Blueprint Juice Diet (4 Viewers)

[Ned]

You can do it, DrJ. Just 2 more posts and this would be the first time someone outposts Otis in his own thread.

Member name PostsOtis 37DrJ 36proninja 13Kool-Aid Larry 10Slapdash 8

 

[zDragon]

Fixed Link.

Still not found. I found your error though and got to the article.

7. The truth

The junk food diet works. But only when the consumer remains at a calorie deficit (an extremely high deficit in Haub’s case). Any calorie restricted diet, for that matter, works. There is a reason why “calories in should be less than calories out” is called the golden rule of fat loss.

Junk food (sugary treats and highly processed foods) have an addictive effect on the consumer that is even higher than cocaine.

A diet dominated by junk food does not nourish the body with the required vitamins, minerals and anti-oxidants which might result in long term internal damages which might prove to be irreversible and even fatal (cancer etc.).

Calorie restriction while on a diet which is high in empty calories is extremely hard to stick to and most people will fall off the wagon very quickly (at least when they are not the center of media attention!)

A diet built around high quality ingredients is extremely satiating in addition to adequately nourishing the body and hence sustainable in the long run.

Gee, even he agrees that calories in and calories out are the "golden rule" of fat loss. Not really all that much to see here, other than him agreeing that this works along with a bunch of stuff he doesn't adequately substantiate. One of which is entirely false in my experience, calorie restriction on a diet high in empty calories isn't hard to stick to.He also notes that the guy is a PhD in subjects related to this and is probably more informed on this subject than anyone in this thread.

Mark Haub is a 41 yr old nutrition professor with great educational credentials (MS in Exercise Science & PhD in Exercise Physiology) and respectable experience.

And here's Haub's thoughts on the whole thing:

"I wish I could say the outcomes are unhealthy. I wish I could say it's healthy. I'm not confident enough in doing that. That frustrates a lot of people. One side says it's irresponsible. It is unhealthy, but the data doesn't say that."

Otis' goal is to lose weight. Bottom line is that I'm 100% accurate that he can eat whatever the hell he likes in appropriate portions and accomplish that. The rest of the stuff is for diet nerds, who really don't actually have much of a clue, to debate. And none of their debates have proven conclusive or you wouldn't have 20 diets that are all in direct contrast to each other claiming to be healthy. 50 years from now we'll find that all of your fad diets are bad for you, too.

He is also over weight. Also the underlined is pretty important. Eating junk food is bad for you and BMI does not mean anything.Anyway, eat your junk food and I'll eat my healthy food and not worry about having to try fad diets or gimmicks such as the Twinkie diet you mentioned.

Yeah, you're going to take comparing sugar to cocaine as some sort of truth while you've ignored the scientific fact that it all comes down to calories this entire time. Go figure.

I never argued the calories part. So why do you keep mentioning it? My point was BMI tells you nothing and is useless.

The second point was eating lean meat, veggies, nuts, and fruits is good for you. Eating junk food is not. Let's see that fattie, yes he was obese to start with which explains why he thought of a twinkie diet, eat that way for two years and stay healthy. While you support putting sorbic acid, cellulose gum, Polysorbate 60, calcium sulfate and petroleum as a snack. I say eating a banana, apple, or strawberries is healthier.

Otis would be better off learning to eat healthy and do two to three days of short high intensity workouts instead of starving himself by eating 800 calories of Twinkies and Donuts or only drinking a questionable liquid beverage

I'm done. If you think putting that crap in your body makes you healthy then go for it.

 

[Otis]

Feeling so sick. Finally relented and had a half cup of black coffee. It's only helping the headache very little. This was a terrible idea. I talked to a hundred pound chick at my office who informed me she tried this last year and only made it 2 days. I may do the same here. This is brutal. It's like a really bad hangover that sticks with you all day. I may or may not puke these vile juices all over my commuter train on the way home. I may have to pull the ripcord in the morning. Ill stay on the low cal super healthy diet, but this is nuts. Anyone want expensive juice?

 

[Otis]

Wait, there's a Twinkie diet?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Feeling so sick. Finally relented and had a half cup of black coffee. It's only helping the headache very little. This was a terrible idea. I talked to a hundred pound chick at my office who informed me she tried this last year and only made it 2 days. I may do the same here. This is brutal. It's like a really bad hangover that sticks with you all day. I may or may not puke these vile juices all over my commuter train on the way home. I may have to pull the ripcord in the morning. Ill stay on the low cal super healthy diet, but this is nuts. Anyone want expensive juice?

I don't even know what to say anymore.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Blueprint juice?

 

[Otis]

Feeling so sick. Finally relented and had a half cup of black coffee. It's only helping the headache very little. This was a terrible idea. I talked to a hundred pound chick at my office who informed me she tried this last year and only made it 2 days. I may do the same here. This is brutal. It's like a really bad hangover that sticks with you all day. I may or may not puke these vile juices all over my commuter train on the way home. I may have to pull the ripcord in the morning. Ill stay on the low cal super healthy diet, but this is nuts. Anyone want expensive juice?

I don't even know what to say anymore.

"Congrats on not eating today"?

 

[Statcruncher]

Anyone want expensive juice?

Do you have Woz's address?

 

[Chaka]

The what is it? Guy made a hypothesis, ran an experiment to validate it, the experiment indeed validated it.

It's an isolated, uncontrolled experiment performed on an individual without real supervision. None of that adds up to scientific anything.ETA: And I apologize to everyone else for buying into the hijack.

 

[Otis]

THE EAGLE HAS LANDED

Today's the 5th?I'll set the O/U at the morning of the 9th.

Terrible over-estimation here

Mostly because it was a 3-day program.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Anything to see here? I skimmed page 1Still got the fats Otis?

 

[Otis]

Just had some crackers. Wife baking up a piece of tilapia and some broccoli. May even break out a glass of red wine.SUCK IT, JUICE NERDS

 

[Otis]

Anything to see here? I skimmed page 1Still got the fats Otis?

A little less fat. Clocked about a thousand calories each day this week. Gonna binge tonight and push for 1200.Oh and don't do a juice diet. Ever.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Otis, how much would you be willing to pay me if I coach you to your weight loss goal?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

How much was the juice. :lazy:

 

[Chaka]

A guy like you is going to get tired of tilapia and broccoli in a hurry.

 

[Otis]

Otis, how much would you be willing to pay me if I coach you to your weight loss goal?

If you can get me to 210 I'd give you one thousand American dollars.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Otis, how much would you be willing to pay me if I coach you to your weight loss goal?

If you can get me to 210 I'd give you one thousand American dollars.

Current weight?

 

[DrJ]

The what is it? Guy made a hypothesis, ran an experiment to validate it, the experiment indeed validated it.

It's an isolated, uncontrolled experiment performed on an individual without real supervision. None of that adds up to scientific anything.ETA: And I apologize to everyone else for buying into the hijack.

Pfft.

 

[DrJ]

Otis, how much would you be willing to pay me if I coach you to your weight loss goal?

If you can get me to 210 I'd give you one thousand American dollars.

I've already given you all of my secrets for free. You can't even pay for info this good.

 

[DrJ]

A guy like you is going to get tired of tilapia and broccoli in a hurry.

Which was the whole point of the "hijack". It's entirely relevant to the thread, even if it isn't as funny as Otis making himself look stupid.

 

[DrJ]

Wait, there's a Twinkie diet?

Not anymore. But there's plenty of substitutes. I can fix you if you're just willing to listen. No exercise (I haven't physically exerted myself since October or so). No starvation. It doesn't get better than this. Together we can shock the world.Let's start here - what's your regular diet previous to this juice and broccoli ordeal?

 

[OC Zed]

Otis, how much would you be willing to pay me if I coach you to your weight loss goal?

If you can get me to 210 I'd give you one thousand American dollars.

You need to get on the Zed diet & exercise plan. I'll get you emaciated trim in no time.

 

[Otis]

Otis, how much would you be willing to pay me if I coach you to your weight loss goal?

If you can get me to 210 I'd give you one thousand American dollars.

You need to get on the Zed diet & exercise plan. I'll get you emaciated trim in no time.

Otis and Zed are just built differently. You'd never get me trim like zed.

 

[Otis]

Wait, there's a Twinkie diet?

Not anymore. But there's plenty of substitutes. I can fix you if you're just willing to listen. No exercise (I haven't physically exerted myself since October or so). No starvation. It doesn't get better than this. Together we can shock the world.Let's start here - what's your regular diet previous to this juice and broccoli ordeal?

If you're telling me I can eat the equivalent of a Twinkie diet and I can lose 30lbs, I'm listening.

 

[John Bender]

Otis doesn't need diet tips or plans. He needs to pay 1000 dollars to a midget to follow him around everywhere and zap him with a shock collar every time he touches bad-for-you food.I know - because I'm the same way

 

[12punch]

Otis, how much would you be willing to pay me if I coach you to your weight loss goal?

If you can get me to 210 I'd give you one thousand American dollars.

####, for a rack I'll handcuff you to a radiator in my basement

 

[Otis]

Otis doesn't need diet tips or plans. He needs to pay 1000 dollars to a midget to follow him around everywhere and zap him with a shock collar every time he touches bad-for-you food.I know - because I'm the same way

Not an awful suggestion.

 

[John Bender]

Otis doesn't need diet tips or plans. He needs to pay 1000 dollars to a midget to follow him around everywhere and zap him with a shock collar every time he touches bad-for-you food.I know - because I'm the same way

Not an awful suggestion.

Kind of weird, but find a photo of you when you were thin. Put it as your cell phone wall paper or home screen. TRy to look at it before going to eat. It's all psychological for most people these days. We don't need trainers or diet plans, all the resources are at our finger tips now, all the science has been done. It's just about doing it.

 

[OC Zed]

I have known Otis for twenty years and be goes on these kinds of diets every few months (usually it is a slim shake one)

He stays with it for a week and then has a bender and wakes up with empty McDonalds bags all over his room, powdered sugar on his face and a credit card receipt of $200 worth of beer in his pocket

The issue for him (and many other people) isn't the first two or three days, it's staying disciplined. I always say to him that he should get some moderate regular excercise and cut out the real junk (donuts, chocolate chip cookies, Oreos) would see results.

The other thing is that he hates vegetables. He takes the tomato off of a burger, scrapes the lettuce off of a chicken sandwich

Small steps that are sustainable are much more effective than a crash diet IMHO

We need some old Chubby Righetti "before" photos to compare with the current Righetti photos found in here.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Wait, there's a Twinkie diet?

Not anymore. But there's plenty of substitutes. I can fix you if you're just willing to listen. No exercise (I haven't physically exerted myself since October or so). No starvation. It doesn't get better than this. Together we can shock the world.Let's start here - what's your regular diet previous to this juice and broccoli ordeal?

If you're telling me I can eat the equivalent of a Twinkie diet and I can lose 30lbs, I'm listening.

it's absolutely true.eat just one twinkie per day, and nothing else, and the weight will fall off.

I can sell you these twinkies for $75 ea.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I have met both zed and righetti in RL. Is Otis the fat funny friend ala Seth rogen ?

 

[bigbottom]

Feeling so sick. Finally relented and had a half cup of black coffee. It's only helping the headache very little. This was a terrible idea. I talked to a hundred pound chick at my office who informed me she tried this last year and only made it 2 days. I may do the same here. This is brutal. It's like a really bad hangover that sticks with you all day. I may or may not puke these vile juices all over my commuter train on the way home. I may have to pull the ripcord in the morning. Ill stay on the low cal super healthy diet, but this is nuts. Anyone want expensive juice?

What's the return policy? Two days of juice costs more than your last suit purchase, right?

 

[Otis]

Feeling so sick. Finally relented and had a half cup of black coffee. It's only helping the headache very little. This was a terrible idea. I talked to a hundred pound chick at my office who informed me she tried this last year and only made it 2 days. I may do the same here. This is brutal. It's like a really bad hangover that sticks with you all day. I may or may not puke these vile juices all over my commuter train on the way home. I may have to pull the ripcord in the morning. Ill stay on the low cal super healthy diet, but this is nuts. Anyone want expensive juice?

What's the return policy? Two days of juice costs more than your last suit purchase, right?

Comparable. All of said suit and juice will end up in the trash.

 

[OC Zed]

I have met both zed and righetti in RL. Is Otis the fat funny friend ala Seth rogen ?

It depends on whether I'm Paul Rudd. Righetti could be the Jason Segel of this crew.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I'll try the juice. How much was it?

 

[Otis]

I have met both zed and righetti in RL. Is Otis the fat funny friend ala Seth rogen ?

Let's hang out, brah. I used to be scared of you but then I realized I just had you confused with this guy.

RN

 

[Sarnoff]

Sounds like a healthy, sustainable diet plan!

Yeah, those fruits and vegetables are terrible for you. :foodpyramid:

oof

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I have met both zed and righetti in RL. Is Otis the fat funny friend ala Seth rogen ?

It depends on whether I'm Paul Rudd. Righetti could be the Jason Segel of this crew.

You're more Seth green

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I have met both zed and righetti in RL. Is Otis the fat funny friend ala Seth rogen ?

Let's hang out, brah. I used to be scared of you but then I realized I just had you confused with this guy.

RN

/inmrs da raiders has been on me to go to NYC

 

[DrJ]

Wait, there's a Twinkie diet?

Not anymore. But there's plenty of substitutes. I can fix you if you're just willing to listen. No exercise (I haven't physically exerted myself since October or so). No starvation. It doesn't get better than this. Together we can shock the world.Let's start here - what's your regular diet previous to this juice and broccoli ordeal?

If you're telling me I can eat the equivalent of a Twinkie diet and I can lose 30lbs, I'm listening.

According to this, it looks like your number for 210 lbs is 2400 calories. I'm making some assumptions here and plugged in that you're 35, and you are sedentary and do no exercise.http://www.thinandhealthyforever.com/CalorieRequirement.asp

So basically, eat whatever the hell you like so long as it all amounts to 2400 calories. If you go over one day, skip breakfast the next day or something. Twinkies, oreos, cheeseburgers, beer, whatever. All the coffee you like, that's actually good for you. Go to your GNC and get some vitamins and crap if you actually go really empty on these calories. Boom! You'll be a lean mean fighting machine. If you're 250 today, that takes like 2700 calories to maintain. You're talking 300 calories that you need to remove.

Now, if you want to get healthy, talk to one of those other guys. But this will make you 210.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Wait, there's a Twinkie diet?

Not anymore. But there's plenty of substitutes. I can fix you if you're just willing to listen. No exercise (I haven't physically exerted myself since October or so). No starvation. It doesn't get better than this. Together we can shock the world.Let's start here - what's your regular diet previous to this juice and broccoli ordeal?

If you're telling me I can eat the equivalent of a Twinkie diet and I can lose 30lbs, I'm listening.

According to this, it looks like your number for 210 lbs is 2400 calories. I'm making some assumptions here and plugged in that you're 35, and you are sedentary and do no exercise.http://www.thinandhealthyforever.com/CalorieRequirement.asp

So basically, eat whatever the hell you like so long as it all amounts to 2400 calories. If you go over one day, skip breakfast the next day or something. Twinkies, oreos, cheeseburgers, beer, whatever. All the coffee you like, that's actually good for you. Go to your GNC and get some vitamins and crap if you actually go really empty on these calories. Boom! You'll be a lean mean fighting machine. If you're 250 today, that takes like 2700 calories to maintain. You're talking 300 calories that you need to remove.

Now, if you want to get healthy, talk to one of those other guys. But this will make you 210.

3500 Calories To Lose A Pound – Is This Formula All Wrong?

 

[DrJ]

Wait, there's a Twinkie diet?

Not anymore. But there's plenty of substitutes. I can fix you if you're just willing to listen. No exercise (I haven't physically exerted myself since October or so). No starvation. It doesn't get better than this. Together we can shock the world.Let's start here - what's your regular diet previous to this juice and broccoli ordeal?

If you're telling me I can eat the equivalent of a Twinkie diet and I can lose 30lbs, I'm listening.

According to this, it looks like your number for 210 lbs is 2400 calories. I'm making some assumptions here and plugged in that you're 35, and you are sedentary and do no exercise.http://www.thinandhealthyforever.com/CalorieRequirement.asp

So basically, eat whatever the hell you like so long as it all amounts to 2400 calories. If you go over one day, skip breakfast the next day or something. Twinkies, oreos, cheeseburgers, beer, whatever. All the coffee you like, that's actually good for you. Go to your GNC and get some vitamins and crap if you actually go really empty on these calories. Boom! You'll be a lean mean fighting machine. If you're 250 today, that takes like 2700 calories to maintain. You're talking 300 calories that you need to remove.

Now, if you want to get healthy, talk to one of those other guys. But this will make you 210.

3500 Calories To Lose A Pound – Is This Formula All Wrong?

Absolutely correct. By my calculations he will lose about 3 lbs a month and it will take him about a year. He can restrict further for a time to make that happen faster. If he wants this by May, he'll have to step it up a bit. Worry about next May instead I say, this is something you can maintain. Cut your Beef Sandwich in half and that's 300 calories. The weight will just melt off.

 

[Otis]

DrJ has a point here. Really, he had me at "Twinkies."

 

[Otis]

That glass of fermented fruit juice was the best thing I've had in days.

 

[DrJ]

DrJ has a point here. Really, he had me at "Twinkies."

You work on patent law, right? Any way I could package this up, throw a few disclaimers on it and patent it? Bottom line is that there's an assload of people out there that don't care about being healthy, they simply want to look healthy. There's a gigantic market for this #### if you ask me. We're talking boatloads if marketed properly.

 

[OC Zed]

Tonight's weigh-in?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

DrJ has a point here. Really, he had me at "Twinkies."

You work on patent law, right? Any way I could package this up, throw a few disclaimers on it and patent it? Bottom line is that there's an assload of people out there that don't care about being healthy, they simply want to look healthy. There's a gigantic market for this #### if you ask me. We're talking boatloads if marketed properly.

I'm still not buying in.were you the one saying you pounded 2 liter cokes?on the dr j diet plan otis could drink a 2 liter coke (800 cal)eat a Scrambled eggs and bacon breakfast:Two large eggs (143)Three strips of bacon (138)1/2 cup hash browns (207)One slice whole wheat toast (100)Total: 588 calorieswhopper for lunch (700 cal)and be left with 300 cal to make it through the day.and that's with no fries.my point being that your junk food diet is too calorie dense compared with food value.on the other hand, the healthy food diet lets him eat 5.5 lbs of tilapia, which really doesn't sound right for losing weight, but that's what the numbers say at 27 cal/oz.I DO, however, 110% agree with and endorse the portion control approach.basically, don't eat like a ####### pig or you'll turn into one.

 

[bostonfred]

I never thought id say this, but I want otis to give me the juice.Ool

 

[proninja]

I never thought id say this, but I want otis to give me the juice.Ool