AFC Title Game Discussion: Colts/Pats (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

Indy matches up better than they are getting credit for. Their CBs can take away Pats WR. The issue will be finding an answer for Gronk because Landry is a real liability in coverage. I'd isolate Davis and double Gronk, personally.

Luck is good enough to move the ball vs. NE but turnovers have hurt him this year. Really, it's the Indy oline that scares me most though. They will need to play much better than they did the first meeting. They were decent today vs. Den so maybe they are better.

Aside from Davis the Indy secondary is horrible. Peyton missed a ton of throws tonight and Denver also dropped a few balls. I'm not impressed with Indy's defense after seeing them shredded by the Pats earlier this year and by the Cowboys less than a month ago. They are not good. The Pats will score, if their defense doesn't implode they will win by double digits going away.

I don't know what you're talking about, both of their CBs are good. Davis is the best player on the as and maybe the best cover CB in the NFL right now. He's certainly better than Revis yet Revis gets all the hype.

Can't wait to revisit this thread Sunday night.

Just revisit last weeks games. Revis got abused while Davis was the best player on the field when Indy was on D.

 

[ROCKET]

Indy matches up better than they are getting credit for. Their CBs can take away Pats WR. The issue will be finding an answer for Gronk because Landry is a real liability in coverage. I'd isolate Davis and double Gronk, personally.

Luck is good enough to move the ball vs. NE but turnovers have hurt him this year. Really, it's the Indy oline that scares me most though. They will need to play much better than they did the first meeting. They were decent today vs. Den so maybe they are better.

Aside from Davis the Indy secondary is horrible. Peyton missed a ton of throws tonight and Denver also dropped a few balls. I'm not impressed with Indy's defense after seeing them shredded by the Pats earlier this year and by the Cowboys less than a month ago. They are not good. The Pats will score, if their defense doesn't implode they will win by double digits going away.

I don't know what you're talking about, both of their CBs are good. Davis is the best player on the as and maybe the best cover CB in the NFL right now. He's certainly better than Revis yet Revis gets all the hype.

Can't wait to revisit this thread Sunday night.

Just revisit last weeks games. Revis got abused while Davis was the best player on the field when Indy was on D.

Revis got abused? He had one bs PI call, a questionable costly holding call and gave up one TD on a nice catch/throw by Flacco and Smith. Denver had wr's open all day but Peyton couldn't thrown the ball more than 10 yards.

Why don't you revisit the Dallas film and tell me how Davis and co. did vs a good passing team? That's being abused. This whole arguement is laughable as Indy's secondary is horrible. Good luck with Landry covering Gronk or anyone else.

If this team wins it will be because of Luck and not their defense. Like I said you better pray for rain.

 

[jurb26]

Indy matches up better than they are getting credit for. Their CBs can take away Pats WR. The issue will be finding an answer for Gronk because Landry is a real liability in coverage. I'd isolate Davis and double Gronk, personally.

Luck is good enough to move the ball vs. NE but turnovers have hurt him this year. Really, it's the Indy oline that scares me most though. They will need to play much better than they did the first meeting. They were decent today vs. Den so maybe they are better.

Aside from Davis the Indy secondary is horrible. Peyton missed a ton of throws tonight and Denver also dropped a few balls. I'm not impressed with Indy's defense after seeing them shredded by the Pats earlier this year and by the Cowboys less than a month ago. They are not good. The Pats will score, if their defense doesn't implode they will win by double digits going away.

I don't know what you're talking about, both of their CBs are good. Davis is the best player on the as and maybe the best cover CB in the NFL right now. He's certainly better than Revis yet Revis gets all the hype.

Can't wait to revisit this thread Sunday night.

Just revisit last weeks games. Revis got abused while Davis was the best player on the field when Indy was on D.

Revis got abused? He had one bs PI call, a questionable costly holding call and gave up one TD on a nice catch/throw by Flacco and Smith. Denver had wr's open all day but Peyton couldn't thrown the ball more than 10 yards.Why don't you revisit the Dallas film and tell me how Davis and co. did vs a good passing team? That's being abused. This whole arguement is laughable as Indy's secondary is horrible. Good luck with Landry covering Gronk or anyone else.

If this team wins it will be because of Luck and not their defense. Like I said you better pray for rain.

The Dal game where Indy had nothing to play for. Great example.

Like I said before, Gronk is going to be a problem. The Indy S's are terrible in coverage. The CBs are very good. You can't seem to recognize the difference.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

The weather if the forecast is correct will play a major role in the game, especially in the second half (95% chance of rain). Too bad it wasn't colder as it would be a major blizzard. The

inclement weather is not what the Pats needed as I think in good conditions they would throttle Indy. They may still do it but I don't like the forecast.

You think the rain, wind and cold is going to favor the visiting team that plays their home games in a dome? That is crazy

 

[jurb26]

The weather if the forecast is correct will play a major role in the game, especially in the second half (95% chance of rain). Too bad it wasn't colder as it would be a major blizzard. The

inclement weather is not what the Pats needed as I think in good conditions they would throttle Indy. They may still do it but I don't like the forecast.

You think the rain, wind and cold is going to favor the visiting team that plays their home games in a dome? That is crazy

Agreed, poor weather would seem to favor NE because they would be more used to it.

 

[ROCKET]

You could be right, poor weather could favor the Pats. I don't think that is a certainty as you never know how the ball will bounce in a sloppy, field position game. I know I would like the Pats chances a lot more if I knew it would be Brady and co. vs the Indy defense with no limitations from the weather.

I'm sure good weather would help Luck and Indy's offense as well but I'd take the trade off. From what they are saying it will be a huge factor.

 

[Anarchy99]

I don't think it's that crazy to concoct a scenario where things break better for the Colts. Pats defer, Luck leads them on a quick scoring drive, they stuff the run early, and they don't turn the ball over. Brady has thrown some really dumb passes this year, so add in a couple NE turnovers and the Pats could need another fourth quarter comeback to win.

 

[ROCKET]

Indy matches up better than they are getting credit for. Their CBs can take away Pats WR. The issue will be finding an answer for Gronk because Landry is a real liability in coverage. I'd isolate Davis and double Gronk, personally.

Luck is good enough to move the ball vs. NE but turnovers have hurt him this year. Really, it's the Indy oline that scares me most though. They will need to play much better than they did the first meeting. They were decent today vs. Den so maybe they are better.

Aside from Davis the Indy secondary is horrible. Peyton missed a ton of throws tonight and Denver also dropped a few balls. I'm not impressed with Indy's defense after seeing them shredded by the Pats earlier this year and by the Cowboys less than a month ago. They are not good. The Pats will score, if their defense doesn't implode they will win by double digits going away.

I don't know what you're talking about, both of their CBs are good. Davis is the best player on the as and maybe the best cover CB in the NFL right now. He's certainly better than Revis yet Revis gets all the hype.

Can't wait to revisit this thread Sunday night.

Just revisit last weeks games. Revis got abused while Davis was the best player on the field when Indy was on D.

Revis got abused? He had one bs PI call, a questionable costly holding call and gave up one TD on a nice catch/throw by Flacco and Smith. Denver had wr's open all day but Peyton couldn't thrown the ball more than 10 yards.Why don't you revisit the Dallas film and tell me how Davis and co. did vs a good passing team? That's being abused. This whole arguement is laughable as Indy's secondary is horrible. Good luck with Landry covering Gronk or anyone else.

If this team wins it will be because of Luck and not their defense. Like I said you better pray for rain.

The Dal game where Indy had nothing to play for. Great example.

Like I said before, Gronk is going to be a problem. The Indy S's are terrible in coverage. The CBs are very good. You can't seem to recognize the difference.

Davis is good. Toler, Butler, Landry, Adams and co. are not just bad but horrible. If Indy can't get a pass rush and the weather doesn't wreak havoc it will be a long day for Indy.

 

[jurb26]

Toler is not terrible. Far from it.

Indy will have a lot of trouble in this game if they can't do 2 things. First is somehow run the ball. The second is cover Gronk. I think they can cover Gronk if they scheme it properly. Running the ball, I'm less convinced but you never know.

 

[ROCKET]

I don't think it's that crazy to concoct a scenario where things break better for the Colts. Pats defer, Luck leads them on a quick scoring drive, they stuff the run early, and they don't turn the ball over. Brady has thrown some really dumb passes this year, so add in a couple NE turnovers and the Pats could need another fourth quarter comeback to win.

Anything is possible and I agree the start of the game will be huge for both teams. The Pats can't continue to dig holes for themselves early in games and expect to pull it out at the end. I still think the Indy D isn't legit and NE should be able to put up a lot of points if they don't turn the ball over.

The Pats D has to step up. I give them a mulligan vs the Ravens as they always play us tough and put up points. There are definite concerns on the D for sure and their collapse along with losing the turnover battle is the only scenario I see with the Pats losing. Luck is great, he just doesn't have the supporting cast, yet. When he does they will be scary.

 

[ROCKET]

Toler is not terrible. Far from it.

Indy will have a lot of trouble in this game if they can't do 2 things. First is somehow run the ball. The second is cover Gronk. I think they can cover Gronk if they scheme it properly. Running the ball, I'm less convinced but you never know.

Go look at the Dallas tape and tell me he isn't horrible in coverage. And don't tell me that game was meaningless as the Colts were playing all their starters with every intention of winning. I don't see their secondary covering all the options Brady has unless they can get to Brady consistently which isn't out of the question given how the O-line has performed at times this year and minus Stork.

As far as running the ball I'm not a big Herron fan, he's OK but not nearly the threat a Lynch/Lacy type would be. The Pats D-line is another big ? as they have been very suspect this year. I think you're over estimating the Colts secondary but I agree they have areas elsewhere they can exploit.

I hope the Pats come out with the same approach they had vs the Ravens and spread the Colts out and throw, throw, throw. I don't see us running with success like we did two months ago vs Indy. I will be surprised if we are as we have sucked at running since then and Indy has improved up front.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

You could be right, poor weather could favor the Pats. I don't think that is a certainty as you never know how the ball will bounce in a sloppy, field position game. I know I would like the Pats

chances a lot more if I knew it would be Brady and co. vs the Indy defense with no limitations from the weather.

I'm sure good weather would help Luck and Indy's offense as well but I'd take the trade off. From what they are saying it will be a huge factor.

The Pats and Brady in particular have usually handled the elements better than their opponents in Foxboro. I don't have stats but I'm pretty sure that is very much the case when the opponent is a dome team.

I'm having a hard time envisioning a Colts win

that doesn't come with a Luck stat line of 300+ yards passing and 2-3 TDs. I don't see how rain and wind helps the Colts at all especially since Luck has little to no experience in this type of game. Obviously turnovers are the great equalizer but if anything I would think the Colts are more likely to cough it up in tomorrow's weather than NE.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

think I prefer this one

for more than 1 reason

Yeah, that sweater. That's a sweater.

better than this top?

 

[Bruce Leroy]

Colts will turn the ball over. Patriots win by again pounding the rock.

Can't see Colts scoring more than 17. Can't see the Patriots scoring less than 23.

Packers vs. Patriots in Super Bowl = Pick 'em = Exactly what the NFL & TV wants

 

[ShamrockPride]

Packers vs. Patriots in Super Bowl = Pick 'em = Exactly what the NFL & TV wants

Idk about this man. I think the most hype for a possible SB matchup is Pats/Hawks. Besides the great matchup, I think it would serve as a great storyline for the inevitable new age dynasty vs the old guard dynasty. I won't say a proverbial "passing of the torch" but it's one way to look at it. Russ has a chance to be the new era's Tom Brady.

 

[Run It Up]

Packers vs. Patriots in Super Bowl = Pick 'em = Exactly what the NFL & TV wants

Idk about this man. I think the most hype for a possible SB matchup is Pats/Hawks. Besides the great matchup, I think it would serve as a great storyline for the inevitable new age dynasty vs the old guard dynasty. I won't say a proverbial "passing of the torch" but it's one way to look at it. Russ has a chance to be the new era's Tom Brady.

You've come a long way from a few days ago when you said the Seahawks would make the Pats their #####.

I agree with the bolded above.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Packers vs. Patriots in Super Bowl = Pick 'em = Exactly what the NFL & TV wants

Russ has a chance to be the new era's Derek Jeter.

Fixed.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

Funny how many dismiss 1 of the 2 winning-est teams over the last 15 years.

1. Patriots
2. Packers

Dynasty means you win over an extended period of time. Come back to us in 2025 Seahawk fans, we'll see where you're at.

 

[Road Warriors]

Toler is not terrible. Far from it.

Indy will have a lot of trouble in this game if they can't do 2 things. First is somehow run the ball. The second is cover Gronk. I think they can cover Gronk if they scheme it properly. Running the ball, I'm less convinced but you never know.

Didn't Sergio Brown "put the straps on" Gronk last time? Then tweet about it? I wouldn't count on Gronk being shut down all day. I have a feeling he may be UP for this matchup ( as opposed to his usual low-key persona )

 

[pizzatyme]

I say the team with the better combined TE production wins the game. Edge Pats, but lookout for Fleener and Allen.

 

[indyram96]

Richardson did not travel with team due to "personal reasons"

Not that he was going to see much action anyway.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2333343-trent-richardson-out-vs-patriots-for-personal-reasons-latest-details-reaction

 

[Road Warriors]

I say the team with the better combined TE production wins the game. Edge Pats, but lookout for Fleener and Allen.

I haven't seen too many Colts games, and I think Allen was out against the Pats the first time around.

Have they done well incorporating both TE in the offense when they're both healthy and playing? From my limited recall ( and reading box scores ), I don't think they have had many games where they both were productive. Quick look at the stat lines, Allen was productive before the injury, especially in TDs, but Fleener has been much more heavily used since the injury, even when Allen has been active.

That could be an interesting wrinkle to bring to the table for this game, a 2 TE pass attack, similar to the Gronk/Hernandez days. I don't know how much you'd want to change an offense, especially one that was as productive as the Colts this year, but that could be something to watch.

 

[Road Warriors]

Richardson did not travel with team due to "personal reasons"

Not that he was going to see much action anyway.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2333343-trent-richardson-out-vs-patriots-for-personal-reasons-latest-details-reaction

More bad news for the Patriots.

 

[Anarchy99]

Colts will turn the ball over. Patriots win by again pounding the rock.

Can't see Colts scoring more than 17. Can't see the Patriots scoring less than 23.

Packers vs. Patriots in Super Bowl = Pick 'em = Exactly what the NFL & TV wants

Opening line for GB vs. NE already set. Pats would be 2.5 point favorites.

 

[devouredbychaos]

I say the team with the better combined TE production wins the game. Edge Pats, but lookout for Fleener and Allen.

I haven't seen too many Colts games, and I think Allen was out against the Pats the first time around.Have they done well incorporating both TE in the offense when they're both healthy and playing? From my limited recall ( and reading box scores ), I don't think they have had many games where they both were productive. Quick look at the stat lines, Allen was productive before the injury, especially in TDs, but Fleener has been much more heavily used since the injury, even when Allen has been active.

That could be an interesting wrinkle to bring to the table for this game, a 2 TE pass attack, similar to the Gronk/Hernandez days. I don't know how much you'd want to change an offense, especially one that was as productive as the Colts this year, but that could be something to watch.

Or do the Pats themselves throw in an interesting wrinkle and use Gronk and Wright in 2 TE sets like they did vs Cincy back in October..

 

[devouredbychaos]

I say the team with the better combined TE production wins the game. Edge Pats, but lookout for Fleener and Allen.

You forgot the Pats have Wright as well.. They haven't run many 2 TE sets this season, but it wouldn't surprise me to see it tomorrow honestly. Although I think this game really just comes down to the defense of both sides. I know both of Indy's CBs are questionable, and I'm assuming they'll be playing..but how banged up do you think Davis and Toler really are? Because if either show any sign of injury, Brady will attack that weakness relentlessly all night long.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Colts offensive tackle Xavier Nixon missed the flight and is listed as out for tomorrow, team reports.

Nixon was the only OT left on the roster besides the 2 starters.

 

[pizzatyme]

I say the team with the better combined TE production wins the game. Edge Pats, but lookout for Fleener and Allen.

You forgot the Pats have Wright as well.. They haven't run many 2 TE sets this season, but it wouldn't surprise me to see it tomorrow honestly. Although I think this game really just comes down to the defense of both sides. I know both of Indy's CBs are questionable, and I'm assuming they'll be playing..but how banged up do you think Davis and Toler really are? Because if either show any sign of injury, Brady will attack that weakness relentlessly all night long.

Not sure how I forgot anyone when I didn't mention any Pats TEs, but point taken. My guess is both Indy DBs will be fine. If they're in then there's no excuses. Honestly, I don't like Toler's game. He's too up and down. Davis is a beast, however. The Colts usually leave Davis on an island on the Defensive right side of the field and then float safeties over the top on Toler's side. We'll see how that works tomorrow. The key on D for the Colts is gap containment against the run and getting some pressure up the middle on Brady. Maybe with the backup Center in there, this happens. Doubtful but possible.

 

[pizzatyme]

Colts offensive tackle Xavier Nixon missed the flight and is listed as out for tomorrow, team reports.

Nixon was the only OT left on the roster besides the 2 starters.

Sounds like the Colts go 4 OL ala Belichick!

 

[Run It Up]

Colts offensive tackle Xavier Nixon missed the flight and is listed as out for tomorrow, team reports.

Nixon was the only OT left on the roster besides the 2 starters.

Sounds like the Colts go 4 OL ala Belichick!

Thats a technical foul.

 

[Raider Nation]

The Colts have absolutely NO chance to win today. Congratulations to the machine known as the New England Patriots on yet another cakewalk to the Super Bowl

 

[captain_amazing]

GL Colts fans! Hoping for a good game.

 

[pizzatyme]

GL Colts fans! Hoping for a good game.

Likewise! Hoping we can make a game of it.

 

[Jrodicus]

Packers vs. Patriots in Super Bowl = Pick 'em = Exactly what the NFL & TV wants

Idk about this man. I think the most hype for a possible SB matchup is Pats/Hawks. Besides the great matchup, I think it would serve as a great storyline for the inevitable new age dynasty vs the old guard dynasty. I won't say a proverbial "passing of the torch" but it's one way to look at it. Russ has a chance to be the new era's Tom Brady.

Pats/Hawks would be the worst possible combination. There'd be nobody for 90% of the NFL fans to root for.

 

[ROCKET]

The Colts have absolutely NO chance to win today. Congratulations to the machine known as the New England Patriots on yet another cakewalk to the Super Bowl

I see what you're doing. It's not a cakewalk if the road doesn't include the Raiders.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Pats 38-24

 

[indyram96]

Colts 33. Pats 31

Vinatieri wins it with a field goal in the last 30 seconds

 

[ShamrockPride]

Packers vs. Patriots in Super Bowl = Pick 'em = Exactly what the NFL & TV wants

Idk about this man. I think the most hype for a possible SB matchup is Pats/Hawks. Besides the great matchup, I think it would serve as a great storyline for the inevitable new age dynasty vs the old guard dynasty. I won't say a proverbial "passing of the torch" but it's one way to look at it. Russ has a chance to be the new era's Tom Brady.

Pats/Hawks would be the worst possible combination. There'd be nobody for 90% of the NFL fans to root for.

No different than the Yankees. Hardcore and casual football fans will tune in JUST to watch the Pats lose...and the NFL knows this.

 

[seahawk 17]

NE/SEA would have the best storylines. Heavy dose of Brady and RW comparisons.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The Colts have absolutely NO chance to win today. Congratulations to the machine known as the New England Patriots on yet another cakewalk to the Super Bowl

nice try on the jinx

jinx gods can spot a phoney one

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

NE/SEA would have the best storylines. Heavy dose of Brady and RW comparisons.

Plenty of storylines:

Seattle going for back to back titles against the last team to do so

Carroll going against the team he was fired from

Revis and Sherman

The cheating aspect...overblown Spygate still haunting the Pats and massive PED use clouding Seattle right now

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The Colts have absolutely NO chance to win today. Congratulations to the machine known as the New England Patriots on yet another cakewalk to the Super Bowl

I see what you're doing. It's not a cakewalk if the road doesn't include the Raiders.

zing!

but it did

 

[ROCKET]

The Colts have absolutely NO chance to win today. Congratulations to the machine known as the New England Patriots on yet another cakewalk to the Super Bowl

I see what you're doing. It's not a cakewalk if the road doesn't include the Raiders.

zing!

but it did

I meant in the playoffs. I'm still not satisfied with the tuck rule making up for the bogus roughing the passer call on Sugarbear Hamilton that cost us our first SB title.

 

[JohnnyU]

The Colts have absolutely NO chance to win today. Congratulations to the machine known as the New England Patriots on yet another cakewalk to the Super Bowl

As much as I want the Colts to win, I expect the final score to look like 45-24 (pats).

 

[Road Warriors]

Go Pats. Please make this easier on my heart than last week. TIA!

Can't wait!

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The Colts have absolutely NO chance to win today. Congratulations to the machine known as the New England Patriots on yet another cakewalk to the Super Bowl

As much as I want the Colts to win, I expect the final score to look like 45-24 (pats).

what happened to indy's offense being better than balt's?

all trolling?

 

[bostonfred]

I'd like to see a close but decisive win by the patriots without and real controversy. In today's nfl that last bit seems like a big ask, but a patriots win would be nice.

 

[Run It Up]

I feel like we'll be seeing 300 penalty yards between the two teams, with at least four game changing calls.

 

[James Daulton]

The Pats fans seem pretty confident when, were it not for a horrible, massively injury depleted secondary and a bad decision by Flacco and poor effort by T Smith, the Ravens would have likely beaten them. I would be more concerned were I a Pat fan.

 

[JohnnyU]

The Colts have absolutely NO chance to win today. Congratulations to the machine known as the New England Patriots on yet another cakewalk to the Super Bowl

As much as I want the Colts to win, I expect the final score to look like 45-24 (pats).

what happened to indy's offense being better than balt's?

all trolling?

Can you provide a link where I said that? Why are you so aggressive and doing a great impression of Richard?