Hi gc,The #1 WR on the team with the #1 QB who will set the single season record for passing won't want to return? J
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Darth Cheney
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Thank you..
Darth Cheney
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I'm all for not sitting back in the prevent and letting a team get back in the game. However, I would think that even the most unbiased person would have to agree that when you are up 35 - o and 35 - 7 in the mid to late 3rd the need to pass a lot is not neccessary.As far as the injuries go, I still stand my belief that if Manning or anyone else went down with a significant injury in the 4th everyone would be asking why Dungy still had them in there. If the injury was a result of Manning throwing an INT everyone would question why the clock wasn't being run down. In regards to Edge, the Colts also have Dominic Rhodes so Edge taking the bulk of garbage time carries doesn't hold water.As far as practice goes, thats also true but judging on the success of the Colts offense this year practice is not something they greatly need.
Anyone else here getting tired of sports in general?For the past few years it's been getting harder for me to root for players who have no respect for the game, but now it's going to a whole new level as fans now have no respect for anything either. The recent fight at the Indiana-Detroit game is a good indicator of how far we've fallen. I'm becoming so sickened by the state of sports in general, and now this disgusting attitude from the fans is finding its way onto an internet message board that is supposed to be dedicated to a fun hobby. We're now at the point where people actually want to see a seemingly good guy "punished by the football gods" simply because he is excelling at a very exciting pace and is leading his team to win after win.So who's worse, the "greedy" guy who is doing exactly what he's supposed to do (score points and win), or the sick fans who wish harm on him? For those of you who want to see someone visited by the "ACL fairy," you are sad examples of human beings. 
Peyton Manning has been sacked 6 times in 10 games and has never missed any time to injury. I'd say passing the ball was probably the safest and best way for them to keep the Bears off the field and the clock running. They aren't your average NFL team.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Thank YouAnyone else here getting tired of sports in general?For the past few years it's been getting harder for me to root for players who have no respect for the game, but now it's going to a whole new level as fans now have no respect for anything either. The recent fight at the Indiana-Detroit game is a good indicator of how far we've fallen. I'm becoming so sickened by the state of sports in general, and now this disgusting attitude from the fans is finding its way onto an internet message board that is supposed to be dedicated to a fun hobby. We're now at the point where people actually want to see a seemingly good guy "punished by the football gods" simply because he is excelling at a very exciting pace and is leading his team to win after win.So who's worse, the "greedy" guy who is doing exactly what he's supposed to do (score points and win), or the sick fans who wish harm on him? For those of you who want to see someone visited by the "ACL fairy," you are sad examples of human beings.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Careful,,, you wouldn't want all the Manning family members in this thread to think you were rooting against him..
fatboyj711
Footballguy
chiming in late, but the quoted stats are a little misleading... on both those plays, the run was designed to shoot up the A gap, where there's really no chance of scoring (not playing to edge's strengths)... IMHO, i think both those plays were devised to set up the play action passes that resulted in TDs... after last years goalline debacle vs NE, i just don't think indy expects to punch in goalline TDs on the ground... but then again, manning is money in the bank, so why run it?
Theo Epstein
Footballguy
Guilty pleasure. I concur
Hi Fatboy,Do you really think the Colts run those plays to James thinking they have no chance to score?J
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
Yeah they would, they would be #####ing he came out of the game early and didn't get the 5th td. Right now he's tied with 6 - 5 td games. If he was as greedy as all the haters are saying, wouldn't he have stayed in to get his 7th - 5 td game and break that record too?
Gargoylez
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Umm no. Joe.Check out whats really happening. 5.0 ypc for james and he isn't getting it done?Think Holmes gerts a TD on every carry?Sorry. James hasn't had the opportunity to get it done... PERIOD. No one can deny that.I am not that upset about Manning calling passing plays inside the 20... its the fact they are up by large margins and he is just gunning it all over the place.Up by 5 TD's to a team that could barely move the ball? Same with Houston last week... No REAL offensive coordinator will call 3 passing plays in a row in the mid fourth quarter while up 35 points. Not unless youyr a 12 year old playing Madden 2005. The only conclusion I can come up with is that Manning is going for all the records this year. He figures, this might be the last year with harrison and James... If I don;t get the records now, he may never with what ever is left for him next year.Let Manning throw in the redzone, thats fine. But don;t try to tell us James isn't getting it done, Opportunity must be there for you to come up with that conclusion...
djcolts
Footballguy
1st and 1 vs. Pats and the RCA dome last year. James didn't get it done. That was the single most important series in the NFL regular season last year - James didn't get it done. That is ALL that matters. The Colts are scoring in the redzone this year - they didn't last year. That is what matters.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
He never even insulted you, maybe you haters really are big
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Rev.Lovejoy
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Jerk statement. As a Jaguar season ticket holder, its obvious we want them to lose. Are they fun to watch? Yes. Talented? Yes. Is Manning one of the best QBs we'll witness in our era? Yes. Is he one we'll talk about in 10 years? Yes. Do I wish him victories? No. But do I wish him a season ending injury? Hell no. Thats not just sour grapes, thats pathetic.
conservativeicon
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Now we've got another thread where Edge reports he could have broke the single game record, but that rest was more important with the short week. Any chance that they just do not want Edge taking meaningless hits? Maybe? Is this possible?
Or is it more reasonable to conclude that Manning is a bad guy and selfish player? I mean he has proven himeself to be a man of such poor character and no respect for the game and all...
Or is it more reasonable to conclude that Manning is a bad guy and selfish player? I mean he has proven himeself to be a man of such poor character and no respect for the game and all...
ColtsFreak
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As others have said earlier, Edge didn't get it done last year against the Patriots....He also didn't get it done this year against the Patriots. Week 1 on Thurs. Edge fumbled twice inside the redzone to come away with 0 points for the Colts. If he would of held on and the Colts scored a touchdown on one of those 2 drives the Colts would have won that game. Maybe the coaching staff just doesn't feel confident that Edge can get it done in the redzone. THE POINT OF FOOTBALL IS TO WIN GAMES AND SCORE POINTS. FANTASY FOOTBALL HAS CLOUDED MANY OF THE POSTERS OPINIONS. YOU ARE WATCHING THE BEST QB OF ALL TIME PLAY FOOTBALL. SHUT THE *** UP AND ENJOY IT !!!!
JohnnyU
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Oh my God !! Did I read what I thought I just read? Your saying Manning has no respect for the game is and has poor character? ...., well, I'm speechless. If you really believe that, you should be banned for stupidity.Or is it more reasonable to conclude that Manning is a bad guy and selfish player? I mean he has proven himeself to be a man of such poor character and no respect for the game and all...
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rhawkins68
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Unfortanatly I love sports to much to tire of them.Although, your assement of the fans/players in general is spot on. It get's worse every year. A good indicator is youth sports where you have PARENTS fighting over a 5-18 year olds GAME!! What makes it worse is that 85% or more of the fans/parents don't even understand the sport they are so caught up in. Speaking of the Indiana/Detroit game. I watched it unfold and couldn't believe the announcers were justifying the players actions. By doing this they set a terrible example for future generation Athletes. Getting hit by a light plastic cup filled with backwash is not a reason to attack a fan. I could understand pointing the fan out to security and lettting them handle it. The fan was 100% wrong but so was the player don't support or justify one side over the other.Anyone else here getting tired of sports in general?For the past few years it's been getting harder for me to root for players who have no respect for the game, but now it's going to a whole new level as fans now have no respect for anything either. The recent fight at the Indiana-Detroit game is a good indicator of how far we've fallen. I'm becoming so sickened by the state of sports in general, and now this disgusting attitude from the fans is finding its way onto an internet message board that is supposed to be dedicated to a fun hobby. We're now at the point where people actually want to see a seemingly good guy "punished by the football gods" simply because he is excelling at a very exciting pace and is leading his team to win after win.So who's worse, the "greedy" guy who is doing exactly what he's supposed to do (score points and win), or the sick fans who wish harm on him? For those of you who want to see someone visited by the "ACL fairy," you are sad examples of human beings.
Gargoylez
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Key to that phrase is LAST YEAR.If Manning is holding onto that, then he has some mental issues.James was stuffed on the goalline by arguably the leagues BEST defense... LAST YEAR. This is a new year and the Texans and Bears are not even close to what New England had going on... LAST YEAR.Again, its fine if Manning calls an audible pass in the redzone. That isn't my quam really. Up 35 points... Manning is sitting the bench on 31 other teams... I mean teams that have a head coach with a brain. Ok, maybe 30 teams, Martz might keep him in there running up the score.Don't get me wrong, I don;t think Edge is the best redzone back... but he is better then most and is not getting a fair shake in redzone. It is not really an issue though, because what they are doing now IS working... even midway through the 4th up by 35+ points............
Hi gar,What do you call this from last week:
Two red zone chances and he comes up small on both. I love James and think he's a great player. But there's a reason Manning throws at the goal line - it's the team's best chance to score.J
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Gargoylez
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IND RB James -1 yard rush from the 3 (Manning to Stokely TD)
IND RB James 2 yard rush to the 5 (Manning to Wayne TD)
If memorey serves me, they were both 1st downs....
Again, I think giving james the ball 4 times (I beleive that is what it is) in 5 redzone trips is a bit off the mark...
As a standard, that is completely off the mark. But as I said before, Manning is Hawking a ton of TD's but it WORKS. So why change it? I just feel bad for Edge... cuz the Opportunity just isnt there IMO.
Anyways, my beef is the running up the score.
IND RB James 2 yard rush to the 5 (Manning to Wayne TD)
If memorey serves me, they were both 1st downs....
Again, I think giving james the ball 4 times (I beleive that is what it is) in 5 redzone trips is a bit off the mark...
As a standard, that is completely off the mark. But as I said before, Manning is Hawking a ton of TD's but it WORKS. So why change it? I just feel bad for Edge... cuz the Opportunity just isnt there IMO.
Anyways, my beef is the running up the score.
Gargoyle's post made me think Manning played out the whole game. "My bad"These are professionals and I see nothing wrong with running up the score. I could see this being a valid argument if this was College but in the Pro’s I wouldn’t show any mercy. I can see benching players just to prevent injury but benching a player so you don’t hurt the other team’s feelings? 
I guess you are angry with Peyton's performance due to the fact you have Edge on your team. Just like I'm thrilled watching him light a team up since he was my main pick. Hope he hits 55 this year 
I guess you are angry with Peyton's performance due to the fact you have Edge on your team. Just like I'm thrilled watching him light a team up since he was my main pick. Hope he hits 55 this year 
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
I can't wait for the Colts to TORCH the Ravens in a few weeks. Colts may score 60 that day...
Pigskin75
Footballguy
I see this thing has gone on for four pages and I'm not about to read all that. Instead, I'll just give my opinion.To say Manning is greedy and doing this for himself is ridiculous. The Colts have a system, an offense. You lineup, you stop them. Passing is a huge part of their offense. They pass before they run, that's just the way it is. If you can't stop them, blame your defense, not Manning and the Colts.Now, can Dungy get the starters out when the game is out of hand? Of course, that's the bigger question. If not for anything else but to protect them.But like I said, stop the offense and you don't have to worry about getting run-up on.
Pigskin75
Footballguy
Check this out. I just looked at the game play-by-play. The Bears turned the ball over at 12:48 in the 4th quarter on an interception.Here's the Colts play-by-play:
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1-10-IND20 (12:42) [B]#12 J.Sorgi in at QB. [/B]PENALTY on IND-B.Hartsock, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at IND 20 - No Play. 1-15-IND15 (12:42) D.Rhodes right end to IND 22 for 7 yards (H.Hillenmeyer). 2-8-IND22 (12:03) D.Rhodes left tackle to IND 32 for 10 yards (To.Johnson). 1-10-IND32 (11:15) D.Rhodes left end to IND 46 for 14 yards (To.Johnson). PENALTY on CHI-A.Brown, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at IND 46. 1-10-CHI49 (10:44) D.Rhodes left tackle to CHI 43 for 6 yards (H.Hillenmeyer, M.Green). 2-4-CHI43 (9:55) PENALTY on IND-J.Sorgi, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 43 - No Play. 2-9-CHI48 (9:32) J.Mungro left guard to CHI 43 for 5 yards (L.Briggs, I.Scott). 3-4-CHI43 (8:50) J.Mungro left tackle to CHI 35 for 8 yards (To.Johnson, J.Azumah). 1-10-CHI35 (8:04) D.Rhodes right guard to CHI 18 for 17 yards (M.Green). 1-10-CHI18 (7:12) D.Rhodes left tackle to CHI 21 for -3 yards (J.Odom). 2-13-CHI21 (6:25) J.Mungro left guard to CHI 19 for 2 yards (Ta.Johnson). 3-11-CHI19 (5:43) D.Rhodes left end to CHI 19 for no gain (J.Azumah). 4-11-CHI19 (4:56) D.Rhodes left tackle to CHI 17 for 2 yards (J.Odom, L.Briggs).
Shrek
Having a great season
How could you? Isn't Big Red the owner?:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: ME a Yankee fan?You obviously have me confused. I wouldn't root for the Yankees if they were playing Satan.Cut him some slack - he's a Yankee fan. They have a right to be a little edgy these days.Thats just Capella. SOMETIMES, hes not a very nice person
I don't think my opponent is looking forward to it though 
Come to think of it, in one league I'm starting manning. in the other league i'm playing against manning. so i'll be like: 
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General Tso
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Uhh - the starters were taken out of the game by that point. Manning and Edge weren't even playing, so your point is blowin in the wind as they say. Look at the prior weeek, when Manning was in the game - had a 4 or 5 TD lead, and was still gunning it in the 4th. It's not wonder that Dungy took him out in the 4th against the Bears. That's the only way to keep him from not audiblizing to himself.If anything - your post proves my point - the Colts obviousy can run the ball effectively - even with their backup in the game. AND - running the ball with the lead is smart as it runs out the clock. It's pretty simple really. Unless, of course, you're trying for a stupid personal record, then it's BE DAMNED with time honored strategies.Check this out. I just looked at the game play-by-play. The Bears turned the ball over at 12:48 in the 4th quarter on an interception.Here's the Colts play-by-play:Note the starting time of the drive...12:42. They turned it over on downs at 4:56! The Colts had one more possession in the game and knelt on it three times.Indy had the ball three times in the third. One possession was an INT, one was a Pass TD and the third was Edge's TD. Greedy my ####.Code:1-10-IND20 (12:42) [B]#12 J.Sorgi in at QB. [/B]PENALTY on IND-B.Hartsock, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at IND 20 - No Play. 1-15-IND15 (12:42) D.Rhodes right end to IND 22 for 7 yards (H.Hillenmeyer). 2-8-IND22 (12:03) D.Rhodes left tackle to IND 32 for 10 yards (To.Johnson). 1-10-IND32 (11:15) D.Rhodes left end to IND 46 for 14 yards (To.Johnson). PENALTY on CHI-A.Brown, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at IND 46. 1-10-CHI49 (10:44) D.Rhodes left tackle to CHI 43 for 6 yards (H.Hillenmeyer, M.Green). 2-4-CHI43 (9:55) PENALTY on IND-J.Sorgi, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 43 - No Play. 2-9-CHI48 (9:32) J.Mungro left guard to CHI 43 for 5 yards (L.Briggs, I.Scott). 3-4-CHI43 (8:50) J.Mungro left tackle to CHI 35 for 8 yards (To.Johnson, J.Azumah). 1-10-CHI35 (8:04) D.Rhodes right guard to CHI 18 for 17 yards (M.Green). 1-10-CHI18 (7:12) D.Rhodes left tackle to CHI 21 for -3 yards (J.Odom). 2-13-CHI21 (6:25) J.Mungro left guard to CHI 19 for 2 yards (Ta.Johnson). 3-11-CHI19 (5:43) D.Rhodes left end to CHI 19 for no gain (J.Azumah). 4-11-CHI19 (4:56) D.Rhodes left tackle to CHI 17 for 2 yards (J.Odom, L.Briggs).
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I wouldn't say that he is gunning for it today. There really haven't been any situations they should have been running that he passed. I'm sure we'll see him get nice and greedy in the second half and still throw 3 downs in a row when up 20+ much like he has done in previous weeks.
my man otis
Footballguy
Like he just did?
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
sorry it has to come to this:clearsthroat:SOMEONE LAY THE TD WHO*E OUT!!!!!!Please for the love of god
MutantEnemies
Footballguy
You would really rather listen to how Peyton would have had the record?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Will you James owners stop crying already.
Who really cares if he is going for the record, as long as it is not affecting his team, and apparently it is not. 
P.S. Manning is single handedly beating me in the only two leagues i am still in playoff contention in. 
