Blown Call At End Of Lions-Cowboys Game - Ref Crew Apparently Pulled From Playoffs Per Thread (1 Viewer)

[Snotbubbles]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

 

[need2know]

That woman ref has been terrible.

 

[Snotbubbles]

That woman ref has been terrible.

I heard she asked how many points do you get for kicking the ball between the poles.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

Didn't Dallas cover #70?

 

[Bankerguy]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

….as I’ve said all along that is why it’s beyond stupid on the Lion’s.

On the actual play you can see Dallas pointing at 70 and discussing who is covering him.

 

[JohnnyU]

That woman ref has been terrible.

Be careful, you will upset ......never mind.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

Didn't Dallas cover #70?

When? On the last play. They didn't have to, he lined up covered, so even if #68 doesn't get the ball thrown to him it would have been an illegal formation with #70 as the eligible receiver.

 

[Bankerguy]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

Didn't Dallas cover #70?

They clearly account for him pre snap. You can see one player point at him.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

This is the right answer...

100 percent nosense....70 was still 10 feet away when the ref ran off. 68 was right next to the ref pointing to his jersey. That is called reporting. Nothing 70 did in away way shape or form constituted reporting. I am not sure why this is even being debated. The ref 100 percent screwed up by telling Dallas the wrong number.
There is no way Detroit knew it and there was no way they could correct it. But in fairness, Dallas might have covered 68 if they were told correctly. But continually blaming the Lions is asinine with what we now know.

 

[jon_mx]

There was no sneakiness or mistake on the part of the Lions. They followed the rules to the T, and the ref made a mistake which altered the outcome of the game.

 

[JohnnyU]

There was no sneakiness or mistake on the part of the Lions. They followed the rules to the T, and the ref made a mistake which altered the outcome of the game.

Now imagine that was a Super Bowl game. Both teams being NFC notwithstanding.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

….as I’ve said all along that is why it’s beyond stupid on the Lion’s.

On the actual play you can see Dallas pointing at 70 and discussing who is covering him.

And in what universe is that stupid on the Lions? The ref messed up. Stop blaming the Lions. The Lions had zero chance to correct it. The play clock was near zero and they had no timeouts. What are they supposed to do, figure out this clusterfrick and audible out of it in less than 2 seconds. RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT.

 

[JohnnyU]

Should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Why was Campbell so dumb about that?

 

[jon_mx]

There was no sneakiness or mistake on the part of the Lions. They followed the rules to the T, and the ref made a mistake which altered the outcome of the game.

Now imagine that was a Super Bowl game. Both teams being NFC notwithstanding.

Truthfully, the NFL needs to adapt more technology and get these refs out of the game as much as possible. They screw up important games far too often.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

Didn't Dallas cover #70?

They clearly account for him pre snap. You can see one player point at him.

Just re-watched the play. You are 100% correct. Dallas #33 points to #70 pre-snap. On the snap #33 accounts for #70. When #33 sees #70 is blocking, #33 shifts his attention to #5 who was in motion. That caused #5 to stop and block.

 

[JohnnyU]

There was no sneakiness or mistake on the part of the Lions. They followed the rules to the T, and the ref made a mistake which altered the outcome of the game.

Now imagine that was a Super Bowl game. Both teams being NFC notwithstanding.

Truthfully, the NFL needs to adapt more technology and get these refs out of the game as much as possible. They screw up important games far too often.

That we can agree on for sure.

 

[Snotbubbles]

There was no sneakiness or mistake on the part of the Lions. They followed the rules to the T, and the ref made a mistake which altered the outcome of the game.

Now imagine that was a Super Bowl game. Both teams being NFC notwithstanding.

Truthfully, the NFL needs to adapt more technology and get these refs out of the game as much as possible. They screw up important games far too often.

Maybe, the coach should have his team kick an XP.

 

[jon_mx]

Should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Why was Campbell so dumb about that?

Because the game planned for going for two. Before they even started the drive Campbell told the offense if they score we are going for the win. You can call it stubbornness. What I see is character and a man keeping his word to the players.

 

[Bankerguy]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

This is the right answer...

100 percent nosense....70 was still 10 feet away when the ref ran off. 68 was right next to the ref pointing to his jersey. That is called reporting. Nothing 70 did in away way shape or form constituted reporting. I am not sure why this is even being debated. The ref 100 percent screwed up by telling Dallas the wrong number.
There is no way Detroit knew it and there was no way they could correct it. But in fairness, Dallas might have covered 68 if they were told correctly. But continually blaming the Lions is asinine with what we now know.

Please explain then why 3 lineman were the only 3 players near Allen? Why did 70 who had reported all game also run towards Allen and not the huddle?

They tried to get cute and yes Allen absolutely could have gotten it wrong, but I will sound like a broken record - the onus is on the reporting player. The video clearly shows no eye contact or acknowledgment of Allen accepting 68. He then correctly “runs away” and informs Dallas.

I find it funny that Detroit fans are measuring their victory on a play where the opposing team was informed by a ref that only 70 was eligible. They would not cover 68 lol.

I get it’s painful. It’s not why you lost. Sorry.

 

[kface]

Should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Why was Campbell so dumb about that?

Because the game planned for going for two. Before they even started the drive Campbell told the offense if they score we are going for the win. You can call it stubbornness. What I see is character and a man keeping his word to the players.

Or someone who makes bad decisions and refuses to change his mind....

 

[jobarules]

Excuse me, but if #68 didn't report, what is the fuss? I also believe they should have kicked the XP after the penalty. Campbell crap the bed on that one.

68 did report.

I watched the game and the announcers said he did not. Was it because it wasn't announced by the public address announcer? I'm confused.

The refs announced #70 despite #68 reporting. There's ****ed up.

 

[jobarules]

I watched the game and the announcers said he did not. Was it because it wasn't announced by the public address announcer? I'm confused.

The ref ###### up.

So are you saying #68 reported and the ref ignored it? If that is true he shouldn't be allowed to ever ref another game and is considered cheating. I was under the impression #68 didn't report. Is there video proof #68 reported and the ref ignored it?

Are you purposely ignoring every link in this thread?

 

[kface]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

This is the right answer...

100 percent nosense....70 was still 10 feet away when the ref ran off. 68 was right next to the ref pointing to his jersey. That is called reporting. Nothing 70 did in away way shape or form constituted reporting. I am not sure why this is even being debated. The ref 100 percent screwed up by telling Dallas the wrong number.
There is no way Detroit knew it and there was no way they could correct it. But in fairness, Dallas might have covered 68 if they were told correctly. But continually blaming the Lions is asinine with what we now know.

Please explain then why 3 lineman were the only 3 players near Allen? Why did 70 who had reported all game also run towards Allen and not the huddle?

They tried to get cute and yes Allen absolutely could have gotten it wrong, but I will sound like a broken record - the onus is on the reporting player. The video clearly shows no eye contact or acknowledgment of Allen accepting 68. He then correctly “runs away” and informs Dallas.

I find it funny that Detroit fans are measuring their victory on a play where the opposing team was informed by a ref that only 70 was eligible. They would not cover 68 lol.

I get it’s painful. It’s not why you lost. Sorry.

Agreed

There is nothing anywhere that there was a screw up on the refs part only (could have been on the lions and they are lying) and the fact that the play probably isn't successful if the ref does get it right.

Throw in the fact that even after all that they got 2 other attempts anyway that were not successful. This is mostly just noise from homers complaining

 

[massraider]

They tried to get cute and yes Allen absolutely could have gotten it wrong, but I will sound like a broken record - the onus is on the reporting player. The video clearly shows no eye contact or acknowledgment of Allen accepting 68. He then correctly “runs away” and informs Dallas.

Could have gotten it wrong?

He was running away before 70 even got close to him. Then reported 70 as eligible.

But you can tell from the video that there was no eye contact?


Unreal.

 

[massraider]

There is nothing anywhere that there was a screw up on the refs part

Lordy.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

This is the right answer...

100 percent nosense....70 was still 10 feet away when the ref ran off. 68 was right next to the ref pointing to his jersey. That is called reporting. Nothing 70 did in away way shape or form constituted reporting. I am not sure why this is even being debated. The ref 100 percent screwed up by telling Dallas the wrong number.
There is no way Detroit knew it and there was no way they could correct it. But in fairness, Dallas might have covered 68 if they were told correctly. But continually blaming the Lions is asinine with what we now know.

Please explain then why 3 lineman were the only 3 players near Allen? Why did 70 who had reported all game also run towards Allen and not the huddle?

58 was already there. 68 came running towards the ref clearing pointing to his jersey to report. 70 was still 10 feet away probably just curious and seeing what was happening. Trying to spin it into some kind of wild plot to confuse Dallas is silly as it had no impact what so ever on them. All Dallas cares about is who reported, and the ref got it wrong. No conspiracy, just a flat out mistake.

 

[Bankerguy]

I think some folks need to understand how a player “reports” from a refs perspective.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

….as I’ve said all along that is why it’s beyond stupid on the Lion’s.

On the actual play you can see Dallas pointing at 70 and discussing who is covering him.

And in what universe is that stupid on the Lions? The ref messed up. Stop blaming the Lions. The Lions had zero chance to correct it. The play clock was near zero and they had no timeouts. What are they supposed to do, figure out this clusterfrick and audible out of it in less than 2 seconds. RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT.

Agree. Detroit was out of timeouts. The play clock is 40 seconds, so there really isn't a lot of time to get the play in, have the players report, have the refs announce who is eligible and then correct any mistakes. If only Dallas would have called a timeout between Detroit scoring a TD and Detroit running the 2pt play, to give Detroit more time to make sure all their ducks were in a row...oh wait.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

Didn't Dallas cover #70?

They clearly account for him pre snap. You can see one player point at him.

Just re-watched the play. You are 100% correct. Dallas #33 points to #70 pre-snap. On the snap #33 accounts for #70. When #33 sees #70 is blocking, #33 shifts his attention to #5 who was in motion. That caused #5 to stop and block.

That is all true, but so what. The ref screwed up. Maybe the cover #68 if told correctly. But we will never know. The ref altered the game by his mistake and we will never know how it should have played out.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Even if the Lions didn’t do anything wrong, neither did the Cowboys. The ref told DAL 70 was eligible and there was no mention of 68. I have now seen reports that the ref announced 70 was eligible in the stadium with no mention of 68. The Cowboys defense pointed to 70 and covered him on the play. They had no idea 68 was a receiving option. I still think they should have picked up the flag and replayed the attempt (which would have ruined the element of surprise for the Lions).

So what? Now we're just arguing about which team should have borne the burden of the refs' mistake. As a fan of an AFC team, IDGAF about that.

Let's say the refs let the play stand. Dallas fans would be in here blasting the refs for announcing the wrong guy as eligible, and complaining that that cost them the game. They'd be right! I'm not here to defend the honor of the Lions or Cowboys. I'm just here to blast the refs for screwing up a hugely important play.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

….as I’ve said all along that is why it’s beyond stupid on the Lion’s.

On the actual play you can see Dallas pointing at 70 and discussing who is covering him.

And in what universe is that stupid on the Lions? The ref messed up. Stop blaming the Lions. The Lions had zero chance to correct it. The play clock was near zero and they had no timeouts. What are they supposed to do, figure out this clusterfrick and audible out of it in less than 2 seconds. RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT.

Agree. Detroit was out of timeouts. The play clock is 40 seconds, so there really isn't a lot of time to get the play in, have the players report, have the refs announce who is eligible and then correct any mistakes. If only Dallas would have called a timeout between Detroit scoring a TD and Detroit running the 2pt play, to give Detroit more time to make sure all their ducks were in a row...oh wait.

So in your world, Detroit should have anticipated the first time in the history of the NFL a ref screwing up a player reporting call and allowed enough time to correct it. Stretch Armstrong can't even reach that far.

 

[kface]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

….as I’ve said all along that is why it’s beyond stupid on the Lion’s.

On the actual play you can see Dallas pointing at 70 and discussing who is covering him.

And in what universe is that stupid on the Lions? The ref messed up. Stop blaming the Lions. The Lions had zero chance to correct it. The play clock was near zero and they had no timeouts. What are they supposed to do, figure out this clusterfrick and audible out of it in less than 2 seconds. RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT.

Agree. Detroit was out of timeouts. The play clock is 40 seconds, so there really isn't a lot of time to get the play in, have the players report, have the refs announce who is eligible and then correct any mistakes. If only Dallas would have called a timeout between Detroit scoring a TD and Detroit running the 2pt play, to give Detroit more time to make sure all their ducks were in a row...oh wait.

So in your world, Detroit should have anticipated the first time in the history of the NFL a ref screwing up a player reporting call and allowed enough time to correct it. Stretch Armstrong can't even reach that far.

You are still making an assumption that the ref screwed up and an even grosser assumption that it's the only time in the history of the nfl

 

[Snotbubbles]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

….as I’ve said all along that is why it’s beyond stupid on the Lion’s.

On the actual play you can see Dallas pointing at 70 and discussing who is covering him.

And in what universe is that stupid on the Lions? The ref messed up. Stop blaming the Lions. The Lions had zero chance to correct it. The play clock was near zero and they had no timeouts. What are they supposed to do, figure out this clusterfrick and audible out of it in less than 2 seconds. RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT.

Agree. Detroit was out of timeouts. The play clock is 40 seconds, so there really isn't a lot of time to get the play in, have the players report, have the refs announce who is eligible and then correct any mistakes. If only Dallas would have called a timeout between Detroit scoring a TD and Detroit running the 2pt play, to give Detroit more time to make sure all their ducks were in a row...oh wait.

So in your world, Detroit should have anticipated the first time in the history of the NFL a ref screwing up a player reporting call and allowed enough time to correct it. Stretch Armstrong can't even reach that far.

This is the first time in NFL history that a referee made an error?

 

[Bankerguy]

They tried to get cute and yes Allen absolutely could have gotten it wrong, but I will sound like a broken record - the onus is on the reporting player. The video clearly shows no eye contact or acknowledgment of Allen accepting 68. He then correctly “runs away” and informs Dallas.

Could have gotten it wrong?

He was running away before 70 even got close to him. Then reported 70 as eligible.

But you can tell from the video that there was no eye contact?


Unreal.

OMG.
I am saying:

It’s absolutely more than likely Allen got Detroit’s intentions wrong. I can also understand why.

I’m saying it’s also likely Detroit tried to be sneaky and clever by having the 3 other linemen close to the ref.

I’m saying at the end of the day the onus is on the reporting player to get recognized.

I’m saying based of the facts they were told by the referee. You can see 33 point at 70 to account for him. Dallas was not going to cover 68.

The fact Lion’s fans are saying this why they lost is kinda “Lion’s”.

 

[jon_mx]

There is nothing anywhere that there was a screw up on the refs part

Lordy.

Completely asinine to say that. All the video evidence clearly shows the ref screwed up.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't like how the ref walked away while guys were reporting.
I don't like what they said or how the ruled.

Micah and the Boys edges do get after it at the snap and fall for some runs and other plays because they're out of position. It's happened many times and is about the only remedy some Sundays to dealing with Micah. I get why Campbell planned this, practiced it, and discussed it with the ref pregame. Makes total sense.

This is not in my understandable cleverness category in my head. QB catching a pass, direct snaps to whoever, flea flicker, punter passing tackle eligible...- all those are stored up there just fine and fair game.

Tricking the other team about who reported to the ref by having him walk almost up to the ref...that's bush league stuff. Too over the top. They have to plan their own set and who is doing what just as the O is doing in the huddle. "You should have paid attention the whole time" is not reasonable imo.

I'm not the rule history guy but I do believe the ref announces who is eligible because of these very shenanigans many years ago. Before the game, planning to mess with some historical rule change....bush league.

If it happened without the pre game conversation then they'd have a better argument imo

Bush league? What is Bush league is making assumptions. Taylor Deckard was approaching the ref, pointing to his shirt. The ref ran away after acknowledging and told the defense WRONG. There was no effort on Detroits part to mislead anyone. This is 100 percent on the ref for telling the defense thr wrong number. You are reaching way to far to try to find something Detroit did wrong, including making stuff up.

Can we please STOP with Allen was running away from the Lions.

He goes directly to the Cowboys to tell Dallas D captain that 70 is reporting.

The Lion’s over played this trick play by sending 3 lineman running at the ref. Yes, it is plausible that Allen got the wrong player - but the onus is on the reporting player.

They were not screwed.

If the ref was "tricked" by this, and confused, seems like that would be on the ref for screwing up.

The Lions plan to use #70 as eligible the entire game and then on the last play switch from #70 to #68 was executed so great that they fooled the referee. The funny thing is, the play would have worked just as well if #70 was lined up as the LT instead of #68. The Lions can't be sneaky about who is eligible since the defense is alerted prior to the play which lineman is eligible. What the Lions did was a risk, that as you can see, wasn't worth whatever mythical advantage Detroit thought they were gaining.

….as I’ve said all along that is why it’s beyond stupid on the Lion’s.

On the actual play you can see Dallas pointing at 70 and discussing who is covering him.

And in what universe is that stupid on the Lions? The ref messed up. Stop blaming the Lions. The Lions had zero chance to correct it. The play clock was near zero and they had no timeouts. What are they supposed to do, figure out this clusterfrick and audible out of it in less than 2 seconds. RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT.

Agree. Detroit was out of timeouts. The play clock is 40 seconds, so there really isn't a lot of time to get the play in, have the players report, have the refs announce who is eligible and then correct any mistakes. If only Dallas would have called a timeout between Detroit scoring a TD and Detroit running the 2pt play, to give Detroit more time to make sure all their ducks were in a row...oh wait.

So in your world, Detroit should have anticipated the first time in the history of the NFL a ref screwing up a player reporting call and allowed enough time to correct it. Stretch Armstrong can't even reach that far.

This is the first time in NFL history that a referee made an error?

Cute how you leave out so many words in constructing that strawman.

 

[jon_mx]

I’m saying it’s also likely Detroit tried to be sneaky and clever by having the 3 other linemen close to the ref.

It not only unlikely, it makes no tactucal sense to do that. All Dallas cares about is what the ref tells them who reported.

 

[jon_mx]

You are still making an assumption that the ref screwed up and an even grosser assumption that it's the only time in the history of the nfl

i watched NFL football going on 50 years. I certainly don't watch every game, but I have heard about most controversial calls. I have never heard of a cased where:

1. A player checks in as eligible.
2. The ref misidentifies the players number to the defense..
3. The ref flags the team for his mistake.

If there was another case, surely someone in this forum can identify it.

 

[JohnnyU]

I watched the game and the announcers said he did not. Was it because it wasn't announced by the public address announcer? I'm confused.

The ref ###### up.

So are you saying #68 reported and the ref ignored it? If that is true he shouldn't be allowed to ever ref another game and is considered cheating. I was under the impression #68 didn't report. Is there video proof #68 reported and the ref ignored it?

Are you purposely ignoring every link in this thread?

Are you purposely ignoring my posts after this one? I believe I answered this and now understand most of what's going on. I said I hadn't read some earlier posts.

 

[Snotbubbles]

You are still making an assumption that the ref screwed up and an even grosser assumption that it's the only time in the history of the nfl

i watched NFL football going on 50 years. I certainly don't watch every game, but I have heard about most controversial calls. I have never heard of a cased where:

1. A player checks in as eligible.
2. The ref misidentifies the players number to the defense..
3. The ref flags the team for his mistake.

If there was another case, surely someone in this forum can identify it.

You probably never heard of it because if it occurred, it was in a situation that wasn't to win the game. That puts a spotlight on it. If this happens in the 2nd quarter, it's just a footnote.

 

[kface]

You are still making an assumption that the ref screwed up and an even grosser assumption that it's the only time in the history of the nfl

i watched NFL football going on 50 years. I certainly don't watch every game, but I have heard about most controversial calls. I have never heard of a cased where:

1. A player checks in as eligible.
2. The ref misidentifies the players number to the defense..
3. The ref flags the team for his mistake.

If there was another case, surely someone in this forum can identify it.

You probably never heard of it because if it occurred, it was in a situation that wasn't to win the game. That puts a spotlight on it. If this happens in the 2nd quarter, it's just a footnote.

If the lions score on their next two attempts as well this is just a footnote...

 

[jon_mx]

You are still making an assumption that the ref screwed up and an even grosser assumption that it's the only time in the history of the nfl

i watched NFL football going on 50 years. I certainly don't watch every game, but I have heard about most controversial calls. I have never heard of a cased where:

1. A player checks in as eligible.
2. The ref misidentifies the players number to the defense..
3. The ref flags the team for his mistake.

If there was another case, surely someone in this forum can identify it.

You probably never heard of it because if it occurred, it was in a situation that wasn't to win the game. That puts a spotlight on it. If this happens in the 2nd quarter, it's just a footnote.

If the lions score on their next two attempts as well this is just a footnote...

You are still making an assumption that the ref screwed up and an even grosser assumption that it's the only time in the history of the nfl

i watched NFL football going on 50 years. I certainly don't watch every game, but I have heard about most controversial calls. I have never heard of a cased where:

1. A player checks in as eligible.
2. The ref misidentifies the players number to the defense..
3. The ref flags the team for his mistake.

If there was another case, surely someone in this forum can identify it.

You probably never heard of it because if it occurred, it was in a situation that wasn't to win the game. That puts a spotlight on it. If this happens in the 2nd quarter, it's just a footnote.

If the lions score on their next two attempts as well this is just a footnote...

But they were robbed of the opportunity the play they practiced and planned to used. There is no way to recover that.

 

[JohnnyU]

"Therefore, he is an ineligible touching a pass that goes beyond the line, which makes it a foul," Allen said of Decker in the pool report. "So, the issue is, number 70 did report, number 68 did not."

Video showed Decker having a conversation with Allen, who then said something to the Cowboys' defense.

"That conversation is where [Skipper] reports to me, and I then go to the defensive team, and I say to them, '[Skipper] has reported as an eligible receiver,' so they will be aware of who has reported," Allen said in the pool report.

So it comes down to who do you believe?

 

[Anarchy99]

The other thing not being discussed is the Lions alerting the refs before the game. Who knows who they told and what they said? They could have said if the situation arose at the end of the game, they were going to run a tackle eligible play with an unbalanced line without any more specifics or details. The ref could have remembered that, and when he saw 70 run on the field felt that was the guy they were bringing in for the play that was outlined 4 hours earlier. That would help explain why the ref didn’t acknowledge 68 as being eligible.

 

[jon_mx]

You are still making an assumption that the ref screwed up and an even grosser assumption that it's the only time in the history of the nfl

i watched NFL football going on 50 years. I certainly don't watch every game, but I have heard about most controversial calls. I have never heard of a cased where:

1. A player checks in as eligible.
2. The ref misidentifies the players number to the defense..
3. The ref flags the team for his mistake.

If there was another case, surely someone in this forum can identify it.

You probably never heard of it because if it occurred, it was in a situation that wasn't to win the game. That puts a spotlight on it. If this happens in the 2nd quarter, it's just a footnote.

All ref screw ups in the NFL get scrutinized. Have you not read these forums? Post after post complaining about a miscall. If this happened before, people in here would know about it and be discussing it here.

 

[JohnnyU]

The other thing not being discussed is the Lions alerting the refs before the game. Who knows who they told and what they said? They could have said if the situation arose at the end of the game, they were going to run a tackle eligible play with an unbalanced line without any more specifics or details. The ref could have remembered that, and when he saw 70 run on the field felt that was the guy they were bringing in for the play that was outlined 4 hours earlier. That would help explain why the ref didn’t acknowledge 68 as being eligible.

Not sure why this is constantly being brought up. What was discussed before the game is irrelevant. Not sure why anyone would think this would be relevant.

 

[jon_mx]

"Therefore, he is an ineligible touching a pass that goes beyond the line, which makes it a foul," Allen said of Decker in the pool report. "So, the issue is, number 70 did report, number 68 did not."

Video showed Decker having a conversation with Allen, who then said something to the Cowboys' defense.

"That conversation is where [Skipper] reports to me, and I then go to the defensive team, and I say to them, '[Skipper] has reported as an eligible receiver,' so they will be aware of who has reported," Allen said in the pool report.

So it comes down to who do you believe?

Skipper did not arrive until after Allen left. Skipper was not pointing at his jersey, Decker was. Allen should be suspended at a minimum. His story does not stand up to the video facts.

 

[Anarchy99]

The other thing not being discussed is the Lions alerting the refs before the game. Who knows who they told and what they said? They could have said if the situation arose at the end of the game, they were going to run a tackle eligible play with an unbalanced line without any more specifics or details. The ref could have remembered that, and when he saw 70 run on the field felt that was the guy they were bringing in for the play that was outlined 4 hours earlier. That would help explain why the ref didn’t acknowledge 68 as being eligible.

Not sure why this is constantly being brought up. What was discussed before the game is irrelevant. Not sure why anyone would think this would be relevant.

It’s relevant because Campbell blew a gasket after the game telling reporters he went over the play they were going to run with the refs before the game. He reiterated that the refs knew what was coming, there was no way they could have got confused because he walked them through it pregame. That was the main point of his argument.

 

[JohnnyU]

The other thing not being discussed is the Lions alerting the refs before the game. Who knows who they told and what they said? They could have said if the situation arose at the end of the game, they were going to run a tackle eligible play with an unbalanced line without any more specifics or details. The ref could have remembered that, and when he saw 70 run on the field felt that was the guy they were bringing in for the play that was outlined 4 hours earlier. That would help explain why the ref didn’t acknowledge 68 as being eligible.

Not sure why this is constantly being brought up. What was discussed before the game is irrelevant. Not sure why anyone would think this would be relevant.

It’s relevant because Campbell blew a gasket after the game telling reporters he went over the play they were going to run with the refs before the game. He reiterated that the refs knew what was coming, there was no way they could have got confused because he walked them through it pregame. That was the main point of his argument.

I guess Campbell is too trustworthy. I personally don't think it matters that Campbell discussed the play before the game. I wouldn't think the refs want to hear about what teams may or may not do during the game. I don't think that is within their purview.

 

[Anarchy99]

The other thing not being discussed is the Lions alerting the refs before the game. Who knows who they told and what they said? They could have said if the situation arose at the end of the game, they were going to run a tackle eligible play with an unbalanced line without any more specifics or details. The ref could have remembered that, and when he saw 70 run on the field felt that was the guy they were bringing in for the play that was outlined 4 hours earlier. That would help explain why the ref didn’t acknowledge 68 as being eligible.

Not sure why this is constantly being brought up. What was discussed before the game is irrelevant. Not sure why anyone would think this would be relevant.

It’s relevant because Campbell blew a gasket after the game telling reporters he went over the play they were going to run with the refs before the game. He reiterated that the refs knew what was coming, there was no way they could have got confused because he walked them through it pregame. That was the main point of his argument.

I guess Campbell is too trustworthy. I personally don't think it matters that Campbell discussed the play before the game. I wouldn't think the refs want to hear about what teams may or may not do during the game. I don't think that is in their purview.

What he should have done was remind the refs right BEFORE the TD that they were going to go for two with a tackle eligible play with an unbalanced line if they scored. Then after they scored, he should have pulled a ref aside and said he wanted 68 eligible and remind them that it was a legal formation.