Amari Cooper v Kevin White - Dynasty (1 Viewer)

[Kitrick Taylor]

Where's the "I like them both a real lot" thread?

How about all three?

At this point I think it's 50/50 that Minnesota takes the last of the three of them at 11. If that doesn't happen, they aren't getting by Cleveland (12), Miami (14) and San Francisco (15).

Basically, we have 3 excellent WRs in this class, and they are all gonna go very high in this draft. They may not be quite as strong of prospects as Watkins (Cooper), Julio (White), and AJG (Parker), but they are close. After watching the impact last years WRs had, why wouldn't you want to add one of these three?

 

[massraider]

Where's the "I like them both a real lot" thread?

How about all three?

At this point I think it's 50/50 that Minnesota takes the last of the three of them at 11. If that doesn't happen, they aren't getting by Cleveland (12), Miami (14) and San Francisco (15).

Basically, we have 3 excellent WRs in this class, and they are all gonna go very high in this draft. They may not be quite as strong of prospects as Watkins (Cooper), Julio (White), and AJG (Parker), but they are close. After watching the impact last years WRs had, why wouldn't you want to add one of these three?

They may not be on the level of Watkins/Evans/ODB, but I think you are right, they will all go high.

This draft isn't nearly as top heavy as previous years. Players drafted at 12 will be similarly rated to players drafted at 6-8. Top of the draft isn't as good as last year. better than two years ago, tho.

 

[cstu]

Where's the "I like them both a real lot" thread?

How about all three?

At this point I think it's 50/50 that Minnesota takes the last of the three of them at 11. If that doesn't happen, they aren't getting by Cleveland (12), Miami (14) and San Francisco (15).

Basically, we have 3 excellent WRs in this class, and they are all gonna go very high in this draft. They may not be quite as strong of prospects as Watkins (Cooper), Julio (White), and AJG (Parker), but they are close. After watching the impact last years WRs had, why wouldn't you want to add one of these three?

They may not be on the level of Watkins/Evans/ODB, but I think you are right, they will all go high.

This draft isn't nearly as top heavy as previous years. Players drafted at 12 will be similarly rated to players drafted at 6-8. Top of the draft isn't as good as last year. better than two years ago, tho.

All three should be drafted in PPR rookie drafts before Gordon, unless he goes to the Colts.

 

[JackReacher]

New SI mock has:

Oak 4. White

STL 10: Cooper

CLE 12. Parker

SF 15. DGB

KC 18. Strong

DAL 27. Gordon

SEA 31. Gurley

If all those things happened, it would be a very interesting rookie draft.

I'd have it: Gordon, Gurley, Cooper, White (But admittedly, I am not has high on White as others. I could see others taking him #1).

This is going to be a very fun few months.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Where's the "I like them both a real lot" thread?

How about all three?

At this point I think it's 50/50 that Minnesota takes the last of the three of them at 11. If that doesn't happen, they aren't getting by Cleveland (12), Miami (14) and San Francisco (15).

Basically, we have 3 excellent WRs in this class, and they are all gonna go very high in this draft. They may not be quite as strong of prospects as Watkins (Cooper), Julio (White), and AJG (Parker), but they are close. After watching the impact last years WRs had, why wouldn't you want to add one of these three?

They may not be on the level of Watkins/Evans/ODB, but I think you are right, they will all go high.

This draft isn't nearly as top heavy as previous years. Players drafted at 12 will be similarly rated to players drafted at 6-8. Top of the draft isn't as good as last year. better than two years ago, tho.

All we heard last year was about how the top wasn't that strong but it was like the deepest draft in history. I'm pretty sure basically that exact quote (players drafted at 12-15 will be rated as high as guys drafted at 5-7) was used about a gajillion times on this board last year.

 

[carverlee]

New SI mock has:

Oak 4. White

STL 10: Cooper

CLE 12. Parker

SF 15. DGB

KC 18. Strong

DAL 27. Gordon

SEA 31. Gurley

If all those things happened, it would be a very interesting rookie draft.

I'd have it: Gordon, Gurley, Cooper, White (But admittedly, I am not has high on White as others. I could see others taking him #1).

This is going to be a very fun few months.

DAL taking a first round RB is a pipe dream. I just don't see them in a position to take a RB unless they reach. If Ajayi or Coleman is there late in round 3 definitely. Yeldon or Abdullah in round 4.

 

[Ernol]

All we heard last year was about how the top wasn't that strong but it was like the deepest draft in history. I'm pretty sure basically that exact quote (players drafted at 12-15 will be rated as high as guys drafted at 5-7) was used about a gajillion times on this board last year.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[EBF]

New SI mock has:

Oak 4. White

STL 10: Cooper

CLE 12. Parker

SF 15. DGB

KC 18. Strong

DAL 27. Gordon

SEA 31. Gurley

If all those things happened, it would be a very interesting rookie draft.

I'd have it: Gordon, Gurley, Cooper, White (But admittedly, I am not has high on White as others. I could see others taking him #1).

This is going to be a very fun few months.

DAL taking a first round RB is a pipe dream. I just don't see them in a position to take a RB unless they reach. If Ajayi or Coleman is there late in round 3 definitely. Yeldon or Abdullah in round 4.

Abdullah ain't falling to the 4th. In all likelihood, Abdullah ain't failling to the 3rd. It's even possible that Abdullah ain't falling to the 2nd.

 

[Sabertooth]

Give me White. Or Cooper. Crap shoot at this point. 51% White for me.

 

[flapgreen]

Where's the "I like them both a real lot" thread?

How about all three? At this point I think it's 50/50 that Minnesota takes the last of the three of them at 11. If that doesn't happen, they aren't getting by Cleveland (12), Miami (14) and San Francisco (15).

Basically, we have 3 excellent WRs in this class, and they are all gonna go very high in this draft. They may not be quite as strong of prospects as Watkins (Cooper), Julio (White), and AJG (Parker), but they are close. After watching the impact last years WRs had, why wouldn't you want to add one of these three?

They may not be on the level of Watkins/Evans/ODB, but I think you are right, they will all go high.

This draft isn't nearly as top heavy as previous years. Players drafted at 12 will be similarly rated to players drafted at 6-8. Top of the draft isn't as good as last year. better than two years ago, tho.

All we heard last year was about how the top wasn't that strong but it was like the deepest draft in history. I'm pretty sure basically that exact quote (players drafted at 12-15 will be rated as high as guys drafted at 5-7) was used about a gajillion times on this board last year.

Defensively, this draft is very top heavy.

 

[JohnnyU]

Give me White. Or Cooper. Crap shoot at this point. 51% White for me.

I'll go with the sure thing and that is Cooper.

 

[BeTheMatch]

New SI mock has:

Oak 4. White

STL 10: Cooper

CLE 12. Parker

SF 15. DGB

KC 18. Strong

DAL 27. Gordon

SEA 31. Gurley

If all those things happened, it would be a very interesting rookie draft.

I'd have it: Gordon, Gurley, Cooper, White (But admittedly, I am not has high on White as others. I could see others taking him #1).

This is going to be a very fun few months.

DAL taking a first round RB is a pipe dream. I just don't see them in a position to take a RB unless they reach. If Ajayi or Coleman is there late in round 3 definitely. Yeldon or Abdullah in round 4.

Abdullah ain't falling to the 4th. In all likelihood, Abdullah ain't failling to the 3rd. It's even possible that Abdullah ain't falling to the 2nd.

Abdullah in the first? I'll eat my hat.

 

[Mingooch]

Cooper over White for me for sure

 

[EBF]

Give me White. Or Cooper. Crap shoot at this point. 51% White for me.

I'll go with the guy I already own in my devy league and that is Cooper.

FYP

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Give me White. Or Cooper. Crap shoot at this point. 51% White for me.

I'll go with the guy I already own, and just paid a boatload for in my devy league and that is Cooper.

FYP

 

[Xue]

Finally got around to measuring White and Cooper. I have White at 4.33 with 1.53 10-yard and Cooper at 4.35 with 1.60 10-yard. White had a great start, but Cooper's top end is crazy good. His 10-40 and 20-40 segments are .2 faster than what I had for Brandin Cooks.

Word to the wise, don't be so quick to trust information that is wrong.

 

[Soulfly3]

If a few hundredths of a second is what is pushing White up/down the rankings, someone is doing it very wrong.

They both have top end speed. It's the other things that has some of us 1a/1b'ing white and cooper... not hundredths of a second in a padless drill

 

[jurb26]

Word to the wise, don't be so quick to trust information that is wrong.

Wrong or right, people shouldn't place so much emphasis on 40 times. Just watch them play and you should see their game speed.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

If a few hundredths of a second is what is pushing White up/down the rankings, someone is doing it very wrong.

They both have top end speed. It's the other things that has some of us 1a/1b'ing white and cooper... not hundredths of a second in a padless drill

Exactly. Yet the moment White ran his 40 a bunch of people in here started rationalizing that White is better. BTW - he very well could end up as the better player. But not because of a miniscule difference in 40 time at the underwear Olympics.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Word to the wise, don't be so quick to trust information that is wrong.

Wrong or right, people shouldn't place so much emphasis on 40 times. Just watch them play and you should see their game speed.

Yup. It is funny that the "experts" fairly consistently said that White didn't have top end speed that showed up on the field. Yet now, all of a sudden, it is taken as a givem that White's 40 time will translate to exceptional top end speed on the field. This is exactly the type of rationalization human beings are capable of......that makes us so maddening as a species.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alOoAew2dLo

What do we make of this?

 

[Soulfly3]

Nothing, imo

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Finally got around to measuring White and Cooper. I have White at 4.33 with 1.53 10-yard and Cooper at 4.35 with 1.60 10-yard. White had a great start, but Cooper's top end is crazy good. His 10-40 and 20-40 segments are .2 faster than what I had for Brandin Cooks.

Word to the wise, don't be so quick to trust information that is wrong.

like them both a lot, but do you think Amari is clearly on a different level than White? Gotta make the choice between them and don't know what to do.

 

[amicsta]

I honestly can't believe that people are talking about White over Cooper. That will go down as a mistake imo. It's like we just forgot about Cooper's whole career and just focus on the fact that White ran faster and jumped farther. Cooper has been much better than White on the field (and against better competition) and does more "receiver things". Maybe this is just 95% opinion haha, I was just really confused when I woke up to mock drafts that had White over Cooper.

 

[Soulfly3]

I honestly can't believe that people are talking about White over Cooper. That will go down as a mistake imo. It's like we just forgot about Cooper's whole career and just focus on the fact that White ran faster and jumped farther. Cooper has been much better than White on the field (and against better competition) and does more "receiver things". Maybe this is just 95% opinion haha, I was just really confused when I woke up to mock drafts that had White over Cooper.

heard the same things last year when I moved down from #1 to #2, because I wanted Evans... and wouldve taken him at #1...

another 1a/1b year for me... like last year. gimme either

 

[amicsta]

I honestly can't believe that people are talking about White over Cooper. That will go down as a mistake imo. It's like we just forgot about Cooper's whole career and just focus on the fact that White ran faster and jumped farther. Cooper has been much better than White on the field (and against better competition) and does more "receiver things". Maybe this is just 95% opinion haha, I was just really confused when I woke up to mock drafts that had White over Cooper.

heard the same things last year when I moved down from #1 to #2, because I wanted Evans... and wouldve taken him at #1...

another 1a/1b year for me... like last year. gimme either

Except I feel like Evans' track record was much better than White's (I was on Evans over Watkins last year as well). White essentially came out of nowhere and is an older prospect. I can't help but feel like he just bullied on a bunch of younger guys in a bad conference.

 

[Xue]

Finally got around to measuring White and Cooper. I have White at 4.33 with 1.53 10-yard and Cooper at 4.35 with 1.60 10-yard. White had a great start, but Cooper's top end is crazy good. His 10-40 and 20-40 segments are .2 faster than what I had for Brandin Cooks.

Word to the wise, don't be so quick to trust information that is wrong.

like them both a lot, but do you think Amari is clearly on a different level than White? Gotta make the choice between them and don't know what to do.

I think Cooper is ready to step in and be able to do anything asked of him. White still needs work on routes.

 

[Tanner9919]

Cooper plays against insanely good talent in the SEC, and burns 'em every time..he's been in more big games than all the others, combined. the dude is money..

Giants - please take him at #9..PLEASE!

 

[stumpie71]

I have Cooper as the safest pick, however I like White as the better prospect.

Cooper is posilshed and runs very good routes for soon to be rookie. By no means is he "elite" at this point, and needs to improve but is well ahead of the curve and may do well his rookie season. He doesn't have "elite" physical traits but no deficiencies either.

White is still learning the tree but has shown plenty of improvement throuhgout his short WV career. His physical measurements are slightly better than Cooper.

I am trying to look 3 years from now and feel that White may be able to over come Cooper in that time frame.

For me, of the two:

• Cooper has the higher floor
• Cooper has the lower ceiling
• White has a lower floor, not boom or bust though
• Both may have good careers, however White appears to have the drive to become a very good NFL player, yearly top 15 after development.

DGB appears to be the only "elite" WR prospect this year and that is only because of his physical traits. Personally I don't have him in the "elite" category.

 

[Soulfly3]

Seems to me now, that there is a legit shot Cooper could "Fall" as low as being the 3rd WR off the board, come April.

Now, Im not saying it will happen, and it's just as likely that White or Parker will be the 3rd off the board... But considering Cooper was the consensus Best of the Crop, not to long back...

I say this only because I think it's perfectly conceivable that Cooper or White can go first, then the Vikings may opt on Parker over whoever wasnt drafted of Cooper/White, due the connection/familiarity of Parker and Teddy B.

Thoughts?

 

[jurb26]

Seems to me now, that there is a legit shot Cooper could "Fall" as low as being the 3rd WR off the board, come April.

Now, Im not saying it will happen, and it's just as likely that White or Parker will be the 3rd off the board... But considering Cooper was the consensus Best of the Crop, not to long back...

I say this only because I think it's perfectly conceivable that Cooper or White can go first, then the Vikings may opt on Parker over whoever wasnt drafted of Cooper/White, due the connection/familiarity of Parker and Teddy B.

Thoughts?

People love to talk about this college connection and familiarity of Bridgewater and Parker. Yet, we never seem to hear about the fact that Cooper went to high school with Bridgewater.

 

[Zyphros]

Seems to me now, that there is a legit shot Cooper could "Fall" as low as being the 3rd WR off the board, come April.

Now, Im not saying it will happen, and it's just as likely that White or Parker will be the 3rd off the board... But considering Cooper was the consensus Best of the Crop, not to long back...

I say this only because I think it's perfectly conceivable that Cooper or White can go first, then the Vikings may opt on Parker over whoever wasnt drafted of Cooper/White, due the connection/familiarity of Parker and Teddy B.

Thoughts?

I don't see why teams would care because it is a completely different system. The better prospect in the eyes of those NFL teams is taken, usually. The only example I can think of off the bat is Coby Fleener when the Colts drafted Luck.

 

[Xue]

Seems to me now, that there is a legit shot Cooper could "Fall" as low as being the 3rd WR off the board, come April.

Now, Im not saying it will happen, and it's just as likely that White or Parker will be the 3rd off the board... But considering Cooper was the consensus Best of the Crop, not to long back...

I say this only because I think it's perfectly conceivable that Cooper or White can go first, then the Vikings may opt on Parker over whoever wasnt drafted of Cooper/White, due the connection/familiarity of Parker and Teddy B.

Thoughts?

Bridgewater actually underutilized Parker outside of the Redzone in college. Parker didn't show the same kind of chemistry on timing routes like the quick slants with Bridgewater compared to Will Gardner. It's because Parker wasn't that good of a route runner until his Senior season. Bridgewater did have very good placement on jumpballs, though.

 

[DocHolliday]

I am still going with the order of Cooper, White, and Parker. It is a very close race though. All 3 should do well right out of the gate and have solid careers.

As a Raider fan, I do not care if Cooper or White is drafted. One of them needs to be drafted though. The Raider WR corp has been awful for many years. Their WR corp had to be in the race for the bottom in each of the last 5 years.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Patently ridiculous for the ffb world to be all up in ODB's butt as untradeable and odellicious in every way and not absolutely love Amari. He has the same route vocabulary if not the same hands and i've never seen a college WR beat as many "anybody but Cooper" defensive schemes. it aint close -

 

[JackReacher]

Seems to me now, that there is a legit shot Cooper could "Fall" as low as being the 3rd WR off the board, come April.

Now, Im not saying it will happen, and it's just as likely that White or Parker will be the 3rd off the board... But considering Cooper was the consensus Best of the Crop, not to long back...

I say this only because I think it's perfectly conceivable that Cooper or White can go first, then the Vikings may opt on Parker over whoever wasnt drafted of Cooper/White, due the connection/familiarity of Parker and Teddy B.

Thoughts?

People love to talk about this college connection and familiarity of Bridgewater and Parker. Yet, we never seem to hear about the fact that Cooper went to high school with Bridgewater.

Yep Northwestern

 

[Biabreakable]

I the Vikings draft Cooper or Parker it will be because they are the best player available, not because of past connections with Bridgewater.

I am surprised people have not learned anything from Al Davis and continue to over value straight line speed over all else.

 

[Soulfly3]

I the Vikings draft Cooper or Parker it will be because they are the best player available, not because of past connections with Bridgewater.

I am surprised people have not learned anything from Al Davis and continue to over value straight line speed over all else.

Are implying White is all "straight line speed"?

Worse, are you comparing Kevin White to DHB?

Just curious.

 

[Biabreakable]

I the Vikings draft Cooper or Parker it will be because they are the best player available, not because of past connections with Bridgewater.

I am surprised people have not learned anything from Al Davis and continue to over value straight line speed over all else.

Are implying White is all "straight line speed"?

Worse, are you comparing Kevin White to DHB?

Just curious.

No I am not.

But speed is the only thing I think White is better at than DeVante Parker in my opinion.

Al Davis is the best example I can think of for someone who values straight line speed over everything else.

What else do you think White is better at compared to Parker?

 

[Faust]

Video Link:

NFL Combine recap: Kevin White vs. Amari Cooper

 

[metoo]

I have all three pretty close but if any of them are drafted by the Jets they won't be on my team. Not that you care but I have the 4th pick.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I have all three pretty close but if any of them are drafted by the Jets they won't be on my team. Not that you care but I have the 4th pick.

that seems very short sighted. This season will be Genos last for sure if he dont improve.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

I have all three pretty close but if any of them are drafted by the Jets they won't be on my team. Not that you care but I have the 4th pick.

that seems very short sighted. This season will be Genos last for sure if he dont improve.

i get it though but i would be more worried about the browns.

 

[Biabreakable]

I the Vikings draft Cooper or Parker it will be because they are the best player available, not because of past connections with Bridgewater.

I am surprised people have not learned anything from Al Davis and continue to over value straight line speed over all else.

Are implying White is all "straight line speed"?

Worse, are you comparing Kevin White to DHB?

Just curious.

No I am not.

But speed is the only thing I think White is better at than DeVante Parker in my opinion.

Al Davis is the best example I can think of for someone who values straight line speed over everything else.

What else do you think White is better at compared to Parker?

 

[Soulfly3]

I the Vikings draft Cooper or Parker it will be because they are the best player available, not because of past connections with Bridgewater.

I am surprised people have not learned anything from Al Davis and continue to over value straight line speed over all else.

Are implying White is all "straight line speed"?

Worse, are you comparing Kevin White to DHB?

Just curious.

No I am not.

But speed is the only thing I think White is better at than DeVante Parker in my opinion.

Al Davis is the best example I can think of for someone who values straight line speed over everything else.

What else do you think White is better at compared to Parker?

Don't want to answer this yet...

Ive said multiple times I need to watch more of Parker before I put him in this category... He didnt play a ton last season, and I remember him being good 2 yrs back.. But I need to watch more tape before I give him more love.

But, I will say, the more I watch, the more impressed I am

 

[Faust]

Coaches, scouts disagree on Amari Cooper vs. Kevin White

 

[Sarlakticacid]

 

[Eminence]

I'm a Kevin White fan. He's the kind of guy I can see taking over a game. I think Cooper is extremely fundamental in the same realm as Michael Crabtree. Both will be excellent pros but Kevin White is the high upside guy.

When I see White, I see a bigger - more explosive Sammy Watkins.

 

[spider321]

I think Cooper is extremely fundamental in the same realm as Michael Crabtree.

I remember when I had never seen Cooper play, too!

 

[Eminence]

I think Cooper is extremely fundamental in the same realm as Michael Crabtree.

I remember when I had never seen Cooper play, too!

I watched his tape. Sherman would destroy this guy. Even Patrick Peterson would give him a run for his money.