty clear some people are guilty even if they're not convicted. I think we may be on the same page.
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
It wasn't an off-duty cop, it was the on-duty cop who took the initial complaint and basically told the woman to not waste her time because Ben was so rich and famous.But...but...he wasn't on Roethlisberger's side! He's an off duty cop - he can be trusted at his word!
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Excellent post. The piling on is absurd. He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.I have no problem with Steelers fans saying they don't want this db on their team. I have no problem with people not wanting him traded to their favorite team. I have no problem with people feeling nauseous about cheering for him. I'm not even saying he's definitely innocent.But assuming he's guilty of rape, comparing him to Ted Bundy and talking like he's been convicted of four attacks...or tried for four attacks...or charged with four attacks...or arrested for four attacks...or arrested at all? It's amazing, really. I'm not comfortable saying Ben is a rapist without proof he actually raped somebody. I am comfortable saying he's an arrogant party boy who doesn't represent his team in a good light, and you wouldn't want your daughter bringing him home to dinner. You can't mash four quarter-stories and Frankenstein one actual story out of it. To those who are convinced he raped somebody...which allegation is that based on? Or is it just the fact that four people made accusations, which automatically makes him guilty?
fatness
Footballguy
None of us will ever benefit from the degree of police protection Roethlisberger has. He's got 2 cops who are his bodyguards, who watch him buy booze for underage women and then escort them to backrooms for him. They guard the doors for him. They send away friends checking on those women. They tell other police they saw nothing wrong. And the real investigating officer tells the victim that she's a drunk #####.Or did you miss that news? With this degree of police protection Roethlisberger can probably get away with a few more times like this before he's ever charged.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Sorry, that wasn't intended for you.... it was intended for AS (the post you were responding to).Right, and I'm guessing you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.
I'll get the tar, you grab the feathers.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
... what?But...but...he wasn't on Roethlisberger's side! He's an off duty cop - he can be trusted at his word!
You realize that article isn't about one of his bodyguards (off-duty cops), right?
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Gotcha. Thanks for keeping me properly informed.It wasn't an off-duty cop, it was the on-duty cop who took the initial complaint and basically told the woman to not waste her time because Ben was so rich and famous.But...but...he wasn't on Roethlisberger's side! He's an off duty cop - he can be trusted at his word!
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
And Ben's off-duty cop buddy/body guard corroborated that essentially when interviewed by the GA Police.It wasn't an off-duty cop, it was the on-duty cop who took the initial complaint and basically told the woman to not waste her time because Ben was so rich and famous.But...but...he wasn't on Roethlisberger's side! He's an off duty cop - he can be trusted at his word!
No Way Jose
Footballguy
So Ben showed you too?Yeah, like another 6 inches...
fatness
Footballguy
According to reports yesterday it won't be a league suspension. It will be one issued by the Steelers.
Steeler
Footballguy
Ben stoops to a new low!
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
NFL Network reported that the Steelers and the league are working together to determine the suspension (so that's it's one suspension, not two different ones), and that it will be announced by Goodell in a few weeks.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
Ben is equivalent to Jerramy Stevens.. not Pacman.
The Steelers should trade him and move on. may be painful for a few seasons.. but the Steelers have too much tradition to be tarnished by this loser.
The Steelers should trade him and move on. may be painful for a few seasons.. but the Steelers have too much tradition to be tarnished by this loser.
hostile
Footballguy
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.
hostile
Footballguy
Not yet he's not.Stevens is a PoS who BEATS women. Big Ben is just trying, in very inappropriate ways, to get his bits touched.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
Depends on if you believe the rape allegations... But lets just agree they are both PoS...
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I don't want to over-react but it seems Ben has really ruined his chances at being the next heartthrob on "The Bachelor".
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I don't think they are. as far as we know "they're listening to offers", which means nothing at this point. the Rams situation was all a hypothetical proposed from a Wexell chat, and it snowballed. The Rams would be stupid to give up the #1 overall for this POS now.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think you might be right. So she wasn't sexually attacked at all, just "exposed" to a lame joke/come on. Like I said, none of the circumstances I can think of involve her being sexually attacked. So I wonder how this makes Ben more likely to be a rapist? db, sure. But rapist?
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
He "forced" his hand up her skirt a week later.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Too many stories from too many women. I think most of us would agree the first chick from last year was making a money grab. The supposed other three?With each new alleged story my belief in his innocence drops a bit more. There's no way he's the only rich famous athlete using alcohol and lame come ons to have sex. If stories and allegations like this were fairly common I would believe A) there are a lot of rapists or B) misunderstandings/money whores are commonplace for these folk.Since he's not the only rich famous athlete to go to clubs and use alcohol to have sex with lots of women yet he's the only one to have these accusations, I'm starting to believe there is something to this. Maybe not rape (though that's my belief) but even his biggest supporters surely realize he's dancing a bit too close to the line.This can't *all* be from crazy chicks who are lying. The odds of that are astronomical. For those that say he was accused once and he's now an easy target - Anyone else remember when The Bus was accused of sexual assault? It was clear it was a money grab...yet I don't recall others coming forth after that.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
THISas a rams fan, and acknowledging the team is as desperate for a QB as any other team (arguably even more than BUF, CLE, etc), and that obviously roethlisberger is a proven commodity, i'd want nothing to do with the man with the satanic sartorial sense.
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
This is the attitude I am talking about. Protection? Where's his protection? His reputation is RUINED regardless of the truth or falsehood of the accusations. According to many on this board, he's savaged four different women. He's going to lose a LOT of money.And in this case, I'm not sure fame is helping him. Quite honestly, if he were an average Joe, he would be getting NO notoriety, wouldn't lose ANY money, or really have ANY significant repercussions for his dbag actions. He didn't get charged because there was no evidence, not because he had body guards.I'm not crying for any lack of any endorsement money on his part. As far as I am concerned, he's earned that just with the situation itself. But I believe he's getting the opposite of privileged treatment as far as determination of guilt or innocence goes.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
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