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A New Car! (help me choose a sedan) (1 Viewer)

[icon] said:
If you're embarrassed by the H hyundai logo, the Genesis line all feature the bentley-esque winged korean market badging now. ;)  

Do yourself a favor and drive one. 

They also suffer from a pretty quick depreciation rate, so check out a 2015/2016 5.0 with low mileage and take it for a spin. Be sure to test out the Lexicon sound system... if you're a music guy, you'll fall in love. 17 speaker Lexicon system in my car smokes just about any home/auto sound system I've heard. Not to mention 420 ponies under your foot is pretty fun... 
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Correct on all points.

On icon's suggestion I started looking at the Genesis back in I want to say Spring of 2016.  Ended up getting a 2014 5.0 RSPEC sedan, MSRP of $50k, with 14,000 miles on it for $30k out the door.  I had to wait for the right deal to come along (because there just weren't that many out there) but I have not had a single moment of buyer's remorse

 
Zow said:
Nope, but I have heard this.  Either way I'll check that thread out though. 

My probably is that I've never test driven any of these.  

I gotta admit, I'm really liking the "buy a pre-owned two year lease one" suggestions.  Makes a ton of sense to me. 
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Test drive to decide what you want.  Take cards and promise to loop in anyone who helps you out when you're ready to buy.  bcc: them on the e-mail once you've decided what you want.

eta: unless you're buying brand new, in my experience any dealer can help you find any car.  Don't worry about make at that point.  I bought my Genesis from an Aston Martin dealer (and what a fantastic showroom they have...).

 
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i am also a bmw fan.  they have been my last three cars going back to 99 (99-328i, 01-330ci, 05-M3).  they have been very reliable and the coupe survived some tough weather in the colorado mountains (good winter tires). mrs had an A6 wagon.  we had quite a few problems with that car. it sounds like you are looking for a little more space than the 3 series though.  i would definitely lean toward the 5's or audi A6's.

 
Michael Brown said:
Just got a certified BMW 328i last week, was a 2015 with 11k miles for around $23k. After 10 years of driving a Civic, this is really awesome so far
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Salvage title? With that mileage, that seems like an amazing deal!

 
sublimeone said:
Here's how I see it: 

Audi/BMW/Mercedes: If you go entry level (as a general rule anything under 5 series BMW) it seems like you don't have the dough and you're trying too hard. It would be better to drive a fully loaded Accord than a 3-series bmw IMO - it's just more respectable. It's kind of like showing up to the gym with the tightest gear, new pair of MJ's etc... but then having no game and you look even worse than if you just showed up in your shaq's from walmart. 

Lexus/Infiniti: I think you can go more entry level - this applies moreso to Lexus than Infiniti. It's a sensible choice for the classy professional who doesn't have to rub your face in it but still wants you to know he's better than you.

Lincoln: no

Genesis: This is the pick. Tremendous value, performance, quality... all without the extended pinky. It suggests quiet confidence. This vehicle belongs to a man who appreciates the finer things in life because of his excellent taste not because he's trying to convince the other kids he's cool. He'd be cooler than you in a VW Jetta.
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What do you drive? Your response made me curious.

 
Zow said:
Yeah this got really ratings. 

Mazda 6, Genesis, and the Stinger are really do make good sense. I may have to get over myself. 
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It’s funny you’re hung up on saying you drove such and such a car, yet you’ve had a Jetta for years. :lol:  

Our 2013 A6 has been fantastic; best car I’ve ever owned. 

 
Zow said:
So after ten years and over 200k my manly and incredibly reliable 2008 VW Jetta appears to need replacing.  Work has been good so I am looking to upgrade a bit but, like most practical things in life, I'm not so good at going about it and have no really bought a car on my own before (got a hand-me-down and a junker while in school and I bought the Jetta from a former college roommate when it went on sale).  I haven't test driven anything yet and don't know anybody with these cars, but I've done some internet research and narrowed it down to the following below-list choices (I thought I'd be all over a Passat or a CC but they aren't rating well).  I can put some money down and I am looking for about a 500/month payment.  I'd note that the more affordable version of the Tesla would be ideal, but I looked into it and it's not available for 12-18 months so it doesn't appear to be an option. 

What I'm looking for: 

1.  Low to ground sedan that's smooth, has some decent interior options, and a big enough back seat for carseats. Looking to own it for a long time. Need some decent trunk space for golf clubs.

2. Good highway mileage.  I drive like 20k/year, almost all for work, and almost all highway.  If gas prices weren't so low right now a hybrid would be the obvious choice, but I'm not so sure that makes the most sense. 

3. Brand recognition. I know I'm being a bit vain - as I know that Camrys, Avalons, etc. offer nearly the same things - but I find some value to getting myself something that's considered "luxury." 

So far I'm considering: 

1. Audi A3 through A6 - they seem to rate the best. 

2. Lincoln MKZ - looks to be one of the more affordable options. 

3. Lexus ES (maybe the hybrid version?).

4. Cadillac CTs - a bit pricey but I've driven one before and really liked it.

5. VW CC - the nicer version of the car I already know I like, but as indicated it doesn't rate well. 

The Mercedes E-Class and BMW 5-series also look amazing, but I probably can't justify the price. Also it's likely I'll struggle to find a local shop where I live to work on it. 

Please advise with any input, experiences, suggestions, etc.  TIA, will answer yours. 
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I had an Acura TL for many years until it got to about 200k this past summer, so bought an old ES with about 50k miles. The Lexus is a great car that I’ll probably/hopefully drive for 10 years. I love it, but honestly I miss the Acura - much better handling and more fun to drive.  I don’t think you can go wrong with Acura / Lexus / infinity. I would love a genesis but couldn’t find one that fit my profile. 

 
Chemical X said:
Can understand that, maybe this is why used is sometimes better......let someone else hash out the issues and depreciate the value.  Though on my 4 (2 new 2 used), my issues occurred after 7 years. 
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Yeah, I love my 3 series but that thing is in the shop twice a year for one thing or another. Getting the extended warranty on the pre-owned model I bought was the smartest thing I ever did. Now that the warranty on mine has expired, I’m looking to trade it for a Genesis or something before something major blows and I’m on the hook for a $5k repair. 

 
The only answer here is an A4.  Frankly, I’m disappointed that woz isn’t just paying cash for an S4 given his awesome trajectory over the last several years here. But it is what it is.  And it is an A4.  Dont #### this up.  

 
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sublimeone said:
Here's how I see it: 

Audi/BMW/Mercedes: If you go entry level (as a general rule anything under 5 series BMW) it seems like you don't have the dough and you're trying too hard. It would be better to drive a fully loaded Accord than a 3-series bmw IMO - it's just more respectable. It's kind of like showing up to the gym with the tightest gear, new pair of MJ's etc... but then having no game and you look even worse than if you just showed up in your shaq's from walmart. 

Lexus/Infiniti: I think you can go more entry level - this applies moreso to Lexus than Infiniti. It's a sensible choice for the classy professional who doesn't have to rub your face in it but still wants you to know he's better than you.

Lincoln: no

Genesis: This is the pick. Tremendous value, performance, quality... all without the extended pinky. It suggests quiet confidence. This vehicle belongs to a man who appreciates the finer things in life because of his excellent taste not because he's trying to convince the other kids he's cool. He'd be cooler than you in a VW Jetta.
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I can’t disagree with this more respectfully but strongly.  Genesis? Oof. 

Dude has worked hard.   

Edit: how many audi’s Have you owned?

 
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Zow said:
Yeah this got really ratings. 

Mazda 6, Genesis, and the Stinger are really do make good sense. I may have to get over myself. 
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Dude, you drove a Jetta for ten years

Let that sink in a bit

:P  

 
Care less about the badge and more about the car. Do grown men who are married and have kids still really care about saying something like “hey, I drive a jag!”  That’s the first obstacle here. 

I’ve owned a bunch of Audis over the years and have loved them. Silly smooth to drive, quick, comfortable, and never had a problem with any of them. Would recommend. 

Surprised you’re not on market for an SUV. I haven’t owned a “car” in years. Been all Q5s and Q7s and X5s and Yukons in our driveway for a long damn time.  Even my “weekend toy” is a vintage truck....

If I were on the market right now for a car I’d look very hard at the Genesis or the Equus.  Mostly because anyone trying to be cool or special buying an Audi or BMW or Cadillac is a fool, because there are about a billion of them on the road unless you get a $140k version, and because I’d rather have something different and interest and would revel inside at the notion that I got way better value for my buck and I’m not a worker bee drone like everyone else. Oh, and icon recommends them. 

Some of the Volvo’s get awesome reviews these days and would interest me too. 

If I were to get a Caddy it would be a CTSV. At least let me have a #####in time driving the thing to work every day.  A used BMW M5 would be similarly fun. 

 
zoonation said:
The only answer here is an A4.  Frankly, I’m disappointed that woz isn’t just paying cash for an S4 given his awesome trajectory over the last several years here. But it is what it is.  And it is an A4.  Dont #### this up.  
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I’d buy a preowned S4 or S5 over a new A4. Let someone else pay to drive it off the showroom floor and break it in; you then have all the fun. 

 
Otis said:
Care less about the badge and more about the car. Do grown men who are married and have kids still really care about saying something like “hey, I drive a jag!”  That’s the first obstacle here. 

I’ve owned a bunch of Audis over the years and have loved them. Silly smooth to drive, quick, comfortable, and never had a problem with any of them. Would recommend. 

Surprised you’re not on market for an SUV. I haven’t owned a “car” in years. Been all Q5s and Q7s and X5s and Yukons in our driveway for a long damn time.  Even my “weekend toy” is a vintage truck....

If I were on the market right now for a car I’d look very hard at the Genesis or the Equus.  Mostly because anyone trying to be cool or special buying an Audi or BMW or Cadillac is a fool, because there are about a billion of them on the road unless you get a $140k version, and because I’d rather have something different and interest and would revel inside at the notion that I got way better value for my buck and I’m not a worker bee drone like everyone else. Oh, and icon recommends them. 

Some of the Volvo’s get awesome reviews these days and would interest me too. 

If I were to get a Caddy it would be a CTSV. At least let me have a #####in time driving the thing to work every day.  A used BMW M5 would be similarly fun. 
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Don't need the SUV.  Leased a very sensible and practical Ford Flex a couple of years ago when we took in the second kid.  My wife drives that during the week and that's what we haul the kid(s) and all their stuff on the weekends. I drive my car almost exclusively for work.  We have offices in three cities in a large county (all about 60 miles apart) so I'm doing a lot of highway driving by myself.  I want to be able to put a carseat or two in the back just in case, but I don't need anything big, prefer to drive a lower to the ground car, and gas mileage matters a lot to me because I do a lot of empty miles. 

Regarding the brand choices, I'm fully willing to admit I'm driven by some vanity here.  I remember when I started dating the ex as a first year she made the comment that she had briefly dated or hooked up with a BigLaw attorney driving a Jag.  At the time I was driving a $200 1988 POS (I don't even remember the make or model).  I told myself I'd get there. I did.  The last five years or so I've paid off a wedding, an engagement ring, an IVF loan, my wife's pre-marriage cc debt, and bought a house.  Never thought about it because I legitimately liked my Jetta and the last few years of no  car payment was very nice. But, the Jetta is on its last legs.  So, it's time -- even though I'm not in the market for mid-20s hot nurses and saving for my kid's college is important. But, call it vanity or whatever, I'm up for something that says: I work through lunches and into the late evening hours, I paid attention in school, I made good life choices, etc.  I don't really necessarily want to drive around aimlessly and fall back into pools, but I can afford to get something that's a mini-ego boost when I get into it each morning to head off to a stressful 12 hour day or whatever.  

 
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Maybe just start by test driving a few different vehicles and start ruling out the ones whose ride you don't like?  Process of elimination might help you make up your mind.

 
zoonation said:
The only answer here is an A4.  Frankly, I’m disappointed that woz isn’t just paying cash for an S4 given his awesome trajectory over the last several years here. But it is what it is.  And it is an A4.  Dont #### this up.  
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If you want half the power, half the sound system, half the features... I guess the A4 is a consideration. My buddy’s ‘15  is nice, but it’s not on the same level as Genesis. 

 
Spike said:
Maybe just start by test driving a few different vehicles and start ruling out the ones whose ride you don't like?  Process of elimination might help you make up your mind.
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Yup, make a day of it. Take the wife or a buddy and hit up 3 or so dealerships. Test drive different cars. Grab some lunch. Have fun with it.

 
eoMMan said:
Yup, make a day of it. Take the wife or a buddy and hit up 3 or so dealerships. Test drive different cars. Grab some lunch. Have fun with it.
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:yes:

That's my plan, but I'll take my oldest son. We'll probably do this a couple times before we'll actually buy.

 
eoMMan said:
Yup, make a day of it. Take the wife or a buddy and hit up 3 or so dealerships. Test drive different cars. Grab some lunch. Have fun with it.
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Yep, gonna hit Phoenix this weekend and test drive some this Sunday around the Vikings game - assuming I get over this damn flu by then. 

 
tjnc09 said:
Walking into a dealership with no intent to buy sounds like the worst idea ever.
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Granted, it was a different day and age, but my dad took me car "shopping" all the time as a kid.  When Nissan brought the 240Z back (in the late 80s?) he was fairly interested in getting one.  He would take me to a dealer, let them know he wanted to test drive one, then we'd head out on the road and he would push it to its limits (this wasn't a suped up super car, but it was fun to drive when you two cars at home are an '86 Camry, and a '77 Oldmobile Custom Cruiser).  Then we'd go to the salesman's office and he would dicker for as long as he could keep the salesman's attention.  We would never get close enough to buy though.  We did this multiple times, until I got a little bored of watching my dad do 30 over the speed limit on curvy little side streets.  I finally said "are we really ever going to get one of these?" to which he answered "if I can get him down to $x today, we'll drive one home."  We got there, took the test drive, and spent the afternoon dickering until we go to literally X plus fifty bucks.  The salesman wouldn't go any lower and my dad wouldn't bite.  We never got a 240Z.

Some people just love the process.

 
Zow said:
Don't need the SUV.  Leased a very sensible and practical Ford Flex a couple of years ago when we took in the second kid.  My wife drives that during the week and that's what we haul the kid(s) and all their stuff on the weekends. I drive my car almost exclusively for work.  We have offices in three cities in a large county (all about 60 miles apart) so I'm doing a lot of highway driving by myself.  I want to be able to put a carseat or two in the back just in case, but I don't need anything big, prefer to drive a lower to the ground car, and gas mileage matters a lot to me because I do a lot of empty miles. 

Regarding the brand choices, I'm fully willing to admit I'm driven by some vanity here.  I remember when I started dating the ex as a first year she made the comment that she had briefly dated or hooked up with a BigLaw attorney driving a Jag.  At the time I was driving a $200 1988 POS (I don't even remember the make or model).  I told myself I'd get there. I did.  The last five years or so I've paid off a wedding, an engagement ring, an IVF loan, my wife's pre-marriage cc debt, and bought a house.  Never thought about it because I legitimately liked my Jetta and the last few years of no  car payment was very nice. But, the Jetta is on its last legs.  So, it's time -- even though I'm not in the market for mid-20s hot nurses and saving for my kid's college is important. But, call it vanity or whatever, I'm up for something that says: I work through lunches and into the late evening hours, I paid attention in school, I made good life choices, etc.  I don't really necessarily want to drive around aimlessly and fall back into pools, but I can afford to get something that's a mini-ego boost when I get into it each morning to head off to a stressful 12 hour day or whatever.  
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Still such a strange concept to me. I mean, in part because buying a BMW 3 series or an Audi A4 in part for vanity’s sake?  They’re like Accords or Camrys around here these days. I can’t imagine anyone going “wow he drives a 325i??” And second I cant fathom caring if they did. At 22 maybe. But now?  I dunno.  Maybe I’ve just gotten old and boring.

 
Otis said:
Still such a strange concept to me. I mean, in part because buying a BMW 3 series or an Audi A4 in part for vanity’s sake?  They’re like Accords or Camrys around here these days. I can’t imagine anyone going “wow he drives a 325i??” And second I cant fathom caring if they did. At 22 maybe. But now?  I dunno.  Maybe I’ve just gotten old and boring.
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For what it’s worth, I’m seriously considering the genesis. 

What specifically would you suggest for a sedan?

 
yeah.... go test drive every model you are considering.  look at the space and features  and determine what is important for you.  i belong to a credit union and they had an excellent auto buying service.  i knew make and model and they were able to get me a very good deal both times i used them.

 
Otis said:
Still such a strange concept to me. I mean, in part because buying a BMW 3 series or an Audi A4 in part for vanity’s sake?  They’re like Accords or Camrys around here these days. I can’t imagine anyone going “wow he drives a 325i??” And second I cant fathom caring if they did. At 22 maybe. But now?  I dunno.  Maybe I’ve just gotten old and boring.
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There is certainly a different impression between "He drives a beemer/benz" vs. "He drives a Honda/Toyota".

 
Otis said:
Still such a strange concept to me. I mean, in part because buying a BMW 3 series or an Audi A4 in part for vanity’s sake?  They’re like Accords or Camrys around here these days. I can’t imagine anyone going “wow he drives a 325i??” And second I cant fathom caring if they did. At 22 maybe. But now?  I dunno.  Maybe I’ve just gotten old and boring.
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I look at those like a  Accord, Fusion, Camry or Malibu but cost twice as much.

 
Zow said:
Don't need the SUV.  Leased a very sensible and practical Ford Flex a couple of years ago when we took in the second kid.  My wife drives that during the week and that's what we haul the kid(s) and all their stuff on the weekends. I drive my car almost exclusively for work.  We have offices in three cities in a large county (all about 60 miles apart) so I'm doing a lot of highway driving by myself.  I want to be able to put a carseat or two in the back just in case, but I don't need anything big, prefer to drive a lower to the ground car, and gas mileage matters a lot to me because I do a lot of empty miles. 

Regarding the brand choices, I'm fully willing to admit I'm driven by some vanity here.  I remember when I started dating the ex as a first year she made the comment that she had briefly dated or hooked up with a BigLaw attorney driving a Jag.  At the time I was driving a $200 1988 POS (I don't even remember the make or model).  I told myself I'd get there. I did.  The last five years or so I've paid off a wedding, an engagement ring, an IVF loan, my wife's pre-marriage cc debt, and bought a house.  Never thought about it because I legitimately liked my Jetta and the last few years of no  car payment was very nice. But, the Jetta is on its last legs.  So, it's time -- even though I'm not in the market for mid-20s hot nurses and saving for my kid's college is important. But, call it vanity or whatever, I'm up for something that says: I work through lunches and into the late evening hours, I paid attention in school, I made good life choices, etc.  I don't really necessarily want to drive around aimlessly and fall back into pools, but I can afford to get something that's a mini-ego boost when I get into it each morning to head off to a stressful 12 hour day or whatever.  
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Jetta got the 2.5 engine?  Might last a bit.

 
DropKick said:
Jetta got the 2.5 engine?  Might last a bit.
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Yep.  Got it back from the shop yesterday and they did say there's no serious issue.  Good drive it a while longer.  Just fear that multi-hour drives where it dies on me. 

 
an upgrade for vanity sake to get above the camry/accord conversation would be in the 5 series, A6, E class, Lexus GS, Infinity Q50 (for sports car guy who needs a sedan), or thereabouts. Not a domestic brand guy myself, but a lot of good cars now there too. the new Genesis line looks great and from what I've read the performance on those are on par with its Japanese counterparts, but not anywhere near the German levels yet. But then the Genesis is no longer the value king, the new G line isn't cheap. Of these I'm a big fan of Audi, though I drive a Infiniti. Couldn't afford the Audi I wanted (S6).

@Otis, i think that vanity factor that dies in our 20s are still there in our 40s when it comes to our cars, it just takes another $30K or so above a 3 series to get us there. Agree a 3 series doesn't exactly scream "I'm successful," especially here in LA where every kid in the neighborhood seems to have one.

 
Zow said:
For what it’s worth, I’m seriously considering the genesis. 

What specifically would you suggest for a sedan?
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I don’t know. Good question because I’m not a sedan guy and am not a heavy driver, so “fun” factor usually trumps things like gas mileage for me. If I were in the market for one, I’d look at the Hyundais; I’d like at a CPO Audi S5 or BMW M5. I actually always really liked the BMW 8 series line that everyone made fun of with the first generation iDrive. I thought those were pretty sweet and fast as all get out and can now be had for a song. (I actually really like the old 8 series from the 80s, been looking at them for a while, but a vintage German car is the opposite of everything you are looking for). 

You might even even look at an M3. I had the E46 model in a 4 door and loved the crap out of it. Fun car and I think the looks hold up. Theme again gas mileage may be a different issue. 

 
Johnny Rock said:
Dodge Aries K-car wood-paneling convertible down? It’s a miracle the US car companies survived. 
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How about some of the *** cars from the 70s?  All were considered pure junk.  The 76 Accord was horrible and I remember my older sister had one.  My dad used to complian because it was always breaking down and he did not know how to work on it.

Datsun's and Toyotas were just as bad.

'76 Honda Accord

Bondo not included

This car rusted faster than Might Car Mods street cred VW. I’m almost positive in the early Honda days they thought galvanized metal was not necessary. It showed. Along with the rust bucket it already is, the car only had two forward gears even though it was advertised as a 3 speed. Imagine trying to go more than 40 in second gear while trying to hear your girlfriend tell you about her day. …Wait maybe they were on to something with that.

Datsun F-10

The Pinto of Japan

With Nissans first front drive car in America they rolled out one of the ugliest cars ever known to man. It was ugly in style and in terms of engineering. You have to wonder too how the designers thought the front end was good. It just all looks very sad and the floorboards rusted out within two years.

 
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Da Guru said:
How about some of the *** cars from the 70s?  All were considered pure junk.  The 76 Accord was horrible and I remember my older sister had one.  My dad used to complian because it was always breaking down and he did not know how to work on it.

Datsun's and Toyotas were just as bad.

'76 Honda Accord

Bondo not included

This car rusted faster than Might Car Mods street cred VW. I’m almost positive in the early Honda days they thought galvanized metal was not necessary. It showed. Along with the rust bucket it already is, the car only had two forward gears even though it was advertised as a 3 speed. Imagine trying to go more than 40 in second gear while trying to hear your girlfriend tell you about her day. …Wait maybe they were on to something with that.

Datsun F-10

The Pinto of Japan

With Nissans first front drive car in America they rolled out one of the ugliest cars ever known to man. It was ugly in style and in terms of engineering. You have to wonder too how the designers thought the front end was good. It just all looks very sad and the floorboards rusted out within two years.
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I like the vintage look of the F-10  :wub:

 
Zow said:
For what it’s worth, I’m seriously considering the genesis. 

What specifically would you suggest for a sedan?
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Mercedes/BMW/Audi>Lexus/Infinity/Acura>Genesis> Toyota/Honda/Nissan. After you do some test drives and research the differences, put your list together, rationalize the brand you think you are comfortable getting. Sleep on it and see what you think in the morning. Function/cost vs status. 

 
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