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Blown Call At End Of Lions-Cowboys Game - Ref Crew Apparently Pulled From Playoffs Per Thread (1 Viewer)

Dan Campbell said he went thru the trick play in full detail with the refs before the game. If we go for two, we’re going to run an unbalanced line with the LT eligible.

Jared Goff told Taylor Decker to report. 68 & 58 (Sewell) go right up to Brad Allen. At the end #70 (Dan Skipper) comes up but by then Allen has turned and is going over to inform the defense who is eligible.

Brad Allen blew it. It was not an illegal formation.
 
Dan Campbell said he went thru the trick play in full detail with the refs before the game. If we go for two, we’re going to run an unbalanced line with the LT eligible.

Jared Goff told Taylor Decker to report. 68 & 58 (Sewell) go right up to Brad Allen. At the end #70 (Dan Skipper) comes up but by then Allen has turned and is going over to inform the defense who is eligible.

Brad Allen blew it. It was not an illegal formation.
Lions blew it, if 68 is reporting he doesn't need two buddies there to muddy the water. 70 runs in from the sideline like he needs to urgently tell the ref something so I don't see it as a shock the ref might think 70 is reporting. My cynical side thinks 70 runs to the official to trick the defense so they think 70 even if the ref says a different number. Literally no reason for 70 to run to the ref there, he sees 68 already heading there, 70 should be going to the huddle.
 
Dan Campbell said he went thru the trick play in full detail with the refs before the game. If we go for two, we’re going to run an unbalanced line with the LT eligible.

Jared Goff told Taylor Decker to report. 68 & 58 (Sewell) go right up to Brad Allen. At the end #70 (Dan Skipper) comes up but by then Allen has turned and is going over to inform the defense who is eligible.

Brad Allen blew it. It was not an illegal formation.
Lions blew it, if 68 is reporting he doesn't need two buddies there to muddy the water. 70 runs in from the sideline like he needs to urgently tell the ref something so I don't see it as a shock the ref might think 70 is reporting. My cynical side thinks 70 runs to the official to trick the defense so they think 70 even if the ref says a different number. Literally no reason for 70 to run to the ref there, he sees 68 already heading there, 70 should be going to the huddle.
Appeared to me that way too. Looked like shenanigans.
 
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postgame pool report with Brad Allen

Campbell told him pregame they would run an unbalanced line with the LT eligible - went over it in detail.

Skipper (#70) never got to Allen, he was already turning away from Decker (#68) to tell the defense who reported as eligible

Allen mentions 70 had reported eligible several times already in the game (which has NOTHING to do with THIS play)

Then Allen says "but 70 didn't need to report because he lined up at RT with 58 covering him - making the formation illegal."

It's not, it is an unbalanced line formation (which is legal) and Decker is the one who talked to him to report as eligible

He made a mistake and then just doubles down on it in the postgame
 
Dan Campbell said he went thru the trick play in full detail with the refs before the game. If we go for two, we’re going to run an unbalanced line with the LT eligible.

Jared Goff told Taylor Decker to report. 68 & 58 (Sewell) go right up to Brad Allen. At the end #70 (Dan Skipper) comes up but by then Allen has turned and is going over to inform the defense who is eligible.

Brad Allen blew it. It was not an illegal formation.
Lions blew it, if 68 is reporting he doesn't need two buddies there to muddy the water. 70 runs in from the sideline like he needs to urgently tell the ref something so I don't see it as a shock the ref might think 70 is reporting. My cynical side thinks 70 runs to the official to trick the defense so they think 70 even if the ref says a different number. Literally no reason for 70 to run to the ref there, he sees 68 already heading there, 70 should be going to the huddle.
The entire line can run up if they want and sometimes do. The ref messed up. He wasn't paying attention. The stakes are too high to not pay attention or not hear or not whatever. The problem with this ref is he has been part of multiple clown show calls and non calls this season, culminating in this nonsense.
 
I haven’t seen the video of it, but I have read that Allen points at #70 to acknowledge he had reported as eligible. Did anyone see this actual pointing? Is complete video available somewhere?
 
I haven’t seen the video of it, but I have read that Allen points at #70 to acknowledge he had reported as eligible. Did anyone see this actual pointing? Is complete video available somewhere?

Brad Allen points and nods at 68. Walks away before 70 arrives.
I just saw another video that shows the few seconds clipped from before this linked video and you can see Allen distinctly point right at #70 as he’s running towards Allen.
 
I haven’t seen the video of it, but I have read that Allen points at #70 to acknowledge he had reported as eligible. Did anyone see this actual pointing? Is complete video available somewhere?
Link

Yes. That’s how it looks to me. The Lions wanted 70 to pretend to go toward the ref but have 68 declare that he was the one eligible.

By rule, the refs have to tell the defense directly which players reported as eligible and announce it in the stadium. I haven’t seen any reports that the refs mentioned anything about 68 being eligible (but they did for 70). If that was the case, Dallas had no way to know they had to cover 68.

What they probably should have done was pick up the flag and call the attempt a non-play and replay the conversion attempt from the 2 yard line.
 
Closeup of Brad Allen pointing & nodding at Decker

Pulled back or zoomed in he is acknowledging the guy 2’ from him

He doesn’t point at 68 in that clip. Just before that clip he’s looking directly at 70 running in from the sidelines and he pointing at him with his left hand while his right hand is in the air.

I have no doubt that 68 was attempting to report as eligible, but then I get to watch various videos over and over from different angles. I also have little doubt that the ref was pointing at 70 and acknowledging that he was eligible. I’m guessing this is why the responsibility falls on the player to make sure he’s been acknowledged, not the ref. It’s a ****ty outcome for Detroit. No argument there.
 
I have no dog in the fight, but every clip I've seen has him acknowledging #68 before #70 even gets there. It's pretty clear what's going on.

If Campbell decided subterfuge to confuse the defense, then he confused the refs. Otherwise, it looks like they're acknowledging #68 and that seems pretty clear to me.

Make of that opinion what you will.
 
By the way, never go to motive. We can't assume Detroit was trying to fool the officials.

He looks right at #68 and nods, even when you pull back from BL's link. #70 gets there late.

It's shenanigans all around, and the ref crew blew the call. This is a crew that is constantly blowing calls. I know it because of the female referee who is horrible at spotting the ball and always gets overruled by her own crew.
 
You know what I'm talking about.

This is garbage.

Another garbage ref making a garbage decision in a garbage part of the league.

He apparently ****ing reported.

You clowns.
It's beyond garbage

-What they want us to believe is that the Refs made an honest mistake, in all my years of watching the NFL I've not seen them ever just mistake a player eligible/non-eligible
And it's not like the Dallas Cowboys are screaming ineligible so this call never happens on a routine basis

It's gotta be the worst call at the end of regulation in an otherwise hard hitting intense game, that cannot happen and I will take it a step further

-Imagine the Refs were paid off tonight...Impossible you say? It seems like all you have to do is shrug your shoulders and say "Oops!"
That entire officiating crew from top to bottom, Ref to Field Judge to Sideline Chaser, they all need to go, you have to assume they were paid off tonight otherwise you tarnish the integrity of the game and everyone gambling here and abroad, it's not pretty if officials can just get away with an honest mistake at the end of games.
 
Heck happened to the Giants on the final play of a playoff game. Refs screwed up who is eligible and walked off the field, calling the game over. The coach stopped them in the tunnel to protest and remind them he'd declared. Refs shrugged and said what's done is done. The NFL put out a lame apology the next week, the playoffs continued, no one cared.

Refs suck, they can't stand to be shown wrong, the NFL doesn't care to fix the issue, and people tune in despite this and all the other easily fixable problems anyway, in record numbers. There's no reason to change anything, there are plenty of customers for the product at the level it's at.
 
I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo
 
There's a HUGE problem with the narrative here. I have zero doubt the refs screwed this up, but I also have zero doubt that #68 was never actually ANNOUNCED as eligible, and since he wasn't, the Lions should have known pre snap there was a problem. It's an absolutely absurd assumption that the play would have worked exactly how it had if the Dallas defense is aware that #68 is the eligible, NOT #70. (they covered #70!) And as others have pointed out, why did three different players approach the ref?

To me this is akin to the play in the Baltimore SF game where some folks were screaming their heads off over LJax tripping over a ref....completely ignoring the fact that LJax was spinning every which way reversing direction multiple times RUNNING 25 FULL YARDS backwards into his own end zone.

This was a very impactful mistake, but ultimately not a super egregious one given the whole scenario.
 
There's a HUGE problem with the narrative here. I have zero doubt the refs screwed this up, but I also have zero doubt that #68 was never actually ANNOUNCED as eligible, and since he wasn't, the Lions should have known pre snap there was a problem. It's an absolutely absurd assumption that the play would have worked exactly how it had if the Dallas defense is aware that #68 is the eligible, NOT #70. (they covered #70!) And as others have pointed out, why did three different players approach the ref?

To me this is akin to the play in the Baltimore SF game where some folks were screaming their heads off over LJax tripping over a ref....completely ignoring the fact that LJax was spinning every which way reversing direction multiple times RUNNING 25 FULL YARDS backwards into his own end zone.

This was a very impactful mistake, but ultimately not a super egregious one given the whole scenario.

This is the correct answer right here...absolving the lions of their tomfoolery and then not knowing is not right. That ending is on them and no one else
 
I have no dog in the fight, but every clip I've seen has him acknowledging #68 before #70 even gets there. It's pretty clear what's going on.

If Campbell decided subterfuge to confuse the defense, then he confused the refs.
Otherwise, it looks like they're acknowledging #68 and that seems pretty clear to me.

Make of that opinion what you will.
But allegedly Campbell told the officials before the game that were going to run this exact formation. There's no reason for the refs to be confused. They're professionals, just like everybody else on the field!

(Edit: Oh no, wait, the officials are actually amateurs who sell insurance or something during the work week. Guys, I think I may have spotted the problem here.)
 
There's a HUGE problem with the narrative here. I have zero doubt the refs screwed this up, but I also have zero doubt that #68 was never actually ANNOUNCED as eligible, and since he wasn't, the Lions should have known pre snap there was a problem. It's an absolutely absurd assumption that the play would have worked exactly how it had if the Dallas defense is aware that #68 is the eligible, NOT #70. (they covered #70!) And as others have pointed out, why did three different players approach the ref?

To me this is akin to the play in the Baltimore SF game where some folks were screaming their heads off over LJax tripping over a ref....completely ignoring the fact that LJax was spinning every which way reversing direction multiple times RUNNING 25 FULL YARDS backwards into his own end zone.

This was a very impactful mistake, but ultimately not a super egregious one given the whole scenario.

This is the correct answer right here...absolving the lions of their tomfoolery and then not knowing is not right. That ending is on them and no one else
#70 ran in to tell the ref that he was NOT eligible, since he had been eligible in several other plays earlier in the game. The clown show ref apparently had no interest in listening to what the players were actually telling him.
 
Typical NFL nonsense. It doesn't even surprise me anymore. As soon as I saw the flag come in way late after the score, I knew they were conjuring up a way to take the 2 away from Detroit. They needed another shot of Jerry's wrinkled *** in the box celebrating.
 
Heck happened to the Giants on the final play of a playoff game. Refs screwed up who is eligible and walked off the field, calling the game over. The coach stopped them in the tunnel to protest and remind them he'd declared. Refs shrugged and said what's done is done. The NFL put out a lame apology the next week, the playoffs continued, no one cared.
See also the January 2019 NFC Championship game, Rams at Saints. The memory hole for these kinds of screw jobs is bottomless. And, nope, last night’s foible won’t change anything.
 
Excuse me, but if #68 didn't report, what is the fuss? I also believe they should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Campbell crap the bed on that one.
 
Excuse me, but if #68 didn't report, what is the fuss? I also believe they should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Campbell crap the bed on that one.
I think Campbell erred by not kicking the PAT after the penalty, but that's beside the point. The game should have already ended, and the only reason why this even came up was because of an officiating error.
 
I have no dog in the fight, but every clip I've seen has him acknowledging #68 before #70 even gets there. It's pretty clear what's going on.

If Campbell decided subterfuge to confuse the defense, then he confused the refs. Otherwise, it looks like they're acknowledging #68 and that seems pretty clear to me.

Make of that opinion what you will.
But allegedly Campbell told the officials before the game that were going to run this exact formation. There's no reason for the refs to be confused. They're professionals, just like everybody else on the field!

(Edit: Oh no, wait, the officials are actually amateurs who sell insurance or something during the work week. Guys, I think I may have spotted the problem here.)
Stated it before...the NFL tried to fix this and 90% of the posters in this forum focused on the short term fake refs and not the big picture. The ref union did an excellent job of get the TV media on their side.
 
I watched the game and the announcers said he did not. Was it because it wasn't announced by the public address announcer? I'm confused.
The ref ###### up.
So are you saying #68 reported and the ref ignored it? If that is true he shouldn't be allowed to ever ref another game and is considered cheating. I was under the impression #68 didn't report. Is there video proof #68 reported and the ref ignored it?
 
There's a HUGE problem with the narrative here. I have zero doubt the refs screwed this up, but I also have zero doubt that #68 was never actually ANNOUNCED as eligible, and since he wasn't, the Lions should have known pre snap there was a problem. It's an absolutely absurd assumption that the play would have worked exactly how it had if the Dallas defense is aware that #68 is the eligible, NOT #70. (they covered #70!) And as others have pointed out, why did three different players approach the ref?

To me this is akin to the play in the Baltimore SF game where some folks were screaming their heads off over LJax tripping over a ref....completely ignoring the fact that LJax was spinning every which way reversing direction multiple times RUNNING 25 FULL YARDS backwards into his own end zone.

This was a very impactful mistake, but ultimately not a super egregious one given the whole scenario.

This is the correct answer right here...absolving the lions of their tomfoolery and then not knowing is not right. That ending is on them and no one else
#70 ran in to tell the ref that he was NOT eligible, since he had been eligible in several other plays earlier in the game. The clown show ref apparently had no interest in listening to what the players were actually telling him.

So what they annouce who is eligible? Where were the lions on that? Even if they did get it right the cowboys would have covered the eligible player so at best you get a do over which the lions got a pair of do-overs and failed
 
Excuse me, but if #68 didn't report, what is the fuss? I also believe they should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Campbell crap the bed on that one.
I think Campbell erred by not kicking the PAT after the penalty, but that's beside the point. The game should have already ended, and the only reason why this even came up was because of an officiating error.
The game should not have ended because the cowboys had no reason to cover him because he wasn't announced as eligible.
 
I have no dog in the fight, but every clip I've seen has him acknowledging #68 before #70 even gets there. It's pretty clear what's going on.

If Campbell decided subterfuge to confuse the defense, then he confused the refs. Otherwise, it looks like they're acknowledging #68 and that seems pretty clear to me.

Make of that opinion what you will.
But allegedly Campbell told the officials before the game that were going to run this exact formation. There's no reason for the refs to be confused. They're professionals, just like everybody else on the field!

(Edit: Oh no, wait, the officials are actually amateurs who sell insurance or something during the work week. Guys, I think I may have spotted the problem here.)
Stated it before...the NFL tried to fix this and 90% of the posters in this forum focused on the short term fake refs and not the big picture. The ref union did an excellent job of get the TV media on their side.
It also helps a lot that all of the major sports channels are in bed with the NFL, so while they will discuss this and criticize it to some extent, they know they can't get too crazy with the criticism, for fear of pissing off the NFL.
 
I have no dog in the fight, but every clip I've seen has him acknowledging #68 before #70 even gets there. It's pretty clear what's going on.

If Campbell decided subterfuge to confuse the defense, then he confused the refs. Otherwise, it looks like they're acknowledging #68 and that seems pretty clear to me.

Make of that opinion what you will.
But allegedly Campbell told the officials before the game that were going to run this exact formation. There's no reason for the refs to be confused. They're professionals, just like everybody else on the field!

(Edit: Oh no, wait, the officials are actually amateurs who sell insurance or something during the work week. Guys, I think I may have spotted the problem here.)
Stated it before...the NFL tried to fix this and 90% of the posters in this forum focused on the short term fake refs and not the big picture. The ref union did an excellent job of get the TV media on their side.
It also helps a lot that all of the major sports channels are in bed with the NFL, so while they will discuss this and criticize it to some extent, they know they can't get too crazy with the criticism, for fear of pissing off the NFL.
Why do you think the Majors went off the reservation on the fake refs? They absolutely destroyed the NFL in the battle for public opinion on that issue.
 
I have no dog in the fight, but every clip I've seen has him acknowledging #68 before #70 even gets there. It's pretty clear what's going on.

If Campbell decided subterfuge to confuse the defense, then he confused the refs. Otherwise, it looks like they're acknowledging #68 and that seems pretty clear to me.

Make of that opinion what you will.
But allegedly Campbell told the officials before the game that were going to run this exact formation. There's no reason for the refs to be confused. They're professionals, just like everybody else on the field!

(Edit: Oh no, wait, the officials are actually amateurs who sell insurance or something during the work week. Guys, I think I may have spotted the problem here.)
Stated it before...the NFL tried to fix this and 90% of the posters in this forum focused on the short term fake refs and not the big picture. The ref union did an excellent job of get the TV media on their side.
It also helps a lot that all of the major sports channels are in bed with the NFL, so while they will discuss this and criticize it to some extent, they know they can't get too crazy with the criticism, for fear of pissing off the NFL.
Why do you think the Majors went off the reservation on the fake refs? They absolutely destroyed the NFL in the battle for public opinion on that issue.
The Fail Mary call was such an atrociously bad call by the fake refs that not even the networks could have the back of the NFL on that one.
 
Excuse me, but if #68 didn't report, what is the fuss? I also believe they should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Campbell crap the bed on that one.
I think Campbell erred by not kicking the PAT after the penalty, but that's beside the point. The game should have already ended, and the only reason why this even came up was because of an officiating error.
People keep saying this like the Cowboys didn't have 23 seconds, two TOs, the best kicker in the league and a WR who had 13 catches for 227 yards.
 
Excuse me, but if #68 didn't report, what is the fuss? I also believe they should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Campbell crap the bed on that one.
I think Campbell erred by not kicking the PAT after the penalty, but that's beside the point. The game should have already ended, and the only reason why this even came up was because of an officiating error.
People keep saying this like the Cowboys didn't have 23 seconds, two TOs, the best kicker in the league and a WR who had 13 catches for 227 yards.

And they say that like the cowboys wouldn't have tried to cover the actual eligible player. That outcome isn't determined if it's called right.

If you believe the ref made a mistake there the only resolution was doing the down over again and lions got 2 more attempts after that play
 
Excuse me, but if #68 didn't report, what is the fuss? I also believe they should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Campbell crap the bed on that one.
I think Campbell erred by not kicking the PAT after the penalty, but that's beside the point. The game should have already ended, and the only reason why this even came up was because of an officiating error.
People keep saying this like the Cowboys didn't have 23 seconds, two TOs, the best kicker in the league and a WR who had 13 catches for 227 yards.
I remember Tom Brady having a minute in the 2006 AFC Championship game and laid an egg. It is pointless to assume anything with 23 seconds left.
 
OK, someone said #68 reported. Did he, or didn't he? If he did, then why wasn't it announced by the public address announcer? If he didn't report, then the refs made the right call. PERIOD. I understood he didn't report and only #70 reported.
 
I have no dog in the fight, but every clip I've seen has him acknowledging #68 before #70 even gets there. It's pretty clear what's going on.

If Campbell decided subterfuge to confuse the defense, then he confused the refs. Otherwise, it looks like they're acknowledging #68 and that seems pretty clear to me.

Make of that opinion what you will.
But allegedly Campbell told the officials before the game that were going to run this exact formation. There's no reason for the refs to be confused. They're professionals, just like everybody else on the field!

(Edit: Oh no, wait, the officials are actually amateurs who sell insurance or something during the work week. Guys, I think I may have spotted the problem here.)
Stated it before...the NFL tried to fix this and 90% of the posters in this forum focused on the short term fake refs and not the big picture. The ref union did an excellent job of get the TV media on their side.
Yep. I know this was a long time ago and nobody remembers who was on what side, but I was right there with you on the "fake" refs. The league needed to get those guys under control, and the national media made it impossible to do so.
 

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