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A 4th women sexually assualted by Roethlisberger? (1 Viewer)

Records detail Ben Roethlisberger's barhopping

By Carl Prine

PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Friday, April 16, 2010

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — Four volumes of written records tied to the investigation of Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger paint a tawdry picture of the bar-hopping that led to allegations he raped a college student.

Hundreds of pages of interviews, statements and investigative material released Thursday depict a drunken lout buying booze for under-aged women and ordering his bodyguards to keep men away from about two dozen women surrounding him in the "VIP" room of the Capital City nightclub early March 5.

In a nationally-televised news conference, District Attorney Fred Bright declined Monday to prosecute Roethlisberger, 28, because he could not prove a rape happened "beyond a reasonable doubt."

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Milledgeville police determined Roethlisberger found himself alone in a dingy restroom with the 20-year-old Georgia College & State University sophomore, who was drunk, at about 1:30 a.m. on March 5.

The Tribune-Review doesn't name the alleged victims of sexual abuse.

Ann Marie Lubatti, a friend of the alleged victim, told investigators that Roethlisberger appeared to be "noticeably intoxicated" before walking to the nearby restroom and that "he walked back to where she was with his penis already out of his pants."

Although the accuser first told Milledgeville police she wasn't raped, her written statement when she sobered up said that Roethlisberger came at her with his genitals exposed.

"I told him it wasn't OK; no, we don't need to do this, and I proceeded to get up and try to leave," the accuser wrote. "I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be the bathroom, and shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not OK, and he then had sex with me. He said it was OK. He then left without saying anything."

Allegations of all-night drinking run throughout the report. Lubatti entered the club with an illegal ID that Milledgeville police later destroyted, according to the files.

Authorities never measured Roethlisberger's blood alcohol content.

Many of the witness statements offer contradictory versions of events, but everyone seems to agree Roethlisberger's involvement with the young woman began at the Velvet Elvis tavern around midnight, when he noticed a tag she wore on her dress that suggested she was willing to engage in sexual intercourse.

At one point, according to the accuser's friend Victoria Garofalo, the quarterback looked at the pin and said that he liked to "(expletive) girls." Another Steeler, offensive lineman Willie Colon, told authorities that women were going "nutty" for the quarterback.

Colon said he avoided under-aged co-eds as he drank Patron tequila. He told investigators that Roethlisberger said the accusation was "b.s. and that he didn't do anything." Colon declined to comment for this story.

Two other Steelers, offensive linemen Ramon Foster and Darnell Stapleton, were with the entourage earlier in the week but went home before the Milledgeville trip.

At The Brick restaurant, Roethlisberger was asked whether he wanted to take the party back to the accuser's sorority house, but he said, "Hell no. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen," student Katie Cromie told investigators.

According to Garofalo, his entourage — which included off-duty Pennsylvania State Trooper Ed Joyner and Coraopolis Officer Tony Barravecchio — "even asked our age and were kind of surprised when I said 19 and the other girls, 20."

Throughout the evening, witnesses told investigators, Roethlisberger ordered shots of tequila and called for young women to drink them.

Student Nicole Biancofiore told Milledgeville officers that Barravecchio "placed his hand" on the young accuser's "shoulder and (applied) a little bit of pressure to guide her" to the staff restroom.

Barravecchio told investigators that Roethlisberger asked him to show the accuser the bathroom. The woman followed Barravecchio, giggling. He later said he never saw anyone follow the woman to the bathroom.

When student Lubatti said she tried to enter the VIP area to retrieve her highly intoxicated friend, Trooper Joyner "stated he did not know what she was talking about." A bouncer at the club, Caleb Johnson, said that Joyner — who paid the bar tab — instructed him "to allow only females back to the area where Mr. Roethlisberger was seated."

Confronted later by Milledgeville police, Roethlisberger told them the accuser "was so intoxicated she had fallen and hit her head" and that "he would not give the girl the time of day, and that he had ignored her."

Members of his entourage told police a disgruntled friend of the accuser was removed from the VIP area and might have tried to punish Roethlisberger for that. According to the files, Barravecchio told Milledgeville police that "these whores in town see guys with money and accuse them of rape."

Roethlisberger then invoked his right to remain silent. He flew back to Pittsburgh the next day.

GBI Agent Tom Davis confirmed Pennsylvania State Police officials contacted agents about the trooper's role in the affair.

"We have not seen the investigative report, but will have further dialogue with the Georgia authorities to properly evaluate the situation, should that be necessary," said Pennsylvania State Police spokeswoman Lt. Myra Taylor.

Davis was concerned about the Capital City restroom being compromised. The door was locked but Milledgeville officers never marked it with crime scene tape, so a janitor who didn't know about the incident mopped it with Clorox bleach and Pine-Sol, potentially destroying valuable evidence.

"Naturally, we would have liked to have been in there and had a good look at the scene before that happened," said Davis.

The rape kit taken at the hospital determined that male DNA was present, but the sample was too small to determine identity, leading GBI investigators to tell Roethlisberger's attorney, Ed Garland, that it would be "futile" to ask for his client's genetic material for comparison. Garland declined to comment until he read the investigative material.

Attorney Lee Parks said the accuser, who has quit school, is seeking therapy because of the incident.

As first reported by the Trib, Jerry Blash, the patrolman who first investigated the matter, resigned Wednesday, just before the public records were released. GBI agents learned that Blash used salty language to describe the young accuser. He also had his photo taken with Roethlisberger and several other officers earlier in the evening of March 4, before she claimed she had been assaulted.

"He no longer is an employee here," said Chief Blue, who insists that Blash's role in didn't compromise the investigation because the case was handed off quickly to detectives within the department and GBI.

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If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.

 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
:D
You support exposure of genitalia to an unwilling or unsuspecting audience?
 
So if pulling down your pants and showing your butt is a Moon, then is it safe to say this new variant of showing your front is a Roethlisberger?

This guy if he does suit up is going to be heckled badly everywhere.

 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
If Ben exposed himself at a public bar then why is he not at the very least being charged as a sex offender. If he bought 1 drink for that 20 yr old why is he not being charged for contributing to a minor at the very least.
 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
If Ben exposed himself at a public bar then why is he not at the very least being charged as a sex offender. If he bought 1 drink for that 20 yr old why is he not being charged for contributing to a minor at the very least.
She was the only witness, B.R. denies. I'm assuming that's the issue there.
 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
If Ben exposed himself at a public bar then why is he not at the very least being charged as a sex offender. If he bought 1 drink for that 20 yr old why is he not being charged for contributing to a minor at the very least.
She was the only witness, B.R. denies. I'm assuming that's the issue there.
Did'nt his buddy or body guard say that "it was not cool" for him to do that? Put it back in your pants? something to that effect.
 
PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
Arch Stanton said:
You guys apparently can't read very well, or at least understand what you've read. Until either of the last two claims are substantiated in any way, they're just claims and there's nothing else to point to say he's a rapist.
SigmundBloom DAs office releasing statements says they believe Ben guilty, but no charges b/c victim heavily intoxicated, not b/c of "innocence"
That's just a silly, drunken, gold-digging DA.
 
Godsbrother said:
I understand there are low life guys out there that lock a woman in the room and whip it out to see if the woman takes the bait. What I don't understand is why a woman that is appalled at that kind of behavior would ever accept an invitation from the jerk to go back to his house for a party.I am not saying it didn't happen but I do think this woman showed incredibly bad judgement.
Some people might not be aware of how inappropriate such actions are, and maybe now that she's heard of the other things he's been capable of she was able to put the pieces together.
What adult woman does not realize that a man whipping out his private parts, suggesting you service him, while he is keeping you from leaving is behaving inappropriately? I realize that you want to be the woman's advocate here but can't you at least agree that she wasn't showing the best judgement by going back to his house the following week? I can't believe that this is an even a question...
:lmao: She was blackout drunk and UNDER AGED enough already.
so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
If Ben exposed himself at a public bar then why is he not at the very least being charged as a sex offender. If he bought 1 drink for that 20 yr old why is he not being charged for contributing to a minor at the very least.
She was the only witness, B.R. denies. I'm assuming that's the issue there.
Because there is the little problem that then you would have to charge the "victim" with underage drinking too. What I don't understand is how a bar can be free of charges??? They are the ones who are responsible for controlling the drinking in their establishment. I doubt Ben brought his own stash of booze in there. DA didn't want to get into that because it wouldn't be too popular to charge the woman with underage drinking and it is clear the whole town has a major problem with underage drinking.
 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
:lmao:
What's really funny is you said we'd be eating 'poop' sandwiches cuz we were treating your idol unfairly. Hmmmm, hope you're hungry.
 
What the heck, we still have a week till the draft. Let's keep this party started!

Attorney for Roethlisberger bodyguard tees off on prosecutor

Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2010 8:46 PM ET

In an odd display of gratitude, given the possibility that his client could have been charged with aiding and abetting rape (or, theoretically, kidnapping), attorney Michael Santicola has used an interview with WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh (an NBC affilliate) to hurl criticism at prosecutor Fred Bright.

Santicola told Alan Jennings of WPXI that the prosecutor used Monday's press conference as a "political commercial" for a re-election campaign. Santicola also called the alleged victim and her friends "highly inebriated individuals."

Santicola represents Anthony Barravecchio, a police officer who was serving on the night in question as one of Roethlisberger's bodyguards.

"In no way did Mr. Barravechhio escort or guide this girl down the hallway into the bathroom," Santicola said. (Based on the statement given by the alleged victim the morning after the alleged incident, that's accurate; she claims that she was guided only into the hallway, and that she went to the bathroom only while trying to get away from Roethlisberger.)

Santicola also claims that the alleged victim's blood-alcohol concentration was 0.20 percent.

But there's no dispute that the alleged victim was highly intoxicated. (She apparently acquired that condition due in part to drinks purchased by Roethlisberger.) Her level of intoxication contributed to the decision not to pursue charges, since it helped create more than enough "reasonable doubt" to counsel against prosecution.

As to Santicola's contention that Barravecchio's job duties that night didn't include placing the object of Roethlisberger's desire in the appropriate position and then guarding the door after he entered the area where Barravecchio had taken her, we prefer to hear the denials not from Santicola but from Barravecchio himself. Indeed, we're more swayed by the accounts of witnesses who were drinking and present over the accounts of a witness like Santicola, who was sober and, you know, not there.

But we will agree with Santicola regarding his assessment of a portion of Bright's remarks. Hired only to prosecute crimes, his job ends once he decides not to pursue charges. Though we'll agree that in this case his job included explaining the decision not to proceed in order to counteract the notion that celebrities get special consideration, we think that Bright crossed the line separating the professions of prosecutor and, well, pastor when he opted to offer his own opinions regarding the manner in which Roethlisberger should engage in legal behavior.

 
so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
:scared:
You support exposure of genitalia to an unwilling or unsuspecting audience?
Ive known a couple people over the years who do that on occasion. Harmless.Im not saying it isnt indecent exposure, it is... but nobody ever gave a rats ### besdies the laughter that followed.
The woman was so offended she came back to his home the next week for another party.
 
so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
not to mention:--surveillance camera/tape was recorded over--Bathroom was cleaned spotless as well that nightWelcome to Good Ole Boy USA......Ben owns a cottage nearby. Anyone really think they are not all going to cover for his repeated screw ups? Ben there, done that
 
so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
Blackout drunk and he stuck it in her anyway. That alone doesn't implicate him?
 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
:scared:
You support exposure of genitalia to an unwilling or unsuspecting audience?
Ive known a couple people over the years who do that on occasion. Harmless.Im not saying it isnt indecent exposure, it is... but nobody ever gave a rats ### besdies the laughter that followed.
The woman was so offended she came back to his home the next week for another party.
What else is there to do in Milledgeville, GA?

 
so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
Blackout drunk and he stuck it in her anyway. That alone doesn't implicate him?
Is there some sort of evidence we know of that he did that?
 
az_prof said:
Guys an idiot but that's about all we know and the rest of this is just rumor mongering and gossip and piling on.
Whatever you say.
Are you comparing me to an Iraqi general under Saddam Hussein? If so, that's beneath contempt.
Dude! Don't you remember Bagdad Bob? Information minister under Saddam Hussein whose steadfast misiformation was really quite comical. He was quite the internet phenomenon back in the day.

Try that "google" thing and read all about him.

 
az_prof said:
Guys an idiot but that's about all we know and the rest of this is just rumor mongering and gossip and piling on.
Whatever you say.
Are you comparing me to an Iraqi general under Saddam Hussein? If so, that's beneath contempt.
Dude! Don't you remember Bagdad Bob? Information minister under Saddam Hussein whose steadfast misiformation was really quite comical. He was quite the internet phenomenon back in the day.

Try that "google" thing and read all about him.
Ok, I'll be Bagdad Bob, but then I think Fatness and the rest of the haters here are Bush screaming about Weapons of Mass Destruction--you know, the ones that never existed but they were sure they knew. And for misinformation there was the claim that Iraq was involved in 9-11. 1) Misrepresenting information? check

2) Reading too much into questionable intel? check

3) Goal of feeding mass hysteria and outrage? check

 
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This is past pointless. Everyone was drawn their line in the sand. He's won't be going to Jail- He will get some kind of suspension. Big Ben will be on probation in the Court of Public Opinion for ever now. Hopefully he takes the DAs advice and "Grows up."

 
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so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
Blackout drunk and he stuck it in her anyway. That alone doesn't implicate him?
Is there some sort of evidence we know of that he did that?
So now we're back to questioning if sex occured? :goodposting:
 
so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
Blackout drunk and he stuck it in her anyway. That alone doesn't implicate him?
Is there some sort of evidence we know of that he did that?
So now we're back to questioning if sex occured? :goodposting:
I didn't know that had been established. Has it? If so, how?If so, I apologize. I must have missed that part. Help me out.
 
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so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
Blackout drunk and he stuck it in her anyway. That alone doesn't implicate him?
Is there some sort of evidence we know of that he did that?
######l lacerations, bruising and slight bleeding along with "male DNA"
 
This is past pointless. Everyone was drawn their line in the sand. He's won't be going to Jail- He will get some kind of suspension. Big Ben will be on probation in the Court of Public Opinion for ever now. Hopefully he takes the DAs advice and "Grows up."
:goodposting:
 
so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
Blackout drunk and he stuck it in her anyway. That alone doesn't implicate him?
Is there some sort of evidence we know of that he did that?
######l lacerations, bruising and slight bleeding along with "male DNA"
Tryst with another guy earlier in the day/night? Who knows. DTF
 
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Whether girl #4 went back to his house for another party is irrelevant. She is not suing or pressing any kind of charges. Her response to the police investigation that he whipped it out and told her to do what she wants with it and later Ben tried to feel up her skirt is just showing ben's behavior.

 
so.... blackout drunk and had a fake ID? How'd she remember saying NO?... in fact, how'd she remember ANYTHING?
Blackout drunk and a negative rape kit no less.There is zero corroborating physical evidence and the accuser was too drunk to accurately report what happened.It doesn't mean BR didn't do anything wrong, but the objective evidence sure doesn't implicate him.
Blackout drunk and he stuck it in her anyway. That alone doesn't implicate him?
Is there some sort of evidence we know of that he did that?
######l lacerations, bruising and slight bleeding along with "male DNA"
Again, how do we know those things were caused by an attack? The physician certainly wasn't able to say that they were. How can anyone else?This certainly can't be the "evidence" that everyone is using as the base to claim Ben raped this girl.Doesn't the lack of DNA evidence stand in direct opposition to that?
 
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Tryst with another guy earlier in the day/night? Who knows. DTF

I'm just confused how this all went from "the sex was concentual" and "boys will be boys" type stuff back to there might not have been any sex at all? Are people really still clinging to that possibility?

Mile High is right, this has gone beyond pointless.

 
I'm just confused how this all went from "the sex was concentual" and "boys will be boys" type stuff back to there might not have been any sex at all? Are people really still clinging to that possibility?Mile High is right, this has gone beyond pointless.
No. Serious question. Tell me how we know that happened.I'm not trying to be dense, but when/how was that established as fact?
 
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How long is it until someone who is very close to one of these women has enough and takes justice into their own hands? While I won't suggest vigilante justice is a good thing, if I KNEW that someone raped my sister and the law couldnt dole out some justice, it would be hard to sit back and watch this guy make millions with a thriving career.To be honest, Im surprised there havent been any incidents to take matters into one's own hands. For some, I can see time in jail being well worth "getting back" and perhaps ending the career of someone they "knew" was a rapist (and with the comments the girl made in the police report about the bathroom incident, it really looks like that may be what Ben is IF indeed the "she said" part is true - there seems to be no other option if that happens to be the truth).
:tonyaharding:
 
If Big Ben made a habit of dropping his pants at parties, this isn't going to go away anytime soon. That's a crime. One a lot of us might laugh at if someone did it once. But if this really has been ongoing, I suspect a lot more people will come forth and acknowledge they too have seen this behavior. It might not land him in jail, but I doubt he stays in Pittsburgh much longer with more and more complaints surfacing. Maybe hitting rock bottom here will change his ways going forward.
:popcorn:
You support exposure of genitalia to an unwilling or unsuspecting audience?
Ive known a couple people over the years who do that on occasion. Harmless.Im not saying it isnt indecent exposure, it is... but nobody ever gave a rats ### besdies the laughter that followed.
The woman was so offended she came back to his home the next week for another party.
Please stop the logic...the dog-piling is soooo much fun!!
 
http://ludwig.squarespace.com/politics-jou...hlisberger.html

Here is a look that is a bit different than the prevailing sentiments re: bb
:goodposting:
Enjoy cheering for your scumbag QB.
I cheer for the Steelers to win regardless who is the qb. Steelers best chance to win by far right now is with Ben at qb. Until he is charged and/or convicted of a crime that will not change. I hope you enjoy cheering for whatever team you choose to bandwagon onto now.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
You sharks are in an absolute feeding frenzy.What if I said Ben tried to bang me at a party three ago and I didn't like it. Should we rack that up as the 5th person he's raped and murdered on the way to killing Santa Claus? I have no proof of course, and it didn't really happen, but I said it so it must be true because it's on the internet.All of these "cases" except one are complete and utter hearsay, and folks around here are lapping them all up as gospel, despite at LEAST one of them being PROVEN to be an absolutely clear case of gold-digging. But sure, add her to the list even though before she had sex with him she said "I'm gonna get me some Roethlisberger" and AFTER the sex told all of her text pals how awesome it was. Why not, that one's as legit as some of these other clear-cut "cases".Boys, I'm not defending big Ben the person. I think he's likely a grade-A punk and I wouldn't cry if the Steelers dumped him tomorrow. But this rush to judgment based on internet rumors sickens me.There is absolutely zero legit, known evidence that Ben ever committed a crime of any kind in ANY of these accusations. There have been no charges filed, etc.I just hope some of you fine gentlemen are never accused of something you didn't do, because if this is all it takes to string a guy up, I'm worried for this country.Ben COULD have done serious wrong to ALL of these girls. But I don't know that for sure, and neither does anyone here.
Most of us aren't suggesting he is a criminal (although he may be, who knows?) just that he's an idiot and we'd prefer that he no longer be the Steeler's QB.
For some of you that may be true. But that is CERTAINLY not true about everyone commenting, and I don't believe it even applies to MOST of the people commenting. More than a few people are now absolutely certain Ben R is a serial rapist, despite never even having ACCUSED of that crime, let alone charged or convicted.
Excellent post. The piling on is absurd. He whips it out of his pants and that woman comes back to his house a week later? I can only think of a few circumstances where that's possible, and none of them involve a woman who feels like she was sexually attacked. Any woman who received an unwanted advance like that would steer clear of that person's house unless she was mentally challenged and without her guardian. But that would be a whole new set of allegations.I have no problem with Steelers fans saying they don't want this db on their team. I have no problem with people not wanting him traded to their favorite team. I have no problem with people feeling nauseous about cheering for him. I'm not even saying he's definitely innocent.But assuming he's guilty of rape, comparing him to Ted Bundy and talking like he's been convicted of four attacks...or tried for four attacks...or charged with four attacks...or arrested for four attacks...or arrested at all? It's amazing, really. I'm not comfortable saying Ben is a rapist without proof he actually raped somebody. I am comfortable saying he's an arrogant party boy who doesn't represent his team in a good light, and you wouldn't want your daughter bringing him home to dinner. You can't mash four quarter-stories and Frankenstein one actual story out of it. To those who are convinced he raped somebody...which allegation is that based on? Or is it just the fact that four people made accusations, which automatically makes him guilty?
I think you are being pretty naive here. Ton's of professional athletes are "party" boys and having all sorts of fun with a large number of co-eds yet how many of them have been accussed of sexual assault once let alone 4 times?
 
http://ludwig.squarespace.com/politics-jou...hlisberger.html

Here is a look that is a bit different than the prevailing sentiments re: bb
:goodposting:
Enjoy cheering for your scumbag QB.
I cheer for the Steelers to win regardless who is the qb. Steelers best chance to win by far right now is with Ben at qb. Until he is charged and/or convicted of a crime that will not change. I hope you enjoy cheering for whatever team you choose to bandwagon onto now.
I won't be cheering for anyone if the Steelers keep Ben. In fact, the more these professional athletes act like spoiled children, the less interested in pro sports I become. Might be time to stop wasting my time.And your bandwagon comment is laughable. I've been going to Steeler games since 1973.

 
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