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The General
Footballguy
Why is this in the Politics Forum?
I wondered too. I guess it'll be for a "keep the psf alive as ___% are paying subscribers" type thing.
That's not a factor. The reality is most people on the forums not only don't purchase a premium subscription but don't even care enough about Footballguys to receive the free email updates. It is what it is.
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Gopher State
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I was geniunely curious how the numbers stack up. It wasn't intended to be a gotcha. Obviously you have the overall numbers of subscribers to forum members (although I'm curious if you have taken into account alias accounts). I'm likely going to kick a long time customer of mine to the curb tomorrow because the headaches outweigh the amount of hours spent pleasing them. Had to tell another customer today that he may be better off with someone who might be a better fit for him. I won't leave over the PF being shut down. I also understand that it may be such a boat anchor that it's worth losing a handful of customers. If it's impacting the quality of the content, especially the projections, as a paying customer I do hope you shut it down. My number one concern is getting quality FF information (and I admit the subscriber contests), the forums are a very nice bonus.Joe Bryant said:I wondered too. I guess it'll be for a "keep the psf alive as ___% are paying subscribers" type thing.The General said:
That's not a factor. The reality is most people on the forums not only don't purchase a premium subscription but don't even care enough about Footballguys to receive the free email updates. It is what it is.
MT did a poll that was very enlightening. This is an odd group of people here. Libertarians outnumber Conservatives and the percentage of non-regelious people is extremely high. My gut feel was that there aren't many paying customers in the PF. I wanted to get a read on that before it closes (if it does). Curious how these numbers might compare to the FFA or the Shark Pool too.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I’ll admit I’ve never been a paid subscriber. I found the audible and began reading the boards. I’ve always appreciated the ability to contribute to the discussions. I had just started looking at the FFA when the PSF started.
I appreciate the psf. There are a lot of things I don’t consider or simply don’t know. I don’t see myself suddenly going to reddit or something to get the same information, or trying to filter through several different news sites to find it myself. I’m exposed to information I wouldn’t be otherwise, for better or worse.
I appreciate the psf. There are a lot of things I don’t consider or simply don’t know. I don’t see myself suddenly going to reddit or something to get the same information, or trying to filter through several different news sites to find it myself. I’m exposed to information I wouldn’t be otherwise, for better or worse.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
I always like when the results of two question polls don't jive.
Question 1: 27 people subscribe
Question 2: Now only 26 people subscribe
Question 1: 27 people subscribe
Question 2: Now only 26 people subscribe
supermike80
Footballguy
Wow..I totally forgot about the email updates...Gawd I remember getting those ages ago.Joe Bryant said:I wondered too. I guess it'll be for a "keep the psf alive as ___% are paying subscribers" type thing.
That's not a factor. The reality is most people on the forums not only don't purchase a premium subscription but don't even care enough about Footballguys to receive the free email updates. It is what it is.
timschochet
Footballguy
Of course.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Joe knows EVERYTHING about all of us.Life time subscription (but it says ex. 12/31/37 for some reason).
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Yes. Great content.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Where do you think the beta testing of this app was done?Joe knows EVERYTHING about all of us.Life time subscription (but it says ex. 12/31/37 for some reason
toshiba
Footballguy
Wow, dying on New Year's Eve, I have to imagine it will be a hell of a night. GL GB RIP!Life time subscription (but it says ex. 12/31/37 for some reason
E Street Brat
Footballguy
I did for years but not any longer. I still would if I played FF but I hardly even watch football anymore. I went back to watching hockey and racing pretty exclusively.
I did subscribe to Left Wing Lock for fantasy hockey.
I did subscribe to Left Wing Lock for fantasy hockey.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Van Dyman
Footballguy
With all due respect, lack of participation in the email thing might be misinterpreted. It's not necessarily a slight to the overall website. I subscribed for (I'm guessing) 10 years and loved the site content, tools, and boards. But the email updates just annoyed me. I would bet others feel the same. It's not for everybody, and doesn't necessarily indicate the bolded above.Joe Bryant said:I wondered too. I guess it'll be for a "keep the psf alive as ___% are paying subscribers" type thing.
That's not a factor. The reality is most people on the forums not only don't purchase a premium subscription but don't even care enough about Footballguys to receive the free email updates. It is what it is.
And, FWIW, if there were a mini-subscription that only offered access to the FFA and PSF, I'd pay for that.
The General
Footballguy
@Joe Bryant
Think this would be something. I'm sure this would be pretty small scale funds but money to be donated to charity or something. Just a thought.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Ah, yes, the ads. I had forgotten that part. Maybe that's the unspoken context of Joe's post above. If FBG makes a little side money on distributing ads via emails, that might explain getting perturbed at folks who use the message board but don't want the emails. Oops.
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Interesting. We have just a single ad per email. Where most competitors have ads throughout.Ah, yes, the ads. I had forgotten that part. Maybe that's the unspoken context of Joe's post above. If FBG makes a little side money on distributing ads via emails, that might explain getting perturbed at folks who use the message board but don't want the emails. Oops.
For the post above, there isn't anything "unspoken" and I'm pretty sure no one is "perturbed".
We have a little over 475,000 people who care enough about FBG to opt in and request the Daily Email Update. Those are by far our most likely customers for the premium content. Like most every internet business, our model is to offer free content in the hopes of earning their trust and demonstrating we're worth the money for our premium content. The primary way we do that is with our free info on the Daily Email Update.
Most of the people on the forum don't care enough about Footballguys business to be on the free Daily Email Update.
It's not a bad thing. It's just a fact.
Thanks. Several have asked that over the years.
No interest in ever doing it though as I want this to be community open to all and welcoming.
Plus the whining over suspended people wanting their money back would be unbearable.
We may someday look at an NFL forum that is only open to paying subscribers to the premium content but that would be a different thing.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Does the official FBG data on members versus subscribers change once you take out all of the aliases?
GoBirds
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
To the bolded, I'll admit that I no longer subscribe nor get the emails, but it's not that I don't care about FBG. I want you guys to do well. I just don't care about FF anymore. I stopped playing several years ago when it became more work than fun. Heck, I don't even watch more than a few minutes of the Vikings games each week because I have other stuff going on. If I still played FF or even paid much attention to the NFL, I'd absolutely have a subscription to the premium content and/or be on the daily emails. Even though I don't, I still think FBG is great and want you guys to have a successful business.
The bolded struck me as if you think that we don't care if you succeed, which is probably not what you're saying. Just know that I, and probably many others that use the forums, still care in the sense that I want you guys to be successful, even if we no longer subscribe.
proteus126
Footballguy
Subscriber for about 7 years. Not for the past few as FFB interest has waned. Too much injury-related luck wore me down, though I still manage a team for group integrity (and won the league last year
). Still an avid fantasy baseball participant. I must be getting lucky with my SPs.
). Still an avid fantasy baseball participant. I must be getting lucky with my SPs.
Oh for sure. No worries there. When I say care, I mean care about purchasing a Footballguys Premium subscription. And to be fair, the overwhelming vast majority of the world doesn't care about a FBG subscription. I totally get that.
I don't think anyone at all would wish us anything but success. Most everyone here realizes the only way the forums are here is if Footballguys sells enough Premium Subscriptions to stay a viable business. So I think they all clearly understand if they like the forums, they want the Footballguys business to succeed.
All good good there.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
How about a donation option? I mean, now that I think about it I could just subscribe again and not use it but I care so little about FF now that I don't ever think about it. However, it would be good to have a mechanism to see how many people care enough about the forums to actually pay for them - even via a donation.
dkp993
Footballguy
Now I'm really scared about signing up for life. Not sure I want to know when it's going to happen. :(I'm sorry Buddy.Life time subscription (but it says ex. 12/31/37 for some reason
belljr
Footballguy
This year I've been using the 5/10-second Primer feature like I always have (since its been around) or the "MY WEEKLY CHEATSHEET (INSEASON)" thingAwful year for the guys this year imo. Usually do well Primer -- not this year
And every year its been "on the money" for the most part.
This year the recommended starts are being outscored by my other players on a regular basis.
So "the guys" are having a tough year this year with their suggestions....
Wasn't meant as a knock as I know its not an exact science - just compared to previous years, for me this has been a tough year ...
Sorry if it came across as a dig... it wasn't meant as one
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You said,
So you do subscribe now or you "used to" but now don't because it's "too expensive" and you care so little about FF?
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belljr
Footballguy
Sorry was multitasking
I used to always buy the multi-year packages.
now I feel it's too expensive for how little I care about fantasy football but
I waited and the price dropped to subscribe this year.
So yes I currently have it but it wasn't until the price dropped.
Ok. Yes, once the season starts we have a discounted price for the people that missed the Draft Content and missed an entry into the $35,000 contest.
It's definitely not worth it for everyone. For sure it's likely not worth it to people who care little about Fantasy Football.
It's been a challenging year some guys like Odell Beckham underperforming while guys like DJ Chark are near the top. But that's pretty much how the league goes. It's always tough picking the start / bench guys week to week but by and large, we've been hitting those better than ever. Hope it turns around for you.
KCitons
Footballguy
This is probably the biggest issue for me. (that, and I only play in one league nowadays, instead of the 5 or 6 leagues of years past). We draft so early in the year. (2 weeks after NFL draft). It's difficult to find information that early. So, I've gotten used to going it alone.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Yes, since the first year they started charging for content. IIRC, Joe and/or David asked how many people would subscribe if they started charging. Been doing FFL since before there was an internet as we know it. Earliest memories of on-line content was The Huddle and Cheatsheets.net. Both were free.
I still love Draft Dominator and use some weekly content regularly.
I still love Draft Dominator and use some weekly content regularly.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
You're welcome. I'd hope most people would understand enough to know how things are. I don't do pissy.
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