Blueprint Juice Diet (2 Viewers)

[bigbottom]

Well, this thread inspired me to get a Vitamix for the wife for Valentine's Day. Sprung for the Professional Series 750. Wife freaked out at the expense, but I'm pretty psyched to give it a spin. Looking forward to using it for homemade salsa and soups.

such a romantic

She's going to sit on it later.

Please write a song about that...

Don't Fear the Blender

 

[bigbottom]

Well, this thread inspired me to get a Vitamix for the wife for Valentine's Day. Sprung for the Professional Series 750. Wife freaked out at the expense, but I'm pretty psyched to give it a spin. Looking forward to using it for homemade salsa and soups.

such a romantic

"Hey, fattie...try drinking a salad once in a while."

 

[bigbottom]

Well, this thread inspired me to get a Vitamix for the wife for Valentine's Day. Sprung for the Professional Series 750. Wife freaked out at the expense, but I'm pretty psyched to give it a spin. Looking forward to using it for homemade salsa and soups.

You shouldve got your wife a new bowling ball

Why? The wife fancies herself an amateur chef and is a big health nut. We have more money invested in cookware and cutlery than I do in guitars.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The slower metabolism makes it harder to lose weight. My point was more than skipping a couple meals, then eating a dinner (often too big to make up for the lack of nutrition/calories) can end up working against weight loss.

Okay but the study you cited showed that is not the case.From one meal/day to three meals/day the study subjects body weight went from 65.9 to 67.7 kg, their fat mass went from 14.2 to 16.3 kg and their fat-free mass went from 50.9 to 49.4 kg.I am not saying these are huge numbers or an argument in favor of eating one meal/day for 8 weeks at a time (which is what they did in the study) but it certainly does nothing to convince me that having one meal a day is (or fasting for a day) is bad for you.I am pretty sure that you are off on this one Deepster.

What am I missing about "Over the long term, a slow metabolism can sabotage your weight-loss efforts"?

That sentence was not from the study that was cited; it was a bit of editorializing by the Livestrong author.It's true that, other things being equal, a slow metabolism will make losing weight more difficult; and it's also true that fasting* slows your metabolism. It doesn't follow, however, that fasting won't cause you to lose a lot of weight. When you fast, other things aren't equal: your calorie consumption plummets. I linked to a pic earlier of people who were part of a starvation study. They were extremely skinny. Everybody at Auschwitz was also extremely skinny. Sure, their metabolisms slowed, but when you reduce your metabolism by 30% while reducing your caloric intake by 90%, the result is massive fat loss.That said, voluntary starvation is a very poor method of weight loss. I don't think anybody is recommending that. But that's not primarily because it slows your metabolism; it's primarily because it totally sucks and is impossible to stick to. (And involuntary starvation sucks even worse.)____*Note: I am talking about long-term fasting, which isn't very relevant to intermittent fasting. As far as I know, fasting for less than a couple days doesn't slow your metabolism. I thought that long-term fasting was the subject of your original post on this tangent, but I may have been mistaken about that.

 

[Slapdash]

Now can we get a scale update from Otis already or do we have to wait until Friday?

We haven't had one in like a week, right?

 

[bigbottom]

Now can we get a scale update from Otis already or do we have to wait until Friday?

We haven't had one in like a week, right?

Given his food updates, I'm confident he's making progress. He's just waiting until he can post a photo at his goal weight.

 

[Statcruncher]

Or he's in a dark room weeping after his latest binge forced him to hide the remains of several Oreo family packs in the bottom of the dumpster.

 

[Deepster]

What am I missing about "Over the long term, a slow metabolism can sabotage your weight-loss efforts"?

That sentence was not from the study that was cited; it was a bit of editorializing by the Livestrong author.It's true that, other things being equal, a slow metabolism will make losing weight more difficult; and it's also true that fasting* slows your metabolism. It doesn't follow, however, that fasting won't cause you to lose a lot of weight. When you fast, other things aren't equal: your calorie consumption plummets. I linked to a pic earlier of people who were part of a starvation study. They were extremely skinny. Everybody at Auschwitz was also extremely skinny. Sure, their metabolisms slowed, but when you reduce your metabolism by 30% while reducing your caloric intake by 90%, the result is massive fat loss.That said, voluntary starvation is a very poor method of weight loss. I don't think anybody is recommending that. But that's not primarily because it slows your metabolism; it's primarily because it totally sucks and is impossible to stick to. (And involuntary starvation sucks even worse.)____*Note: I am talking about long-term fasting, which isn't very relevant to intermittent fasting. As far as I know, fasting for less than a couple days doesn't slow your metabolism. I thought that long-term fasting was the subject of your original post on this tangent, but I may have been mistaken about that.

I agree with all of this. I probably wrote too quickly and don't feel I've made the point I was trying to make. Basically, when someone like Otis has this crackpot plan of skipping breakfast and lunch, they overeat at dinner and then sleep on it. There are more effective ways of losing weight with less "effort" than starving yourself all day, every day. And, besides that, he's never, ever, ever going to build that into a habit or lifestyle change.I made a mistake in saying "fat storage" earlier. I didn't elaborate on the slow metabolism as well as I probably could have after that. I just mean that skipping meals for a 20 hour stretch every day might not always result in what you would expect if you just starve yourself, then overeat in that one dinner meal.

 

[proninja]

What am I missing about "Over the long term, a slow metabolism can sabotage your weight-loss efforts"?

That sentence was not from the study that was cited; it was a bit of editorializing by the Livestrong author.It's true that, other things being equal, a slow metabolism will make losing weight more difficult; and it's also true that fasting* slows your metabolism. It doesn't follow, however, that fasting won't cause you to lose a lot of weight. When you fast, other things aren't equal: your calorie consumption plummets. I linked to a pic earlier of people who were part of a starvation study. They were extremely skinny. Everybody at Auschwitz was also extremely skinny. Sure, their metabolisms slowed, but when you reduce your metabolism by 30% while reducing your caloric intake by 90%, the result is massive fat loss.That said, voluntary starvation is a very poor method of weight loss. I don't think anybody is recommending that. But that's not primarily because it slows your metabolism; it's primarily because it totally sucks and is impossible to stick to. (And involuntary starvation sucks even worse.)____*Note: I am talking about long-term fasting, which isn't very relevant to intermittent fasting. As far as I know, fasting for less than a couple days doesn't slow your metabolism. I thought that long-term fasting was the subject of your original post on this tangent, but I may have been mistaken about that.

I agree with all of this. I probably wrote too quickly and don't feel I've made the point I was trying to make. Basically, when someone like Otis has this crackpot plan of skipping breakfast and lunch, they overeat at dinner and then sleep on it. There are more effective ways of losing weight with less "effort" than starving yourself all day, every day. And, besides that, he's never, ever, ever going to build that into a habit or lifestyle change.I made a mistake in saying "fat storage" earlier. I didn't elaborate on the slow metabolism as well as I probably could have after that. I just mean that skipping meals for a 20 hour stretch every day might not always result in what you would expect if you just starve yourself, then overeat in that one dinner meal.

Link to where that is Otis's plan? I'm pretty sure you've changed your argument to the point of it being a straw man.

 

[Slapdash]

Now can we get a scale update from Otis already or do we have to wait until Friday?

We haven't had one in like a week, right?

Given his food updates, I'm confident he's making progress. He's just waiting until he can post a photo at his goal weight.

Most of his updates seem to consist of the details of how he starved himself for the first 12 hours of the day.

 

[bigbottom]

Now can we get a scale update from Otis already or do we have to wait until Friday?

We haven't had one in like a week, right?

Given his food updates, I'm confident he's making progress. He's just waiting until he can post a photo at his goal weight.

Most of his updates seem to consist of the details of how he starved himself for the first 12 hours of the day.

And then having a reasonably healthy dinner with a couple glasses of wine. So long as he does that, he'll continue to lose weight.

 

[proninja]

Now can we get a scale update from Otis already or do we have to wait until Friday?

We haven't had one in like a week, right?

Given his food updates, I'm confident he's making progress. He's just waiting until he can post a photo at his goal weight.

Most of his updates seem to consist of the details of how he starved himself for the first 12 hours of the day.

And then having a reasonably healthy dinner with a couple glasses of wine. So long as he does that, he'll continue to lose weight.

He's going to have to eat more if he wants to lose weight /ffa

 

[DrJ]

Now can we get a scale update from Otis already or do we have to wait until Friday?

We haven't had one in like a week, right?

Given his food updates, I'm confident he's making progress. He's just waiting until he can post a photo at his goal weight.

Most of his updates seem to consist of the details of how he starved himself for the first 12 hours of the day.

And then having a reasonably healthy dinner with a couple glasses of wine. So long as he does that, he'll continue to lose weight.

He's going to have to eat more if he wants to lose weight /ffa

If he wants to lose it permanently he's going to have to find a diet that he can stand permanently. Few people can get by starving themselves like this unless they're from Ethiopia. And even the Ethiopians are probably laughing at how badly he's starving himself.

 

[proninja]

HEY OTIS, IF YOU WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP EATING NOT VERY MUCH HEALTHY FOOD The absolute lack of reason and understanding in here by a group of posters has me pretty convinced this thread is the grown up version of grade schoolers making fun of the fat kid on the playground.

 

[OC Zed]

Well, this thread inspired me to get a Vitamix for the wife for Valentine's Day. Sprung for the Professional Series 750. Wife freaked out at the expense, but I'm pretty psyched to give it a spin. Looking forward to using it for homemade salsa and soups.

You shouldve got your wife a new bowling ball

Why? The wife fancies herself an amateur chef and is a big health nut. We have more money invested in cookware and cutlery than I do in guitars.

I'd love to see a separate thread dedicated to the blender experience. (Seriously.)

 

[DrJ]

HEY OTIS, IF YOU WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP EATING NOT VERY MUCH HEALTHY FOOD The absolute lack of reason and understanding in here by a group of posters has me pretty convinced this thread is the grown up version of grade schoolers making fun of the fat kid on the playground.

You're talking short term, we're talking long term. Big difference. Once you realize this, the statements make a whole lot more sense. The thread basically reminds me of a bunch of cult members trying to convert Otis to their diet related religion.

 

[DrJ]

I found a pretty good article on the health benefits of wine and alcohol. Drink up, it's good for you.http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/dietandphysicalactivity/alcohol-use-and-cancer

 

[proninja]

HEY OTIS, IF YOU WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP EATING NOT VERY MUCH HEALTHY FOOD The absolute lack of reason and understanding in here by a group of posters has me pretty convinced this thread is the grown up version of grade schoolers making fun of the fat kid on the playground.

You're talking short term, we're talking long term. Big difference. Once you realize this, the statements make a whole lot more sense. The thread basically reminds me of a bunch of cult members trying to convert Otis to their diet related religion.

Good crud. The guy is fat. He's eating quality food and running a caloric deficit. If, when he starts to get more hungry, he eats a little bit more of the same foods, he'll be fine. What he's doing is sustainable, as long as he's eating to satiety. He just hasn't sustained it very long, and has a history of not sustaining it, and lots of people like to mock him for it like 3rd graders on a playground. Like you. You have no idea what you're talking about, but it doesn't stop you from talking a whole lot.

 

[DrJ]

HEY OTIS, IF YOU WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP EATING NOT VERY MUCH HEALTHY FOOD The absolute lack of reason and understanding in here by a group of posters has me pretty convinced this thread is the grown up version of grade schoolers making fun of the fat kid on the playground.

You're talking short term, we're talking long term. Big difference. Once you realize this, the statements make a whole lot more sense. The thread basically reminds me of a bunch of cult members trying to convert Otis to their diet related religion.

Good crud. The guy is fat. He's eating quality food and running a caloric deficit. If, when he starts to get more hungry, he eats a little bit more of the same foods, he'll be fine. What he's doing is sustainable, as long as he's eating to satiety. He just hasn't sustained it very long, and has a history of not sustaining it, and lots of people like to mock him for it like 3rd graders on a playground. Like you. You have no idea what you're talking about, but it doesn't stop you from talking a whole lot.

Most definitely a cult. It's alright man, as long as your insane diet religion suits you, that's what matters. No reason to take it so personally.

 

[Otis]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

 

[OC Zed]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

Scale update?And TGIF? Really? No, really?

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

Thank god we have proninja here to defend Otis' honor.

 

[proninja]

Thank god we have proninja here to defend Otis' honor.

These diet/nutrition threads amuse me. Usually they are full of reasonable, inquisitive people. Otis is a big boy who doesn't appear to be bothered in the least by this, and if he was he shouldn't post it. I'm just here to point out the dumb.

 

[Deepster]

What am I missing about "Over the long term, a slow metabolism can sabotage your weight-loss efforts"?

That sentence was not from the study that was cited; it was a bit of editorializing by the Livestrong author.It's true that, other things being equal, a slow metabolism will make losing weight more difficult; and it's also true that fasting* slows your metabolism. It doesn't follow, however, that fasting won't cause you to lose a lot of weight. When you fast, other things aren't equal: your calorie consumption plummets. I linked to a pic earlier of people who were part of a starvation study. They were extremely skinny. Everybody at Auschwitz was also extremely skinny. Sure, their metabolisms slowed, but when you reduce your metabolism by 30% while reducing your caloric intake by 90%, the result is massive fat loss.That said, voluntary starvation is a very poor method of weight loss. I don't think anybody is recommending that. But that's not primarily because it slows your metabolism; it's primarily because it totally sucks and is impossible to stick to. (And involuntary starvation sucks even worse.)____*Note: I am talking about long-term fasting, which isn't very relevant to intermittent fasting. As far as I know, fasting for less than a couple days doesn't slow your metabolism. I thought that long-term fasting was the subject of your original post on this tangent, but I may have been mistaken about that.

I agree with all of this. I probably wrote too quickly and don't feel I've made the point I was trying to make. Basically, when someone like Otis has this crackpot plan of skipping breakfast and lunch, they overeat at dinner and then sleep on it. There are more effective ways of losing weight with less "effort" than starving yourself all day, every day. And, besides that, he's never, ever, ever going to build that into a habit or lifestyle change.I made a mistake in saying "fat storage" earlier. I didn't elaborate on the slow metabolism as well as I probably could have after that. I just mean that skipping meals for a 20 hour stretch every day might not always result in what you would expect if you just starve yourself, then overeat in that one dinner meal.

Link to where that is Otis's plan? I'm pretty sure you've changed your argument to the point of it being a straw man.

You can reread his posts about drinking coffee and having almonds, then loading up on a big dinner back in this thread. I'm not your secretary.

 

[Otis]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

Scale update?And TGIF? Really? No, really?

As of yesterday I was sitting at around 232 still. Hoping to break into the 220s next week. I suspect it will get tougher when I break 220. At that point I'm going to start running/working out to counteract the natural plateauting. Already my clothes fit slightly better. I feel more energy. I feel better in the mornings. I'm not craving garbage foods. It's working.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

so, you haven't lost anything in the last week?DAMN, I'm good!

 

[Ned]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

Scale update?And TGIF? Really? No, really?

As of yesterday I was sitting at around 232 still. Hoping to break into the 220s next week. I suspect it will get tougher when I break 220. At that point I'm going to start running/working out to counteract the natural plateauting. Already my clothes fit slightly better. I feel more energy. I feel better in the mornings. I'm not craving garbage foods. It's working.

Why wait?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm surprised he's not waiting 'til he hits 120

 

[Otis]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

Scale update?And TGIF? Really? No, really?

As of yesterday I was sitting at around 232 still. Hoping to break into the 220s next week. I suspect it will get tougher when I break 220. At that point I'm going to start running/working out to counteract the natural plateauting. Already my clothes fit slightly better. I feel more energy. I feel better in the mornings. I'm not craving garbage foods. It's working.

Why wait?

I'm lazy. Working out seems really annoying.

 

[DrJ]

Thank god we have proninja here to defend Otis' honor.

These diet/nutrition threads amuse me. Usually they are full of reasonable, inquisitive people. Otis is a big boy who doesn't appear to be bothered in the least by this, and if he was he shouldn't post it. I'm just here to point out the dumb.

Me too. Otis has lost nothing on your religion. Dummy.

 

[bentley]

Had a nice Otis day today.Yogurt for breakfast.Chicken breast & garden salad for lunch.Kung Pao chicken and a six pack for dinner.1600 calories. Still under my target.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

Congrats.. You understand that is normal to feel hungry before meals now?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

Scale update?And TGIF? Really? No, really?

As of yesterday I was sitting at around 232 still. Hoping to break into the 220s next week. I suspect it will get tougher when I break 220. At that point I'm going to start running/working out to counteract the natural plateauting. Already my clothes fit slightly better. I feel more energy. I feel better in the mornings. I'm not craving garbage foods. It's working.

Why wait?

I'm lazy. Working out seems really annoying.

That doesn't seem like the attitude that will get you through this. To be in shape and healthy takes effort.

 

[Otis]

Had a nice Otis day today.

Yogurt for breakfast.

Chicken breast & garden salad for lunch.

Kung Pao chicken and a six pack for dinner.

1600 calories. Still under my target.

My Man!

 

[Otis]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

Scale update?And TGIF? Really? No, really?

As of yesterday I was sitting at around 232 still. Hoping to break into the 220s next week. I suspect it will get tougher when I break 220. At that point I'm going to start running/working out to counteract the natural plateauting. Already my clothes fit slightly better. I feel more energy. I feel better in the mornings. I'm not craving garbage foods. It's working.

Why wait?

I'm lazy. Working out seems really annoying.

That doesn't seem like the attitude that will get you through this. To be in shape and healthy takes effort.

My live involves too much effort as is.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Fat man checking in. Went with the Dr. J today -- wife had a hangover and influenced me into stopping at TGI#######gThousandCaloriesForEverything, and I had chicken fingers and a couple beers. On the bright side, I only had a hundred calorie breakfast, and will be picking/having some yogurt for dinner, so that cool grand won't kill me for the day. See? That's the difference -- the old Otis would have said screw it and called this a cheat day and gone off the deep end tonight. ModernOtis makes adjustments and stays the course.

SUCK IT FREDdd1!1

Scale update?And TGIF? Really? No, really?

As of yesterday I was sitting at around 232 still. Hoping to break into the 220s next week. I suspect it will get tougher when I break 220. At that point I'm going to start running/working out to counteract the natural plateauting. Already my clothes fit slightly better. I feel more energy. I feel better in the mornings. I'm not craving garbage foods. It's working.

Why wait?

I'm lazy. Working out seems really annoying.

That doesn't seem like the attitude that will get you through this. To be in shape and healthy takes effort.

My live involves too much effort as is.

 

[OC Zed]

I'm lazy. Working out seems really annoying.

Why don't you find a form of exercise that is fun for you? It doesn't have to be running on a treadmill and doing curls.

 

[proninja]

Had a nice Otis day today.Yogurt for breakfast.Chicken breast & garden salad for lunch.Kung Pao chicken and a six pack for dinner.1600 calories. Still under my target.

Avocado, apple, and a couple slices of provolone for breakfast.Some trail mix for lunch.Big burger, fries, and a beer for dinner. I spent a few hours on flat sticks flinging myself down a mountain though, so I feel I earned the indulgence.

 

[proninja]

I'm lazy. Working out seems really annoying.

Why don't you find a form of exercise that is fun for you? It doesn't have to be running on a treadmill and doing curls.

Ski in the winter, bike in the summer

 

[Otis]

I'm lazy. Working out seems really annoying.

Why don't you find a form of exercise that is fun for you? It doesn't have to be running on a treadmill and doing curls.

I do that. I love playing my guitar, drinking booze, and watching television.Don't get me wrong -- I used to love lifting weights, and even liked running at one point. But these days? Lord does that look like a chore.

 

[DrJ]

I'm lazy. Working out seems really annoying.

Why don't you find a form of exercise that is fun for you? It doesn't have to be running on a treadmill and doing curls.

Because it's winter. What can you do fun in the winter?

 

[DrJ]

I did a Chaka today. Breakfast: NothingLunch: NothingDinner: NothingLast thing I ate was 2 bowls of chicken noodle soup last night. Of course, I'm sick as hell, otherwise this is ridiculous.

 

[proninja]

I did a Chaka today. Breakfast: NothingLunch: NothingDinner: NothingLast thing I ate was 2 bowls of chicken noodle soup last night. Of course, I'm sick as hell, otherwise this is ridiculous.

I'm going to try this on Sunday I think. Never fasted before. I'm curious.

 

[DrJ]

I did a Chaka today. Breakfast: NothingLunch: NothingDinner: NothingLast thing I ate was 2 bowls of chicken noodle soup last night. Of course, I'm sick as hell, otherwise this is ridiculous.

I'm going to try this on Sunday I think. Never fasted before. I'm curious.

It's something that Sisson endorses pretty highly. It makes sense especially for the northern living primal dudes unless they migrated to where food was still plentiful. I'd guess the cycle was to make yourself fat when you felt the cold coming on and live off of your fat reserves for the next few months. Both for energy reserves and warmth. I'd imagine it was a pretty long term fast as well, like a couple months, and not one of the daily variety. After the fast there was probably not a lot of vegetables and fruits, those take months to grow, so he probably lived on a very high meat and cholesterol diet for a decent bit after that, much like myself. Otis could probably eat virtually nothing for months and be ok. But I do think he's sending a signal to his body that its winter and time to slow down his metabolism. The lack of weight loss seems to support that. If he went with my plan of just cutting out a couple hundred calories rather than trying to cut out 2000, he'd see slow and steady weight loss and wouldn't be sending goofy signals to his body.I have no studies to support this and I'm sure you guys can find a dozen know-it-all diet nerds to disagree, but it just makes common sense. We're animals, and more closely resembled their lifestyle in the periods this diet references. When it gets cold they migrate, hibernate, etc. Deer eat bark off of the trees to just get anything in them, and a ton of them starve.

 

[DrJ]

Also Otis, you're kind of bastardizing my plan. It's entirely rare that I eat quadruple digit calories in a single meal. It's not a eat as many chicken nuggets as you like plan, moderation is an important aspect of this.

 

[Otis]

Also Otis, you're kind of bastardizing my plan. It's entirely rare that I eat quadruple digit calories in a single meal. It's not a eat as many chicken nuggets as you like plan, moderation is an important aspect of this.

Wait a minute, 12 pages ago weren't you telling me I could get by on all the Twinkies I want??

 

[DrJ]

Also Otis, you're kind of bastardizing my plan. It's entirely rare that I eat quadruple digit calories in a single meal. It's not a eat as many chicken nuggets as you like plan, moderation is an important aspect of this.

Wait a minute, 12 pages ago weren't you telling me I could get by on all the Twinkies I want??

No, I said you could eat whatever types of food you want, in moderation. A gigantic 1000 calorie order of chicken strips and a couple of beers doesn't qualify as moderation.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I did a Chaka today. Breakfast: NothingLunch: NothingDinner: NothingLast thing I ate was 2 bowls of chicken noodle soup last night. Of course, I'm sick as hell, otherwise this is ridiculous.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I did a Chaka today. Breakfast: NothingLunch: NothingDinner: NothingLast thing I ate was 2 bowls of chicken noodle soup last night. Of course, I'm sick as hell, otherwise this is ridiculous.

I'm going to try this on Sunday I think. Never fasted before. I'm curious.

it's not as great as it sounds.although, I unintentionally fasted for 2 days once, and after the second day I had energy coming out the ### -- like, I would run instead of walk.I'm a nutritard, but maybe I was in the initial phase of atkins.a buddy of mine did that, and he said he had a ton of energy initially.

 

[DrJ]

I did a Chaka today. Breakfast: NothingLunch: NothingDinner: NothingLast thing I ate was 2 bowls of chicken noodle soup last night. Of course, I'm sick as hell, otherwise this is ridiculous.

I'm going to try this on Sunday I think. Never fasted before. I'm curious.

it's not as great as it sounds.although, I unintentionally fasted for 2 days once, and after the second day I had energy coming out the ### -- like, I would run instead of walk.I'm a nutritard, but maybe I was in the initial phase of atkins.a buddy of mine did that, and he said he had a ton of energy initially.

Maybe I'll be able to run a marathon tomorrow. I slept about 20 hours over this span as well.