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Boy who identifies as girl competing in girl's track (1 Viewer)

RBM said:
Holy crap that is some crew. Brutal. 
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Sure is.  We can probably add Nikes Standish, Ilov80s and CGRdrJOE to the club as well.  Only in the FFA can you find 9 guys who would rather bash the people raising the issue.  Some serious twisted logic in here.   :lol:

 
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I'm pretty open minded and am all for whatever. Even though he my identify as female that's pretty much a boy competing against girls.

 
Higgs said:
Are you kidding?  He/she is being embraced as a hero.  It's the kids who are ticked off who should be worried.  They'll be run out of town on a rail if they voice any of their concerns.
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Stop this.  It totally belittles the small point you may have had when you started this thread. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Because it breaks down the binary system we currently have where a person feels they can only identify one way. If people were raised to feel that it's ok be male sex but female gender, they might be more comfortable playing sports by sex. 

Does that make sense? I know I'm just kind of speculating on the fly here.
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I get the identification part of this, but can't reconcile how that ties into the physical advantages a born male hs over a born female.

We can agree that she has an unfair advantage over her competition, right?

 
Mile High said:
I'm pretty open minded and am all for whatever. Even though he my identify as female that's pretty much a boy competing against girls.
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It just that simple. Yet people will engage in all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to convince everyone that it's more important that the city/state/country be fair to a tiny minority, while fairness to natural female athletes is to be ignored.

 
Ilov80s said:
The solution is decoupling gender from sex just as we have mostly decoupled sex from sexual preference. There shouldn't be any reason we can't have someone that has the sex of male and competes as a male, but is of the female gender. It would take a lot of societal deprogramming because people are locked into thinking people's behavior needs to fit certain patterns based on having a penis or not. My 8 year old nephew wants to identify as a girl. He's been that way his whole life. The issue for him isn't that he wants a ######, it's that most of the things he likes, the feelings he has, the people he best identifies with are what society have taught him are "for girls". So it causes him to see himself as a girl. If we could mentally separate the physical from the social-emotional, we could potentially reduce this problem. However, society is more critical of a guy with a penis that dresses and acts closer what we consider female than they are of someone that is transgender.

Of course, this is all my random hypothesizing, but if we actually allowed gender to be more fluid, we would have less issues with it. The truth is that gender is more a continuum. 
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What's wrong with just being a boy that likes girly stuff?

 
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Admittedly I don't dig deep on this subject, but this whole notion of gender identity irks me. If I may muster a thought, I think it is because it places feelings and emotions on a pedestal at the expense of fairness and common sense. I'm 100% on-board when it comes to acceptance of all types, outside of those who aim to harm - and I'll add -  those who exploit and seek attention for the sake of attention.

#### asking 8 billion people to parse pronouns.

 
Until today I never knew how progressive so many of you are. Suddenly so many of you care about track and field and women's sports in general.

Good on you.

 
Higgs has to be the best unintentional comedy on the board.  delivers time and time again.  on a wide range of topics.  just keeps on munching on that delicious steak...

 
Mister CIA said:
Admittedly I don't dig deep on this subject, but this whole notion of gender identity irks me. If I may muster a thought, I think it is because it places feelings and emotions on a pedestal at the expense of fairness and common sense. I'm 100% on-board when it comes to acceptance of all types, outside of those who aim to harm - and I'll add -  those who exploit and seek attention for the sake of attention.

#### asking 8 billion people to parse pronouns.
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The rare "perfect post".

 
Son of a #####. Why couldn't this have been a social movement in the late 90s. I could have been a state champion hurdler. Ain't that a #####?

 
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Ned said:
I get the identification part of this, but can't reconcile how that ties into the physical advantages a born male hs over a born female.

We can agree that she has an unfair advantage over her competition, right?
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Yes my point is they would be less inclined to feel the need to play on the girls team 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Mom should probably come up with something better than "Why not?" because she's probably going to be answering the same question for as long as the kid wants to run track as a girl. The kid may be courageous, but she has big biceps and a mustache, so she better have thick skin and be prepared to take some heat. Not knowing the full story, it strikes me as selfish behavior.
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Mom is probably just nervous.   But she might be stupid. 

 
Cold Dead Hands said:
Son of a #####. Why couldn't this have been a social movement in the late 90s. I could have been a state champion hurdler. Ain't that a #####?
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You would have also had to deal with losing most of your friends, being made fun of, stared at and potentially ruining the relationship you had with family members. Also it's unlikely you would have had any romantic relationships. But yeah, would be real cool. 

 
zoonation said:
Higgs has to be the best unintentional comedy on the board.  delivers time and time again.  on a wide range of topics.  just keeps on munching on that delicious steak...
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Says the ISIS apologist.   :lol:   I'll chalk you up as another one of the libtards who is ok with this.

 
Ilov80s said:
You would have also had to deal with losing most of your friends, being made fun of, stared at and potentially ruining the relationship you had with family members. Also it's unlikely you would have had any romantic relationships. But yeah, would be real cool. 
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Oh bull####.  This kid's a celebrity.  He'll probably get this year's Arthur Ashe award.

 
Ilov80s said:
jonessed said:
What's wrong with just being a boy that likes girly stuff?
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Nothing wrong but if that boy likes wearing sundresses, makeup, carryinh purses, etc. then most people will no longer accept them as a boy anymore. 
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I could accept them as a human, an acquaintance, a co-worker, a business partner, a colleague, a friend, a drinking buddy, and a family member. 

If that's not good enough, maybe it's not me.

 
RBM said:
Does he offend your sensibilities?
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Consider the source RBM.  This is the guy who when told about 50 Christians being massacred in Palm Sunday mass was only concerned about unfair discrimination against Muslims.  He's as dirty as they get.

 
Mister CIA said:
I could accept them as a human, an acquaintance, a co-worker, a business partner, a colleague, a friend, a drinking buddy, and a family member. 

If that's not good enough, maybe it's not me.
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Which is partly why they feel the need to be considered girls, society won't accept a male doing those things. This helps create the mess we have with the track athlete here. 

 
Higgs said:
Oh bull####.  This kid's a celebrity.  He'll probably get this year's Arthur Ashe award.
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I work with several students aren't gender confirming. All of them have intense social /family issues.This is a rare case, but i would be surprised if the student has romantic relationships and has no issues with being mocked, stared at, etc.

 
Ilov80s said:
Which is partly why they feel the need to be considered girls, society won't accept a male doing those things. This helps create the mess we have with the track athlete here. 
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It will be a bigger mess when Mark Eaton Jr. declares he is a female and makes a mockery of it all, which is kind of where this thread began.

 
Ilov80s said:
Yes my point is they would be less inclined to feel the need to play on the girls team 
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So if society didn't recognize tendencies, preferences, etc with a gender then we wouldn't have situations like the OP?

In other words/an example - if we didn't associate wearing dresses and makeup as something only females do, than she would've been less likely to want to run against the females. 

I kinda get it, but man that's a mind bender.  

 
Ned said:
So if society didn't recognize tendencies, preferences, etc with a gender then we wouldn't have situations like the OP?

In other words/an example - if we didn't associate wearing dresses and makeup as something only females do, than she would've been less likely to want to run against the females. 

I kinda get it, but man that's a mind bender.  
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Again just a hypotheses. I don't think it's right for a male who hasn't gone through any hormone therapy to compete against females. However, I can see how society for the most part isn't going to be accepting of a male (sex) that lives as a female (gender) being on the guys team either. It's just a big mess of a situation and there's no simple solutions. I wonder, what the ratio on males converting to females as opposed to females converting to males. It seems society is much more accepting of a female that functions as a male than the opposite.

eta: looked it up, males are 3x more likely to change. Is that biological or does it go back to my point that the range for what's acceptable as a male is more narrow so there's more pressure to change. 

 
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Ned said:
So if society didn't recognize tendencies, preferences, etc with a gender then we wouldn't have situations like the OP?

In other words/an example - if we didn't associate wearing dresses and makeup as something only females do, than she would've been less likely to want to run against the females. 

I kinda get it, but man that's a mind bender.  
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I have been trying to put this in words since this became a hot topic. 

 
Although this person may feel that they are a female; genotypically, phenotypically, and hormonally this individual is a male. So allowing this person to compete against females is an unfair advantage. This individual should only compete against others who are also genotypically, phenotypically, and hormonally a male.

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
Although this person may feel that they are a female; genotypically, phenotypically, and hormonally this individual is a male. So allowing this person to compete against females is an unfair advantage. This individual should only compete against others who are also genotypically, phenotypically, and hormonally a male.
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Agree. We should be focusing not on putting these athletes into the sports they identify with by gender, but of society being more accepting of how a male or female dress, act, etc.

 
Ilov80s said:
Agree. We should be focusing not on putting these athletes into the sports they identify with by gender, but of society being more accepting of how a male or female dress, act, etc.
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I honestly believe most people here don't have an issue with an individual deciding to live their lives as member of a different gender. But in sports - as in this situation - there is an unfair advantage when someone who is a male, in the description I used above, can compete against females.

 
Ilov80s said:
Agree. We should be focusing not on putting these athletes into the sports they identify with by gender, but of society being more accepting of how a male or female dress, act, etc.
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Let's back up a step. If gender and sex are not related, what useful purpose does gender serve? 

Not sure if I'm asking the right person, I'm just wondering out loud.

ETA: For the record, I self-identify as sober.

 
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It's nice how open and accepting so many people are. If this kid wants to dress like a girl and identifies himself with a girl I am glad none of you would have any problem with her using the boys locker room before and after competing in boys track and field events and your male children would all treat her as an equal competitor.

I mean I couldn't possibly imagine a thread started about that.

Amen brothers and sisters you're doing the Lord's work.

 
Chaka said:
It's nice how open and accepting so many people are. If this kid wants to dress like a girl and identifies himself with a girl I am glad none of you would have any problem with her using the boys locker room before and after competing in boys track and field events and your male children would all treat her as an equal competitor.

I mean I couldn't possibly imagine a thread started about that.

Amen brothers and sisters you're doing the Lord's work.
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I will never accept mental illness nor will I ever encourage it. I will always try to treat people that are mentally ill, and not try to use them as pawn pieces against social conservatives.

 
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rojbk said:
I will never accept mental illness nor will I ever encourage it. I will always try to treat people that are mentally ill, and not try to use them as pawn pieces against social conservatives.
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So what is Putin currently paying to poison the minds of American citizens? We talking a living wage or is it more like being an Uber driver?

 
Chaka said:
It's nice how open and accepting so many people are. If this kid wants to dress like a girl and identifies himself with a girl I am glad none of you would have any problem with her using the boys locker room before and after competing in boys track and field events and your male children would all treat her as an equal competitor.

I mean I couldn't possibly imagine a thread started about that.

Amen brothers and sisters you're doing the Lord's work.
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1) This passive aggressive type of post screams I care a lot about this, but I'll try to be nonchalant about it.

2) Squistion liked this post, always a red flag.

3) If I had a 15 year old daughter on the track team, I'd be extremely uncomfortable with her and Andraya showering together. I wouldn't want my daughter seeing her 12 inch dong swinging around. 

 
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