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**AFC Divisional Round - Texans at Chiefs**(-8.5, 42) 4:30 on ABC (1 Viewer)

Great game.

Houston fought hard and gave them all they wanted. Kansas City was the better team and deserved to win.
What are your thoughts/opinions on the reffing situation concerning KC games, Joe?

This has been as big a topic of discussion as the games themselves for multiple years now.

I think it's mostly a conspiracy. I laugh about it a lot on Random Shots and have fun with it.

I think the league would vastly prefer another team to win the Super Bowl. It's better for their business. So I put little stock in it.
Could be fun to account for the volume of suspect calls for the Chiefs and for other teams. Then it's a quantifiable thing vs. a conspiracy.

It's not just one player either. Yes, Mahomes gets the Jordan treatment and it's possible we see some of that tomorrow with Lamar and Josh too. But it's the whole team. Holding on another team is allowed by the officials for the Chiefs in the same game and in the same scenario. Reid was offsides on an early Texans field goal attempt, no flag. It's not just Mahomes that people are pointing to and have a problem with.

Edit : Another example : https://x.com/packers_access/status/1880733097786007829
 
Licensed consumer products sales won’t be a big gap between the Lions (best case) and the Chiefs. Media and sponsorship…how big of an impact does Swift have on that?
 
I thought Pacheco when he came back he be a big player in this offense, but has gone over 50 yards only once and has only 20 rushes over his last 3 games.. what does this mean for him next season?
 
Yes stars get calls in every sport, Michael Jordan, etc. Just don't think it's been to this level before.
Not in football it hasn't been. I used to love the NBA, I quit watching over a decade ago, when breathing on Dwayne Wade was considered an equal foul to punching a lesser player.

I think football sort of policed (badly most of the time) itself in that way. Refs were almost afraid to do that back in the day because you'd put a target on that guy. I feel like a BS roughing call happens in the 80's and Buddy Ryan is telling his defense on the next play, to send him home in a body bag. Its better now than it was then, but its been overcorrected.
 
Wait! I teased the line to HOU + 9.5 :towelwave:
I wish I did. Man - .5 point game.

Vegas is so good at this.

They are very good at this.

But that safety was the obvious right move to win the game.
Yeah, but it’s just amazing to me how often the line is within 1 point.
There's a reason when a resort/hotel in Vegas gets demolished
A bigger better one gets erected in it's place
 
I thought Pacheco when he came back he be a big player in this offense, but has gone over 50 yards only once and has only 20 rushes over his last 3 games.. what does this mean for him next season?
He's been bad for the most part and outplayed by Hunt. He simply looks slow and off since returning.
 
Great game.

Houston fought hard and gave them all they wanted. Kansas City was the better team and deserved to win.
What are your thoughts/opinions on the reffing situation concerning KC games, Joe?

This has been as big a topic of discussion as the games themselves for multiple years now.

I think it's mostly a conspiracy. I laugh about it a lot on Random Shots and have fun with it.

I think the league would vastly prefer another team to win the Super Bowl. It's better for their business. So I put little stock in it.
Could be fun to account for the volume of suspect calls for the Chiefs and for other teams. Then it's a quantifiable thing vs. a conspiracy.

It's not just one player either. Yes, Mahomes gets the Jordan treatment and it's possible we see some of that tomorrow with Lamar and Josh too. But it's the whole team. Holding on another team is allowed by the officials for the Chiefs in the same game and in the same scenario. Reid was offsides on an early Texans field goal attempt, no flag. It's not just Mahomes that people are pointing to and have a problem with.

Edit : Another example : https://x.com/packers_access/status/1880733097786007829

I think that's the 4th hip drop tackle against Houston this year that wasn't called... Mixon being injured and missing several games on the first, and then was gimpy for awhile after the second IIRC.
 
Great game.

Houston fought hard and gave them all they wanted. Kansas City was the better team and deserved to win.
What are your thoughts/opinions on the reffing situation concerning KC games, Joe?

This has been as big a topic of discussion as the games themselves for multiple years now.

I think it's mostly a conspiracy. I laugh about it a lot on Random Shots and have fun with it.

I think the league would vastly prefer another team to win the Super Bowl. It's better for their business. So I put little stock in it.
Could be fun to account for the volume of suspect calls for the Chiefs and for other teams. Then it's a quantifiable thing vs. a conspiracy.

It's not just one player either. Yes, Mahomes gets the Jordan treatment and it's possible we see some of that tomorrow with Lamar and Josh too. But it's the whole team. Holding on another team is allowed by the officials for the Chiefs in the same game and in the same scenario. Reid was offsides on an early Texans field goal attempt, no flag. It's not just Mahomes that people are pointing to and have a problem with.

Edit : Another example : https://x.com/packers_access/status/1880733097786007829
Not to mention #74 lining up illegally and starting his pass pro early every time. It's not like you can't see Taylor, he's 6'5", and 330 lbs! LOL
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
 
I get upset about calls too but I usually try to keep it in perspective there's generally good, bad, missed calls both directions.

But I admit I've come to dislike Mahomes as a player after having once been a fan of him. It upsets me that it seems like every game I watch him, he's getting calls that most players don't.

But the worst part is it is pretty blatant the stuff he does to get the calls. He's exploiting it. The flop out of bounds, and the not-a-slide at the last second being prime examples.

But the NFL does nothing. They should be talking to the officials and saying, "Yes, don't throw a flag when the QB does that". Mahomes should get a reputation that results in less calls, not more. And now they actually have the ability to get in the ref's ear in real time and say pick up the flag, but they don't when it's Mahomes.

So I'm pretty sickened by how this game went. The refs didn't decide the outcome, I don't think there's a conspiracy. But the game against a very good team becomes so much harder when the refs repeatedly do this stuff. The refs enabled a 10 point swing by keeping 2 scoring drives alive. Not many teams are going to beat KC with that kind of help that so often feels one-sided.
 
Lost a lot of respect for Mahomes with that sideline pull up flop too. Wish they’d flag him for unsportsmanlike the way the NHL does. Pansy.
Yep, pretty pathetic.
It’s one thing to know you’re getting calls and another to actually lean into it and go full exploitation.

Competitor. I get it. He’s just trying to win. But, I’d respect him a lot more if he won the right way.
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
 
Wait! I teased the line to HOU + 9.5 :towelwave:
I wish I did. Man - .5 point game.

Vegas is so good at this.

They are very good at this.

But that safety was the obvious right move to win the game.
Yeah, but it’s just amazing to me how often the line is within 1 point.
There's a reason when a resort/hotel in Vegas gets demolished
A bigger better one gets erected in it's place
Word.
 
Lost a lot of respect for Mahomes with that sideline pull up flop too. Wish they’d flag him for unsportsmanlike the way the NHL does. Pansy.
Call me a grumpy old man, but it’s to the point where it’s disrespectful to the game of football. He’s making a mockery of the rules and thumbing his nose at both his opponents and the refs.
 
Lost a lot of respect for Mahomes with that sideline pull up flop too. Wish they’d flag him for unsportsmanlike the way the NHL does. Pansy.
Call me a grumpy old man, but it’s to the point where it’s disrespectful to the game of football. He’s making a mockery of the rules and thumbing his nose at both his opponents and the refs.

Josh Allen has flopped about 643 times man
 
Great game.

Houston fought hard and gave them all they wanted. Kansas City was the better team and deserved to win.
What are your thoughts/opinions on the reffing situation concerning KC games, Joe?

This has been as big a topic of discussion as the games themselves for multiple years now.

I think it's mostly a conspiracy. I laugh about it a lot on Random Shots and have fun with it.

I think the league would vastly prefer another team to win the Super Bowl. It's better for their business. So I put little stock in it.
Could be fun to account for the volume of suspect calls for the Chiefs and for other teams. Then it's a quantifiable thing vs. a conspiracy.

It's not just one player either. Yes, Mahomes gets the Jordan treatment and it's possible we see some of that tomorrow with Lamar and Josh too. But it's the whole team. Holding on another team is allowed by the officials for the Chiefs in the same game and in the same scenario. Reid was offsides on an early Texans field goal attempt, no flag. It's not just Mahomes that people are pointing to and have a problem with.

Edit : Another example : https://x.com/packers_access/status/1880733097786007829

I think that's the 4th hip drop tackle against Houston this year that wasn't called... Mixon being injured and missing several games on the first, and then was gimpy for awhile after the second IIRC.
Watching this reply from Will Anderson is tough too. It's like they know and they feel helpless to do anything against it. That's what's so disheartening. Call it even across the board, and fine. When it's known even going into the game....that stinks

 
Lost a lot of respect for Mahomes with that sideline pull up flop too. Wish they’d flag him for unsportsmanlike the way the NHL does. Pansy.
Call me a grumpy old man, but it’s to the point where it’s disrespectful to the game of football. He’s making a mockery of the rules and thumbing his nose at both his opponents and the refs.
Oh come on now.

Any competitor in the history of sports does whatever it takes to win. The Chiefs and Mahomes have always respected the game and played it within the confines of whatever “rules” are in place.

People wanna blame the refs? Fine. I have always believed the NFL is influenced and I have spoken about it here on these boards plenty of times.

And I fully get people hate the Chiefs now. Just like we all hated the Patriots. And the Cowboys. And the Niners.

Welcome to sports.
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
Do you think the NFL is intentionally trying to help the Chiefs win by having the officials intentionally influence the outcome of the game?
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
Do you think the NFL is intentionally trying to help the Chiefs win by having the officials intentionally influence the outcome of the game?

I do. And I don't think it's anything new.

NFL is unique in that there is one game/week and a short enough regular season where there are critical games throughout. This means that the storylines are numerous enough that networks can pick and choose the best ones to build around every week. Scripting or influencing outcomes can only enhance these storylines, ratings, and grow viewership. Football is action-packed and the fans are very passionate. It is very easy to stoke those flames and why not stoke 'em in a way that works best for the product.

Dynasties are great for sports because if done correctly, they start out as the heroes that unseat the villain... but the honeymoon period won't last, and the heroes become the new villains and the cycle repeats. And the more the villains win the more the mob angers and looks for, and pulls for, the next hero.

And if this sounds familiar, it's the formula professional wrestling has employed for decades. Maybe the only broadcast to outdraw Monday Night Football in that time slot... so, YES... people love, and will watch scripted events with great passion, loyalty, and enthusiasm.
 
We’ve had murderers committing suicide while in prison but we haven’t had anybody break the scripting conspiracy?

Unless you’re arguing that the players are on the up-and-up and it’s the league and their officiating crews that are dirty, I don’t see it. It’s actually rather amazing what people will believe.
 
I mean, I thought we all hated Brady and the Patriots for solid, all-American reasons. Spygate. Deflategate. Cheating. Secrecy. Tuck Rule. Obnoxiousness all around.

I guess I was just a lemming going off a cliff with people that didn’t like another entity because that entity was good at what they do.

Boy, have I ever been duped.
 
We’ve had murderers committing suicide while in prison but we haven’t had anybody break the scripting conspiracy?

Unless you’re arguing that the players are on the up-and-up and it’s the league and their officiating crews that are dirty, I don’t see it. It’s actually rather amazing what people will believe.

I resisted the notion for a long time, then I realized it doesn't matter what I believe... I'm not the target audience. Professional wrestling was once legitimate sport (1960s) until one day they realized that it wasn't the matches that drove people to come back and follow it via magazines and TV, it was the storylines and the outcomes.

It's funny because the younger generations... they think the NFL is fake and they don't care. NFL franchises are worth more than ever and why, because NFL is now a 24/7/365 sport driven by storylines. It dominates all other sports combined. Shows like Get Up on ESPN are almost entirely NFL storylines... and most are products of someone's imagination. These "sources" that leak these clickbait headlines... probably entirely made-up... and the public eats it up. The stuff that has been written about Aaron Rodgers, turning him into public enemy #1... most of it entirely made-up or snipped, taken out of context and twisted into some "WAIT 'TIL YOU HEAR WHAT RODGERS SAID NOW" piece that people latch onto and spread like wildfire (you see it here in the Shark Pool).

So yes, it would be wonderful to have fair play and the integrity of the game and that be the "thing" that makes the NFL great... but it's not, entertainment factor is much more lucrative so why not find a way to exploit that. It's like the local nightly news vs news opinion shows (CNN, Fox News, other) - which is more legit, and which draws more ratings and more $$$?
 
Our brains are literally hard wired for bias.

Over the long run judgement calls are always going to go in favour of the team expected to win.

What I don’t get is the allowable false starts. It is blatant and observable with the human eye in real time. It is repeated game after game after game. So to me the only explanation is that refs (the league) do not see that as a penalty.

How can that be?

As for flopping, being a Bills fans I wish our QB didn’t do it either 😕
 
Lost a lot of respect for Mahomes with that sideline pull up flop too. Wish they’d flag him for unsportsmanlike the way the NHL does. Pansy.
Call me a grumpy old man, but it’s to the point where it’s disrespectful to the game of football. He’s making a mockery of the rules and thumbing his nose at both his opponents and the refs.

Josh Allen has flopped about 643 times man
I don’t like the flops and wish Josh didn’t do it. But that’s different than pretending to go out of bounds and continuing to run. Or dancing around inviting the hit then dropping at the last second after defenders already commit. Or slowing down at the last second while going out of bounds to make sure he gets hit as he’s going out.
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
Do you think the NFL is intentionally trying to help the Chiefs win by having the officials intentionally influence the outcome of the game?

I do. And I don't think it's anything new.

NFL is unique in that there is one game/week and a short enough regular season where there are critical games throughout. This means that the storylines are numerous enough that networks can pick and choose the best ones to build around every week. Scripting or influencing outcomes can only enhance these storylines, ratings, and grow viewership. Football is action-packed and the fans are very passionate. It is very easy to stoke those flames and why not stoke 'em in a way that works best for the product.

Dynasties are great for sports because if done correctly, they start out as the heroes that unseat the villain... but the honeymoon period won't last, and the heroes become the new villains and the cycle repeats. And the more the villains win the more the mob angers and looks for, and pulls for, the next hero.

And if this sounds familiar, it's the formula professional wrestling has employed for decades. Maybe the only broadcast to outdraw Monday Night Football in that time slot... so, YES... people love, and will watch scripted events with great passion, loyalty, and enthusiasm.



Thanks for the honesty. But I totally disagree.

I don't think there is any illegal interference from the league trying to unfairly influence an outcome. That's an incredibly serious allegation and one I don't agree with at all.

The primary reason is I don't think they're that stupid to risk billions and billions of dollars trying to fix a game.
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
Do you think the NFL is intentionally trying to help the Chiefs win by having the officials intentionally influence the outcome of the game?

I do. And I don't think it's anything new.

NFL is unique in that there is one game/week and a short enough regular season where there are critical games throughout. This means that the storylines are numerous enough that networks can pick and choose the best ones to build around every week. Scripting or influencing outcomes can only enhance these storylines, ratings, and grow viewership. Football is action-packed and the fans are very passionate. It is very easy to stoke those flames and why not stoke 'em in a way that works best for the product.

Dynasties are great for sports because if done correctly, they start out as the heroes that unseat the villain... but the honeymoon period won't last, and the heroes become the new villains and the cycle repeats. And the more the villains win the more the mob angers and looks for, and pulls for, the next hero.

And if this sounds familiar, it's the formula professional wrestling has employed for decades. Maybe the only broadcast to outdraw Monday Night Football in that time slot... so, YES... people love, and will watch scripted events with great passion, loyalty, and enthusiasm.



Thanks for the honesty. But I totally disagree.

I don't think there is any illegal interference from the league trying to unfairly influence an outcome. That's an incredibly serious allegation and one I don't agree with at all.

The primary reason is I don't think they're that stupid to risk billions and billions of dollars trying to fix a game.
Do you think the refs favor the Chiefs for some other reason? How else can you explain this every week occurrances? What about #74 false starting on every pass play? Why are they allowiing him to get away with that?
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
Do you think the NFL is intentionally trying to help the Chiefs win by having the officials intentionally influence the outcome of the game?

I do. And I don't think it's anything new.

NFL is unique in that there is one game/week and a short enough regular season where there are critical games throughout. This means that the storylines are numerous enough that networks can pick and choose the best ones to build around every week. Scripting or influencing outcomes can only enhance these storylines, ratings, and grow viewership. Football is action-packed and the fans are very passionate. It is very easy to stoke those flames and why not stoke 'em in a way that works best for the product.

Dynasties are great for sports because if done correctly, they start out as the heroes that unseat the villain... but the honeymoon period won't last, and the heroes become the new villains and the cycle repeats. And the more the villains win the more the mob angers and looks for, and pulls for, the next hero.

And if this sounds familiar, it's the formula professional wrestling has employed for decades. Maybe the only broadcast to outdraw Monday Night Football in that time slot... so, YES... people love, and will watch scripted events with great passion, loyalty, and enthusiasm.



Thanks for the honesty. But I totally disagree.

I don't think there is any illegal interference from the league trying to unfairly influence an outcome. That's an incredibly serious allegation and one I don't agree with at all.

The primary reason is I don't think they're that stupid to risk billions and billions of dollars trying to fix a game.
Do you think the refs favor the Chiefs for some other reason? How else can you explain this every week occurrances? What about #74 false starting on every pass play? Why are they allowiing him to get away with that?
Many of us think the Chiefs are getting helped by the refs. I don’t know why but the answer to most questions is money.
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
Do you think the NFL is intentionally trying to help the Chiefs win by having the officials intentionally influence the outcome of the game?

I do. And I don't think it's anything new.

NFL is unique in that there is one game/week and a short enough regular season where there are critical games throughout. This means that the storylines are numerous enough that networks can pick and choose the best ones to build around every week. Scripting or influencing outcomes can only enhance these storylines, ratings, and grow viewership. Football is action-packed and the fans are very passionate. It is very easy to stoke those flames and why not stoke 'em in a way that works best for the product.

Dynasties are great for sports because if done correctly, they start out as the heroes that unseat the villain... but the honeymoon period won't last, and the heroes become the new villains and the cycle repeats. And the more the villains win the more the mob angers and looks for, and pulls for, the next hero.

And if this sounds familiar, it's the formula professional wrestling has employed for decades. Maybe the only broadcast to outdraw Monday Night Football in that time slot... so, YES... people love, and will watch scripted events with great passion, loyalty, and enthusiasm.



Thanks for the honesty. But I totally disagree.

I don't think there is any illegal interference from the league trying to unfairly influence an outcome. That's an incredibly serious allegation and one I don't agree with at all.

The primary reason is I don't think they're that stupid to risk billions and billions of dollars trying to fix a game.
Do you think the refs favor the Chiefs for some other reason? How else can you explain this every week occurrances? What about #74 false starting on every pass play? Why are they allowiing him to get away with that?
Many of us think the Chiefs are getting helped by the refs. I don’t know why but the answer to most questions is money.
The elephant in the room that no one wants to address is #74 false starting on every passing play and they allow it. Why is that? Never mind the phantom PI on Schultz, I want to know why #74 is allowed to play by a different rule than the rest of the NFL. If people don't think this helps with KC protection of Mahomes, they are out of their mind.
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
Do you think the NFL is intentionally trying to help the Chiefs win by having the officials intentionally influence the outcome of the game?

I do. And I don't think it's anything new.

NFL is unique in that there is one game/week and a short enough regular season where there are critical games throughout. This means that the storylines are numerous enough that networks can pick and choose the best ones to build around every week. Scripting or influencing outcomes can only enhance these storylines, ratings, and grow viewership. Football is action-packed and the fans are very passionate. It is very easy to stoke those flames and why not stoke 'em in a way that works best for the product.

Dynasties are great for sports because if done correctly, they start out as the heroes that unseat the villain... but the honeymoon period won't last, and the heroes become the new villains and the cycle repeats. And the more the villains win the more the mob angers and looks for, and pulls for, the next hero.

And if this sounds familiar, it's the formula professional wrestling has employed for decades. Maybe the only broadcast to outdraw Monday Night Football in that time slot... so, YES... people love, and will watch scripted events with great passion, loyalty, and enthusiasm.



Thanks for the honesty. But I totally disagree.

I don't think there is any illegal interference from the league trying to unfairly influence an outcome. That's an incredibly serious allegation and one I don't agree with at all.

The primary reason is I don't think they're that stupid to risk billions and billions of dollars trying to fix a game.

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

And I think it's been that way for a long time. I'm a Steelers fan, and I still cannot come to grips with the Super Bowl vs Seattle. I watched that game at a party with a bunch of Steelers fans... felt like being at a wake.

I just think the NFL realized at some point that the real money and the best way to expand the audience was to proritize entertainment over fair play... so when possible... give the game a little nudge. That KCC vs HOU game was 100% in control by 5-6 critical calls (or non-calls). Were they just the worst refs ever to take the field, or were they just serving the company they work for?
 
Will Anderson said, "it was us against the refs".

The phantom PI on Schultz wasn't even mentioned and we all say with our eyes how bad that was. Why won't anyone bring up #74 false starts on every pass play?

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Houston Texans defensive end Will Anderson Jr. said he believes the referees were against his team in Saturday's 23-14 AFC divisional round loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

The Texans' defense was flagged for two controversial penalties at separate points when it contacted Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes. Both extended Kansas City drives, leading to a crucial 10 points for the Chiefs.

"We knew it was going to be us versus the refs going into this game," Anderson said afterward.

Anderson was flagged for roughing the passer on a Mahomes incomplete pass to tight end Travis Kelce on third down during the Chiefs' second drive. Anderson appeared to hit Mahomes in the upper neck area shortly after he released the pass. That drive ended in a field goal to put the Chiefs up 6-3.

Referee Clay Martin told a pool reporter that Anderson made "forcible contact to the face mask area" on the play.

"I had forcible contact to the face mask area and so I went with roughing the passer on that play," Martin said.

In the third quarter, Mahomes scrambled on a first down and slid while Texans defensive tackle Folorunso Fatukasi and linebacker Henry To'oTo'o collided with him, drawing an unnecessary roughness penalty. The Chiefs took advantage of the extra yards and capped the possession with a touchdown to put them up 20-12.

Martin explained in his pool report that "the onus is on the defender" to avoid contact once Mahomes went into a slide.

"So, he slid, obviously, and when he slides, he is considered defenseless," Martin said. "The onus is on the defender. I had forcible contact there to the hairline, to the helmet."

Fatukasi told ESPN he didn't remember the play for which he was flagged, and To'oTo'o said, "It is what it is."

When Houston coach DeMeco Ryans was asked about the controversial calls, he made a subtle remark. But Ryans acknowledged the "self-inflicted mistakes" sunk the Texans' chances of advancing to the AFC Championship Game for the first time in franchise history.

"We knew going into this game, man, it was us versus everybody. And when I say everybody, it's everybody," Ryans said. "Knowing that going into this game, what we were up against, we can't make the mistakes that we made. Whether it's special teams not converting our kicks. Defensively, not being where we're supposed to be in coverage. Offensively, not protecting our quarterback and keeping him clean. You married that on top of everything else that we have to deal with, it's just going to be a really tough uphill battle."

And the Texans made several mistakes. That is why even though Houston reached the divisional round for consecutive seasons, Ryans said he was "discouraged" about Saturday's outcome.

"This one hurts, because I know we're a better football team than what we showed today," Ryans said. "To go back and still have to talk about mistakes that we made in this moment, it's discouraging. Because we got to be over that at this point in the playoffs."

The Texans' special teams made critical miscues that kept them at a disadvantage for most of the contest. On the game's opening kickoff, Houston gave up a 63-yard return to Chiefs wideout Nikko Remigio, who fumbled when defensive back Kris Boyd tackled him before Kansas City running back Samaje Perine recovered the loose ball.

However, before the recovery, Boyd sprinted off in a celebratory fashion and threw off his helmet before reaching the sideline. He drew a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty that had the Chiefs' offense starting on Houston's 13-yard line. The defense didn't allow a touchdown, but Kansas City took advantage of the field position and nailed a field goal.

The Texans opened the second half with running back Joe Mixon scoring a touchdown. But kicker Ka'imi Fairbairn missed the extra point try that would have tied the score at 13. Fairbairn also missed a field goal attempt in the second quarter.

Beyond the special team blunders, the Texans failed to protect quarterback C.J. Stroud, who was pressured on a career-high 23 dropbacks and sacked eight times, tying a career high from Week 9 against the New York Jets.

Stroud's pressure rate of 56% is the second highest in an NFL playoff game since ESPN began tracking pressure in 2009, trailing only former Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow (63%) in 2011.

"In the playoffs, you have to win your one-on-ones," Ryans said. "That's what the game always comes down to. You have to man up and own your one-on-one. You have to have some pride in who you're blocking to get it done, to give the quarterback a chance to throw the football."

Stroud was able to use his legs to survive some of the pressure, as he rushed for 42 yards and converted on a couple of third downs.

"Just being a competitor, trying to put my team in positions to win," Stroud said. "There's times where I probably shouldn't have done that and just throw the ball away. So, it's a balance, and I think I tried my best to do that today, and I think I made a lot of plays in general today."

Still, whenever Kansas City blitzed, the Texans struggled to find answers. Stroud was blitzed on 10 of his 18 fourth-quarter dropbacks (56%), including a stretch of seven consecutive ones. Stroud was 3-of-8 for 41 yards with two sacks in the fourth quarter when blitzed.

The gaffes the Texans made were too much to overcome, as they became the first team to outgain their opponent by 100-plus yards (336-212) while not turning the ball over and lose a postseason game. Previous such teams were 49-0 in the playoffs, according to ESPN Research.

"Can't continue to shoot ourselves in the foot and then not overcome it and expect to win," Stroud said."
 

Dave Portnoy accuses NFL referees of 'cheating' as Chiefs benefit from controversial call in Texans playoff game​

By OLIVER SALT


Dave Portnoy has led the online fury over a controversial refereeing decision in favor of the Kansas City Chiefs on Saturday night.

The Chiefs beat the Houston Texans in the Divisional round of the NFL playoffs, with Patrick Mahomes aiming to lead his team to an unprecedented third straight Super Bowl this season.

And during their battle with the Texans, Mahomes benefited from an early roughing-the-passer call which sparked outrage on social media.



Midway through the first quarter at Arrowhead - where Travis Kelce's girlfriend Taylor Swift is watching on from the stands - Texans defender Will Anderson Jr was penalized for a tackle on the Kansas City quarterback a split-second after he released the ball.

Portnoy was one of many left furious with the decision to penalize Anderson, accusing NFL referees of 'cheating' at Arrowhead.

'The good news is the Texans are dominating and their defense is flying around. The bad news is the refs are cheating and they are losing,' the Barstool founder wrote on X.

A number of users agreed with Portnoy, including one who posted a clip of Anderson's tackle on Mahomes and said: 'THE #NFL IS SO RIGGED FOR THE #CHIEFS! A bulls*** roughing the passer penalty against the #Texans for a PICTURE PERFECT TACKLE against Precious Patrick #Mahomes.

'Ridiculous! The NFL is scripted and UNWATCHABLE!'


Another argued: 'When will the NFL learn that what they are doing for the Mahomes/Chiefs and what they did for [Tom] Brady/Patriots only infuriates football fans. No one wants to watch refs giving every call to a player or team. That's not football!'


'Apparently if you sneeze on Mahomes you get a penalty. Unreal,' a third commented sarcastically.

'You can find this 1,000 times with other quarterbacks this year wear it was not called. Only mahomes,' said another.

While one simply put: 'That's ridiculous.'

ESPN analyst Jason Kelce, whose brother Travis is playing for the Chiefs on Saturday night, also described the roughing-the-passer call as 'questionable'.


Portnoy was also left seething with another controversial decision in Mahomes' favor later in the game, which saw the Texans penalized for unnecessary roughness on Kansas City's star quarterback.





He posted a clip of the tackle which led to the call and wrote: 'THIS LEAGUE IS DISGUSTING!!!!'

Commentator Troy Aikman also said about the unnecessary roughness call: 'Oh, come on! I mean, he's a runner. I could not disagree with that one more. He barely gets hit.'


Another user also highlighted a 'hip drop tackle' from Chiefs safety Bryan Cook that went unpunished during the first quarter of Saturday's game while accusing referees of favoring the hosts.

'You're not gonna see a more clear "hip drop tackle" but of course no flag because it's the Kansas City Chiefs,' they wrote.

A second fan asked: 'So this textbook hip drop tackle on the Texans first possession wasn’t called but Will Anderson gets called for roughing for breathing on Mahomes?? Make it make sense'.

A third then concluded: 'The chiefs playoff favoritism is in full effect'.
 
I believe this officiating display is going to result in a big enough backlash to actively benefit the winner of the Ravens-Bills game next week with refs far more likely to keep flags in their pocket
Let’s be real. I’d love to say I’ll stop watching if this crap goes on again next week, but I won’t. And that would be the only thing that moves the needle.

Right now? The Chiefs advancing moves the needle.
That's the thing. That's why I respectfully disagree with people like Joe who think parity and another team winning the SB is the best thing for the NFL.

As someone in the NFL's position, you can only do what the numbers tell you. And the numbers say that people are not turning away, even in the situation we have with KC. People don't stop watching, they just start hate-watching hoping for the Chiefs to lose. There's nothing more powerful than a great villain to root against.

NFL is crushing viewership, and even still growing as far as I've seen. There's not one reason to change anything that's been happening.
Do you think the NFL is intentionally trying to help the Chiefs win by having the officials intentionally influence the outcome of the game?

I do. And I don't think it's anything new.

NFL is unique in that there is one game/week and a short enough regular season where there are critical games throughout. This means that the storylines are numerous enough that networks can pick and choose the best ones to build around every week. Scripting or influencing outcomes can only enhance these storylines, ratings, and grow viewership. Football is action-packed and the fans are very passionate. It is very easy to stoke those flames and why not stoke 'em in a way that works best for the product.

Dynasties are great for sports because if done correctly, they start out as the heroes that unseat the villain... but the honeymoon period won't last, and the heroes become the new villains and the cycle repeats. And the more the villains win the more the mob angers and looks for, and pulls for, the next hero.

And if this sounds familiar, it's the formula professional wrestling has employed for decades. Maybe the only broadcast to outdraw Monday Night Football in that time slot... so, YES... people love, and will watch scripted events with great passion, loyalty, and enthusiasm.



Thanks for the honesty. But I totally disagree.

I don't think there is any illegal interference from the league trying to unfairly influence an outcome. That's an incredibly serious allegation and one I don't agree with at all.

The primary reason is I don't think they're that stupid to risk billions and billions of dollars trying to fix a game.

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

And I think it's been that way for a long time. I'm a Steelers fan, and I still cannot come to grips with the Super Bowl vs Seattle. I watched that game at a party with a bunch of Steelers fans... felt like being at a wake.

I just think the NFL realized at some point that the real money and the best way to expand the audience was to proritize entertainment over fair play... so when possible... give the game a little nudge. That KCC vs HOU game was 100% in control by 5-6 critical calls (or non-calls). Were they just the worst refs ever to take the field, or were they just serving the company they work for?
Sadly, I think you are spot on.

I thought the refs were trying to steer last nights game towards Detroit, but Goff was so bad and Daniels so good that the outcome couldn't be changed. Two flags from that game stood out:

-Detroit was reeling a bit and there was a 3rd and about 8 play. Lions completed the pass for the first down anyway, but there was also a flag for defensive holding on the Commanders. They showed the penalty on replay and there was no penalty. Total clean play by the DB. But it was almost like the refs were making sure Detroit got the first down regardless of the play.

-The flag for the facemask on 3rd and 4 when the Lions got stuffed. I could see on the live play that the defender had the shoulder pad and not the facemask, but apparently no officials standing right next to the play could. Would have been 4th and 4 and even Man Campbell probably wouldn't have gone for it that deep in their own territory. Instead, first down and the Lions score a TD.

As much as I love watching football, it's getting harder to stomach. Add in the fact that players like Mahomes and Allen, who I used to love to watch play are becoming insufferable with the whining and flopping. Last night, Daniels took a really hard hit when he was clearly out of bounds. Jumps right back up and doesn't say a word. Was really refreshing to see.
 
I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.
 

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