A-List Celebrity To Be Outed As A Sexual Predator (2 Viewers)

[Politician Spock]

As usual, everyone overreacts and now everyone's guilty until proven innocent.  There's some kind of line set up for people Spacey "molested" to report in on?

What in the hell is going on in this country?  The pendulum is really swinging way too far to the left.  For real, I'd be concerned about asking a girl out or making any kind of move on the first date were I single.  We have so many other huge problems to worry about but this bs is taking center stage.

This has always been the case in the court of public opinion. Welcome to America. Only in courts of law are people innocent until proven guilty. 

That said, comparing what Spacey did to being on a date is a huge strawman argument. If you tried to make a move on a date, there is somewhat of an expectation that the person you are on a date with might do that. No one would confuse a 26 year old man inviting a 14 year old boy to a party at his apartment as a date. No one would expect the 26 year old to put a move on the 14 year old. It was pre-meditated predatory behavior. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

As usual, everyone overreacts and now everyone's guilty until proven innocent.  There's some kind of line set up for people Spacey "molested" to report in on?

What in the hell is going on in this country?  The pendulum is really swinging way too far to the left.  For real, I'd be concerned about asking a girl out or making any kind of move on the first date were I single.  We have so many other huge problems to worry about but this bs is taking center stage.

Reacting to people getting molested and raped is a lefty problem?  Come on. 

 

[Politician Spock]

Thats not what I was told.  "Spacey's statement about honesty and living as a gay man..."

His response was essentially "I don't remember it.... but hey I was drunk and I'm gay... oops, sorry. My bad."

 

[BoltBacker]

I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying we should ignore the behavior in both cases?

Has it been ignored in both cases?

In one case the person pretending to be the president has his job taken away(which is fine with me) but in the other case the person recorded admitting that he was a sexual predator was voted into office to actually be the president of the country. 

It just seems like selective outrage to me. If the behavior is being treated the same in both cases I guess I'm missing it. Are you saying that we should hold the president to a lower standard of behavior than an actor?

 

[Pipes]

As usual, everyone overreacts and now everyone's guilty until proven innocent.  There's some kind of line set up for people Spacey "molested" to report in on?

What in the hell is going on in this country?  The pendulum is really swinging way too far to the left.  For real, I'd be concerned about asking a girl out or making any kind of move on the first date were I single.  We have so many other huge problems to worry about but this bs is taking center stage.

It's a huge story as the seedy underbelly of Hollywood is finally being exposed.  It's amazing to me so many people knew about certain people and just kept their mouths shut.  Apparently they were more concerned about their own careers over anything else.  Bunch of immoral degenerates.

 

[Politician Spock]

It's a huge story as the seedy underbelly of Hollywood is finally being exposed.  It's amazing to me so many people knew about certain people and just kept their mouths shut.  Apparently they were more concerned about their own careers over anything else.  Bunch of immoral degenerates.

I think it's appropriate to remind everyone that Joe Paterno didn't do anything.... and that's why he was vilified. He knew it was going on, but looked the other way. Hollywood is filled with Joe Paternos. 

 

[GroveDiesel]

Has it been ignored in both cases?

In one case the person pretending to be the president has his job taken away(which is fine with me) but in the other case the person recorded admitting that he was a sexual predator was voted into office to actually be the president of the country. 

It just seems like selective outrage to me. If the behavior is being treated the same in both cases I guess I'm missing it. Are you saying that we should hold the president to a lower standard of behavior than an actor?

I think plenty of people have expressed outrage over Trump's behavior. I agree that it's not enough and that he's unfit to be President. 

If what you are actually trying to say is that some people are hypocrites because they have defended Trump while expressing glee over the the latest stuff, or that more people should be outraged about the President's behavior, then we are in agreement. 

The problem is, that's not what you are saying. You are saying that since not enough people expressed outrage over Trump and that he was elected President, then we shouldn't get outraged over this.

 

[Norman Paperman]

I think it's appropriate to remind everyone that Joe Paterno didn't do anything.... and that's why he was vilified. He knew it was going on, but looked the other way. Hollywood is filled with Joe Paternos. 

I think that is an oversimplification.  

There are lots of people in hollywood who were in positions of power - like Paterno - but most of the accusations were never actually reported to people in power - for fear of retribution.   So, most of the people who "knew" what was going on - did not have the same platform as Paterno to take a stand, and shine a light on predatory behavior.

 

[Politician Spock]

I think that is an oversimplification.  

There are lots of people in hollywood who were in positions of power - like Paterno - but most of the accusations were never actually reported to people in power - for fear of retribution.   So, most of the people who "knew" what was going on - did not have the same platform as Paterno to take a stand, and shine a light on predatory behavior.

How do you know this?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Reacting to people getting molested and raped is a lefty problem?  Come on. 

Yeah, this is weird to me. I do think there are certain issues at the margins where it seems like those on the left and those on the right disagree (like due process rights at colleges or what it is when 2 drunk people willingly hook up and then the female regrets it when she sobers up the next day), but these situations coming out are full on straightforward sexual assault allegations.

I'm not sure that there's enough to most of them to convict anyone, but when similar stories come out in landslides about an individual, I think society has every right to make a judgement on that person and marginalize them.

 

[Norman Paperman]

How do you know this?

Just reading accounts of victims who are coming forward today, talking about how they did not want to report these incidents when they happened for fear of the impact on their careers.

I suspect, but don't know, that most people turned a blind eye/ear, when they heard the rumors over the years - kind of silently nodding, but not really acknowledging the truth - leaving it as hearsay.

I don't think this is unique to hollywood.

Paterno is in an entirely different stratosphere though - he had power - nobody had more power at Penn State - he would not have feared retribution (other than association with a child molester).

 

[Politician Spock]

Just reading accounts of victims who are coming forward today, talking about how they did not want to report these incidents when they happened for fear of the impact on their careers.

I suspect, but don't know, that most people turned a blind eye/ear, when they heard the rumors over the years - kind of silently nodding, but not really acknowledging the truth - leaving it as hearsay.

I don't think this is unique to hollywood.

Paterno is in an entirely different stratosphere though - he had power - nobody had more power at Penn State - he would not have feared retribution (other than association with a child molester).

If you are reading the accounts of victims, how are you not reading the ones where victims who complained were fired but paid a $10,000 "bonus" on their last check? How do $10,000 checks get written without people with power knowing what's going on?

Even if people in power weren't writing these checks, how do you explain so many people in the industry were hearing about the incidents, but people in power weren't. Are you assuming people in power are isolated and ignorant? That's an odd assumption to make. In my industry, the people in power seem to know more about what's going on than everyone else. They make it their job to know. They've got too much at stake to not be informed about everything. 

 

[encaitar]

Seth McFarlane made jokes about both Weinstein and Spacey being sexual predators.  If a writer/comedian who's never worked with either of them knows about it, then it's pretty safe to assume EVERYONE with power in Hollywood knew about it.

 

[Jayrod]

As usual, everyone overreacts and now everyone's guilty until proven innocent.  There's some kind of line set up for people Spacey "molested" to report in on?

What in the hell is going on in this country?  The pendulum is really swinging way too far to the left.  For real, I'd be concerned about asking a girl out or making any kind of move on the first date were I single.  We have so many other huge problems to worry about but this bs is taking center stage.

I'm about as conservative as they come, but I think the current outing of sexual predators from all walks of life is a good thing.  This is an issue that I find to be a deal breaker and worthy of the scrutiny and derision it is bringing on the accused.

 

[Norman Paperman]

If you are reading the accounts of victims, how are you not reading the ones where victims who complained were fired but paid a $10,000 "bonus" on their last check? How do $10,000 checks get written without people with power knowing what's going on?

Even if people in power weren't writing these checks, how do you explain so many people in the industry were hearing about the incidents, but people in power weren't. Are you assuming people in power are isolated and ignorant? That's an odd assumption to make. In my industry, the people in power seem to know more about what's going on than everyone else. They make it their job to know. They've got too much at stake to not be informed about everything. 

Your comment was "Hollywood is filled with Joe Paternos."

My response was: 

"I think that is an oversimplification.  

There are lots of people in hollywood who were in positions of power - like Paterno - but most of the accusations were never actually reported to people in power - for fear of retribution.   So, most of the people who "knew" what was going on - did not have the same platform as Paterno to take a stand, and shine a light on predatory behavior."

I never said the people in power never heard, nor that people in power should not have acted.  But, its an oversimplification to say that "Hollywood is filled with Joe Paternos"  There are a relative handful of people in hollywood who had the power of Joe Paterno.  And, yes, to the extent they knew - they should have done something, and many of them were as cowardly as Paterno - looking out for their own bottom line, instead of the people in the industry.

But, I think more of the people in power in Hollywood were like Weinstein - i.e. part of the actual problem, not simply because they failed to report.

 

[Politician Spock]

Your comment was "Hollywood is filled with Joe Paternos."

My response was: 

"I think that is an oversimplification.  

There are lots of people in hollywood who were in positions of power - like Paterno - but most of the accusations were never actually reported to people in power - for fear of retribution.   So, most of the people who "knew" what was going on - did not have the same platform as Paterno to take a stand, and shine a light on predatory behavior."

I never said the people in power never heard, nor that people in power should not have acted.  But, its an oversimplification to say that "Hollywood is filled with Joe Paternos"  There are a relative handful of people in hollywood who had the power of Joe Paterno.  And, yes, to the extent they knew - they should have done something, and many of them were as cowardly as Paterno - looking out for their own bottom line, instead of the people in the industry.

But, I think more of the people in power in Hollywood were like Weinstein - i.e. part of the actual problem, not simply because they failed to report.

Again, how do you know this?

And what Paterno did wrong is NOT due to how powerful he was. How powerful he was just determined how far he fell for doing something wrong. 

 

[James Daulton]

Look, I'm all for sexual predators to be rooted out, however, some of the stories coming forward are from so long ago and represent such vague examples of sexual harrasment that I think the tenor has flipped too far.  And when I say left I'm not trying to make it a political thing, just to me the balance is out of whack.  Look at the ladies accusing Bush #1.  Does everything really think that some ancient dude grazing some women's butts represents sexual harassment? 

 

[Norman Paperman]

Again, how do you know this?

And what Paterno did wrong is NOT due to how powerful he was. How powerful he was just determined how far he fell for doing something wrong. 

Because I am reading about people saying they did not report these incidents...this is not rocket science.

As for the second part - I think you overestimate the human condition.  The fear of reprisals is real.  It may be selfish.  It may be misplaced, relative to the potential for future harm.  But it is real.  When an "unknown" gets involved with a "he said, she said" - the fear is that the "known" person will have more credibility.

Paterno was a flawed human, who was in a position of power, where he had no reason to fear reprisals if he took a stand.  He chose to protect the image of the football program.  To the extent that Studio heads, tuned away from these allegations - then they deserve the same spotlight that Paterno gets for failing to act.  But, hollywood is not "filled with Studio heads".

 

[Norman Paperman]

Look, I'm all for sexual predators to be rooted out, however, some of the stories coming forward are from so long ago and represent such vague examples of sexual harrasment that I think the tenor has flipped too far.  And when I say left I'm not trying to make it a political thing, just to me the balance is out of whack.  Look at the ladies accusing Bush #1.  Does everything really think that some ancient dude grazing some women's butts represents sexual harassment? 

Its a text-book example of sexual harassment.

You can't grab people by the butt, or in Trump's case, by the ######.

 

[Politician Spock]

Because I am reading about people saying they did not report these incidents...this is not rocket science.

As for the second part - I think you overestimate the human condition.  The fear of reprisals is real.  It may be selfish.  It may be misplaced, relative to the potential for future harm.  But it is real.  When an "unknown" gets involved with a "he said, she said" - the fear is that the "known" person will have more credibility.

Paterno was a flawed human, who was in a position of power, where he had no reason to fear reprisals if he took a stand.  He chose to protect the image of the football program.  To the extent that Studio heads, tuned away from these allegations - then they deserve the same spotlight that Paterno gets for failing to act.  But, hollywood is not "filled with Studio heads".

And I am reading about people saying they did report it, were then fired and given a $10,000 bonus. 

I'm well aware that some victims did not report it. Fear of retribution is a powerful motivation to not report it. But unless EVERY victim is not reporting it, then the powers knew. Your argument that the industry is not filled with Paternos is based on them not knowing, which is something I find incredibly hard to believe. It's based on an assumption you are making. An assumption I've asked numerous time how you know to be true, and your responses are unconvincing. 

 

[Norman Paperman]

And I am reading about people saying they did report it, were then fired and given a $10,000 bonus. 

I'm well aware that some victims did not report it. Fear of retribution is a powerful motivation to not report it. But unless EVERY victim is not reporting it, then the powers knew. Your argument that the industry is not filled with Paternos is based on them not knowing, which is something I find incredibly hard to believe. It's based on an assumption you are making. An assumption I've asked numerous time how you know to be true, and your responses are unconvincing. 

You are making arguments to issues that don't exist.  Congrats?  I am sorry your boy Paterno turned out to be such a dirtbag.  He is not alone - there are others like him - even in Hollywood.  But, neither the world, nor Hollywood, are "filled" with Joe Paternos - those are super-elite tier.

 To the extent that Studio heads, tuned away from these allegations - then they deserve the same spotlight that Paterno gets for failing to act.  But, hollywood is not "filled with Studio heads".

 

[Politician Spock]

You are making arguments to issues that don't exist.  Congrats?  I am sorry your boy Paterno turned out to be such a dirtbag.  He is not alone - there are others like him - even in Hollywood.  But, neither the world, nor Hollywood, are "filled" with Joe Paternos - those are super-elite tier.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I completely disagree. In my opinion, the TV and movie industry is filled with them. 

 

[James Daulton]

Its a text-book example of sexual harassment.

You can't grab people by the butt, or in Trump's case, by the ######.

You really think old George was trying to cop a feel? This is what I'm talking about.  Why can't we apply logic and reasonableness before just claiming sexual harassment? Hell, under the new rules my current wife could have accused me with all the sexual related flirting we did I'm high school.

 

[culdeus]

You really think old George was trying to cop a feel? This is what I'm talking about.  Why can't we apply logic and reasonableness before just claiming sexual harassment? Hell, under the new rules my current wife could have accused me with all the sexual related flirting we did I'm high school.

Context is important.  

 

[Norman Paperman]

You really think old George was trying to cop a feel? This is what I'm talking about.  Why can't we apply logic and reasonableness before just claiming sexual harassment? Hell, under the new rules my current wife could have accused me with all the sexual related flirting we did I'm high school.

An accidental hand brush by a man who may not have full motor power - yeah, probably not harassment.

When he grabs your butt, and says: "My favorite magician is David Cop-a-feel" - maybe we have crossed a line or two.

 

[El Floppo]

As usual, everyone overreacts and now everyone's guilty until proven innocent.  There's some kind of line set up for people Spacey "molested" to report in on?

What in the hell is going on in this country?  The pendulum is really swinging way too far to the left.  For real, I'd be concerned about asking a girl out or making any kind of move on the first date were I single.  We have so many other huge problems to worry about but this bs is taking center stage.

child molestation and sexual misconduct is a left/right thing? huh.

 

[El Floppo]

Again, how do you know this?

And what Paterno did wrong is NOT due to how powerful he was. How powerful he was just determined how far he fell for doing something wrong. 

I do think that how powerful he was dictated how much he got away with and for how long. the fall is irrelevant, IMO.

 

[El Floppo]

but again- I feel bad for the Coreys and their suffering at the hands of this pedophiliac ring... but trying to hustle money from people to make a movie about it so he can tell the story? pretty horrible. go to ellen, get paid, tell your story in a safe place...let the truth out. how many more people have suffered similar fates from this ring because he hasn't wanted to say anything. (assuming this ring exists... which feldman's continued hemming and hawing begins to call into question).

 

[Politician Spock]

I do think that how powerful he was dictated how much he got away with and for how long. the fall is irrelevant, IMO.

To be fair, my reference to Paterno was intended to be about his looking the other way. If one wants to point out that people looking the other way in Hollywood aren't as powerful as Paterno, I really don't have a rEason to argue that. It doesn't matter to me. They are still looking the other way. My issue with Norman is his claim that people in power don't know. I find that hard to believe given how many people in the industry seem to know.

 

[El Floppo]

To be fair, my reference to Paterno was intended to be about his looking the other way. If one wants to point out that people looking the other way in Hollywood aren't as powerful as Paterno, I really don't have a rEason to argue that. It doesn't matter to me. They are still looking the other way. My issue with Norman is his claim that people in power don't know. I find that hard to believe given how many people in the industry seem to know.

yeah... sorry- I jumped into the middle of that without seeing the whole discussion. 

it sounds like in HW's case, a lot of people knew in and outside the company... that it speaks to the culture of the industry how rampant and quasi-accepted it was. don't know the particulars of the paterno case to know how widespread it was... thought it was much closer to the vest there- but it stands to reason that there were people looking the other way when allegations continued to be made.

 

[Snickers]

Look, I'm all for sexual predators to be rooted out, however, some of the stories coming forward are from so long ago and represent such vague examples of sexual harrasment that I think the tenor has flipped too far.  And when I say left I'm not trying to make it a political thing, just to me the balance is out of whack.  Look at the ladies accusing Bush #1.  Does everything really think that some ancient dude grazing some women's butts represents sexual harassment? 

I think the Bush example is obviously a better one to argue your point than Spacey. However, Bush made a joke about coping a feel. I tend to give him a pass and think everyone should for someone that age. Heck, I've had women grab my ### unsolicited before and I've done the same...certainly think something like that is on a whole other planet than Spacey trying to bone a teenager or Weinstein assualting dozens of women and the occasional potted plant.

 

[El Floppo]

article in the LA TImes says Brett Ratner too.

 

[James Daulton]

child molestation and sexual misconduct is a left/right thing? huh.

Yea, I didn't really mean politically.   Just to give "swing" context.  

 

[El Floppo]

Yea, I didn't really mean politically.   Just to give "swing" context.  

you and dot are swingers? as in- to swing?

 

[James Daulton]

you and dot are swingers? as in- to swing?

not that kind of swing. 

 

[GroveDiesel]

article in the LA TImes says Brett Ratner too.

And it just keeps getting worse and worse. Pretty disgusting all the people in that article making excuses or defending him. Pretty easy to figure out who is lying and who is telling the truth.

 

[El Floppo]

And it just keeps getting worse and worse. Pretty disgusting all the people in that article making excuses or defending him. Pretty easy to figure out who is lying and who is telling the truth.

yeah. I mean- innocent until proven guilty and all that. but... if it's the same story being told over and over again by different women- some of whom are really successful (which shoudln't necessarily determine veracity... but goes towards not having anything to gain from this) with the same "he denies this ever happened" said repeatedly by his spokesperson... smoke and fire and whatnot. 

 

[Wrigley]

I’ve watched some of these “casting couch” videos 

DISCUSTING!!!!

 

[E-Z Glider]

Has the James Toback story been discussed in here? Hollywood filmaker who forces women to tweak his nipples and stare into his eyes while he either tugs one out or humps their leg to completion. Some ####ed up ####. 

 

[Epic Problem]

Has the James Toback story been discussed in here? Hollywood filmaker who forces women to tweak his nipples and stare into his eyes while he either tugs one out or humps their leg to completion. Some ####ed up ####. 

Outside of the forcing part, it sounds like a typical Tuesday to me.

 

[mquinnjr]

I’ve watched some of these “casting couch” videos 

DISCUSSING!!!!

Tricky thing is, I never see these women listed on IMDB in major mainstream roles. Is it all just a lie?

 

[Psychopav]

Its a text-book example of sexual harassment.

You can't grab people by the butt, or in Trump's case, by the ######.

Who did Trump grab by the #####?

 

[Koya]

Look, I'm all for sexual predators to be rooted out, however, some of the stories coming forward are from so long ago and represent such vague examples of sexual harrasment that I think the tenor has flipped too far.  And when I say left I'm not trying to make it a political thing, just to me the balance is out of whack.  Look at the ladies accusing Bush #1.  Does everything really think that some ancient dude grazing some women's butts represents sexual harassment? 

Dude - YES. 

The fact that forceably touching someone's ### is being put out as not sexual harassment tells me the tenor has not yet flipped far enough.

now, is it as egregious as far worse instances, not to say repeated patterns of behaviour? Certainly not.

is it sexual harassment and NOT OK? Damn straight 

 

[El Floppo]

Has the James Toback story been discussed in here? Hollywood filmaker who forces women to tweak his nipples and stare into his eyes while he either tugs one out or humps their leg to completion. Some ####ed up ####. 

wow... I just assumed it had already been discussed. 

hopefully people will come forward immediately instead of sitting on this stuff and assuming their silence is the only of continuing their careers.

 

[James Daulton]

Dude - YES. 

The fact that forceably touching someone's ### is being put out as not sexual harassment tells me the tenor has not yet flipped far enough.

now, is it as egregious as far worse instances, not to say repeated patterns of behaviour? Certainly not.

is it sexual harassment and NOT OK? Damn straight 

Eh, we'll have to disagree I guess.  An old dude in a wheelchair poses no more threat than some old broad who smacks my ###.  I wouldn't consider that harassment. 

 

[Koya]

Eh, we'll have to disagree I guess.  An old dude in a wheelchair poses no more threat than some old broad who smacks my ###.  I wouldn't consider that harassment. 

That's fine. For you. 

Id personally have a similar response.

Its not up to us to determine what is harassment to another, and physically touching someone in that manner certainly crosses the line. Excusing it, imo, is part of the very problem that is being brought to light. 

 

[Tom Servo]

You are making arguments to issues that don't exist.  Congrats?  I am sorry your boy Paterno turned out to be such a dirtbag.  He is not alone - there are others like him - even in Hollywood.  But, neither the world, nor Hollywood, are "filled" with Joe Paternos - those are super-elite tier.

He's about the furthest thing from a Penn State fan as you can be. His hatred of Penn State is real, tangible, and tastes like molasses.

 

[AAABatteries]

Kevin Spacey: More allegations of sexual harassment surface

The Old Vic has set up a confidential complaints process for anyone connected to the 200-year-old theatre to come forward.

Its rarely an isolated incident with this type of predatory behavior 

Tony Montana?  There's a "saying hello to his little friend" joke in there but it's probably too soon.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Eh, we'll have to disagree I guess.  An old dude in a wheelchair poses no more threat than some old broad who smacks my ###.  I wouldn't consider that harassment. 

What does that have to do with anything?  Are you saying that it's not sexual harassment if the threat of what - assault/rape isn't present as well?

Pretty odd that you don't think most people might want to go through their day without some creepy old ******* grabbing their ###.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Eh, we'll have to disagree I guess.  An old dude in a wheelchair poses no more threat than some old broad who smacks my ###.  I wouldn't consider that harassment. 

I am not a lawyer so I don't know the exact specifics of the law but I am pretty certain sexual harassment has nothing to do with threats.  It deals with specific actions taken by one person towards another who does not want said actions to occur. 

Whether the person feels threatened or not does not factor into the definition.  If person A grabs person B's butt and person B did not want that to happen, that is considered sexual harassment.