Blown Call At End Of Lions-Cowboys Game - Ref Crew Apparently Pulled From Playoffs Per Thread (1 Viewer)

[Moonlight]

I can’t believe this is still going on.

It would be one thing if Detroit deserved to win, but they were clearly the inferior team that game (which is why Campbell was willing to take so many chances) & were damn lucky to even be in it at the end.

Take the L & move on. Maybe it’ll be different next time.

You are mistaken. Campbell always is taking chances. It wasn’t because he was afraid of the big bad Cowboys.
I saw the game as being evenly played and Cowboys had there share of luck as well. Besides playing at home.

Detroit gets too cute at times and some of Campbell’s risk taking is overly aggressive for the situation.

 

[Football Jones]

I can’t believe this is still going on.

It would be one thing if Detroit deserved to win, but they were clearly the inferior team that game (which is why Campbell was willing to take so many chances) & were damn lucky to even be in it at the end.

Take the L & move on. Maybe it’ll be different next time.

You are mistaken. Campbell always is taking chances. It wasn’t because he was afraid of the big bad Cowboys.
I saw the game as being evenly played and Cowboys had there share of luck as well. Besides playing at home.

Detroit gets too cute at times and some of Campbell’s risk taking is overly aggressive for the situation.

I beg to differ. You don’t go for 2 points & the win at the 7 unless you’re outgunned, not to mention being on the road in Dallas.

The key was not being able to run the ball efficiently & Goff’s poor play. Like I said, maybe it plays out differently next time.

 

[Zeppelin]

This is no longer about Brad Allen & the state of officiating.

This is the only thing this is about.

 

[markrc99]

Your reading comprehension is not in a good place. Blandino was discussing a hypothetical.

Right. As I've said, the reporting as eligible is the small crumb on the floor. Whether Brad Allen is entirely to blame, partially or not at all, once he announced over the stadium loud speaker who was eligible, the Lions have no one else to blame for what transpires afterwards but themselves. Just to note, I'm on page 9 & the discussion has rolled to page 10, so...

Dean Blandino doesn't call Dan Campbell out for lying, nor would he. However, what he does say is that if Campbell had run his tri-colored, donkey-dong, carnival $h!+ show past Allen, he would've rejected it flat! Blandino further contends, given that it did occur, he doesn't believe Campbell discussed his reporting scheme to Allen. But Campbell has contended that he did have that conversation with Allen. They were running some trickery & he has claimed he notified the officials pregame! Perhaps you need it worded differently? Although Dan Campbell has insisted otherwise, Dean Blandino doesn't believe Campbell discussed his reporting scheme with Brad Allen prior to the game. Does that work for you?

This more recent piece of evidence, that what the Lions did isn't anything NFL officials would entertain is huge, imo. I don't believe Brad Allen acknowledged Taylor Decker & then messed up the announcement. I think he instead defaulted to signaling he had accepted earlier in the game.

 

[jon_mx]

Your reading comprehension is not in a good place. Blandino was discussing a hypothetical.

Right. As I've said, the reporting as eligible is the small crumb on the floor. Whether Brad Allen is entirely to blame, partially or not at all, once he announced over the stadium loud speaker who was eligible, the Lions have no one else to blame for what transpires afterwards but themselves. Just to note, I'm on page 9 & the discussion has rolled to page 10, so...

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period.

The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

 

[Anarchy99]

After 10 pages of this, all I have left to add is this.

Excuse me, I'm expecting a call . . . Costanza?
Yes, I just got a call. I yell Cartwright. Cartwright! Just like that. Nobody came up, I hang up.
Was it for Costanza?
That's it! Nobody answered.
Was it a woman?
Yes, yes. I tell her you not here, she said curse word, I hang up.

She called. He called Cartwright. I missed her.
Who's Cartwright?
I'm Cartwright.
You're not Cartwright.
Of course, I'm not Cartwright!

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

This is no longer about Brad Allen & the state of officiating.

This is the only thing this is about.

This.

I'm a Lions fan. I said from the beginning that I was over the penalty. Sucks that it happened, but there's no way to say it swung the game, and while I would have loved to see the Lions win and get the 2-seed, I'm not all that broken up about it. I think they have a good chance to make a playoff run, and if they get a rematch with Dallas, their fate will be determined much more by whether Goff steps up, not where the game is being played.

But to claim that Allen didn't make a mistake is an insult to our intelligence. Decker walked over to him and did what he was supposed to do to declare himself eligible. Skipper ran onto the field as Allen was walking away and didn't say a word. Allen then announced that Skipper was eligible. In what world can you say he's not at fault?

 

[markrc99]

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period. The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

What the Lions clearly should & shouldn't have done after the announcement has everything to do with rendering the announcement, that you & for those like-minded have placed so much emphasis on... irrelevant! The crutch of your belief, which is Campbell's contention that he explained his reporting scheme to Allen pregame, has been kicked out from under you. You're probably not even aware of it. Pretty sad.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period. The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

What the Lions clearly should & shouldn't have done after the announcement has everything to do with rendering the announcement, that you & for those like-minded have placed so much emphasis on... irrelevant! The crutch of your belief, which is Campbell's contention that he explained his reporting scheme to Allen pregame, has been kicked out from under you. You're probably not even aware of it. Pretty sad.

I don’t know how these things usually work in terms of teams listening to what is announced over the PA, but sure, I’ll concede that if the Lions had heard the announcement, they might have been able to do something about Allen’s mistake. But it wouldn’t have changed the fact that he made a mistake

 

[JohnnyU]

Probably time to put this thread to bed. A lot of regurgitation of the same thing and no one is going to change their mind regarding what anyone says.

 

[jon_mx]

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period. The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

What the Lions clearly should & shouldn't have done after the announcement has everything to do with rendering the announcement, that you & for those like-minded have placed so much emphasis on... irrelevant! The crutch of your belief, which is Campbell's contention that he explained his reporting scheme to Allen pregame, has been kicked out from under you. You're probably not even aware of it. Pretty sad.

I know all the BS that you claim. But nothing changes the ref should have seen a 6'-7" 320 LB dude a few feet in front of him reporting as eligible. Even assuming the Lions heard (while they are busy calling the play and communicating and getting the play off before the clock expires with no timeouts), there is not anything they can do besides take a delay of game penalty. You think the ref making a mistake somehow shifts the blame and responsibility on to the Lions? That is a massive load of horse manure.

 

[Da Guru]

Your reading comprehension is not in a good place. Blandino was discussing a hypothetical.

Right. As I've said, the reporting as eligible is the small crumb on the floor. Whether Brad Allen is entirely to blame, partially or not at all, once he announced over the stadium loud speaker who was eligible, the Lions have no one else to blame for what transpires afterwards but themselves. Just to note, I'm on page 9 & the discussion has rolled to page 10, so...

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period.

The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

Bottom line is Allen did not focus or look, he acted rushed even though it was a dead ball situation. Mistakes happen. Admit it and move on. Allen will never admit it because it could cost him his job so that is understandable. But the NFL should.

 

[Zeppelin]

Bottom line is Allen did not focus or look, he acted rushed even though it was a dead ball situation. Mistakes happen. Admit it and move on. Allen will never admit it because it could cost him his job so that is understandable. But the NFL should.

So should people in this thread

 

[Anarchy99]

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period. The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

What the Lions clearly should & shouldn't have done after the announcement has everything to do with rendering the announcement, that you & for those like-minded have placed so much emphasis on... irrelevant! The crutch of your belief, which is Campbell's contention that he explained his reporting scheme to Allen pregame, has been kicked out from under you. You're probably not even aware of it. Pretty sad.

I know all the BS that you claim. But nothing changes the ref should have seen a 6'-7" 320 LB dude a few feet in front of him reporting as eligible. Even assuming the Lions heard (while they are busy calling the play and communicating and getting the play off before the clock expires with no timeouts), there is not anything they can do besides take a delay of game penalty. You think the ref making a mistake somehow shifts the blame and responsibility on to the Lions? That is a massive load of horse manure.

Just because the Lions DIDN'T choose to do something doesn't mean they COULDN'T have done anything. We have gone in so many circles on this I've lost track. For starters, they announced 70 as eligible. The reason the league does this is to . . . I know, this part may be shocking . . . to announce which players are considered eligible on the play for everyone to hear. The Lions have 23 coaches. We don't know what we don't know, but I feel pretty confident that there is someone on the Lions staff responsible for listening to those announcements . . . especially on the single biggest play of the season.

Campbell earlier in the week said he had no interest in speaking to the refs about the play while on the field, as it would have tipped the Cowboys off as to what was coming. I know he said he went over the play with the refs pregame "to a T," but we still haven't heard what that actually entailed. The former head of officials has explained that the refs would not have gone along with the part about 3 players approaching the ref to declare only one of them eligible. They would have told the Lions to only send the one lineman they wanted to report as eligible. Had they done that, there was a very high probability that 68 would have been announced as eligible . . . but the Lions didn't want to do that. This was their choice.

The entire pre-snap sequence of the play was to deceive the Cowboys to get them to not cover 68. Campbell and the Lions had the power to correct the play before it happened AND CHOSE NOT TO. Not having a timeout or having to take a delay of game was not a legitimate consequence. All Campbell had to do was say to the ref just after the announcement, "hey, we wanted 68 eligible, are you sure that's what they called?" and it would have been corrected. That was with the team still in the huddle. The refs pause games for any number of reasons, and that certainly would have been considered just cause where the Lions would not have been penalized. But again, Campbell CHOSE NOT TO. He wanted to preserve total secrecy and deception on the play.

The entire point of what the Lions were trying to do was to cause confusion . . . which is EXACTLY what they got. Except they confused the wrong people. I get it, it sukks to be a Lions fan on this one, and the refs bear SOME of the fault for the play getting screwed up. However, the Lions ALSO bear some responsibility for the way they went about the play design. Again, I have seen NOTHING from the Lions to concede that the play as it went off was unfair to the Cowboys. Detroit wants their pound of flesh (and the 2 points) that they feel THEY EARNED. Except they didn't earn them on the basis of running a fair play. As things turned out, that's not 100% their fault, but they had the chance to fix things and opted not to.

People wonder why 70 was the one declared eligible. Think about it, a 6'7", 330-lb lineman runs all the way across the field to the referee to NOT declare himself eligible. There is NO REASON for him to run over to the ref EXCEPT TO declare himself as eligible. That's the only possible reason for him to go there instead of directly to the huddle. That's the process for linemen to come in and get declared eligible. Sure, it's not against the rules to do what he did, but to suggest the refs totally were at fault when the linemen followed exactly the steps he would do to get declared eligible and then say "sorry, just kidding," then that's on Detroit.

I suspect that at some point the league actually will change the process for players reporting as eligible. I would expect they will spell out that players entering the game from the sideline will only be allowed to enter the huddle and not approach the ref unless they are reporting as eligible. And players on the field will only be allowed to return to the huddle and can only approach the refs if they are reporting as eligible.

 

[Da Guru]

Bottom line is Allen did not focus or look, he acted rushed even though it was a dead ball situation. Mistakes happen. Admit it and move on. Allen will never admit it because it could cost him his job so that is understandable. But the NFL should.

So should people in this thread

Coaches make mistakes, players make mistakes, refs make mistakes. They are all human..it happens.

When Umpire Jim Joyce cost Galarraga a perfect game he came right out and said "I missed the call"

 

[jon_mx]

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period. The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

What the Lions clearly should & shouldn't have done after the announcement has everything to do with rendering the announcement, that you & for those like-minded have placed so much emphasis on... irrelevant! The crutch of your belief, which is Campbell's contention that he explained his reporting scheme to Allen pregame, has been kicked out from under you. You're probably not even aware of it. Pretty sad.

I know all the BS that you claim. But nothing changes the ref should have seen a 6'-7" 320 LB dude a few feet in front of him reporting as eligible. Even assuming the Lions heard (while they are busy calling the play and communicating and getting the play off before the clock expires with no timeouts), there is not anything they can do besides take a delay of game penalty. You think the ref making a mistake somehow shifts the blame and responsibility on to the Lions? That is a massive load of horse manure.

Just because the Lions DIDN'T choose to do something doesn't mean they COULDN'T have done anything. We have gone in so many circles on this I've lost track. For starters, they announced 70 as eligible. The reason the league does this is to . . . I know, this part may be shocking . . . to announce which players are considered eligible on the play for everyone to hear. The Lions have 23 coaches. We don't know what we don't know, but I feel pretty confident that there is someone on the Lions staff responsible for listening to those announcements . . . especially on the single biggest play of the season.

Campbell earlier in the week said he had no interest in speaking to the refs about the play while on the field, as it would have tipped the Cowboys off as to what was coming. I know he said he went over the play with the refs pregame "to a T," but we still haven't heard what that actually entailed. The former head of officials has explained that the refs would not have gone along with the part about 3 players approaching the ref to declare only one of them eligible. They would have told the Lions to only send the one lineman they wanted to report as eligible. Had they done that, there was a very high probability that 68 would have been announced as eligible . . . but the Lions didn't want to do that. This was their choice.

The entire pre-snap sequence of the play was to deceive the Cowboys to get them to not cover 68. Campbell and the Lions had the power to correct the play before it happened AND CHOSE NOT TO. Not having a timeout or having to take a delay of game was not a legitimate consequence. All Campbell had to do was say to the ref just after the announcement, "hey, we wanted 68 eligible, are you sure that's what they called?" and it would have been corrected. That was with the team still in the huddle. The refs pause games for any number of reasons, and that certainly would have been considered just cause where the Lions would not have been penalized. But again, Campbell CHOSE NOT TO. He wanted to preserve total secrecy and deception on the play.

The entire point of what the Lions were trying to do was to cause confusion . . . which is EXACTLY what they got. Except they confused the wrong people. I get it, it sukks to be a Lions fan on this one, and the refs bear SOME of the fault for the play getting screwed up. However, the Lions ALSO bear some responsibility for the way they went about the play design. Again, I have seen NOTHING from the Lions to concede that the play as it went off was unfair to the Cowboys. Detroit wants their pound of flesh (and the 2 points) that they feel THEY EARNED. Except they didn't earn them on the basis of running a fair play. As things turned out, that's not 100% their fault, but they had the chance to fix things and opted not to.

People wonder why 70 was the one declared eligible. Think about it, a 6'7", 330-lb lineman runs all the way across the field to the referee to NOT declare himself eligible. There is NO REASON for him to run over to the ref EXCEPT TO declare himself as eligible. That's the only possible reason for him to go there instead of directly to the huddle. That's the process for linemen to come in and get declared eligible. Sure, it's not against the rules to do what he did, but to suggest the refs totally were at fault when the linemen followed exactly the steps he would do to get declared eligible and then say "sorry, just kidding," then that's on Detroit.

I suspect that at some point the league actually will change the process for players reporting as eligible. I would expect they will spell out that players entering the game from the sideline will only be allowed to enter the huddle and not approach the ref unless they are reporting as eligible. And players on the field will only be allowed to return to the huddle and can only approach the refs if they are reporting as eligible.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The ref is still the root cause, made the error, and is the main cause of the sequence.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period. The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

What the Lions clearly should & shouldn't have done after the announcement has everything to do with rendering the announcement, that you & for those like-minded have placed so much emphasis on... irrelevant! The crutch of your belief, which is Campbell's contention that he explained his reporting scheme to Allen pregame, has been kicked out from under you. You're probably not even aware of it. Pretty sad.

I know all the BS that you claim. But nothing changes the ref should have seen a 6'-7" 320 LB dude a few feet in front of him reporting as eligible. Even assuming the Lions heard (while they are busy calling the play and communicating and getting the play off before the clock expires with no timeouts), there is not anything they can do besides take a delay of game penalty. You think the ref making a mistake somehow shifts the blame and responsibility on to the Lions? That is a massive load of horse manure.

Just because the Lions DIDN'T choose to do something doesn't mean they COULDN'T have done anything. We have gone in so many circles on this I've lost track. For starters, they announced 70 as eligible. The reason the league does this is to . . . I know, this part may be shocking . . . to announce which players are considered eligible on the play for everyone to hear. The Lions have 23 coaches. We don't know what we don't know, but I feel pretty confident that there is someone on the Lions staff responsible for listening to those announcements . . . especially on the single biggest play of the season.

Campbell earlier in the week said he had no interest in speaking to the refs about the play while on the field, as it would have tipped the Cowboys off as to what was coming. I know he said he went over the play with the refs pregame "to a T," but we still haven't heard what that actually entailed. The former head of officials has explained that the refs would not have gone along with the part about 3 players approaching the ref to declare only one of them eligible. They would have told the Lions to only send the one lineman they wanted to report as eligible. Had they done that, there was a very high probability that 68 would have been announced as eligible . . . but the Lions didn't want to do that. This was their choice.

The entire pre-snap sequence of the play was to deceive the Cowboys to get them to not cover 68. Campbell and the Lions had the power to correct the play before it happened AND CHOSE NOT TO. Not having a timeout or having to take a delay of game was not a legitimate consequence. All Campbell had to do was say to the ref just after the announcement, "hey, we wanted 68 eligible, are you sure that's what they called?" and it would have been corrected. That was with the team still in the huddle. The refs pause games for any number of reasons, and that certainly would have been considered just cause where the Lions would not have been penalized. But again, Campbell CHOSE NOT TO. He wanted to preserve total secrecy and deception on the play.

The entire point of what the Lions were trying to do was to cause confusion . . . which is EXACTLY what they got. Except they confused the wrong people. I get it, it sukks to be a Lions fan on this one, and the refs bear SOME of the fault for the play getting screwed up. However, the Lions ALSO bear some responsibility for the way they went about the play design. Again, I have seen NOTHING from the Lions to concede that the play as it went off was unfair to the Cowboys. Detroit wants their pound of flesh (and the 2 points) that they feel THEY EARNED. Except they didn't earn them on the basis of running a fair play. As things turned out, that's not 100% their fault, but they had the chance to fix things and opted not to.

People wonder why 70 was the one declared eligible. Think about it, a 6'7", 330-lb lineman runs all the way across the field to the referee to NOT declare himself eligible. There is NO REASON for him to run over to the ref EXCEPT TO declare himself as eligible. That's the only possible reason for him to go there instead of directly to the huddle. That's the process for linemen to come in and get declared eligible. Sure, it's not against the rules to do what he did, but to suggest the refs totally were at fault when the linemen followed exactly the steps he would do to get declared eligible and then say "sorry, just kidding," then that's on Detroit.

I suspect that at some point the league actually will change the process for players reporting as eligible. I would expect they will spell out that players entering the game from the sideline will only be allowed to enter the huddle and not approach the ref unless they are reporting as eligible. And players on the field will only be allowed to return to the huddle and can only approach the refs if they are reporting as eligible.

It would be awesome to see every Lions fan in here say “spot on.”

It would also be awesome to see everyone else say “yeah, the refs clearly screwed up irrespective of the attempted subterfuge, and that screw up is the primary driver of everything that followed.”

 

[Anarchy99]

It would be awesome to see every Lions fan in here say “spot on.”

It would also be awesome to see everyone else say “yeah, the refs clearly screwed up irrespective of the attempted subterfuge, and that screw up is the primary driver of everything that followed.”

As a fan of football, I just wish we got a real ending to the game. Once the first conversion attempt got nullified and the Lions penalized, it almost seemed like Campbell almost wanted to lose out of spite just to further the victim angle. The Lions could have kicked and most likely gone to overtime (with a chance to win the game). To me, I wanted the game to continue, and that wasn't going to happen unless the Lions tied the game or made the conversion (with Dallas scrambling to get off a long FG attempt to win or lose). But we didn't get that.

 

[jon_mx]

It would be awesome to see every Lions fan in here say “spot on.”

It would also be awesome to see everyone else say “yeah, the refs clearly screwed up irrespective of the attempted subterfuge, and that screw up is the primary driver of everything that followed.”

As a fan of football, I just wish we got a real ending to the game. Once the first conversion attempt got nullified and the Lions penalized, it almost seemed like Campbell almost wanted to lose out of spite just to further the victim angle. The Lions could have kicked and most likely gone to overtime (with a chance to win the game). To me, I wanted the game to continue, and that wasn't going to happen unless the Lions tied the game or made the conversion (with Dallas scrambling to get off a long FG attempt to win or lose). But we didn't get that.

Especially given the Cowboys have a FG kicker who has hit like a 1000 FGs in a row. Imagine him lining up for a 70-yard FG with 1 second on the clock, setting up for a mind-blowing record shattering field goal crushing the Lions heart for the third time in NFL history.

1970. Tom Dempsey 63-yarder eliminating the Lions from playoffs as time expired. Record stood for 43 years.

2021. Justin Tucker 66-yarder as time expired denying Dan Campbell his first win as the Lions HC. Current record.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

It would be awesome to see every Lions fan in here say “spot on.”

It would also be awesome to see everyone else say “yeah, the refs clearly screwed up irrespective of the attempted subterfuge, and that screw up is the primary driver of everything that followed.”

As a fan of football, I just wish we got a real ending to the game. Once the first conversion attempt got nullified and the Lions penalized, it almost seemed like Campbell almost wanted to lose out of spite just to further the victim angle. The Lions could have kicked and most likely gone to overtime (with a chance to win the game). To me, I wanted the game to continue, and that wasn't going to happen unless the Lions tied the game or made the conversion (with Dallas scrambling to get off a long FG attempt to win or lose). But we didn't get that.

Especially given the Cowboys have a FG kicker who has hit like a 1000 FGs in a row. Imagine him lining up for a 70-yard FG with 1 second on the clock, setting up for a mind-blowing record shattering field goal crushing the Lions heart for the third time in NFL history.

I just reported this post for giving me PTSD

 

[nysfl2]

It would be awesome to see every Lions fan in here say “spot on.”

It would also be awesome to see everyone else say “yeah, the refs clearly screwed up irrespective of the attempted subterfuge, and that screw up is the primary driver of everything that followed.”

As a fan of football, I just wish we got a real ending to the game. Once the first conversion attempt got nullified and the Lions penalized, it almost seemed like Campbell almost wanted to lose out of spite just to further the victim angle. The Lions could have kicked and most likely gone to overtime (with a chance to win the game). To me, I wanted the game to continue, and that wasn't going to happen unless the Lions tied the game or made the conversion (with Dallas scrambling to get off a long FG attempt to win or lose). But we didn't get that.

In my eyes, the third attempt from the 4 was close enough to a do-over to be about as fair as possible after the refs screw-up. Lions had a bit of a disadvantage of having to go to their third option for the play, but the 'play' worked, and Goff just botched the throw, so it was about as fair as possible.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It was Brad Allen's mistake. Period. The announcement is a red herring. What is so hard about this?

What the Lions clearly should & shouldn't have done after the announcement has everything to do with rendering the announcement, that you & for those like-minded have placed so much emphasis on... irrelevant! The crutch of your belief, which is Campbell's contention that he explained his reporting scheme to Allen pregame, has been kicked out from under you. You're probably not even aware of it. Pretty sad.

On the contrary, what happened before the ref's mistake, and what happened after the ref's mistake, are irrelevant. If all of the discussion is around what led up to the ref's mistake, and how the Lions responded after the ref's mistake, it sounds like we're all in agreement that the ref made a mistake.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

The Lions have 23 coaches. We don't know what we don't know, but I feel pretty confident that there is someone on the Lions staff responsible for listening to those announcements . . . especially on the single biggest play of the season.

This is actually something I have not heard explained adequately and would be curious to learn more about. Do teams monitor what is announced over the PA system? Based on the Lions' reaction to the penalty, it sounds like they don't because it's not something you would typically have to worry about, but maybe that was just negligence on their part.

One thing I can guarantee you: Regardless of what rule changes the league puts in, starting this weekend and through the rest of the playoffs, every player who is reporting will say, "Six-eight reporting eligible. That's SIX-EIGHT." And the ref will repeat, "Got it. Six-eight."

 

[markrc99]

I know all the BS that you claim. But nothing changes the ref should have seen a 6'-7" 320 LB dude a few feet in front of him reporting as eligible. Even assuming the Lions heard (while they are busy calling the play and communicating and getting the play off before the clock expires with no timeouts), there is not anything they can do besides take a delay of game penalty. You think the ref making a mistake somehow shifts the blame and responsibility onto the Lions? That is a massive load of horse manure.

When something is junkie, it's easy to refute. But we both know why you've failed to do that! Let me show you how that's done! You're saying here, that because Decker is a big dude it's proof that he had to have correctly communicated that he was reporting as eligible. Junkie stuff. Like that lip-sinking wannabe you're obviously convinced is legit. The part about the Lions having no recourse after hearing the announcement, I don't know. Can you establish that as fact? What we do have on the subject is that when Campbell was asked why he didn't confront Allen or the official standing right next to him, the reasoning he put forth was that he didn't have a timeout, thus, enough time. He also said that he didn't hear it. Someone needs to tell him: Dan, if you didn't even hear it, you wouldn't have considered the fact that you didn't have a timeout or anything else. Oh $h!+, you're right, I didn't hear it, end of "story".

With respect to Decker, he's not waving his hand up & down in front of his chest. And when he does it, he's not just "a few feet" in front of Allen. More junkie stuff dude! Crucial perhaps is that what he does do is less than what Allen had acknowledged from Skipper earlier in the game. Now the verbal requirement, we have Decker explaining his interaction with Allen in his own words, I'm paraphrasing at this point: "I did what I was told to do, I went to the ref and said; report, and, yeah, I don't know." Do I have that right or wrong, which is it? That's convincing to you? Do you have him saying something more, because that is NOT convincing!! Wow, more junk! It's like I'm having a conversation with a hoarder or some $h!+. C'mon you need to snapTF out of it bud.

 

[Stoneworker]

Rock you have a knack for starting threads that bring out the worst takes on every forum.

Not sure why that is the case since the first eight words of the thread title tells anyone all they need to know

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Probably time to put this thread to bed. A lot of regurgitation of the same thing and no one is going to change their mind regarding what anyone says.

True

It would be awesome to see every Lions fan in here say “spot on.”

It would also be awesome to see everyone else say “yeah, the refs clearly screwed up irrespective of the attempted subterfuge, and that screw up is the primary driver of everything that followed.”

As a fan of football, I just wish we got a real ending to the game. Once the first conversion attempt got nullified and the Lions penalized, it almost seemed like Campbell almost wanted to lose out of spite just to further the victim angle. The Lions could have kicked and most likely gone to overtime (with a chance to win the game). To me, I wanted the game to continue, and that wasn't going to happen unless the Lions tied the game or made the conversion (with Dallas scrambling to get off a long FG attempt to win or lose). But we didn't get that.

That ship sailed a week ago

 

[jon_mx]

I know all the BS that you claim. But nothing changes the ref should have seen a 6'-7" 320 LB dude a few feet in front of him reporting as eligible. Even assuming the Lions heard (while they are busy calling the play and communicating and getting the play off before the clock expires with no timeouts), there is not anything they can do besides take a delay of game penalty. You think the ref making a mistake somehow shifts the blame and responsibility onto the Lions? That is a massive load of horse manure.

When something is junkie, it's easy to refute. But we both know why you've failed to do that! Let me show you how that's done! You're saying here, that because Decker is a big dude it's proof that he had to have correctly communicated that he was reporting as eligible. Junkie stuff. Like that lip-sinking wannabe you're obviously convinced is legit. The part about the Lions having no recourse after hearing the announcement, I don't know. Can you establish that as fact? What we do have on the subject is that when Campbell was asked why he didn't confront Allen or the official standing right next to him, the reasoning he put forth was that he didn't have a timeout, thus, enough time. He also said that he didn't hear it. Someone needs to tell him: Dan, if you didn't even hear it, you wouldn't have considered the fact that you didn't have a timeout or anything else. Oh $h!+, you're right, I didn't hear it, end of "story".

With respect to Decker, he's not waving his hand up & down in front of his chest. And when he does it, he's not just "a few feet" in front of Allen. More junkie stuff dude! Crucial perhaps is that what he does do is less than what Allen had acknowledged from Skipper earlier in the game. Now the verbal requirement, we have Decker explaining his interaction with Allen in his own words, I'm paraphrasing at this point: "I did what I was told to do, I went to the ref and said; report, and, yeah, I don't know." Do I have that right or wrong, which is it? That's convincing to you? Do you have him saying something more, because that is NOT convincing!! Wow, more junk! It's like I'm having a conversation with a hoarder or some $h!+. C'mon you need to snapTF out of it bud.

No matter how many times and different ways you rearrange the words....the ref screwed up.

 

[JohnnyU]

The next one that repeats themselves in this thread is banned for a month.

 

[themeistersinger]

"...However, in one of the breakdowns I saw with Dean Blandino, he mentioned that if a coach in a pregame review meeting outlined that 3 players would approach the ref with the intent of only one of them reporting as eligible with the other 2 used as pawns to try to distract the defense, he was pretty resolute in suggesting that the referee would have told Cambell to have only the eligible player report. ... Blandino felt the 3-card monte element involving multiple linemen was most likely left out of the discussion with the officials. ... he took offense to the suggestion that Campbell had fully spelled out what the Lions intended on that play."

Didn't see this earlier but it's what the evidence supports. Allen didn't mess up, he rejected his involvement in Campbell's 3-card monte. The part about the deception, Campbell says he did tell them or Allen. Great add, thank you!

Oh lord, that is the biggest line of crap yet.

Sorry, can you be more clear about what you mean?

There’s zero evidence that Campbell was trying to get the refs to go along with any subterfuge. The sneaky part of the play was to have a different lineman declare himself ineligible than the one Dallas would be expecting. That was what they explained to the refs beforehand, and then they followed the rules in terms of having that lineman report. But Allen misunderstood them. It’s possible they did something that contributed to his confusion, but all he had to do was pay attention to what they did and told him, and he failed to do that. That’s on him

Sorry, do you have a link that shows, in detail, that Campbell explained to the refs beforehand that they would have a different lineman declare himself eligible?

Of course not. The only people who know exactly what was said in that meeting are Campbell and the refs, and they both seem to be done talking about it.

But considering that the entire point of the play was to have a different lineman than the one Dallas was expecting declare himself eligible, it would seem pretty logical that's what he discussed with them. What else would he have talked about?

They would have talked about the unbalanced line leaving what would appear to be the tackle uncovered. They wanted to make sure they weren't called for an illegal formation.

I highly doubt that they told them in advance who would be the guy that was reporting.

 

[Zeppelin]

The next one that repeats themselves in this thread is banned for a month.

Thankfully it's not up to you.

 

[JohnnyU]

The next one that repeats themselves in this thread is banned for a month.

Thankfully it's not up to you.

You don’t know that for sure. I have a gift.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

"...However, in one of the breakdowns I saw with Dean Blandino, he mentioned that if a coach in a pregame review meeting outlined that 3 players would approach the ref with the intent of only one of them reporting as eligible with the other 2 used as pawns to try to distract the defense, he was pretty resolute in suggesting that the referee would have told Cambell to have only the eligible player report. ... Blandino felt the 3-card monte element involving multiple linemen was most likely left out of the discussion with the officials. ... he took offense to the suggestion that Campbell had fully spelled out what the Lions intended on that play."

Didn't see this earlier but it's what the evidence supports. Allen didn't mess up, he rejected his involvement in Campbell's 3-card monte. The part about the deception, Campbell says he did tell them or Allen. Great add, thank you!

Oh lord, that is the biggest line of crap yet.

Sorry, can you be more clear about what you mean?

There’s zero evidence that Campbell was trying to get the refs to go along with any subterfuge. The sneaky part of the play was to have a different lineman declare himself ineligible than the one Dallas would be expecting. That was what they explained to the refs beforehand, and then they followed the rules in terms of having that lineman report. But Allen misunderstood them. It’s possible they did something that contributed to his confusion, but all he had to do was pay attention to what they did and told him, and he failed to do that. That’s on him

Sorry, do you have a link that shows, in detail, that Campbell explained to the refs beforehand that they would have a different lineman declare himself eligible?

Of course not. The only people who know exactly what was said in that meeting are Campbell and the refs, and they both seem to be done talking about it.

But considering that the entire point of the play was to have a different lineman than the one Dallas was expecting declare himself eligible, it would seem pretty logical that's what he discussed with them. What else would he have talked about?

They would have talked about the unbalanced line leaving what would appear to be the tackle uncovered. They wanted to make sure they weren't called for an illegal formation.

I highly doubt that they told them in advance who would be the guy that was reporting.

I think we’re in agreement. He wouldn’t have said, “This is Taylor, he’ll be your eligible receiver tonight.” He would have said, here’s what the alignment will look like, and it will be legal because the LT will be the ER, and the extra lineman on the other side will be covered up

 

[kutta]

I can’t take it any more .

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I can’t take it any more .

Horrible that the mods are forcing people to continue reading this thread

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This Week on Unsolved Mysteries...

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Thought of this thread a few minutes ago when the ref in the Colts Texans game picked up a flag after the refs made a mistake and said “there’s no foul on the play, uh we’ll just do the play over”

 

[rockaction]

Rock you have a knack for starting threads that bring out the worst takes on every forum.

Man, I don't even mean to.

It's sort of funny. By the time I've cooled down and realize that the facts lead to me to being able to see both sides of an issue, the thread has already been started and the passions fly.

Noted.

Duly.

LOLOLOLOLOL.