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I used to comment here more than anyone but KGB, I think. That was a couple years ago. I went silent because of Adam Back, who I think is brilliant and thought was Satoshi until he recently released his emails from 08 with Satoshi. Historical stuff if you're into crypto. Anyway, Adam turned me into a bitcoin maxi with a simple explanation that all the alts have the potential to be scams, rug pulls, regulated into oblivion, etc. I've been burned by messing with low cap alts, homerun swings, and a few bad calls on mid caps too. I've made some good moves too. Moving into stables when btc crashed from its ATH saved me alot of pain during the long bear market. I did that when btc fell to high 40s. Not bad.

And now here I am, fully recovered and then some. There used to be a lot of chatter about bitcoin eventually decoupling from the alts. Likewise eth maxis replied with chatter about eth decoupling from btc. Welp, both of them may be decoupling from most of the alts together. See the doge post above and add a couple hundred projects to that stagnation. Sure some have kept pace and some have even done better, but I think the point is interesting. Why are there 25 thousand alts? Because there's 24,800 worthless fund raisers for scammy developers according to Adam. How do we flush these down the toilet when any geek kid can mint a coin and professionally pimp a project? To me it's the nightmare within the dream of killing legacy bank corruption with decentralized finance for all.

Anyway, I don't know what to do irt taking profits this time. The hype for $100/200/500/1,000,00 btc makes selling it now, with scarcity becoming reality, kinda dumb. But, I promised myself I would if it ran this high again. :shrug:
 
Doge is up 103% and Shib up 230% in a week. Shib is running right now, up 50% on the day.

Of course I only put a couple hundred bucks each into these back in the day, so won’t mean much to me unless something really weird happens. Come on ****coins, eat some zeros!
 
I used to comment here more than anyone but KGB, I think. That was a couple years ago. I went silent because of Adam Back, who I think is brilliant and thought was Satoshi until he recently released his emails from 08 with Satoshi. Historical stuff if you're into crypto. Anyway, Adam turned me into a bitcoin maxi with a simple explanation that all the alts have the potential to be scams, rug pulls, regulated into oblivion, etc. I've been burned by messing with low cap alts, homerun swings, and a few bad calls on mid caps too. I've made some good moves too. Moving into stables when btc crashed from its ATH saved me alot of pain during the long bear market. I did that when btc fell to high 40s. Not bad.

And now here I am, fully recovered and then some. There used to be a lot of chatter about bitcoin eventually decoupling from the alts. Likewise eth maxis replied with chatter about eth decoupling from btc. Welp, both of them may be decoupling from most of the alts together. See the doge post above and add a couple hundred projects to that stagnation. Sure some have kept pace and some have even done better, but I think the point is interesting. Why are there 25 thousand alts? Because there's 24,800 worthless fund raisers for scammy developers according to Adam. How do we flush these down the toilet when any geek kid can mint a coin and professionally pimp a project? To me it's the nightmare within the dream of killing legacy bank corruption with decentralized finance for all.

Anyway, I don't know what to do irt taking profits this time. The hype for $100/200/500/1,000,00 btc makes selling it now, with scarcity becoming reality, kinda dumb. But, I promised myself I would if it ran this high again. :shrug:

I think there's a pretty realistic chance that once BTC trades sideways for a few days the alts will play a game of catch-up, fast. At least the good ones like SOL, AVAX, etc.
 
I think there's a pretty realistic chance that once BTC trades sideways for a few days the alts will play a game of catch-up, fast. At least the good ones like SOL, AVAX, etc.
The routine in 2021 was BTC pump, then eth pump, then other L1s pump, then meme/**** coins pump. I don't think the retail spec money has rotated out of BTC this go-round quite yet.
 
I think there's a pretty realistic chance that once BTC trades sideways for a few days the alts will play a game of catch-up, fast. At least the good ones like SOL, AVAX, etc.
The routine in 2021 was BTC pump, then eth pump, then other L1s pump, then meme/**** coins pump. I don't think the retail spec money has rotated out of BTC this go-round quite yet.

Meme coins have jumped the line this time.
 
I think there's a pretty realistic chance that once BTC trades sideways for a few days the alts will play a game of catch-up, fast. At least the good ones like SOL, AVAX, etc.
The routine in 2021 was BTC pump, then eth pump, then other L1s pump, then meme/**** coins pump. I don't think the retail spec money has rotated out of BTC this go-round quite yet.

Meme coins have jumped the line this time.
That's true. The hot garbage like Floki and ELON I bought in 2021 is almost back to flat. Meanwhile my gaming tokens have barely moved since December.
 
Anyone own the Tangem wallet? I am struggling on whether to use the seed-phrase option on it and was looking for recommendations....
 
I used to comment here more than anyone but KGB, I think. That was a couple years ago. I went silent because of Adam Back, who I think is brilliant and thought was Satoshi until he recently released his emails from 08 with Satoshi. Historical stuff if you're into crypto. Anyway, Adam turned me into a bitcoin maxi with a simple explanation that all the alts have the potential to be scams, rug pulls, regulated into oblivion, etc. I've been burned by messing with low cap alts, homerun swings, and a few bad calls on mid caps too. I've made some good moves too. Moving into stables when btc crashed from its ATH saved me alot of pain during the long bear market. I did that when btc fell to high 40s. Not bad.

And now here I am, fully recovered and then some. There used to be a lot of chatter about bitcoin eventually decoupling from the alts. Likewise eth maxis replied with chatter about eth decoupling from btc. Welp, both of them may be decoupling from most of the alts together. See the doge post above and add a couple hundred projects to that stagnation. Sure some have kept pace and some have even done better, but I think the point is interesting. Why are there 25 thousand alts? Because there's 24,800 worthless fund raisers for scammy developers according to Adam. How do we flush these down the toilet when any geek kid can mint a coin and professionally pimp a project? To me it's the nightmare within the dream of killing legacy bank corruption with decentralized finance for all.

Anyway, I don't know what to do irt taking profits this time. The hype for $100/200/500/1,000,00 btc makes selling it now, with scarcity becoming reality, kinda dumb. But, I promised myself I would if it ran this high again. :shrug:

I started messing with meme coins for about 2 months and found that the low market caps led to too much manipulation and bot trading. I'm kicking myself because the coin I was trading (Jesus Coin) would have made me about a 10x if I would have just kept my money in there but I didn't want to deal with it.
 
Anyone own the Tangem wallet? I am struggling on whether to use the seed-phrase option on it and was looking for recommendations....
haven't used it but if the seed-phrase option is similar to others (10 or 12 word phrase, as opposed to a normal password), would definitely opt for that. Just don't lose it. lol
 
I used to comment here more than anyone but KGB, I think. That was a couple years ago. I went silent because of Adam Back, who I think is brilliant and thought was Satoshi until he recently released his emails from 08 with Satoshi. Historical stuff if you're into crypto. Anyway, Adam turned me into a bitcoin maxi with a simple explanation that all the alts have the potential to be scams, rug pulls, regulated into oblivion, etc. I've been burned by messing with low cap alts, homerun swings, and a few bad calls on mid caps too. I've made some good moves too. Moving into stables when btc crashed from its ATH saved me alot of pain during the long bear market. I did that when btc fell to high 40s. Not bad.

And now here I am, fully recovered and then some. There used to be a lot of chatter about bitcoin eventually decoupling from the alts. Likewise eth maxis replied with chatter about eth decoupling from btc. Welp, both of them may be decoupling from most of the alts together. See the doge post above and add a couple hundred projects to that stagnation. Sure some have kept pace and some have even done better, but I think the point is interesting. Why are there 25 thousand alts? Because there's 24,800 worthless fund raisers for scammy developers according to Adam. How do we flush these down the toilet when any geek kid can mint a coin and professionally pimp a project? To me it's the nightmare within the dream of killing legacy bank corruption with decentralized finance for all.

Anyway, I don't know what to do irt taking profits this time. The hype for $100/200/500/1,000,00 btc makes selling it now, with scarcity becoming reality, kinda dumb. But, I promised myself I would if it ran this high again. :shrug:

I started messing with meme coins for about 2 months and found that the low market caps led to too much manipulation and bot trading. I'm kicking myself because the coin I was trading (Jesus Coin) would have made me about a 10x if I would have just kept my money in there but I didn't want to deal with it.

I am a big believer in blockchain and what it can offer as an actual technology and the meme coin stuff is really a totally different animal from that, but a fun diversion.

It's pure gambling, no different than craps or blackjack or sports gambling, which are all things that I love. I actually take money out of my sports gambling account to play with those because I see it essentially the same, essentially money I'm lighting on fire and having fun to play with.

If you scroll back far enough a few years ago in this thread I mentioned that I put $100 in a coin called Christmas Floki a few weeks before Christmas. I sold it for $80 a day a later. Two days after that, it would have been worth $80,000. Whoops. Certainly a better risk/return than sports gambling though as even outrageous moonshots in sports gambling are like 10x's.
 
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I'm a believer in the S2F model and will probably be selling btc in the 2nd half of 2025.
Just as I think that covid had a negative effect on the bullish models. Now I believe that the ETFs will cause btc to exceed many bullish expectations.
Of course, the unexpected often happens. So, gonna be flexible but try not to overreact.

Edit - btc crossed 72k about a half hour ago. Now around 71.5k.
A good start to the day
 
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How are people getting around the tax implications of selling? The tax hit can be huge if you've made a few hundred grand. I've heard offshore LLCs are the way to go but there's still a ~20% tax on moving funds to say the Caymans. I figure the whales have a way around this.
 
How are people getting around the tax implications of selling? The tax hit can be huge if you've made a few hundred grand. I've heard offshore LLCs are the way to go but there's still a ~20% tax on moving funds to say the Caymans. I figure the whales have a way around this.

You don't cash out, you take loans out using your crypto as collateral.
 
How are people getting around the tax implications of selling? The tax hit can be huge if you've made a few hundred grand. I've heard offshore LLCs are the way to go but there's still a ~20% tax on moving funds to say the Caymans. I figure the whales have a way around this.
They aren't.
 
Just ran across this factoid, but haven't verified:

Yesterday was the highest net inflows for US BTC ETFs since launch! Net inflows of $1.045 Billion led by Blackrock's IBIT ($849 million). Given the amount of registered investment firms/advisors that are just now getting acces to the ETFs or are still waiting on access, this train is not likely to slow down for a while. Having said that, BTC price can still go down (especially on a black swan event), but under normal conditions the pullbacks are likely to be less than prior cycles. This will be especially true post halving when daily new supply of BTC is cut in half.
 
How are people getting around the tax implications of selling? The tax hit can be huge if you've made a few hundred grand. I've heard offshore LLCs are the way to go but there's still a ~20% tax on moving funds to say the Caymans. I figure the whales have a way around this.


Accountant here. It used to be heavily unregulated prior to 2023. That is to say, if you bought and sold at the right exchange they wouldn't even issue you a 1099-B and it would be up to the IRS to figure out who owned the profits and how much the profits were. Due to changes in tax law, starting last year exchanges are required to provide you a 1099-B that tracks these transactions.

https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/investments-and-taxes/crypto-tax-forms/L8tQmALU3


However, depending on how the exchange provides your 1099-B information, they might not have provided the cost basis to the IRS. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1099b.pdf


Page 2, Box 12. If that box is checked, you're essentially screwed as the exchange has provided both the cost basis and the proceeds to the IRS, so there's no room to "fudge the numbers". However, if your form does not have that box checked that means the IRS has no clue what you paid for the BTC to begin with. If it's worth $100,000 in proceeds, you can tell them you paid $100,000 for it and pay $0.00 in taxes. However, this is considered tax evasion and could have implications of a maximum sentence of five years imprisonment and a fine up to $100,000 for individuals or $500,000 for corporations. Just ask Todd Chrisley. Of course, if you are smart about it you're not going to say you made $0.00 on $100,000 in proceeds. But you can certainly embellish without much audit risk as long as you aren't ridiculous about it. If you really paid $50,000 maybe you say you paid $80,000. $20,000 in Capital Gains is much more manageable than $50,000.



Like most forms off tax evasion, if you are smart you take amounts out that are under thresholds in which your return would / could be randomly audited. If you have kids, it would be smart to buy some in their names to flatten the tax bill (old farmer's trick, put your kids on the payroll and take advantage of their $13,850 standard deduction, otherwise it goes to waste). A good Enrolled Agent or Certified Public Accountant will know what these thresholds are and the cool ones will even talk in code to let you know what will and won't fly. The IRS, for instance, isn't going to look twice at a tax return with an AGI of $80,000. It's not cost effective for them to do this, however, they will certainly look over your return if you are claiming an AGI of $500,000+ as in that tax bracket it is certainly worth their while to put a magnifying glass under every dollar.


With that said, I am sure there exists shady BTC exchanges out there that won't even issue you a 1099-B. I have no interest in this endeavor, but it would be aiken to working for somebody who pays you under the table and doesn't furnish you a 1099 for services rendered. Kind of like offshore betting in Costa Rica before sportsbetting became legalized in the states, the IRS has less jurisdiction over international transactions, you can probably find a country that doesn't have BTC regulated and find a way to buy your BTC there. But then you have to find a way to money launder the money back into the United States, so if you get caught you're now charged with multiple felonies. Essentially, as long as you're not some kind of millionaire making $500,000 a year and/or you don't receive a 1099-B or if you received one and 1099-B Box 12 is not checked, there is plenty of room to "slide one past the goalie". It really depends on your situation, but as you all know an exchange that is shady enough not to properly report to the IRS is probably shady enough to screw you over in other capacities (steal your money, go bankrupt, etc). Think FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried: https://www.reuters.com/legal/ftx-f...did-not-apply-him-prosecutor-says-2023-11-02/




If you wanted to be an absolute maniac, the big grift would be to not file your taxes at all. This essentially starts a 6-year window. That is to say, the current IRS statute requires you to have filed for the previous 6 years to be considered in "filing compliance". If you can get past 6-years without the IRS filing an SFR (substitute for return, it's where the IRS files a return for you with the information they have on file) then you're home free. This, again, is going to be largely dependent on your income. If you only made $80,000, again, the IRS doesn't have the time to really grill you or assign a Revenue Officer to bust your balls, however without proper tax returns, good luck getting a loan to buy a house.


This strategy was very effective during the COVID-19 days, the IRS was backed up millions of tax returns back then. I had a few clients who we sent returns to the IRS and they didn't touch the things for nearly 2-years, some of their returns never got filed at all, they either are still sitting in a shipping container somewhere or they got tossed into the circular filing system.



With that said, tax evasion is a very serious offense and should be left in the hands of a trained professional who knows the IRS internal processes well. I'm just kidding, don't try to do any of this, this is purely hypothetical like that book OJ Simpson book: https://www.amazon.com/If-I-Did-Confessions-Killer/dp/0825305934 Try finding a CPA who used to work for the IRS, they usually know all the relevant thresholds and/or still know people at the IRS to pull strings - provide insider information. But assuming your proceeds aren't ridiculous and Box 12 isn't checked, your best bet is to claim your basis is about 70% to 90% of the proceeds and let the IRS tell you it's wrong. They'd have to go to the exchange and figure out what the "actual" cost basis was and a lot of times the exchange don't know / don't communicate well with the IRS so they just give up and go with the number you gave them.


But if you file without the 1099-B completely, the IRS are a bunch of dickbags and will just say the cost basis is $0.00 which would give you $100,000 in capital gains and tax you on the entire thing. That's the one thing you definitely don't want to do. :lol:



ETA: This is probably a good place to start if hypothetically speaking someone wanted to go the money laundering route. https://nomadcapitalist.com/finance/cryptocurrency/countries-that-dont-tax-bitcoin-capital-gains/
 
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Random girl in bar said SHIB is going to partner with amazon. pretty sure its true.

invested $200 and up 3% so im pretty positive im retiring

Ha ha, right there with you. Bought 3M Shib. Probably get it up to 100M and then just let it sit.

Been buying HBAR, XRP and AGIX here and there in small amounts.
 
Interesting thing for taxes for me next year is that any profits I make this year, it's is from the cost basis or purchases from 2020 or 2021...so I'm not sure that data is going to be available. Oh well.
 
How are people getting around the tax implications of selling? The tax hit can be huge if you've made a few hundred grand. I've heard offshore LLCs are the way to go but there's still a ~20% tax on moving funds to say the Caymans. I figure the whales have a way around this.


Accountant here. It used to be heavily unregulated prior to 2023. That is to say, if you bought and sold at the right exchange they wouldn't even issue you a 1099-B and it would be up to the IRS to figure out who owned the profits and how much the profits were. Due to changes in tax law, starting last year exchanges are required to provide you a 1099-B that tracks these transactions.

https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/investments-and-taxes/crypto-tax-forms/L8tQmALU3


However, depending on how the exchange provides your 1099-B information, they might not have provided the cost basis to the IRS. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1099b.pdf


Page 2, Box 12. If that box is checked, you're essentially screwed as the exchange has provided both the cost basis and the proceeds to the IRS, so there's no room to "fudge the numbers". However, if your form does not have that box checked that means the IRS has no clue what you paid for the BTC to begin with. If it's worth $100,000 in proceeds, you can tell them you paid $100,000 for it and pay $0.00 in taxes. However, this is considered tax evasion and could have implications of a maximum sentence of five years imprisonment and a fine up to $100,000 for individuals or $500,000 for corporations. Just ask Todd Chrisley. Of course, if you are smart about it you're not going to say you made $0.00 on $100,000 in proceeds. But you can certainly embellish without much audit risk as long as you aren't ridiculous about it. If you really paid $50,000 maybe you say you paid $80,000. $20,000 in Capital Gains is much more manageable than $50,000.



Like most forms off tax evasion, if you are smart you take amounts out that are under thresholds in which your return would / could be randomly audited. If you have kids, it would be smart to buy some in their names to flatten the tax bill (old farmer's trick, put your kids on the payroll and take advantage of their $13,850 standard deduction, otherwise it goes to waste). A good Enrolled Agent or Certified Public Accountant will know what these thresholds are and the cool ones will even talk in code to let you know what will and won't fly. The IRS, for instance, isn't going to look twice at a tax return with an AGI of $80,000. It's not cost effective for them to do this, however, they will certainly look over your return if you are claiming an AGI of $500,000+ as in that tax bracket it is certainly worth their while to put a magnifying glass under every dollar.


With that said, I am sure there exists shady BTC exchanges out there that won't even issue you a 1099-B. I have no interest in this endeavor, but it would be aiken to working for somebody who pays you under the table and doesn't furnish you a 1099 for services rendered. Kind of like offshore betting in Costa Rica before sportsbetting became legalized in the states, the IRS has less jurisdiction over international transactions, you can probably find a country that doesn't have BTC regulated and find a way to buy your BTC there. But then you have to find a way to money launder the money back into the United States, so if you get caught you're now charged with multiple felonies. Essentially, as long as you're not some kind of millionaire making $500,000 a year and/or you don't receive a 1099-B or if you received one and 1099-B Box 12 is not checked, there is plenty of room to "slide one past the goalie". It really depends on your situation, but as you all know an exchange that is shady enough not to properly report to the IRS is probably shady enough to screw you over in other capacities (steal your money, go bankrupt, etc). Think FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried: https://www.reuters.com/legal/ftx-f...did-not-apply-him-prosecutor-says-2023-11-02/




If you wanted to be an absolute maniac, the big grift would be to not file your taxes at all. This essentially starts a 6-year window. That is to say, the current IRS statute requires you to have filed for the previous 6 years to be considered in "filing compliance". If you can get past 6-years without the IRS filing an SFR (substitute for return, it's where the IRS files a return for you with the information they have on file) then you're home free. This, again, is going to be largely dependent on your income. If you only made $80,000, again, the IRS doesn't have the time to really grill you or assign a Revenue Officer to bust your balls, however without proper tax returns, good luck getting a loan to buy a house.


This strategy was very effective during the COVID-19 days, the IRS was backed up millions of tax returns back then. I had a few clients who we sent returns to the IRS and they didn't touch the things for nearly 2-years, some of their returns never got filed at all, they either are still sitting in a shipping container somewhere or they got tossed into the circular filing system.



With that said, tax evasion is a very serious offense and should be left in the hands of a trained professional who knows the IRS internal processes well. I'm just kidding, don't try to do any of this, this is purely hypothetical like that book OJ Simpson book: https://www.amazon.com/If-I-Did-Confessions-Killer/dp/0825305934 Try finding a CPA who used to work for the IRS, they usually know all the relevant thresholds and/or still know people at the IRS to pull strings - provide insider information. But assuming your proceeds aren't ridiculous and Box 12 isn't checked, your best bet is to claim your basis is about 70% to 90% of the proceeds and let the IRS tell you it's wrong. They'd have to go to the exchange and figure out what the "actual" cost basis was and a lot of times the exchange don't know / don't communicate well with the IRS so they just give up and go with the number you gave them.


But if you file without the 1099-B completely, the IRS are a bunch of dickbags and will just say the cost basis is $0.00 which would give you $100,000 in capital gains and tax you on the entire thing. That's the one thing you definitely don't want to do. :lol:



ETA: This is probably a good place to start if hypothetically speaking someone wanted to go the money laundering route. https://nomadcapitalist.com/finance/cryptocurrency/countries-that-dont-tax-bitcoin-capital-gains/
Great post, thanks for sharing.
One thing I have wondered about, but haven't yet researched bc I've mostly just bought and have only made small sell transactions over the last few years, is about dollar cost averaging. If I bought a coin 3 years ago, bought a little more last month, and then sell it all later this year when it hits my target price, how do I calculate what I owe on the proceeds?
 
Great post, thanks for sharing.
One thing I have wondered about, but haven't yet researched bc I've mostly just bought and have only made small sell transactions over the last few years, is about dollar cost averaging. If I bought a coin 3 years ago, bought a little more last month, and then sell it all later this year when it hits my target price, how do I calculate what I owe on the proceeds?
It depends on what method you choose to determine cost basis. I use the HIFO method which means I assume the highest priced purchases are the first to be sold. There are other methods to choose from initially but it's my understanding that you have to use that method going forward.
 
Looks like people are rotating out of the big coins and into alts, as the prophecy foretold. SOL and AVAX just keep churning up now even as BTC and ETH tick downwards a bit.
 
Random girl in bar said SHIB is going to partner with amazon. pretty sure its true.

invested $200 and up 3% so im pretty positive im retiring
SHIP down 20%

I actually threw $3K into it tonight. lol it just took a big hit. short term play
 
Looks like people are rotating out of the big coins and into alts, as the prophecy foretold. SOL and AVAX just keep churning up now even as BTC and ETH tick downwards a bit.
There is definitely a rotation out of ETH and into SOL/AVAX. The ETH memes seemed to have topped and I'm seeing buying of SOL memes. I don't trade on AVAX so not sure what's cooking there.
 
About once a week I wake up and wonder when this is going to go savings and loans crisis or mortgage crisis. Nobody thought those were a problem there until too late. Those companies were 'too big to fail' and the US housing market was 'too big to fail'. Now crypto is 'too big to fail'. You'd think the opposite, but I'm getting fidgety especially now that ETFs are involved.
 
About once a week I wake up and wonder when this is going to go savings and loans crisis or mortgage crisis. Nobody thought those were a problem there until too late. Those companies were 'too big to fail' and the US housing market was 'too big to fail'. Now crypto is 'too big to fail'. You'd think the opposite, but I'm getting fidgety especially now that ETFs are involved.

Im excited!!!! :drive:
 
Fair point. Have you seen any sources indicating it might get rejected though? I have not.
No although in fairness I haven't kept up with it much. I do know from experience that network hasn't made any strides in cost efficiency in the last three years despite moving to PoS.

Ran across this thread today, which I thought makes some valid points re: ETH spot ETF
 
There's no way this is not a scam right? I guess the best way that someone explained it to me is that is that it is an investment in a future people hope becomes reality. Like you can't buy anything with this, right? I vaguely remember when this all started that someone like Dominoes would let you buy a pizza with bitcoin.

Anyways, I was reading this article


Rewards go to whomever is first to solve a complex math problem using trial-and-error calculations on a specialized computer


yea I'm out.
 
There's no way this is not a scam right? I guess the best way that someone explained it to me is that is that it is an investment in a future people hope becomes reality. Like you can't buy anything with this, right? I vaguely remember when this all started that someone like Dominoes would let you buy a pizza with bitcoin.

Anyways, I was reading this article


Rewards go to whomever is first to solve a complex math problem using trial-and-error calculations on a specialized computer


yea I'm out.
I don't think many in here will agree with you that it's a scam, nor do I think that involving math somehow makes it a scam. It's not for everybody. Nobody can give you any guarantees, but BTC has been very good to me so far.
 

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