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Art Shell Out In Oakland (1 Viewer)
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wickster33
Footballguy
Lamont Jordan's value skyrockets, Kevin Jones sinks like a stone. Some huge fantasy implications here
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Not Allowed In Mexico
fixed.
toxicbees
Footballguy
kaso
Footballguy
I am not sure what to feel about this....
Gr00vus
Footballguy
You'd feel like a .500 team as long as he's head coach.
Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
So the Raiders would improve significantly under Jim Fassel?Gr00vus said:
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Being a recovered Raider fan (started weening myself off this bad habit when they moved to LA), I still follow the Raiders closely, like a rubber necker driving by a train wreck. 
While the knee jerk FF reaction would be excitement if the Raiders hired Martz, I can say with no doubt in my mind it just would be another train wreck waiting to happen. While Martz’s background as a offensive guru would seem to be just the remedy for this sorry franchise, his track record on discipline and as his river boat gambler mentality would offset any “X” and “O” he brings to the table. Martz is the exact opposite of what the Raiders need to turn the Franchise around. Martz’s hiring would insure that the Raiders continue to be “the dumbest team in America,” committing stupid penalty after stupid penalty, putting themselves in situations to lose games.
In the last 15 years or so the only coach to have experienced success with this franchise was Gruden. Offensively, he dragged the franchise into the 21st century, and more importantly his personality allowed him rise above Al Davis’ shadow and demanded discipline from the players. If the Raiders do not hire a coach with a strong personality that has a history of emphasizing discipline ALONG with embracing a west coast still offense, the results will ultimately be the same. And ultimately that type of situation does not bode well for FF production.
While the knee jerk FF reaction would be excitement if the Raiders hired Martz, I can say with no doubt in my mind it just would be another train wreck waiting to happen. While Martz’s background as a offensive guru would seem to be just the remedy for this sorry franchise, his track record on discipline and as his river boat gambler mentality would offset any “X” and “O” he brings to the table. Martz is the exact opposite of what the Raiders need to turn the Franchise around. Martz’s hiring would insure that the Raiders continue to be “the dumbest team in America,” committing stupid penalty after stupid penalty, putting themselves in situations to lose games.
In the last 15 years or so the only coach to have experienced success with this franchise was Gruden. Offensively, he dragged the franchise into the 21st century, and more importantly his personality allowed him rise above Al Davis’ shadow and demanded discipline from the players. If the Raiders do not hire a coach with a strong personality that has a history of emphasizing discipline ALONG with embracing a west coast still offense, the results will ultimately be the same. And ultimately that type of situation does not bode well for FF production.
Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
Martz's career hc record is 53-32. That looks pretty ####### nice from where I sit as a raider fan.Being a recovered Raider fan (started weening myself off this bad habit when they moved to LA), I still follow the Raiders closely, like a rubber necker driving by a train wreck.
massraider
Footballguy
So he has to be a discipline guy, and a WCO guy?Sorry, I disagree with you.Being a recovered Raider fan (started weening myself off this bad habit when they moved to LA), I still follow the Raiders closely, like a rubber necker driving by a train wreck.While the knee jerk FF reaction would be excitement if the Raiders hired Martz, I can say with no doubt in my mind it just would be another train wreck waiting to happen. While Martz’s background as a offensive guru would seem to be just the remedy for this sorry franchise, his track record on discipline and as his river boat gambler mentality would offset any “X” and “O” he brings to the table. Martz is the exact opposite of what the Raiders need to turn the Franchise around. Martz’s hiring would insure that the Raiders continue to be “the dumbest team in America,” committing stupid penalty after stupid penalty, putting themselves in situations to lose games.In the last 15 years or so the only coach to have experienced success with this franchise was Gruden. Offensively, he dragged the franchise into the 21st century, and more importantly his personality allowed him rise above Al Davis’ shadow and demanded discipline from the players. If the Raiders do not hire a coach with a strong personality that has a history of emphasizing discipline ALONG with embracing a west coast still offense, the results will ultimately be the same. And ultimately that type of situation does not bode well for FF production.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Given a couple of years, I think they probably would, but I don't think he could get them back to the top either. He wouldn't be the most exciting choice, but he wouldn't be the worst one. Probably wouldn't cost that much too.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
No argument regarding Martz record, but Art Shell's record was pretty respectable before this last run as the Raiders HC. Also, the Raiders do not have a player anywhere near the caliber of Marshall Faulk on their roster.
And, no, not a WCO guy per se, but at least have a philosophy that consists of more than a 7 step drop and an off tackle run.
Again, the biggest prerequisites are a strong personality, with an emphasis on discipline and a modern offensive philosophy.
And, no, not a WCO guy per se, but at least have a philosophy that consists of more than a 7 step drop and an off tackle run.
Again, the biggest prerequisites are a strong personality, with an emphasis on discipline and a modern offensive philosophy.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
As a Moss owner in my dynasty league. I hope they somehow get Martz so he can open up this offence!
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
50 years ago....
massraider
Footballguy
The most respectable writer covering the Raiders, in terms of actually having an idea what they may do, thinks Sark is getting the job.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/
Sarkisian closes in
Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Saturday at 8:57 pm
At some point in the near future, possibly this week, expect Steve Sarkisian to be named head coach of the Oakland Raiders.
Call it educated speculation, which is better than an outright guess, but something less than an a multi-sourced news story stripped across the top of a sports page.
Sarkisian did so well in his interview Monday one league source told me he thought Al Davis offered him the job then and there, although he also told me I'd better check it out before going with it.
Another source has told me on two separate occasions this week Sarkisian was the leading candidate, after both the Jim Fassel and Rob Ryan interviews.
Neither of these sources have spoken directly to Davis, but their information is usually reliable.
Sarkisian, in recent days, has gone underground. There are people I've talked to in Southern California who rarely have a problem reaching him, but now can't get him to return a phone call.
Open and chatty following his interview Monday with Medianews reporter Steve Corkran, Sarkisian is now unavailable.
Call me overly cynical, but it sounds to me like Sarkisian is acting in a way befitting a coach of the Oakland Raiders. Someone told him to zip it regarding his candidacy. He may have even been told to save it all for his press conference.
I'm sure you'll all let me know if and when I'm wrong.
In theory, and in accordance with the league's "Rooney Rule,'' the Raiders are required at least one personal interview with a minority candidate.
You wonder how Davis feels about this. I'm guessing Davis is wondering who in the hell would ever have the nerve to demand that he interview a minority candidate. You can question and criticize Davis on many issues, but this is not one of them.
If the rest of the ownership was as enlightened as Davis in terms of minority hires, there wouldn't be any need for a "Rooney Rule.''
I did a lengthy story on former Raider Art Powell in training camp, detailing stands Powell took on Civil Rights issues, refusing to play in games in the deep south during the 1960s.
Powell got cut from the Philadelphia Eagles because he wouldn't stay in a hotel separate from his white teammates in Virginia. He refused to play in preseason games in the deep South in the American Football League.
Powell had run-ins with coaches and the white establishment. But Powell said Davis told him, "Don't let people try and put it in your head that you should change. There's nothing wrong with you.''
Davis said this in the 1960s, when it wasn't trendy or politically correct.
So for the league to insist Davis interview a minority candidate when he may have already decided on someone else is, well, a joke. Putting a coach through a dog-and-pony show interview when that candidate has no chance to get the job isn't fair to Davis or the candidate.
There were no rules when Davis drafted Eldridge Dickey, a black quarterback out of Tennessee State, in the first round of the 1968 draft. There was, in fact, an unwritten rule of sorts that blacks couldn't play quarterback.
There weren't any rules in place when Davis hired Shell, or the first Hispanic head coach in Tom Flores.
If Davis wants Sarkisian, I wouldnt blame him if he simply hired him and then dared the NFL to fine him. It's not like he hasn't fought the league before.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/
Sarkisian closes in
Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Saturday at 8:57 pm
At some point in the near future, possibly this week, expect Steve Sarkisian to be named head coach of the Oakland Raiders.
Call it educated speculation, which is better than an outright guess, but something less than an a multi-sourced news story stripped across the top of a sports page.
Sarkisian did so well in his interview Monday one league source told me he thought Al Davis offered him the job then and there, although he also told me I'd better check it out before going with it.
Another source has told me on two separate occasions this week Sarkisian was the leading candidate, after both the Jim Fassel and Rob Ryan interviews.
Neither of these sources have spoken directly to Davis, but their information is usually reliable.
Sarkisian, in recent days, has gone underground. There are people I've talked to in Southern California who rarely have a problem reaching him, but now can't get him to return a phone call.
Open and chatty following his interview Monday with Medianews reporter Steve Corkran, Sarkisian is now unavailable.
Call me overly cynical, but it sounds to me like Sarkisian is acting in a way befitting a coach of the Oakland Raiders. Someone told him to zip it regarding his candidacy. He may have even been told to save it all for his press conference.
I'm sure you'll all let me know if and when I'm wrong.
In theory, and in accordance with the league's "Rooney Rule,'' the Raiders are required at least one personal interview with a minority candidate.
You wonder how Davis feels about this. I'm guessing Davis is wondering who in the hell would ever have the nerve to demand that he interview a minority candidate. You can question and criticize Davis on many issues, but this is not one of them.
If the rest of the ownership was as enlightened as Davis in terms of minority hires, there wouldn't be any need for a "Rooney Rule.''
I did a lengthy story on former Raider Art Powell in training camp, detailing stands Powell took on Civil Rights issues, refusing to play in games in the deep south during the 1960s.
Powell got cut from the Philadelphia Eagles because he wouldn't stay in a hotel separate from his white teammates in Virginia. He refused to play in preseason games in the deep South in the American Football League.
Powell had run-ins with coaches and the white establishment. But Powell said Davis told him, "Don't let people try and put it in your head that you should change. There's nothing wrong with you.''
Davis said this in the 1960s, when it wasn't trendy or politically correct.
So for the league to insist Davis interview a minority candidate when he may have already decided on someone else is, well, a joke. Putting a coach through a dog-and-pony show interview when that candidate has no chance to get the job isn't fair to Davis or the candidate.
There were no rules when Davis drafted Eldridge Dickey, a black quarterback out of Tennessee State, in the first round of the 1968 draft. There was, in fact, an unwritten rule of sorts that blacks couldn't play quarterback.
There weren't any rules in place when Davis hired Shell, or the first Hispanic head coach in Tom Flores.
If Davis wants Sarkisian, I wouldnt blame him if he simply hired him and then dared the NFL to fine him. It's not like he hasn't fought the league before.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
I like the move, although it's surprising (to me) Jim Mora didn't get a sit down. He was reportedly interested in the job.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Shell's Raiders consistently crumbled when faced with real competition. His record in LA looks good on paper, and that's about it.
massraider
Footballguy
I don't think a defensive guy was ever really a consideration.Al's gonna hand over the offense to the kid, and the kid'll let Ryan play with his defensive toys.I wanna know who's gonna coach the O-line, because I have a feeling most of the improvement will have to come from within.
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