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Benson Is Terrible (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter TD5150
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is that an upgrade or a downgrade? and where does "teh suck" fit in this scale?
flapgreen
Footballguy
How did this happen? I still have him at "blowing".
flapgreen
Footballguy
I can't remember.
patriarchz
Footballguy
I think we all know he stinks. Bring back TJ!
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Thanks Knights that say NiKnight who says Ni said:
I do not agree with this opinion. Benson was banged up some early in the year and the team clearly had some issues not liking him but Thomas Jones is pedestrian as well. Here are their yearly stats:Benson 157 carries 647 yards 4.12 YPC and 6 TD's
Jones 297 carries 1205 yds 4.06 YPC and 6 td's TJ had 100 more yards receiving as well.
Now I don't see how this shows anything other than TJ getting the rock more than Benson.
Now if you look at the last 7 games of the year Benson was showing that he may be the better back.
Benson 88 carries 432 yds 4.91 YPC
Jones 107 carries 375 yds 3.50 YPC
If anything Benson was playing better at the end of the year. To be fair, the 1st week in the playoffs both players played about the same (Benson slightly better), but TJ was far more effective against NO and Benson got knocked out in the SB.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
According to JB he did, and that's all that counts 'round these parts.
Max Power
Footballguy
As a Bears fan, I can tell you that those stats dont tell the whole story. Benson saw a good amount of work late in the games after one of the teams had no chance to come back. Its not as hard to get 6-7 yards a carry late in the game when teams have nothing to play for.Thomas Jones was by far the better back.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
The only one left is Ryan 21, he think Benson is way better than Eddie George in his prime and thinks Bensons poop don't stink, if he performs bad it's all the o-line, playcalling, qb, wrs, bears defense, anything but Benson himself. If you argue with him he'll call you a "tardo, troll" etc;Max Power said:
The_Head_Ape
Footballguy
TD5150 -- how did your team end up?
Did you end up having a giant firesale of all of your players for the second year in a row?
Did you end up having a giant firesale of all of your players for the second year in a row?
flapgreen
Footballguy
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Eddie George was fantastic. Borderline HOF. On another team, he may have had better numbers.Cedric Benson right now looks like he may not even start next year.The only one left is Ryan 21, he think Benson is way better than Eddie George in his prime and thinks Bensons poop don't stink, if he performs bad it's all the o-line, playcalling, qb, wrs, bears defense, anything but Benson himself. If you argue with him he'll call you a "tardo, troll" etc;Max Power said:
flapgreen
Footballguy
Not his faultEddie George was fantastic. Borderline HOF. On another team, he may have had better numbers.Cedric Benson right now looks like he may not even start next year.The only one left is Ryan 21, he think Benson is way better than Eddie George in his prime and thinks Bensons poop don't stink, if he performs bad it's all the o-line, playcalling, qb, wrs, bears defense, anything but Benson himself. If you argue with him he'll call you a "tardo, troll" etc;Max Power said:
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Not his faultEddie George was fantastic. Borderline HOF. On another team, he may have had better numbers.Cedric Benson right now looks like he may not even start next year.The only one left is Ryan 21, he think Benson is way better than Eddie George in his prime and thinks Bensons poop don't stink, if he performs bad it's all the o-line, playcalling, qb, wrs, bears defense, anything but Benson himself. If you argue with him he'll call you a "tardo, troll" etc;Max Power said:
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
I love your attempt to be patronizing despite your inferior argument. Everything about the situation displays that Eddie was a great player and Benson is below average. Even if everything you are arguing is true, then "3.7" yards a carry and 30 catches is above Benson's pace this year. He is averaging 3.0 yards a carry, dude. Can you name 3 starting RBs in NFL history that have rushed at least 178 times and had a YPC that low? Honestly? Eddie George was a dominating, physical runner that played in 4 Pro Bowls. He had over 12,500 combined yards in his career, along with almost 80 TDs. His average YPC and yards per reception in his prime dwarf Benson's. Your argument just doesn't hold weight, and I don't see too many possible reasons for your perception to be that inaccurate.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Not his faultEddie George was fantastic. Borderline HOF. On another team, he may have had better numbers.Cedric Benson right now looks like he may not even start next year.The only one left is Ryan 21, he think Benson is way better than Eddie George in his prime and thinks Bensons poop don't stink, if he performs bad it's all the o-line, playcalling, qb, wrs, bears defense, anything but Benson himself. If you argue with him he'll call you a "tardo, troll" etc;Max Power said:
flapgreen
Footballguy
His O-line bro, it's awful. Benson's a perennial pro bowler if he was on the All Madden team on easy mode.Not his faultEddie George was fantastic. Borderline HOF. On another team, he may have had better numbers.Cedric Benson right now looks like he may not even start next year.The only one left is Ryan 21, he think Benson is way better than Eddie George in his prime and thinks Bensons poop don't stink, if he performs bad it's all the o-line, playcalling, qb, wrs, bears defense, anything but Benson himself. If you argue with him he'll call you a "tardo, troll" etc;Max Power said:
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Benson happy with QB switch
By Vaughn McClure
Tribune staff reporter
November 15, 2007, 8:14 PM CST
No player in the Bears locker room, outside of wide receiver Bernard Berrian, might benefit more from Rex Grossman's return than Cedric Benson. That could explain why the running back was so cheery Thursday as he talked about his quarterback.
"Positive vibes having him back there," Benson said. "He's the guy we started the show with, and he does bring a different feel to the game than Brian [Griese]. So it will be good to see what that provides for us."
By Vaughn McClure
Tribune staff reporter
November 15, 2007, 8:14 PM CST
No player in the Bears locker room, outside of wide receiver Bernard Berrian, might benefit more from Rex Grossman's return than Cedric Benson. That could explain why the running back was so cheery Thursday as he talked about his quarterback.
"Positive vibes having him back there," Benson said. "He's the guy we started the show with, and he does bring a different feel to the game than Brian [Griese]. So it will be good to see what that provides for us."
Benson not worrying about job security even though Bears running game remains stuck
By ANDREW SELIGMAN, AP Sports Writer
November 15, 2007
LAKE FOREST, Ill. (AP) -- The black ski hat on Cedric Benson's head could have been mistaken for a black cloud, given the way this season has gone.
Benson is frustrated. But if he's worried about losing his job, the Chicago Bears running back isn't saying. "That's not really my area to worry," Benson said Thursday.
The running game is a big area of concern for the Bears (4-5).
They just switched quarterbacks again, going back to Rex Grossman, which raises the question of whether they'll stick with Benson. Then again, what choice do they have?
Adrian Peterson, a backup with just 30 carries this season? Rookie Garrett Wolfe, with a grand total of six attempts?
The Bears were counting on Benson to deliver on the potential that made him the No. 4 pick in 2005 and justify the trade that sent Thomas Jones to the New York Jets in the offseason. Instead, the running game remains stuck.
If ever there was a game that seemed perfect for a breakout it was last week at Oakland, but Chicago managed just 78 yards facing a defense that ranked 30th against the run.
Benson?
He had 28 carries for 72 yards, and the Bears continued to scratch their heads. It was just his third game with more than 19 attempts, but instead of wearing out the defense, he may have taken another step toward wearing out his welcome.
Benson's 3.0 yards per attempt and 59.8 per game are among the worst in the league. Cincinnati's Rudi Johnson (2.6) and Green Bay's Brandon Jackson (2.5) are the only running backs with at least 47 carries averaging less. Just once has Benson reached the 100-yard mark, when he ran for 101 against Kansas City in Week 2.
"In the grand scheme of things, just us not being able to get into the flow of the offense, get a good groove like we had going last year, that's been frustrating," Benson said.
The running back who appeared to get stronger as last season wore on, plowing over opponents, hasn't shown up. He has spent long stretches on the sideline, and when he's not being ignored, he's not making a strong case for a bigger role.
Seventy-one running backs have broken off runs of 17 yards or more, and none of them are Bears.
Breakdowns on a once-dominant offensive line aren't helping matters.
"We're just not very good at running the ball right now," center Olin Kreutz said. "The way to improve it is everybody works on it, but we've been saying that for a long time now. So what do we have to do? If we knew, we would have done it. We're working hard at it. It's not showing in games right now. We're pretty bad at running the ball. We recognize that, we're embarrassed by it."
While doing that, the Bears voiced their support for Grossman, who got benched after the third game but is now getting a second chance.
He came in after veteran Brian Griese went down with a sprained left (non-throwing) shoulder against Oakland and threw a go-ahead 59-yard touchdown pass to Bernard Berrian to lead the Bears to a 17-6 victory.
Coach Lovie Smith said that Grossman would start this week at Seattle. On Thursday, he said he had not decided who the No. 2 quarterback would be. That could mean that Kyle Orton -- not Griese -- will be the backup.
Either way, the ball will be in Grossman's hands.
"He's taken a lot of criticism, a lot of beatings and hasn't cried or whined about it," Kreutz said.
There were "beatings" last season when he struggled after a strong start, and his brutal beginning this year brought on more shots. Instead of finding the consistency the Bears envisioned, Grossman found himself on the sideline after throwing six interceptions and one touchdown as the Bears started 1-2.
"We believe we can win with Rex at quarterback and we do have the confidence in him, but that being said, we have the same confidence in Griese," Kreutz said.
Added linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer: "We've got all the confidence in the world he can do a great job."
Their confidence in the running game is shaken, and their options seem limited.
The Bears don't have an experienced backup awaiting his turn or the starter from last season's Super Bowl run hoping for another shot.
"It's only difficult and frustrating when you think about it more than you should," Benson said. "It's going to come. It's going to correct. I don't know how to explain it or what better way to put it."
By ANDREW SELIGMAN, AP Sports Writer
November 15, 2007
LAKE FOREST, Ill. (AP) -- The black ski hat on Cedric Benson's head could have been mistaken for a black cloud, given the way this season has gone.
Benson is frustrated. But if he's worried about losing his job, the Chicago Bears running back isn't saying. "That's not really my area to worry," Benson said Thursday.
The running game is a big area of concern for the Bears (4-5).
They just switched quarterbacks again, going back to Rex Grossman, which raises the question of whether they'll stick with Benson. Then again, what choice do they have?
Adrian Peterson, a backup with just 30 carries this season? Rookie Garrett Wolfe, with a grand total of six attempts?
The Bears were counting on Benson to deliver on the potential that made him the No. 4 pick in 2005 and justify the trade that sent Thomas Jones to the New York Jets in the offseason. Instead, the running game remains stuck.
If ever there was a game that seemed perfect for a breakout it was last week at Oakland, but Chicago managed just 78 yards facing a defense that ranked 30th against the run.
Benson?
He had 28 carries for 72 yards, and the Bears continued to scratch their heads. It was just his third game with more than 19 attempts, but instead of wearing out the defense, he may have taken another step toward wearing out his welcome.
Benson's 3.0 yards per attempt and 59.8 per game are among the worst in the league. Cincinnati's Rudi Johnson (2.6) and Green Bay's Brandon Jackson (2.5) are the only running backs with at least 47 carries averaging less. Just once has Benson reached the 100-yard mark, when he ran for 101 against Kansas City in Week 2.
"In the grand scheme of things, just us not being able to get into the flow of the offense, get a good groove like we had going last year, that's been frustrating," Benson said.
The running back who appeared to get stronger as last season wore on, plowing over opponents, hasn't shown up. He has spent long stretches on the sideline, and when he's not being ignored, he's not making a strong case for a bigger role.
Seventy-one running backs have broken off runs of 17 yards or more, and none of them are Bears.
Breakdowns on a once-dominant offensive line aren't helping matters.
"We're just not very good at running the ball right now," center Olin Kreutz said. "The way to improve it is everybody works on it, but we've been saying that for a long time now. So what do we have to do? If we knew, we would have done it. We're working hard at it. It's not showing in games right now. We're pretty bad at running the ball. We recognize that, we're embarrassed by it."
While doing that, the Bears voiced their support for Grossman, who got benched after the third game but is now getting a second chance.
He came in after veteran Brian Griese went down with a sprained left (non-throwing) shoulder against Oakland and threw a go-ahead 59-yard touchdown pass to Bernard Berrian to lead the Bears to a 17-6 victory.
Coach Lovie Smith said that Grossman would start this week at Seattle. On Thursday, he said he had not decided who the No. 2 quarterback would be. That could mean that Kyle Orton -- not Griese -- will be the backup.
Either way, the ball will be in Grossman's hands.
"He's taken a lot of criticism, a lot of beatings and hasn't cried or whined about it," Kreutz said.
There were "beatings" last season when he struggled after a strong start, and his brutal beginning this year brought on more shots. Instead of finding the consistency the Bears envisioned, Grossman found himself on the sideline after throwing six interceptions and one touchdown as the Bears started 1-2.
"We believe we can win with Rex at quarterback and we do have the confidence in him, but that being said, we have the same confidence in Griese," Kreutz said.
Added linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer: "We've got all the confidence in the world he can do a great job."
Their confidence in the running game is shaken, and their options seem limited.
The Bears don't have an experienced backup awaiting his turn or the starter from last season's Super Bowl run hoping for another shot.
"It's only difficult and frustrating when you think about it more than you should," Benson said. "It's going to come. It's going to correct. I don't know how to explain it or what better way to put it."
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BusterTBronco
Footballguy
They can change the title. It don't change the FACT of the matter.
Benson Blows.
Benson Blows.
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
I'm not a Bears fan so I don't really know the answer to this question, but how much of Benson's struggles can be placed on himself as a runner? Thomas Jones, who everyone agrees is leagues better Benson, is only averaging 67.3 ypg with the Jets - marginally better than Bensons' 59.8. With the Jets, the line has not been opening holes well and opposing defenses do not fear the passing game; I suspect the Bears are in a similar situation.
Ni?
Ni?
It's not just the numbers, which are gawdawful in thier own right, but it's the way he looks when running. This does not look at all like the kid from Texas. Yes, he had huge holes, great line, whatever... at Texas, but he also showed some flash. He showed an ability to make things happen once he got to the second level. Now, he doesn't even look capable of getting to the second level to make things happen. It isn't just his line, he is indicisive, very little quickness, and shows little power. Granted, I was a Benson slappy before the year, but I've watched a fair amount of his games, and to me, he looks terrible. As I've said before, he may show flashes of the back he is capable of being, but he has no idea how to do it consistantly. Unless he has a miracle turn-around during these last 7 games, I can't imagine how the Bears can go into next year with him as the primary ball carrier. Sad.
Milwaukees_best
Footballguy
Stick with him. With Grossman back the running game is going to start opening up. Its good that he isnt panicing. Its good that he still has confidence. Its good that he isnt complaining about the OLINE who bears just as much responsibility.
Right now in my opinion, Benson is saying all the right things. He is going to finish the season strong. He got into the end zone last week and this trend will continue. I think that things are looking up for the Bears.
Right now in my opinion, Benson is saying all the right things. He is going to finish the season strong. He got into the end zone last week and this trend will continue. I think that things are looking up for the Bears.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Wow! This thread is still getting kicked around? There is nothing to see here with the exception that this guy is a bust. No vision, no burst of speed, 1 100 yard game, a 3.0 rushing average and 3 TDs. Just another bust. Enis with dread locks.....
gianmarco
Footballguy
This icon was made just for you with that response:
Approaching HK-like schtick if seriously trying to compare Benson to Eddie George.
PsychoMan
Footballguy
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Those are some serious words...comparing anyone to HK is about as degrading as you can get.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
rotoworld
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I haven't used him in several weeks. I'm only keeping him on my roster for a couple of reasons:
- We have a week 17 championship game. I'm currently 8-2, so the chances are pretty good that I'll be there. That week, the Bears are home to New Orleans. If the Saints are out of the playoff picture by then, do you think they'll really give ANY effort on defense on what figures to be a freezing cold day? As bad as Benson is, he would have a shot at 100 yards and a score or two in that situation. That said, I still might not play him... depends on how my other backs are looking.
- We have large roster limits, so carrying the stiff doesn't really hurt me.
- We have a week 17 championship game. I'm currently 8-2, so the chances are pretty good that I'll be there. That week, the Bears are home to New Orleans. If the Saints are out of the playoff picture by then, do you think they'll really give ANY effort on defense on what figures to be a freezing cold day? As bad as Benson is, he would have a shot at 100 yards and a score or two in that situation. That said, I still might not play him... depends on how my other backs are looking.
- We have large roster limits, so carrying the stiff doesn't really hurt me.
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Max Power
Footballguy
Cedric Benson leads NFL running backs in dropped passes.
Pretty amazing considering Adrian Peterson sees the bulk of passes to running backs in Chicago. Benson also admitted that he blocked the wrong guy on a Raiders' blitz, leading to Brian Griese's shoulder injury. The Chicago Tribune also notes that he added "bad weight" during the off-season, possibly explaining his lack of burst. Finally, he had a four-yard rush taken off his Week 10 line, meaning his average YPC is declining even during the week. What can't this guy do?
Pretty amazing considering Adrian Peterson sees the bulk of passes to running backs in Chicago. Benson also admitted that he blocked the wrong guy on a Raiders' blitz, leading to Brian Griese's shoulder injury. The Chicago Tribune also notes that he added "bad weight" during the off-season, possibly explaining his lack of burst. Finally, he had a four-yard rush taken off his Week 10 line, meaning his average YPC is declining even during the week. What can't this guy do?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Two posts before yours, GB.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Jesus H Christ, can you not see the same thing posted two posts up?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Have you guys seen this yet?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I heard Benson leads the NFL in dropped passes, but I can't find confirmation anywhere.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
It was a rhetorical question. Eddie averaged 3.0 in 2001, his sixth season in the league. That was the first season that his body started to break down and he wasn't the same player. His running style and work load only allowed him about 5 seasons of effectiveness, and in his last 4 seasons he was mediocre. His first 5 seasons he rushed for 6874 yards on 1763 carries, a 3.9 average. He had 1368, 1399, 1294, 1304, and 1509 yards in those 5 seasons, and scored 42 TDs. He was a work horse, and the focal point of the team's offense. In 2001 he started to slow down, and over the next 4 seasons he rushed for 3567 yards on 1102 carries, a 3.2 average. He clearly lost something after those first 5 years. So basically, your stat compares Benson's play (in his third year, after less than 400 career carries, at 24 years old) to Eddie George after he started to decline and wasn't the same player. I would have to agree. Once Eddie started to stink, the comparison is valid.
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Shufflin'Crew
Footballguy
From today's Sun Times...
Benson pulled off the extraordinary feat of failing to run the ball successfully against the Raiders, a team that's a friend to all downtrodden running backs. Benson came into the game averaging 3.12 yards per carry and managed just 2.57 on 28 carries, a 17.6 percent dropoff and the worst any back has fallen against Oakland this year.
Cleveland's Jamal Lewis, who slipped 7 percent in yards per carry, is the only other back to decline against the Raiders. LaDainian Tomlinson improved on his average by 134 percent, Ron Dayne by 103 percent, Ronnie Brown by 98 percent, Tatum Bell by 77 percent and LenDale White by 65 percent.
Benson pulled off the extraordinary feat of failing to run the ball successfully against the Raiders, a team that's a friend to all downtrodden running backs. Benson came into the game averaging 3.12 yards per carry and managed just 2.57 on 28 carries, a 17.6 percent dropoff and the worst any back has fallen against Oakland this year.
Cleveland's Jamal Lewis, who slipped 7 percent in yards per carry, is the only other back to decline against the Raiders. LaDainian Tomlinson improved on his average by 134 percent, Ron Dayne by 103 percent, Ronnie Brown by 98 percent, Tatum Bell by 77 percent and LenDale White by 65 percent.
Max Power
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
If there's any way to convince the dip####s still supporting Benson that he sucks, it's this: Cedric Benson leads NFL running backs in dropped passes. Pretty amazing considering Adrian Peterson sees the bulk of passes to running backs in Chicago. Benson also admitted that he blocked the wrong guy on a Raiders' blitz, leading to Brian Griese's shoulder injury. The Chicago Tribune also notes that he added "bad weight" during the off-season, possibly explaining his lack of burst. Finally, he had a four-yard rush taken off his Week 10 line, meaning his average YPC is declining even during the week. What can't this guy do?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Ryan21, come defend Cedric "Maybe a yard" Benson.
