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shadyridr
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Turns out Torre never said that and that the reporter from Reuters may have misquoted him. Torre said he was asked if anybody on the team would be able to play CF and Torre said ARod, Jeter, and Mariano would all be athletic enough to play CF. He even said Mariano would be the best one out there but the reporter conveniently forgot to mention that.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
how many wins do you think the Mets have picked up for the money they've shelled out? Is that enough?I can't say I'm ecstatic about the Yankees prospects in the immediate future, but the free agent market was very thin this year, and didn't necessarily address the needs the Yankees have. That the Mets have signed this many big contracts in such a market is surprising.
well Wagner had 38 saves last year and Looper had 28, Looper also had twice as many blown saves. Not only do we get a huge upgrade at closer, the Phillies lose one of th etop closers in the game and he stays away form Atl. Looper also had the Benetiz gene of especially blowing the big game. If Looper didn't suck eggs the Mets woudl have swept the Yanks at Yankee Stadium. He also blew the save when teh Mets were 1 game out of the wild card, after which the wheels came off.Delgado was the best 1B option for the Mets out there. He replaces a platoon at 1B last year for the MEts that was dead last or close to last in every offensive category.how many wins do you think the Mets have picked up for the money they've shelled out? Is that enough?I can't say I'm ecstatic about the Yankees prospects in the immediate future, but the free agent market was very thin this year, and didn't necessarily address the needs the Yankees have. That the Mets have signed this many big contracts in such a market is surprising.
If they stay healthy I think that translates into 8-10 more wins.
The Mets finally did it right. Go spend the money on the A1 names, instead of dishing out 80% less cash for players down a tier or two.
I dont' even really care about a new catcher. If they can trade the depth in th eback of their rotation and then try and get #2/#3 starter. I really think the Mets haev to be among the top 4 teams in the NL.
shadyridr
Footballguy
The Yankees are starting to realize they need to keep their prospects and stop signing old free agents. This is what Ive been begging them to do for the last few years. They gonna build the team like the teams of the late 90s using the minors. Whats fo funny about that? We won 4 championships like that. GB having NYCelt on ignore but it doesnt work when someone else quotes his ####### stupidity.
That could take a few years since the Yankee system has feck all in it.
so Shady "loves" the "non-move" of not getting BJ Ryan.
The Yankee downturn began in Game 5 of the ALCS 2 years ago. Sure going down from a couple of WS in a row isn't necessarily the fall of the Roman Empire. But I could see the Yankees missing the playoffs for a few years, maybe 3 of the next 5 years.
Based on what?
As usual, Dave Pinto has excellent insights into this very question:
Finally, FWIW, getting younger for the sake of getting younger is not a good idea. Bubba Crosby has a (very limited) career OPS+ of 46. 46. Think about that. Andy Phillips is a good role player and not a bad guy to have around, I guess. But we are not talking about Delmon Young and Conor Jackson here, folks.The fact that some are openly lobbying for these two to be starters on the New York Yankees is, quite frankly, astounding to me.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Based on me watching him play. He is a very good defensive CFer with great range and goes all out on every play. His aggresive nature actually cost the Yankees in Game 5 of the ALDS but in the long run aggresive defense will help the team far more than passive, slow defense.And Im not openly lobbying for both these guys to be starters. I have said that I doubt Phillips does much as I dont think hes a very good player and Crosby will proably never hit in the big leagues. But Id rather the Yanks be patient and plug these guys into the holes they have until someone better comes along (either a younger FA or a developed minor leaguer) instead of signing some aging veteran who'll increase their payroll and who wont help them out much beyond this year. The Yanks could wait to see if Cabrera and Duncan can develop into a good CF and 1B respectively instead of clogging those positions with stopgaps which theyve done the last few years.
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I've mentioned this before. You have Duncan who will not be relied on offensively for next year, sitting in the minors and ARod waiting to move back to SS. Jeter is a natural athlete and goes after flyballs like WR's going after bombs. This move is akin to Robin Yount in Milwaukee. I can't see how this move doesn't work.how many wins do you think the Mets have picked up for the money they've shelled out? Is that enough?I can't say I'm ecstatic about the Yankees prospects in the immediate future, but the free agent market was very thin this year, and didn't necessarily address the needs the Yankees have. That the Mets have signed this many big contracts in such a market is surprising.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Big signing, Philles agree to terms with Abraham Nunez. 
exactly, this continues the spending/new philosphy that start last year. Obviosly you don't know much abou the Mets. They have a history of letting the A1 players demanding top money go (Vlad, Arod, even back to Mussina) and instead get the guys down a level or two and pay 75% of the money the top guys wanted (Cameron, Zeile, Appier, etc.). So keep rolling your eyes champ. I never said they were acquiring bargain bin players in the past. The reason why they had a big payroll and sucked is because they would shy away form the top players and overpaid aging players beyond their day instead.Yeah, it must've been tough to watch them get low-budget guys like Pedro, Beltran, and Glavine.
But then Omar came home....
JohnDoe
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bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
I never want to see John Flaherty or his .165 BA again.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Why not Don Slaught? Or Geno Petralli?
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
As oposed to Gordon, who had lost a step from his peak and didn't have a good end of last season?I like this move.
I'm not sure if you can linearly add wins over replacement, but if so Farnsworth AL and NL numbers combined trump Gordon's. The levrage number seems to indicate that Gordon was pitching in more crucial situations though.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
Don't tempt me!
ThisGuy
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Oh, the writer who "broke" the story certainly twisted words. If Jeter were to go to Torre and Cashman and say, "Put me in Centerfield, coach" is the only way it would happen.
Jeter has earned the right to stay at SS. Any 6-Time All Star, Former ROY, 4-Time WS Champ, WS-MVP, AS MVP, player who has finished in the Top 7 in hits every season he's played at least 120 games(2003 is the exception 119 games: due to injury) has certainly earned that right.
Big Log
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Brian Giles has opted against the Toronto Blue Jays and has reached a preliminary agreement to re-sign with the San Diego Padres for $30 million US over three years. Edited to include the link - Giles to stay in SD..
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
Rumor on Philly sports radio has Jason Michaels for Carl Pavano.ETA: Also heard Abreu, Lieberthal for Pavano, Posada, Duncan.
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The 2nd trade make no sense for both teams either.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Hey I don't really believe it either, just reporting what I heard. But some of you guys are acting like Pavano is a HOF. It's not a young Roger Clemens we're talking about here, let's no over value a guy just because he's a Yankee. He's had one good year.
Actually, I agree with 4xChamp on this. And Jason Michaels, IMO, is extremely undervalued by a lot of folks. .400 OBP .814 OPS. (FWIW, Johnny Damon's OPS last year was .805). One of my favorite random players in baseball. Before the off-season started, my guess would have been the Red Sox would try and trade for him to be their everyday CF, or at least to platoon with Nixon (Michaels had a .435 OBP and .845 OPS vs. LHP). Oh, and he made $880,000 last year.
He's good.
EDIT: Spelling.
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
He was a closer with 25 saves in AAA, IIRC.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Sign a 38 year old has-been for 18 million?If you're going to lose a stud like Wagner, don't try to spend money to replace him with a mediocre player. Grow the mediocre player, and spend the money to upgrade elsewhere.
Kneejerk move, and a bad one.
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