A 4th women sexually assualted by Roethlisberger? (1 Viewer)

[heidbrink]

The Steelers are talking to the Rams about the possibility of trading Big Ben to the Rams for the #1 pick in which the Steelers would take Sam Bradford.

I don't think they are. as far as we know "they're listening to offers", which means nothing at this point. the Rams situation was all a hypothetical proposed from a Wexell chat, and it snowballed. The Rams would be stupid to give up the #1 overall for this POS now.

THISas a rams fan, and acknowledging the team is as desperate for a QB as any other team (arguably even more than BUF, CLE, etc), and that obviously roethlisberger is a proven commodity, i'd want nothing to do with the man with the satanic sartorial sense.

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[az_prof]

When you see smoke pouring out of a building, the reasonable conclusion is that there is a fire.

This is absolutely true. However, a more accurate metaphor would be that a lot of people have said they smelled smoke, but none ever turned up. In that case would it still be reasonable to conclude that there is a fire?I live near Pittsburgh, so I heard a lot of the same stories about BR being a jerk, being immature, etc. And I, personally, believe that there is "something" to these stories. However, Ben being an immature, sexist, jerk doesn't necessarily mean he is guilty of any crimes (questionable judgement, questionable morals, questionable ethics-sure).

Let's look at them as individual events, rather than as a whole.

1) The incident in Nevada. A woman files a civil suit against Ben. Not a criminal complaint, but a civil suit. This occurs well after the event occured. News comes out that the woman had previously allegedly made comments, emails, IMs, etc along the lines that she was not unhappy about her liason with Ben. This appears to be a spurned woman making a money grab (BTW-this is my interpretation of the events, not necessarily anyone else's).

2) The incident in GA. Ben is out bar-hopping at college bars in GA. He is probably looking to score some tail (as seen by numerous reports that he was in a VIP room and only ladies were allowed in. Throughout history, countless men have resorted to plying women with alcohol in order to lower their inhibitions. The goal is not necessarily to "rape" these women, rather to make them more willing to do stuff that they would otherwise think twice about doing. This isn't a noble act, but also not a crime. The woman in question originally tells police that nothing happened, but when pressed to do so (by her girlfriends), she later says that she told Ben "it's not allright, and then he had sex with me." I'm not saying she is lying, however, her credibility HAS to be called into question. She made one statement, then when pressed by her friends, makes a contradictory statement. I can't say what did or did not happen, but no charges were filed (and the GA prosecutor CLEARLY wanted to press charges), so there must not have been a lot of real evidence.

3) This isn't even an incident. A lawyer/investigator (not sure which) was hired to investigate a possibility that Ben did something, but he couldn't find anything out? Why is this even being considered a "mark" against Ben?

4) A woman claims Ben "took it out" and said she could do whatever she wanted, AND THEN she went back to his house a week later, when he put his hand up her skirt? This story doesn't even make sense. If she was so offended by him "taking it out," why in the world would she go back to his house?

The second incident (the one in GA) is, IMO the only one that really carries any weight. The other 3 seem to be very flimsy and/or circumstantial.

I, personally, believe that Ben is an idiot, and makes stupid decisions. Do I believe that he sexually assaulted these 4 women? No, at least not all of them. But more than that, there is no proof against him. If the Steelers/NFL can punish him for this without any proof, that's not right, IMO.

Pretty much sums it all up. Guys an idiot but that's about all we know and the rest of this is just rumor mongering and gossip and piling on.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I just hope some of you fine gentlemen are never accused of something you didn't do, because if this is all it takes to string a guy up, I'm worried for this country.

None of us will ever benefit from the degree of police protection Roethlisberger has. He's got 2 cops who are his bodyguards, who watch him buy booze for underage women and then escort them to backrooms for him. They guard the doors for him. They send away friends checking on those women. They tell other police they saw nothing wrong. And the real investigating officer tells the victim that she's a drunk #####.Or did you miss that news? With this degree of police protection Roethlisberger can probably get away with a few more times like this before he's ever charged.

This is the attitude I am talking about. Protection? Where's his protection? His reputation is RUINED regardless of the truth or falsehood of the accusations. According to many on this board, he's savaged four different women. He's going to lose a LOT of money.And in this case, I'm not sure fame is helping him. Quite honestly, if he were an average Joe, he would be getting NO notoriety, wouldn't lose ANY money, or really have ANY significant repercussions for his dbag actions. He didn't get charged because there was no evidence, not because he had body guards.I'm not crying for any lack of any endorsement money on his part. As far as I am concerned, he's earned that just with the situation itself. But I believe he's getting the opposite of privileged treatment as far as determination of guilt or innocence goes.

If he were an average Joe he would have never been in that situation to begin with. Drinks and VIP areas cost money.

 

[Godsbrother]

He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.

Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.

We all know that Ben is scumbag but if I am a woman and a guy slams the door behind us and whips out his junk I am not accepting an invitation back to his house a couple weeks later.I have no idea if the story is true or not but if it is you certainly have to wonder what she was thinking.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

So more allegations with no evidence to back it up. Got it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.

Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.

I think you might be right. So she wasn't sexually attacked at all, just "exposed" to a lame joke/come on. Like I said, none of the circumstances I can think of involve her being sexually attacked. So I wonder how this makes Ben more likely to be a rapist? db, sure. But rapist?

He "forced" his hand up her skirt a week later.

And exposing yourself in that way is also illegal, even if not in public. You'd have to look at state specific statutes, but all sex crimes do not necessarily involve touching or insertion.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.

Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.

We all know that Ben is scumbag but if I am a woman and a guy slams the door behind us and whips out his junk I am not accepting an invitation back to his house a couple weeks later.I have no idea if the story is true or not but if it is you certainly have to wonder what she was thinking.

So more allegations with no evidence to back it up. Got it.

What does this 4th woman gain by telling the police what allegedly happened with her and Ben? She wasnt under subpoena. If she was suing or pressing charges, she wouldnt make a statement to them and certainly without her lawyer present. It looks like the cops were trying to see if Ben had a pattern of behavior, and found another girl who also claimed Ben whipped out his junk. What's her motivation to tell them that?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.

Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.

We all know that Ben is scumbag but if I am a woman and a guy slams the door behind us and whips out his junk I am not accepting an invitation back to his house a couple weeks later.I have no idea if the story is true or not but if it is you certainly have to wonder what she was thinking.

So more allegations with no evidence to back it up. Got it.

What does this 4th woman gain by telling the police what allegedly happened with her and Ben? She wasnt under subpoena. If she was suing or pressing charges, she wouldnt make a statement to them and certainly without her lawyer present. It looks like the cops were trying to see if Ben had a pattern of behavior, and found another girl who also claimed Ben whipped out his junk. What's her motivation to tell them that?

She doesn't seem very credible. This happened to her, then a week later she goes and hangs out with him again? Really?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

She doesn't seem very credible. This happened to her, then a week later she goes and hangs out with him again? Really?

What's the motivation to lie to the police during an investigation that doesnt involve you?

 

[Arch Stanton]

It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.

So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...

I'm not a Big Ben supporter at all, I can't stand him. But the Tahoe chick was clearly consensual, the last 2 to come out are completely unsubstantiated at this time (one of them is hearsay too I believe, not even the victim but a victim's friend's brother said it) and the other one was dismissed as a crime and is at best a "he said, she said" by two drunk people. I have no idea if the stories are BS or not, but neither does anyone else. I just think it's ridiculous that sometimes everyone jumps on people who jump to conclusions and other times it's ok to form a solid opinion based on nothing substantial.Another thing, for people calling him a rapist, don't you actually have to have sex with them to rape them? The last two were unwanted sexual advances right? Surely, a scumbag move but not rape.When BB starts paying off his accusers, then you can compare his situation to MJ's, but since he adamantly refused to do so, I don't see how there's any relevance.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.

Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.

We all know that Ben is scumbag but if I am a woman and a guy slams the door behind us and whips out his junk I am not accepting an invitation back to his house a couple weeks later.I have no idea if the story is true or not but if it is you certainly have to wonder what she was thinking.

How old are you and how much partying have you done? Ask women under 30 if they've had something happen to them...if they've done much partying they've had it happen to them or know someone it happened to. That may be a sad statement on young guys but it's something that happens. It's not a common thing but it's not that rare, either.Guys whip it out, lock a chick in a room, grab at them...lots of douchey guys out there.

And to put yourself in her shoes...I mean come on. Your name is God's brother. There's some bias there.

 

[Arch Stanton]

It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.

So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.

So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

Why don't other athletes have claims against them? Do they not party it up and have drunken sex with chicks? Or is Big Ben the only athlete to have the misfortune of finding the only crazy lying chicks out there?

 

[Arch Stanton]

It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.

So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

Why don't other athletes have claims against them? Do they not party it up and have drunken sex with chicks? Or is Big Ben the only athlete to have the misfortune of finding the only crazy lying chicks out there?

A lot of them do. I'm sure they do. There've been several incidents of women claiming something that wasn't true about rich athletes. It even happened to Ben in the Tahoe case.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Taken from Fox Sports.

"Sparked partly by the Roethlisberger incident, Goodell sent a memo last week to NFL owners, executives and head coaches emphasizing the necessity of following the league's personal conduct policy. According to the memo, which was first reported by the New York Times, escaping criminal charges is not enough to excuse poor behavior.

"Unfortunately, in recent weeks there have been several negative incidents," the memo stated. "These incidents include subjects that we have previously identified as particularly troublesome, such as alcohol-related offenses, allegations of violence against women, and weapons offenses. ... The policy makes clear that NFL and club personnel must do more than simply avoid criminal behavior. We must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful."

Goodell dodging the issue there. The problem is Roethlisberger and his behavior. Instead of doing anything about it Goodell sends a memo to all teams. Wow, what tough action.Goodell guy ought to grow a pair. It's easy disciplining unpopular players, but he's shying away from doing anything to a (formerly at least) popular QB.

Big Ben will get punished, imo. But everyone who doesn't already know is about to find out how big of a cluster#### Goodell's "Personal Conduct Policy" is.I've been on record from the beginning that the policy itself and the way it's managed is idiotic. (I've always been of the opinion that each team has their own personal conduct policy and the league should stay out of it. This makes much more sense. And if the league is going to have an acceptable personal conduct policy then they need to explicitly detail what exact kind of behavior will lead to a certain punishment like they do with the drug testing policy. There can't be any gray area.)

Goodell was overly hasty and irresponsible when he implemented the policy. In an effort to clean up the league's image asap and to assert himself as "the man in charge," Goodell made the foolish and short-sighted mistake of implementing his Personal Conduct Policy. Sure, in the short term it paid dividends. But now Goodell has finally boxed himself in a corner and most people who didn't already know are becoming aware that he's just making #### up as he goes along.

This is one of the main reasons Goodell is the worst nfl commish of my lifetime.

 

[mcintyre1]

It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.

So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

Why don't other athletes have claims against them? Do they not party it up and have drunken sex with chicks? Or is Big Ben the only athlete to have the misfortune of finding the only crazy lying chicks out there?

Because Ben is apparently a particularly large #######.

 

[road warrior]

It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.

So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

Hmmmmmm, let's see.....Did you read her statement? You know, the one where it states she had to go into that bathroom to avoid him and his henchmen blocked it once he entered. How about the interviews with her witnesses? A convieniently erased surviellience tape. He won't submit his DNA or speak to the investigators when they asked a second time. Now we see the first cop on the scene has resigned for improper conduct.Yup, nothing to see here people. We're just making all this up.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Ah, a suspension will be announced within a few weeks.

According to reports yesterday it won't be a league suspension. It will be one issued by the Steelers.

Which is complete bull####. If Ben violated the league's policy then the league should be punishing him. Now Goodell is playing favorites with teams. Pittsburgh obviously wants to hand out the punishment themselves so they can try and salvage some of their franchise's reputation and curry favor with their fanbase. To make it look like "we're the Pittsburgh Steelers and this behavior is unacceptable so we're doing something about it" (but we don't want to release him because that would hurt our team too much). Has Goodell consistently worked with other franchises in the same matter regarding a similar personal conduct issue?I know it won't happen, but Goodell needs to resign already and the league needs to hire someone who can actually be a competent commish.

 

[Jeremy]

So how long until Ari Fleischer gets a call from the Steelers? He seems to be the go-to guy for situations like this these days.

 

[Arch Stanton]

It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.

So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

Hmmmmmm, let's see.....Did you read her statement? You know, the one where it states she had to go into that bathroom to avoid him and his henchmen blocked it once he entered. How about the interviews with her witnesses? A convieniently erased surviellience tape. He won't submit his DNA or speak to the investigators when they asked a second time. Now we see the first cop on the scene has resigned for improper conduct.Yup, nothing to see here people. We're just making all this up.

I should re-read kaa's internet argument thread to see which fallacy this silliness falls under. I'm sure you don't care, but I never said he didn't do it, or that people were making things up. Just that of the 4 incidents, 1 was blatantly false, 2 are unsubstantiated and 1 was dismissed by the cops and comes to drunken finger pointing as to whether there was consent (from a chick who was in the bar illegally and told two different stories to the cops) and people are running around calling him a rapist citing these 4 incidents as his pattern when the validity of all of them is in question.

 

[omahabrad]

I wonder if Ben and his body guards could have been charged with kidnapping and holding hostage. I say this because of the statements that were released.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

It's so hard to tell in here when rumors, lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims are good enough to accept as true or when posters who do are biased and just jumping to conclusions.

So...these numerous allegations and stories coming out are all B.S.? I'd give him a pass for one...maybe two. But he's showing the same alleged pattern of behavior it's hard to believe his innocence in all cases.Were you a Michael Jackson supporter by any chance? I mean, he was never found guilty in a criminal case either...

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

SigmundBloom DAs office releasing statements says they believe Ben guilty, but no charges b/c victim heavily intoxicated, not b/c of "innocence"

 

[gorf]

She doesn't seem very credible. This happened to her, then a week later she goes and hangs out with him again? Really?

why does that make her not credible? it doesn't seem that hard to believe -- she was at a party, he made an unwanted (and over the top) advance, end of story. so she goes back for another party the next week. does anyone really think there aren't women out there that would blow that off as not a big deal?

 

[road warrior]

Arch, I'm not trying change your stance... however, go back and read the post you made that started this particular discussion.

You mention lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims . My points back to you were in response to that statement. Then you say that many of us (whom don't agree with YOU) are biased and just jumping to conclusions . Again, I'm countering yet another of your statements, showing in fact, I'm neither biased or jumping. I'm going on what facts are in front of me. If you choose not to see them, I can't help that.

Nowhere in our particular discussion did anyone call him a rapist (even though that is my personal opinion). Please explain, since there is nothing but unsubstantiated claims, under what grounds does the NFL or the Steelers have to punish him? Are they biased too? I mean, c'mon, they have NO evidence.

 

[ScottyFargo]

In the real world, if a guy exposes his genitalia to people he's a sexual predator, but that's just one of multiple aspects of his deviant behavior. Ben's been lucky to get away with as much as he has, and now his lifestyle has caught up with him.

 

[Godsbrother]

He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.

Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.

We all know that Ben is scumbag but if I am a woman and a guy slams the door behind us and whips out his junk I am not accepting an invitation back to his house a couple weeks later.I have no idea if the story is true or not but if it is you certainly have to wonder what she was thinking.

How old are you and how much partying have you done? Ask women under 30 if they've had something happen to them...if they've done much partying they've had it happen to them or know someone it happened to. That may be a sad statement on young guys but it's something that happens. It's not a common thing but it's not that rare, either.Guys whip it out, lock a chick in a room, grab at them...lots of douchey guys out there.

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

 

[crystal]

Maybe Ben should change professions and become a Therapist

Or a combination analyst-therapist, i.e. "analrapist." :tobiasfunke:ETA: I'm too late.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

Some people might not be aware of how inappropriate such actions are, and maybe now that she's heard of the other things he's been capable of she was able to put the pieces together.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Arch, I'm not trying change your stance... however, go back and read the post you made that started this particular discussion.

You mention lack of indictments and unsubstantiated claims . My points back to you were in response to that statement. Then you say that many of us (whom don't agree with YOU) are biased and just jumping to conclusions . Again, I'm countering yet another of your statements, showing in fact, I'm neither biased or jumping. I'm going on what facts are in front of me. If you choose not to see them, I can't help that.

Nowhere in our particular discussion did anyone call him a rapist (even though that is my personal opinion). Please explain, since there is nothing but unsubstantiated claims, under what grounds does the NFL or the Steelers have to punish him? Are they biased too? I mean, c'mon, they have NO evidence.

What "facts" are you going by? Unsubstantiated claims are not facts. That's the only point I was going for. People are acting like there are 4 incidents of Ben being a sexual offender when there aren't. The only facts are that 1 was clearly consensual, 2 are unsubstantiated and the 4th had not enough evidence for any charges and involves a drunk chick with a fake ID claiming something that can't be proven.I don't think you even understand my stance. I'm not saying he didn't do any of them, just that none of the claims seem to have any strength and that's not enough to call him a rapist (which several different people did). I just think it's silly that in this thread, jumping to conclusions seems to be supported by most and other threads, those that jump to conclusions like this are piled on.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

SigmundBloom

DAs office releasing statements says they believe Ben guilty, but no charges b/c victim heavily intoxicated, not b/c of "innocence"

Again, I'm not saying he didn't do it, but the bolded parts certainly cast doubt on if he did do it. They "believe" he did doesn't make it so. And a heavily intoxicated girl isn't a reliable source in this case. She could still be telling the truth, I don't know, but she doesn't have much credibility in making the claim. Even uncredible people tell the truth, but in the absence of proof it's still just opinions and not fact.

 

[Godsbrother]

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

Some people might not be aware of how inappropriate such actions are, and maybe now that she's heard of the other things he's been capable of she was able to put the pieces together.

What adult woman does not realize that a man whipping out his private parts, suggesting you service him, while he is keeping you from leaving is behaving inappropriately? I realize that you want to be the woman's advocate here but can't you at least agree that she wasn't showing the best judgement by going back to his house the following week? I can't believe that this is an even a question...

 

[Dr. Awesome]

He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.

Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.

We all know that Ben is scumbag but if I am a woman and a guy slams the door behind us and whips out his junk I am not accepting an invitation back to his house a couple weeks later.I have no idea if the story is true or not but if it is you certainly have to wonder what she was thinking.

How old are you and how much partying have you done? Ask women under 30 if they've had something happen to them...if they've done much partying they've had it happen to them or know someone it happened to. That may be a sad statement on young guys but it's something that happens. It's not a common thing but it's not that rare, either.Guys whip it out, lock a chick in a room, grab at them...lots of douchey guys out there.

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

We're going to have to disagree here. Me thinks the world of partying is a foreign concept to you. Unwanted and rejected advances aren't uncommon (though the degrees of advances vary, clearly). There's no reason whatsoever this woman should have though anything other than "No" and moved on with her life. Maybe she liked Ben but didn't want to be his drunken sexual conquest? Maybe she laughed about it later with friends and they told her it's no big deal?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

Some people might not be aware of how inappropriate such actions are, and maybe now that she's heard of the other things he's been capable of she was able to put the pieces together.

What adult woman does not realize that a man whipping out his private parts, suggesting you service him, while he is keeping you from leaving is behaving inappropriately? I realize that you want to be the woman's advocate here but can't you at least agree that she wasn't showing the best judgement by going back to his house the following week? I can't believe that this is an even a question...

How old are you and what's your partying experience? You're really sounding like you're stuck in the 50's. I mean, this isn't nothing but it's really nothing she should have freaked out about.I imagine she's hot and parties a bit. I highly doubt this is the first time something of this nature has happened. You can ride off on your high horse and say it shouldn't occur (I'd agree) but the fact of the matter is drunk guys can show their inner doucheness. Some chicks like it. Most don't. I've seen guys whip it out in front of chicks and say "It's not going to suck itself" "C'mon baby, you know you want it", etc. Always down a hallway or in some secluded area. Classless? Absolutely. Rare? Sadly not as rare as it should be.Fathers lock up your hot daughters.Most guys and girls forget about party stuff and move on with their lives.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

I guess Ben thought Sixburgh didn't have a nice ring because he's singlehandedly turning it into Sexburgh.

 

[Comer]

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

Some people might not be aware of how inappropriate such actions are, and maybe now that she's heard of the other things he's been capable of she was able to put the pieces together.

What adult woman does not realize that a man whipping out his private parts, suggesting you service him, while he is keeping you from leaving is behaving inappropriately? I realize that you want to be the woman's advocate here but can't you at least agree that she wasn't showing the best judgement by going back to his house the following week? I can't believe that this is an even a question...

She was blackout drunk and UNDER AGED enough already.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Ah, a suspension will be announced within a few weeks.

According to reports yesterday it won't be a league suspension. It will be one issued by the Steelers.

Which is complete bull####. If Ben violated the league's policy then the league should be punishing him. Now Goodell is playing favorites with teams. Pittsburgh obviously wants to hand out the punishment themselves so they can try and salvage some of their franchise's reputation and curry favor with their fanbase. To make it look like "we're the Pittsburgh Steelers and this behavior is unacceptable so we're doing something about it" (but we don't want to release him because that would hurt our team too much). Has Goodell consistently worked with other franchises in the same matter regarding a similar personal conduct issue?I know it won't happen, but Goodell needs to resign already and the league needs to hire someone who can actually be a competent commish.

Yes, Goodell has worked in concert with other teams regarding suspensions. And Goodell is going to punish him. And, wow, you seem a little... well... never mind

 

[BeTheMatch]

Arch, let me guess.... you don't think OJ murdered his wife cuz the glove didn't fit. Got it.

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story. You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

SigmundBloom

DAs office releasing statements says they believe Ben guilty, but no charges b/c victim heavily intoxicated, not b/c of "innocence"

Again, I'm not saying he didn't do it, but the bolded parts certainly cast doubt on if he did do it. They "believe" he did doesn't make it so. And a heavily intoxicated girl isn't a reliable source in this case. She could still be telling the truth, I don't know, but she doesn't have much credibility in making the claim. Even uncredible people tell the truth, but in the absence of proof it's still just opinions and not fact.

So she has no credibility but Roethlisberger does? That's fine if you want to apply a courtroom standard out here on the message board. But don't act like you can't possibly fathom how anyone could think Roethlisberger is the one lying here.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

Some people might not be aware of how inappropriate such actions are, and maybe now that she's heard of the other things he's been capable of she was able to put the pieces together.

What adult woman does not realize that a man whipping out his private parts, suggesting you service him, while he is keeping you from leaving is behaving inappropriately? I realize that you want to be the woman's advocate here but can't you at least agree that she wasn't showing the best judgement by going back to his house the following week? I can't believe that this is an even a question...

Of course it wasn't good judgment. But that doesn't mean that she's allowed to be fondled against her will.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.

Have you done a lot of bigtime partying? Guys make advances all the time. Drunk or sober. I've had female friends that got locked in a room with a guy before as he tries to make a move. Didn't mean they stopped seeing each other at future parties. Chicks are used to rejecting us. It's not that big of a deal. Because he pulled out his penis and told her to do stuff to it doesn't mean she should have necessarily feared for her safety. I'm sure he threw some great parties. There was no need for her to avoid the place simply because he pulled out his little Ben. For most girls, they reject a guy and both parties move on...most guys will make a move at anything that seems interested and will quickly move on to another chick once blown off.

We all know that Ben is scumbag but if I am a woman and a guy slams the door behind us and whips out his junk I am not accepting an invitation back to his house a couple weeks later.I have no idea if the story is true or not but if it is you certainly have to wonder what she was thinking.

How old are you and how much partying have you done? Ask women under 30 if they've had something happen to them...if they've done much partying they've had it happen to them or know someone it happened to. That may be a sad statement on young guys but it's something that happens. It's not a common thing but it's not that rare, either.Guys whip it out, lock a chick in a room, grab at them...lots of douchey guys out there.

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

Where does it say she was appalled? She didnt file charges or hire a lawyer at all, as far as we know, right? For some reason the police questioned her as part of the investigation. Her story shows another example of Ben acting inappropriately and possibly criminally towards women.

 

[Koya]

How long is it until someone who is very close to one of these women has enough and takes justice into their own hands? While I won't suggest vigilante justice is a good thing, if I KNEW that someone raped my sister and the law couldnt dole out some justice, it would be hard to sit back and watch this guy make millions with a thriving career.

To be honest, Im surprised there havent been any incidents to take matters into one's own hands. For some, I can see time in jail being well worth "getting back" and perhaps ending the career of someone they "knew" was a rapist (and with the comments the girl made in the police report about the bathroom incident, it really looks like that may be what Ben is IF indeed the "she said" part is true - there seems to be no other option if that happens to be the truth).

 

[dwarfboy]

Is "pulling it out" a common practice? Obviously he has done this numerous times and it has worked. I've never found myself wanting to do this, but maybe I am missing something.

I have a friend that used to do this. We would be in our usual dive bar drinking and he's unzip his fly and have it hanging out. He clearly enjoyed the reaction he got when somebody finally noticed, but as far as I know he only did it with people he knew and girls that had already seen it. It took several times to get the point across that that was unacceptable behavior.I don't think pulling it out should be called sexual assault though. It seems more like indecent exposure.

 

[FantasyMan]

The forums on Ben's site have been taken down.

http://www.bigben7.com/Forum.aspx

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Maybe Ben should change professions and become a The rapist

Fixed

It didn't need fixed, I thought most would read it as you reposted it

 

[loose circuits]

The difference between Ben & Tiger is Tiger has game and Ben apparently does not.

No different than most the college kids around the country who chase ### every weekend IMO. Crazy things happen when .20 BAC or whatever, who the hell knows what happened.

The best time to trade Ben would be after this season rather than when his value is at an all time low...let smoke clear, see if Dennis Dixon does well in his trial run

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't understand what folks are fighting about. I understand folks that feel Ben could be a target but it seems he learned nothing the past 5-6 years in the NFL from the motorcycles to women...guy likes bikes, grils, and booze...that's not a problem. What is a problem is that he seems to have no moral compass to many of his fans soon to be former fans. Ben doesn't have to be a moral person but fans don't have to buy into him either.

He absolutely has not been charged with a crime and is not a legal criminal in the United States...HOWEVER just because he was not arrested or will not be charged with anything doesn't make his actions that night any less consequential in the court of public opinion. People don't need to provide proof of ben raping a woman...eye witness accounts say that bodygaurds stood in the way and did not allow access to whatever Ben and this woman were doing...it sounds like borderline kidnapping when her friends were not allowed to have access to her.

All of it is speculation to some degree, none of us were there but the stories we hear are not good. Willie Colon who was there seems to recall nothing from that night...he didn't come out and defend his QB or say something like the girl is just lying about it...he pleads the 5th. I don't even really care how others would spin that but to me that alone doesn't sound like a strong case for Ben.

But the bottom line is Steeltown is not happy and if fans decide they don't want to spend the money on the team and season tix sales drop, forget the contract Ben will be dealt very quickly. The Rooneys who have 6 Lombardi Trophies over the past 45 years, have built one of the strongest franchises in the history of the NFL are not going to watch that legacy ripped to shreds because of Ben Roethlisberger...he is replaceable in Steeltown. Not every city but in Pittsburgh I think the fans would cheer if they traded Ben away, I really do feel the vast majority would support it. Even if the team had to take a step back for a year or two, ownership has always shown they want to win so fans are going to support their decisions and quite honestly I would to.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

You sharks are in an absolute feeding frenzy.What if I said Ben tried to bang me at a party three ago and I didn't like it. Should we rack that up as the 5th person he's raped and murdered on the way to killing Santa Claus? I have no proof of course, and it didn't really happen, but I said it so it must be true because it's on the internet.All of these "cases" except one are complete and utter hearsay, and folks around here are lapping them all up as gospel, despite at LEAST one of them being PROVEN to be an absolutely clear case of gold-digging. But sure, add her to the list even though before she had sex with him she said "I'm gonna get me some Roethlisberger" and AFTER the sex told all of her text pals how awesome it was. Why not, that one's as legit as some of these other clear-cut "cases".Boys, I'm not defending big Ben the person. I think he's likely a grade-A punk and I wouldn't cry if the Steelers dumped him tomorrow. But this rush to judgment based on internet rumors sickens me.There is absolutely zero legit, known evidence that Ben ever committed a crime of any kind in ANY of these accusations. There have been no charges filed, etc.I just hope some of you fine gentlemen are never accused of something you didn't do, because if this is all it takes to string a guy up, I'm worried for this country.Ben COULD have done serious wrong to ALL of these girls. But I don't know that for sure, and neither does anyone here.

dag gome... its about time someone feels the same way that I do. I wouldn't care at this point if they CUT him... period!! But it disgusts me that all of these 'rumors' (at least at this point) are taken as truth.I've also heard the argument like this...If I set a steak in the middle of the yard and I go inside to get a drink and when I come out the steak is gone, I know the dog ate it even though I didn't see him do it. Simple.my response is this...If that steak followed the dog to 3 or 4 yards... and if that steak was EXTREMELY marinated (under cooked or not)... and if that steak was wearing an "E A T M E" button... and if that steak was rubbing all over that dog... wouldn't that dog get the idea that the steak wanted to be eaten?I'm not in any way trying to excuse the dog's behavior if in fact the steak ultimately says NO but a dog is a dog.I guess the moral is that when you think you're a BIG dog and you think that nobody can mess with you maybe you shouldn't be hanging out with under-cooked steaks with a propensity to change their minds. Maybe you should try being like one of the biggest dogs in your kennel and date a USDA Prime Rated Beef.... you know.... the 'underwear models' as steaks go

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

This latest allegation isn't "on the internet". It's in an official report by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

which is being reported on the internet where mass amounts of people are being 'led' (although maybe correctly) to believe that everything in the report is true. I bet if you read pieces of a few of the police reports of incidents involving former players (like Mike Irvin) you may find similar things that didn't see the light of the internet.clearly MO but a valid one I'd think.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Wrong. There was plenty of other evidence against OJ, not just a drunk chick who changed her story.

You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.

SigmundBloom

DAs office releasing statements says they believe Ben guilty, but no charges b/c victim heavily intoxicated, not b/c of "innocence"

Again, I'm not saying he didn't do it, but the bolded parts certainly cast doubt on if he did do it. They "believe" he did doesn't make it so. And a heavily intoxicated girl isn't a reliable source in this case. She could still be telling the truth, I don't know, but she doesn't have much credibility in making the claim. Even uncredible people tell the truth, but in the absence of proof it's still just opinions and not fact.

So she has no credibility but Roethlisberger does? That's fine if you want to apply a courtroom standard out here on the message board. But don't act like you can't possibly fathom how anyone could think Roethlisberger is the one lying here.

I'm not acting that way at all. In fact I'm a proponent of the fact that the drunkenness on both sides is a heavy factor in why it's hard to determine if something non-consensual happened. You really have to get over your inability to grasp ideas. I never said he was innocent of any of them, hell I'm not even defending HIM, just the idea that the 4 cases involved all come with some heavy doubt that he did anything wrong (legally at least) and shouldn't be used together as damning evidence against him until more evidence shows up. You've decided that he's a rapist based on very flimsy evidence and won't accept anything that casts doubt on your assumption.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.

Some people might not be aware of how inappropriate such actions are, and maybe now that she's heard of the other things he's been capable of she was able to put the pieces together.

What adult woman does not realize that a man whipping out his private parts, suggesting you service him, while he is keeping you from leaving is behaving inappropriately? I realize that you want to be the woman's advocate here but can't you at least agree that she wasn't showing the best judgement by going back to his house the following week? I can't believe that this is an even a question...

Of course it wasn't good judgment. But that doesn't mean that she's allowed to be fondled against her will.

It's the kind of bad judgment that makes one wonder if she was fondled against her will, or if she decided it was against her will after the fact (if it happened at all). I hope everyone would agree that NOTHING justifies assaulting someone against their will. Doesn't matter if she was drunk, originally said yes or came on to him first. Nobody deserves to be attacked like that and forced to do something they don't want to do. These questions aren't building the case that she might have "deserved" what happened; it makes the case that her story might not be 100 percent accurate because we're dealing with someone who doesn't make decisions like normal people (like going back to someone's house after what happened the first time).

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

In the real world, if a guy exposes his genitalia to people he's a sexual predator, but that's just one of multiple aspects of his deviant behavior. Ben's been lucky to get away with as much as he has, and now his lifestyle has caught up with him.

...but some women might not know that's inappropriate and decide to stop by his house a week later? I'm not sure that's "real world" logic.