**AFC Divisional Round - Texans at Chiefs**(-8.5, 42) 4:30 on ABC (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Now with that said, nothing is impossible and no game can be completely protected.

If a game were going to be fixed, it would be a rogue thing where a bad actor or actors did something. A low earning kicker or holder or something like that.

But again, it's the same pro vs con weighed out decision. It would have be something where the payoff was so monstrous that it offset the downside of losing your job and going to jail.

That of course could happen. But I think it's rare.

I think if games were to be fixed, you'd focus on something WAY out of the spotlight. Not literally the most popular and scrutinized sport in the US.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

I think they're wrong. As I said, losers have whined about the officials forever.

 

[JohnnyU]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

I think they're wrong. As I said, losers have whined about the officials forever.

So, your eyes told you those weren't bad calls? ALL OF THEM. If that's true, then there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject. You don't think #74 false starts repeatedly? Or at the very least lines up too far off the line giving him an advantage? The latter was called on Baltimore multiple times. That alone is a penalty on KC that doesn't get called. So Taylor is doing two things to get penalized. He's lining up too far from the LOS and he leaves early on the snap count. While he is the 4th most penalized player, he should be the #1 most penalized player. It is my belief that KC is counting on the refs not calling this all the time and at the end of the day it is to their advantage. If he didn't play for the Chiefs he would be out of the league.

 

[Dizzy]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

I think we're are looking at it from two different angles. You look at it as cheating, I look at it as a company trying to maximize the commercial value of its product.

As far as the gambling side, you can almost bet on anything. You can bet on the Oscars and those results are fixed (just not revealed).

As far as repercussions... the NBA survived a major point shaving scheme and there is a documentary and a movie made about it. Once revealed, people simply said "I knew it" and moved on. NBA is bigger than ever.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Great game.

Houston fought hard and gave them all they wanted. Kansas City was the better team and deserved to win.

What are your thoughts/opinions on the reffing situation concerning KC games, Joe?

This has been as big a topic of discussion as the games themselves for multiple years now.

I think it's mostly a conspiracy. I laugh about it a lot on Random Shots and have fun with it.

I think the league would vastly prefer another team to win the Super Bowl. It's better for their business. So I put little stock in it.

Could be fun to account for the volume of suspect calls for the Chiefs and for other teams. Then it's a quantifiable thing vs. a conspiracy.

It's not just one player either. Yes, Mahomes gets the Jordan treatment and it's possible we see some of that tomorrow with Lamar and Josh too. But it's the whole team. Holding on another team is allowed by the officials for the Chiefs in the same game and in the same scenario. Reid was offsides on an early Texans field goal attempt, no flag. It's not just Mahomes that people are pointing to and have a problem with.

Edit : Another example : https://x.com/packers_access/status/1880733097786007829

Not to mention #74 lining up illegally and starting his pass pro early every time. It's not like you can't see Taylor, he's 6'5", and 330 lbs! LOL

This is the one that's annoying to me. Sure, Mahomes gets a lot of soft calls, but I just see that the Jordan rule. I don't like it, but it's NBD and my team benefits from this too.

But people have been complaining about Taylor all season. It's blatant, and it's right there on film for everyone to see, and the league just absolutely doesn't care. At some point "The league wants the Chiefs to win and will bend the rules to make that happen" is the most logical explanation for what we're seeing.

 

[efactor]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

But the consistency of the bad calls benefiting the same teams is becoming hard to ignore. Close games are being impacted by these calls and swinging the outcome. The disparity in penalties is pretty consistent and hard for me to believe that certain teams are that more disciplined or well coached to justify the disparity.

You used to see the losing teams fans calling out the officiating. Now you see fans with no real interest in who wins and loses calling it out. Other than my favorite team and my one hated team, I usually don't have a vested interest in the playoff games because I don't bet on games any longer, but I just shake my head in disgust at what I see going when certain teams play.

The argument that the games are too big to rig may be true, but I agree with Dizzy that a thumb can definitely be put on the scale. In a close game, that's all that's needed.

 

[Dizzy]

Great game.

Houston fought hard and gave them all they wanted. Kansas City was the better team and deserved to win.

What are your thoughts/opinions on the reffing situation concerning KC games, Joe?

This has been as big a topic of discussion as the games themselves for multiple years now.

I think it's mostly a conspiracy. I laugh about it a lot on Random Shots and have fun with it.

I think the league would vastly prefer another team to win the Super Bowl. It's better for their business. So I put little stock in it.

Could be fun to account for the volume of suspect calls for the Chiefs and for other teams. Then it's a quantifiable thing vs. a conspiracy.

It's not just one player either. Yes, Mahomes gets the Jordan treatment and it's possible we see some of that tomorrow with Lamar and Josh too. But it's the whole team. Holding on another team is allowed by the officials for the Chiefs in the same game and in the same scenario. Reid was offsides on an early Texans field goal attempt, no flag. It's not just Mahomes that people are pointing to and have a problem with.

Edit : Another example : https://x.com/packers_access/status/1880733097786007829

Not to mention #74 lining up illegally and starting his pass pro early every time. It's not like you can't see Taylor, he's 6'5", and 330 lbs! LOL

This is the one that's annoying to me. Sure, Mahomes gets a lot of soft calls, but I just see that the Jordan rule. I don't like it, but it's NBD and my team benefits from this too.

But people have been complaining about Taylor all season. It's blatant, and it's right there on film for everyone to see, and the league just absolutely doesn't care. At some point "The league wants the Chiefs to win and will bend the rules to make that happen" is the most logical explanation for what we're seeing.

Fully agree and again, go back to the storylines driving interest, ratings, ad revenue, etc...

If KCC advances you've got - State Farm all stars, Taylor Swift, the Three-peat, the Juggernaut villain, etc. If HOU advances you get what? A blubbering QB that thinks all is in God's hands. What else? Crickets.

 

[crushedspirit]

So when Lane Johnson was doing the same last year in Phi all season, why did the refs let it go? He doesn't play for KC.

Some of you have fallen into a rabbit hole without even knowing you're there when it comes to officiating conspiracies. These guys make bad calls weekly in just about every game. One could make a case that some officials might have a slight bias towards calls vs superstars, but I have news for you, it happens in every league and every sport I know. Stars like Ronaldo and Messi got favorable calls for years in European football, as well as others mentioned including Jordan in the NBA. I used to watch Gretzky year after year draw penalties like no other in the NHL. It's part of sports, but to think the league sends memos or has zoom calls instructing refs what to do is a tad over the top. It would be exposed in this day and age without hesitation.

 

[Grahamburn]

I don’t think the NFL instructs these guys specifically to help the Chiefs. There are inherent biases and seemingly preferential treatment for the “stars” though. The benefit of the doubt if you will. If it’s close on a guy like Mahomes it’s a flag every single time.

I witnessed it first hand as Tampa transitioned from Jameis to Brady. Jameis would get annihilated after throwing the ball with no flags. There was no protection for him. Brady? He drew flags when he was sacked. Won a game against Atlanta because of it. The difference was incredible. Now from Brady to Baker.. Mayfield gets creamed on slides. Rolled up on his legs in the pocket. Hit in the face or head. No flags.

Now, with replay assist, they could have radioed in on both those flags and said, “pick it up, that’s not a foul.” But, they don’t… Ask yourself why they don’t correct it..

Now Mahomes is pulling up early to take hits and then flopping to draw penalties.

It’s a bad look. They need to fix it.

 

[JohnnyU]

So when Lane Johnson was doing the same last year in Phi all season, why did the refs let it go? He doesn't play for KC.

Some of you have fallen into a rabbit hole without even knowing you're there when it comes to officiating conspiracies. These guys make bad calls weekly in just about every game. One could make a case that some officials might have a slight bias towards calls vs superstars, but I have news for you, it happens in every league and every sport I know. Stars like Ronaldo and Messi got favorable calls for years in European football, as well as others mentioned including Jordan in the NBA. I used to watch Gretzky year after year draw penalties like no other in the NHL. It's part of sports, but to think the league sends memos or has zoom calls instructing refs what to do is a tad over the top. It would be exposed in this day and age without hesitation.

Nice deflection.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So when Lane Johnson was doing the same last year in Phi all season, why did the refs let it go? He doesn't play for KC.

Some of you have fallen into a rabbit hole without even knowing you're there when it comes to officiating conspiracies. These guys make bad calls weekly in just about every game. One could make a case that some officials might have a slight bias towards calls vs superstars, but I have news for you, it happens in every league and every sport I know. Stars like Ronaldo and Messi got favorable calls for years in European football, as well as others mentioned including Jordan in the NBA. I used to watch Gretzky year after year draw penalties like no other in the NHL. It's part of sports, but to think the league sends memos or has zoom calls instructing refs what to do is a tad over the top. It would be exposed in this day and age without hesitation.

Human beings coordinate their behavior tacitly all the time. We're extremely good at that. No memos or zoom calls are needed.

 

[crushedspirit]

So when Lane Johnson was doing the same last year in Phi all season, why did the refs let it go? He doesn't play for KC.

Some of you have fallen into a rabbit hole without even knowing you're there when it comes to officiating conspiracies. These guys make bad calls weekly in just about every game. One could make a case that some officials might have a slight bias towards calls vs superstars, but I have news for you, it happens in every league and every sport I know. Stars like Ronaldo and Messi got favorable calls for years in European football, as well as others mentioned including Jordan in the NBA. I used to watch Gretzky year after year draw penalties like no other in the NHL. It's part of sports, but to think the league sends memos or has zoom calls instructing refs what to do is a tad over the top. It would be exposed in this day and age without hesitation.

Nice deflection.

It's an opinion. You don't have to agree with it.

 

[crushedspirit]

I don’t think the NFL instructs these guys specifically to help the Chiefs. There are inherent biases and seemingly preferential treatment for the “stars” though. The benefit of the doubt if you will. If it’s close on a guy like Mahomes it’s a flag every single time.

I witnessed it first hand as Tampa transitioned from Jameis to Brady. Jameis would get annihilated after throwing the ball with no flags. There was no protection for him. Brady? He drew flags when he was sacked. Won a game against Atlanta because of it. The difference was incredible. Now from Brady to Baker.. Mayfield gets creamed on slides. Rolled up on his legs in the pocket. Hit in the face or head. No flags.

Now, with replay assist, they could have radioed in on both those flags and said, “pick it up, that’s not a foul.” But, they don’t… Ask yourself why they don’t correct it..

Now Mahomes is pulling up early to take hits and then flopping to draw penalties.

It’s a bad look. They need to fix it.

That is the point of it. Stars do get the benefit of the doubt in all major sports more often than not. I also agree guys like Mahomes and Josh need to stop with the flopping. It's a bad look for sure and maybe a 15 yarder could be introduced based upon replay assist determining acting involved. I also have seen it several times with lineman or someone else drawing a roughing call after the whistle by falling down as if they were actually shoved violently.

I just do not agree with league wide conspiracy theories.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don’t think the NFL instructs these guys specifically to help the Chiefs. There are inherent biases and seemingly preferential treatment for the “stars” though. The benefit of the doubt if you will. If it’s close on a guy like Mahomes it’s a flag every single time.

I witnessed it first hand as Tampa transitioned from Jameis to Brady. Jameis would get annihilated after throwing the ball with no flags. There was no protection for him. Brady? He drew flags when he was sacked. Won a game against Atlanta because of it. The difference was incredible. Now from Brady to Baker.. Mayfield gets creamed on slides. Rolled up on his legs in the pocket. Hit in the face or head. No flags.

Now, with replay assist, they could have radioed in on both those flags and said, “pick it up, that’s not a foul.” But, they don’t… Ask yourself why they don’t correct it..

Now Mahomes is pulling up early to take hits and then flopping to draw penalties.

It’s a bad look. They need to fix it.

That is the point of it. Stars do get the benefit of the doubt in all major sports more often than not. I also agree guys like Mahomes and Josh need to stop with the flopping. It's a bad look for sure and maybe a 15 yarder could be introduced based upon replay assist determining acting involved. I also have seen it several times with lineman or someone else drawing a roughing call after the whistle by falling down as if they were actually shoved violently.

I just do not agree with league wide conspiracy theories.

Consipiracy or not, this cheapens what's at hand here. There is obvious favoritism towards the Chiefs. How we got here is up for discussion beyond a conspiracy theory. This is not something made up, it's real every week. Tell me something, why is everyone avioidiing #74? He's obviously committing one of two penalties on every passing play. He's either jumping too early, or he's lined up too far off the LOS. They called that on Baltiimore multiple times. Why isn't it called on every passing play if it's being committed on every passing play?

 

[crushedspirit]

Same reason why Lane Johnson was rarely called for it. I think the NFL gives leeway and a few tackles take advantage more than others.

Chiefs' Jawaan Taylor Merely Exploiting 'Loophole,' Offensive Line Expert Says

Chiefs offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor is one of many elite linemen exploiting a loophole in the rules, which gives him an edge.

fanbuzz.com

"It's not a penalty if he's in the two-point stance," Baldinger told FanBuzz. "Andrew Thomas does it. So does Lane Johnson. They're only playing by the rules."

"The reason [false starts] are not being called is because they're not false starts. I think it's important to understand the rules. And to understand that within the rules, there are loopholes. Within those loopholes, you can start to build out techniques and strategies to take advantage of those," offensive line coach and founder of OL Masterminds Duke Manyweather tweeted.

"As you look at the rules, it talks about offensive player in a two-point stance and he has an ability to adjust. One of the things, from talking to referees, you are allowed to adjust your back-foot. The biggest thing they don't want to see, is the trunk rock forward, or the front-foot shift in the stance. So, the back-foot, you can move it, Lane does this a lot, Laremy Tunsil, a lot of your top tackles move their back-foot.

"This is kind of giving a way a trade-secret, but, you find your back-foot, you find a rhythm with that back-foot, as far as adjusting, and then you just adjust it, you adjust it, and it becomes a snap-timer," Manyweather said.

Whether it is announcers, reporters or fans, Manyweather believes that people need to change their perspective when it comes to watching and evaluating offensive tackle play.

"Just because you think you're seeing something," Manyweather said. "That it is fact. The rules are the facts. The tape are the facts. These guys aren't starting early."

So it does appear they found a loophole. I do think the NFL should look at it for next season, but in a league that is trying harder every season to protect QBs, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to let it go.

 

[Rubi]

Yes,The NFL,which is all about revenue,is conspiring to make sure the 34th ranked sports television market,Kansas City
Wins every year
Instead of the top three markets,New York,L.A. and Chicago
If there's a conspiracy it's to keep this argument going every year so there's more air time for the league
Maybe it's more about inconsistent officiating by part time officials

 

[Dizzy]

So, we just chalk up yesterday's game as the worst officiating performance in NFL history? "It happens"... that's it?
1) Roughing the passer on Mahomes.
2) KCC a yard offsides on the missed FG
3) Unnecessary roughness on the Mahomes scramble/squat.
4) The blatant mugging/holding in open space on the Mahomes scramble for a 1st down.

And there were more, and we all saw it, and we've all been seeing it.

Any of these affect the outcome? Yeah... just a little <sarcasm>

 

[JohnnyU]

Mahomes is 7-0 in the playoffs every time Martin is officiating.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Same reason why Lane Johnson was rarely called for it. I think the NFL gives leeway and a few tackles take advantage more than others.

Chiefs' Jawaan Taylor Merely Exploiting 'Loophole,' Offensive Line Expert Says

Chiefs offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor is one of many elite linemen exploiting a loophole in the rules, which gives him an edge.

fanbuzz.com

"It's not a penalty if he's in the two-point stance," Baldinger told FanBuzz. "Andrew Thomas does it. So does Lane Johnson. They're only playing by the rules."

"The reason [false starts] are not being called is because they're not false starts. I think it's important to understand the rules. And to understand that within the rules, there are loopholes. Within those loopholes, you can start to build out techniques and strategies to take advantage of those," offensive line coach and founder of OL Masterminds Duke Manyweather tweeted.

"As you look at the rules, it talks about offensive player in a two-point stance and he has an ability to adjust. One of the things, from talking to referees, you are allowed to adjust your back-foot. The biggest thing they don't want to see, is the trunk rock forward, or the front-foot shift in the stance. So, the back-foot, you can move it, Lane does this a lot, Laremy Tunsil, a lot of your top tackles move their back-foot.

"This is kind of giving a way a trade-secret, but, you find your back-foot, you find a rhythm with that back-foot, as far as adjusting, and then you just adjust it, you adjust it, and it becomes a snap-timer," Manyweather said.

Whether it is announcers, reporters or fans, Manyweather believes that people need to change their perspective when it comes to watching and evaluating offensive tackle play.

"Just because you think you're seeing something," Manyweather said. "That it is fact. The rules are the facts. The tape are the facts. These guys aren't starting early."

So it does appear they found a loophole. I do think the NFL should look at it for next season, but in a league that is trying harder every season to protect QBs, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to let it go.

If accurate, the real question is why doesn’t every team do this?

Is it like the tush push, where it simply isn’t as easy for every OT to execute this move as we think it is?

I don’t know the answer, but a) if it’s legal, and b) if it really confers an advantage to the offense…..then why isn’t every team doing it?

Honest question.

 

[Rubi]

Mahomes is 7-0 in the playoffs every time Martin is officiating.

He's 16-3 in his career in the playoffs

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

I think they're wrong. As I said, losers have whined about the officials forever.

So, your eyes told you those weren't bad calls? ALL OF THEM. If that's true, then there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject. You don't think #74 false starts repeatedly? Or at the very least lines up too far off the line giving him an advantage? The latter was called on Baltimore multiple times. That alone is a penalty on KC that doesn't get called. So Taylor is doing two things to get penalized. He's lining up too far from the LOS and he leaves early on the snap count. While he is the 4th most penalized player, he should be the #1 most penalized player. It is my belief that KC is counting on the refs not calling this all the time and at the end of the day it is to their advantage. If he didn't play for the Chiefs he would be out of the league.

I would ask Joe the question differently. Everyone in America sees how biased the calls are in favor of Mahomes.

So Joe — what is your theory on what is happening with the multi-year consistency of bad calls?

 

[JohnnyU]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

I think they're wrong. As I said, losers have whined about the officials forever.

So, your eyes told you those weren't bad calls? ALL OF THEM. If that's true, then there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject. You don't think #74 false starts repeatedly? Or at the very least lines up too far off the line giving him an advantage? The latter was called on Baltimore multiple times. That alone is a penalty on KC that doesn't get called. So Taylor is doing two things to get penalized. He's lining up too far from the LOS and he leaves early on the snap count. While he is the 4th most penalized player, he should be the #1 most penalized player. It is my belief that KC is counting on the refs not calling this all the time and at the end of the day it is to their advantage. If he didn't play for the Chiefs he would be out of the league.

I would ask Joe the question differently. Everyone in America sees how biased the calls are in favor of Mahomes.

So Joe — what is your theory on what is happening with the multi-year consistency of bad calls?

Yeah, OK, that then.

 

[GregR]

Same reason why Lane Johnson was rarely called for it. I think the NFL gives leeway and a few tackles take advantage more than others.

Chiefs' Jawaan Taylor Merely Exploiting 'Loophole,' Offensive Line Expert Says

Chiefs offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor is one of many elite linemen exploiting a loophole in the rules, which gives him an edge.

fanbuzz.com

"It's not a penalty if he's in the two-point stance," Baldinger told FanBuzz. "Andrew Thomas does it. So does Lane Johnson. They're only playing by the rules."

"The reason [false starts] are not being called is because they're not false starts. I think it's important to understand the rules. And to understand that within the rules, there are loopholes. Within those loopholes, you can start to build out techniques and strategies to take advantage of those," offensive line coach and founder of OL Masterminds Duke Manyweather tweeted.

"As you look at the rules, it talks about offensive player in a two-point stance and he has an ability to adjust. One of the things, from talking to referees, you are allowed to adjust your back-foot. The biggest thing they don't want to see, is the trunk rock forward, or the front-foot shift in the stance. So, the back-foot, you can move it, Lane does this a lot, Laremy Tunsil, a lot of your top tackles move their back-foot.

"This is kind of giving a way a trade-secret, but, you find your back-foot, you find a rhythm with that back-foot, as far as adjusting, and then you just adjust it, you adjust it, and it becomes a snap-timer," Manyweather said.

Whether it is announcers, reporters or fans, Manyweather believes that people need to change their perspective when it comes to watching and evaluating offensive tackle play.

"Just because you think you're seeing something," Manyweather said. "That it is fact. The rules are the facts. The tape are the facts. These guys aren't starting early."

So it does appear they found a loophole. I do think the NFL should look at it for next season, but in a league that is trying harder every season to protect QBs, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to let it go.

The article mentions Laremy Tunsil doing it.

Yes, he did do it. And they began flagging him for it repeatedly which is the point he became one of the most flagged players in the NFL. So it's a falsehood they can't or won't throw the flag for it.

I'd also note this isn't a difficult loophole to close apart from that. If you watch that video and pause it right at the snap, he's already backed away from being on the line, making it an illegal formation penalty.

 

[JohnnyU]

Same reason why Lane Johnson was rarely called for it. I think the NFL gives leeway and a few tackles take advantage more than others.

Chiefs' Jawaan Taylor Merely Exploiting 'Loophole,' Offensive Line Expert Says

Chiefs offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor is one of many elite linemen exploiting a loophole in the rules, which gives him an edge.

fanbuzz.com

"It's not a penalty if he's in the two-point stance," Baldinger told FanBuzz. "Andrew Thomas does it. So does Lane Johnson. They're only playing by the rules."

"The reason [false starts] are not being called is because they're not false starts. I think it's important to understand the rules. And to understand that within the rules, there are loopholes. Within those loopholes, you can start to build out techniques and strategies to take advantage of those," offensive line coach and founder of OL Masterminds Duke Manyweather tweeted.

"As you look at the rules, it talks about offensive player in a two-point stance and he has an ability to adjust. One of the things, from talking to referees, you are allowed to adjust your back-foot. The biggest thing they don't want to see, is the trunk rock forward, or the front-foot shift in the stance. So, the back-foot, you can move it, Lane does this a lot, Laremy Tunsil, a lot of your top tackles move their back-foot.

"This is kind of giving a way a trade-secret, but, you find your back-foot, you find a rhythm with that back-foot, as far as adjusting, and then you just adjust it, you adjust it, and it becomes a snap-timer," Manyweather said.

Whether it is announcers, reporters or fans, Manyweather believes that people need to change their perspective when it comes to watching and evaluating offensive tackle play.

"Just because you think you're seeing something," Manyweather said. "That it is fact. The rules are the facts. The tape are the facts. These guys aren't starting early."

So it does appear they found a loophole. I do think the NFL should look at it for next season, but in a league that is trying harder every season to protect QBs, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to let it go.

The article mentions Laremy Tunsil doing it.

Yes, he did do it. And they began flagging him for it repeatedly which is the point he became one of the most flagged players in the NFL. So it's a falsehood they can't or won't throw the flag for it.

I'd also note this isn't a difficult loophole to close apart from that. If you watch that video and pause it right at the snap, he's already backed away from being on the line, making it an illegal formation penalty.

Hell, when he isn't jumping too early, he's already lined up illegally off the LOS. There is no disputing this. Weren't they calliing this on the Ravens repeatedly? All the refs have to do to stop it is call it 4 or 5 tiimes in a row and he will have to adjust. Will they? Of course not, it's the Chiefs, not the Ravens.

 

[crushedspirit]

Same reason why Lane Johnson was rarely called for it. I think the NFL gives leeway and a few tackles take advantage more than others.

Chiefs' Jawaan Taylor Merely Exploiting 'Loophole,' Offensive Line Expert Says

Chiefs offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor is one of many elite linemen exploiting a loophole in the rules, which gives him an edge.

fanbuzz.com

"It's not a penalty if he's in the two-point stance," Baldinger told FanBuzz. "Andrew Thomas does it. So does Lane Johnson. They're only playing by the rules."

"The reason [false starts] are not being called is because they're not false starts. I think it's important to understand the rules. And to understand that within the rules, there are loopholes. Within those loopholes, you can start to build out techniques and strategies to take advantage of those," offensive line coach and founder of OL Masterminds Duke Manyweather tweeted.

"As you look at the rules, it talks about offensive player in a two-point stance and he has an ability to adjust. One of the things, from talking to referees, you are allowed to adjust your back-foot. The biggest thing they don't want to see, is the trunk rock forward, or the front-foot shift in the stance. So, the back-foot, you can move it, Lane does this a lot, Laremy Tunsil, a lot of your top tackles move their back-foot.

"This is kind of giving a way a trade-secret, but, you find your back-foot, you find a rhythm with that back-foot, as far as adjusting, and then you just adjust it, you adjust it, and it becomes a snap-timer," Manyweather said.

Whether it is announcers, reporters or fans, Manyweather believes that people need to change their perspective when it comes to watching and evaluating offensive tackle play.

"Just because you think you're seeing something," Manyweather said. "That it is fact. The rules are the facts. The tape are the facts. These guys aren't starting early."

So it does appear they found a loophole. I do think the NFL should look at it for next season, but in a league that is trying harder every season to protect QBs, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to let it go.

If accurate, the real question is why doesn’t every team do this?

Is it like the tush push, where it simply isn’t as easy for every OT to execute this move as we think it is?

I don’t know the answer, but a) if it’s legal, and b) if it really confers an advantage to the offense…..then why isn’t every team doing it?

Honest question.

That's up to the coaches and players. It's been going on for years, but highlighted now due to Taylor playing on a certain team fans love to hate.

 

[crushedspirit]

If people want to remember Whitworth used to get away with it years ago as well.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I already know the answer to this, but I have to ask: Why are they letting #74 on the Chiefs set-up so far back off the line of scrimmage? I thought his helmet had to be on a line with the center's belt?

Rules don't apply to Taylor. They never have, he's been allowed to false start going back to Jacksonville

he was the most penalized player in the league last year.....haven't checked but probably up towards the top again this year.....

 

[crushedspirit]

I already know the answer to this, but I have to ask: Why are they letting #74 on the Chiefs set-up so far back off the line of scrimmage? I thought his helmet had to be on a line with the center's belt?

Rules don't apply to Taylor. They never have, he's been allowed to false start going back to Jacksonville

he was the most penalized player in the league last year.....haven't checked but probably up towards the top again this year.....

He had 19 in 2023 to lead all NFL linemen by a mile, next worse was 12. This year it was lower at 9, good for 13th. The worst had 14 penalties.

 

[travdogg]

I already know the answer to this, but I have to ask: Why are they letting #74 on the Chiefs set-up so far back off the line of scrimmage? I thought his helmet had to be on a line with the center's belt?

Rules don't apply to Taylor. They never have, he's been allowed to false start going back to Jacksonville

he was the most penalized player in the league last year.....haven't checked but probably up towards the top again this year.....

And he should be penalized at least twice as often as he is. He gets away with stuff more than any player in the league, which is doubly weird because he sucks, so its not like its even a superstar getting away with stuff, its a legit bad player getting calls. I can at least say its not a KC thing, its existed since he was in Jacksonville too.

He's 2nd behind Laremy Tunsil in penalties this season.

 

[travdogg]

I already know the answer to this, but I have to ask: Why are they letting #74 on the Chiefs set-up so far back off the line of scrimmage? I thought his helmet had to be on a line with the center's belt?

Rules don't apply to Taylor. They never have, he's been allowed to false start going back to Jacksonville

he was the most penalized player in the league last year.....haven't checked but probably up towards the top again this year.....

He had 19 in 2023 to lead all NFL linemen by a mile, next worse was 12. This year it was lower at 9, good for 13th. The worst had 14 penalties.

I have very different counts that that. I'm looking on PFF, so its possible (likely) that their system also counts penalties that weren't accepted. But they had Taylor with 18 this season (tied for 2nd with Tyler Guyton) and 24 last season, 6 ahead of 2nd place Mehki Becton.

 

[crushedspirit]

Pro football database has him at 14, which is 2nd.

nflpenalties has him at him at 15, still 2nd.

Pro football reference has it lower, and appears wrong,

all databases have him at 19 or 20 for last year

 

[heckmanm]

I already know the answer to this, but I have to ask: Why are they letting #74 on the Chiefs set-up so far back off the line of scrimmage? I thought his helmet had to be on a line with the center's belt?

Rules don't apply to Taylor. They never have, he's been allowed to false start going back to Jacksonville

he was the most penalized player in the league last year.....haven't checked but probably up towards the top again this year.....

Just checked - T-2 with 14. Tunsil had 17.

 

[The Duff Man]

The number of penalties is not relevant. It is the number of penalties called versus number of fouls that matter.

As pointed out, the league made a very obvious point in the season opener that they will keep calling a penalty until you correct the situation…..against the Ravens.

So they have the ability to correct the situation but choose not to. This is the easiest way to subtly manipulate the game.


There are many others. For example, if a team is well known for DB holding, playing against a team with discipline on this topic, they tell the refs, “we want to let them play, so keep pass interference to a minimum this game”

It isn’t a direct fix, it is an easy way to tip the scales for one team that is subtle and defendable.

As for the argument that there is too much to lose? People with power do illegal things with the belief they can get away with it (often do)

All….the….time

 

[crushedspirit]

Pro football reference count is much lower for all players as they only count holding and false starts, and not any that are declined.

So 35 penalties in the past two seasons which leads everyone. Tunsil is next up at 28 and Stanley at 25.

 

[JohnnyU]

Pro football reference count is much lower for all players as they only count holding and false starts, and not any that are declined.

So 35 penalties in the past two seasons which leads everyone. Tunsil is next up at 28 and Stanley at 25.

If he commits 100, call 100. He seems to be playing with the mentality they can only call so many.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

I think they're wrong. As I said, losers have whined about the officials forever.

So, your eyes told you those weren't bad calls? ALL OF THEM. If that's true, then there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject. You don't think #74 false starts repeatedly? Or at the very least lines up too far off the line giving him an advantage? The latter was called on Baltimore multiple times. That alone is a penalty on KC that doesn't get called. So Taylor is doing two things to get penalized. He's lining up too far from the LOS and he leaves early on the snap count. While he is the 4th most penalized player, he should be the #1 most penalized player. It is my belief that KC is counting on the refs not calling this all the time and at the end of the day it is to their advantage. If he didn't play for the Chiefs he would be out of the league.

Of course there were bad calls.

I don't think they were intentionally bad calls.

Officiating at this level is unbelievably difficult. The speed at which these players move is shocking. I'm honestly surprised they do as well as they do officiating the game.

 

[crushedspirit]

Articles citing former players and coaches explaining how there's a loophole in the rules to be taken advantage of is not good enough.

Other players from other teams have gotten away with it seasons past is not good enough.

Him being the highest penalized player last two seasons when some claim he gets away with it all the time is not good enough.

So if one has drawn conclusions no matter what, then what more is there to say?

 

[JohnnyU]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

I think they're wrong. As I said, losers have whined about the officials forever.

So, your eyes told you those weren't bad calls? ALL OF THEM. If that's true, then there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject. You don't think #74 false starts repeatedly? Or at the very least lines up too far off the line giving him an advantage? The latter was called on Baltimore multiple times. That alone is a penalty on KC that doesn't get called. So Taylor is doing two things to get penalized. He's lining up too far from the LOS and he leaves early on the snap count. While he is the 4th most penalized player, he should be the #1 most penalized player. It is my belief that KC is counting on the refs not calling this all the time and at the end of the day it is to their advantage. If he didn't play for the Chiefs he would be out of the league.

Of course there were bad calls.

I don't think they were intentionally bad calls.

Officiating at this level is unbelievably difficult. The speed at which these players move is shocking. I'm honestly surprised they do as well as they do officiating the game.

At some point if lt looks like a duck and smells like a duck, then by God it's damn duck.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think we're are looking at it from two different angles. You look at it as cheating, I look at it as a company trying to maximize the commercial value of its product.

But from the promise of what the game is, there's only one way to look at it.

The integrity of the game comes first. Always has.

It's not popular with some, but it's why there's zero tolerance for NFL employees gambling.

They (rightly so) put integrity at the very top priority.

If they undermine that with company sanctioned cheating to maximize the commercial value of the product, that would be catastrophic.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

I think they're wrong. As I said, losers have whined about the officials forever.

So, your eyes told you those weren't bad calls? ALL OF THEM. If that's true, then there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject. You don't think #74 false starts repeatedly? Or at the very least lines up too far off the line giving him an advantage? The latter was called on Baltimore multiple times. That alone is a penalty on KC that doesn't get called. So Taylor is doing two things to get penalized. He's lining up too far from the LOS and he leaves early on the snap count. While he is the 4th most penalized player, he should be the #1 most penalized player. It is my belief that KC is counting on the refs not calling this all the time and at the end of the day it is to their advantage. If he didn't play for the Chiefs he would be out of the league.

Of course there were bad calls.

I don't think they were intentionally bad calls.

Officiating at this level is unbelievably difficult. The speed at which these players move is shocking. I'm honestly surprised they do as well as they do officiating the game.

At some point if lt looks like a duck and smells like a duck, then by God it's damn duck.

I'm not sure if you're serious and want to make sure I understand you. Are you seriously saying the officials have instruction from the NFL to help the Chiefs win a specific game?

 

[JohnnyU]

I only think the NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars because they started scripting outcomes. Not every game mind you, but the ones that secure storylines and produce the most interest... yeah, why wouldn't they.

That's exactly the right question to ask.

And the answer for me is the same as I weigh most questions: How does the upside compare to the downside?

In this case, the upside of cheating to get the outcomes you want is negligible compared to the nuclear fallout that would happen if they were to be found cheating.

Now with sports book betting legal, it's more imperative than ever to have a product with integrity. But it's been that way for many years. Since Shoeless Joe Jackson almost put major league baseball out of business.

Sure, Kansas City vs Detroit in a Super Bowl might have the most attention and drama of any matchup.

But it would be at best maybe 1% more interesting than Buffalo and Philadelphia. If that.

And the downside of risking the entire enterprise for a slightly better matchup just isn't feasible in my opinion.

Losing teams have complained about the fix being in for as long as teams have kept score.

Then please do your best to answer my quesiton in post #695. What are your thoughts on what Will Anderson said in post #697? What are your thoughts on the phantom roughing the passer calls in this game? What about the phantom PI on Schultz?

I think they're wrong. As I said, losers have whined about the officials forever.

So, your eyes told you those weren't bad calls? ALL OF THEM. If that's true, then there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject. You don't think #74 false starts repeatedly? Or at the very least lines up too far off the line giving him an advantage? The latter was called on Baltimore multiple times. That alone is a penalty on KC that doesn't get called. So Taylor is doing two things to get penalized. He's lining up too far from the LOS and he leaves early on the snap count. While he is the 4th most penalized player, he should be the #1 most penalized player. It is my belief that KC is counting on the refs not calling this all the time and at the end of the day it is to their advantage. If he didn't play for the Chiefs he would be out of the league.

Of course there were bad calls.

I don't think they were intentionally bad calls.

Officiating at this level is unbelievably difficult. The speed at which these players move is shocking. I'm honestly surprised they do as well as they do officiating the game.

At some point if lt looks like a duck and smells like a duck, then by God it's damn duck.

I'm not sure if you're serious. Are you seriously saying the officials have instruction from the NFL to help the Chiefs win a specific game?

I think if you go back and read my posts I simply said, and I parasphrase, if not a conspiracy, why is it happening every week? Why is #74 allowed to commit a penality on every passing play? Either by lining up too far away from the LOS, or jumping early. If these things are happening every week, you can't play the NFL is difficult to judge card.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

the league employs around 120 officials give or take....how exactly does the league pass it down to the officials that "we want the Chiefs to win"....meeting in a dark alley.....super secret confidential yellow envelopes....burner phones....

this has been going on for years now right...?.....and not once has anybody come out and said something.....hasn't been leaked....ever...

people don't want to answer this question because there is no answer....and there is no answer because it just simply isn't happening......it's just whining and crying and loser mentality...

on NFL Gameday this morning....they showed and explained both "controversial calls" against Mahomes.....as much as many of you don't want to admit it.....there was contact to the head by the defense on both plays.....did the two HOU defenders hit each other.....they sure did....but there was also contact to the head of Mahomes on that play and on the other one....there just was....period....if you want to argue "marginal" or "forcible" or whatever fine....but bottom line there was contact to the head and it's up to the defense to avoid that....

 

[JohnnyU]

the league employs around 120 officials give or take....how exactly does the league pass it down to the officials that "we want the Chiefs to win"....meeting in a dark alley.....super secret confidential yellow envelopes....burner phones....

this has been going on for years now right...?.....and not once has anybody come out and said something.....hasn't been leaked....ever...

people don't want to answer this question because there is no answer....and there is no answer because it just simply isn't happening......it's just whining and crying and loser mentality...

on NFL Gameday this morning....they showed and explained both "controversial calls" against Mahomes.....as much as many of you don't want to admit it.....there was contact to the head by the defense on both plays.....did the two HOU defenders hit each other.....they sure did....but there was also contact to the head of Mahomes on that play and on the other one....there just was....period....if you want to argue "marginal" or "forcible" or whatever fine....but bottom line there was contact to the head and it's up to the defense to avoid that....

Then I’ll ask you, why is it happening every week? Why is #74 allowed to commit a penality on every passing play? Either by lining up too far away from the LOS, or jumping early. Please explain this to me.

 

[crushedspirit]

the league employs around 120 officials give or take....how exactly does the league pass it down to the officials that "we want the Chiefs to win"....meeting in a dark alley.....super secret confidential yellow envelopes....burner phones....

this has been going on for years now right...?.....and not once has anybody come out and said something.....hasn't been leaked....ever...

people don't want to answer this question because there is no answer....and there is no answer because it just simply isn't happening......it's just whining and crying and loser mentality...

on NFL Gameday this morning....they showed and explained both "controversial calls" against Mahomes.....as much as many of you don't want to admit it.....there was contact to the head by the defense on both plays.....did the two HOU defenders hit each other.....they sure did....but there was also contact to the head of Mahomes on that play and on the other one....there just was....period....if you want to argue "marginal" or "forcible" or whatever fine....but bottom line there was contact to the head and it's up to the defense to avoid that....

Then I’ll ask you, why is it happening every week? Why is #74 allowed to commit a penality on every passing play? Either by lining up too far away from the LOS, or jumping early. Please explain this to me.

You don't accept any explanation, and only seek validation for your subjective opinion.

 

[JohnnyU]

the league employs around 120 officials give or take....how exactly does the league pass it down to the officials that "we want the Chiefs to win"....meeting in a dark alley.....super secret confidential yellow envelopes....burner phones....

this has been going on for years now right...?.....and not once has anybody come out and said something.....hasn't been leaked....ever...

people don't want to answer this question because there is no answer....and there is no answer because it just simply isn't happening......it's just whining and crying and loser mentality...

on NFL Gameday this morning....they showed and explained both "controversial calls" against Mahomes.....as much as many of you don't want to admit it.....there was contact to the head by the defense on both plays.....did the two HOU defenders hit each other.....they sure did....but there was also contact to the head of Mahomes on that play and on the other one....there just was....period....if you want to argue "marginal" or "forcible" or whatever fine....but bottom line there was contact to the head and it's up to the defense to avoid that....

Then I’ll ask you, why is it happening every week? Why is #74 allowed to commit a penality on every passing play? Either by lining up too far away from the LOS, or jumping early. Please explain this to me.

You don't accept any explanation, and only seek validation for your subjective opinion.

You didn’t answer the question.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

you haven't answered the questions we have asked you either....

 

[crushedspirit]

Post #716 explains things

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I've asked this question over and over in other threads Johhny U was in complaining and he never answers...

 

[JohnnyU]

you haven't answered the questions we have asked you either....

What question was that? I answered Joe’s question when he mistakenly said I was calling it a conspiracy. I simply asked about #74.