Brandon Marshall (1 Viewer)

[thehornet]

ya, his targets and receptions last year were flukes too. Cutler hasnt been right for two weeks and his passes are all over the place. Marshall is double and triple covered constantly. He is EASILY the MOST talented player on the broncos. OF COURSE every team does EVERYTHING they can to stop him. Royal gets scraps and so does everybody else on that team. Yes, sometimes those scraps are pretty good. This is rediculous and i cant believe i am even debating this. Some of you are such women. A player has a couple bad weeks and he is average.

I'll take your woman comment as a compliment as most women are whole lot stronger than most men.See, you are looking at it like he's had a great year other than a couple of bad weeks. In reality, he's had a below average year with a couple of good weeks. He has Chad Johnson syndrome.

he was the MOST consistent WR in the league last year with what was essentially a rookie QB. Fine, youre a strong woman.

My gender would prove your comment otherwise. Good call hating on 51% of the world.This year isn't last year.

to you and the Marshall haters.

 

[EdwardCat]

to you and the Marshall haters.

Hating him and facing reality are two different things. You seem to want to pretend he's doing really well and there's nothing to be concerned about. You win games by starting the players who are performing. Marshall is talented. He is not performing. It isn't that he can't perform. He simply isn't. He's been a below average WR the last 5 weeks.

 

[el-gato-grande]

Guys - this is really simple. Anybody who watched Denver during those first few games knows the answer. It was only a matter of time before opposing Defensive Coordinators effectively schemed the Broncos because:

1) They don't have a running game that is good enough to keep opposing defenses honest

2) Cutler does radar lock on his intended receiver and is too inexperienced to read coverage and work through his progressions

3) Royal is a great possession type receiver but he doesn't possess the speed to be a deep threat. That means you can deploy three deep zones or bring a safety over the top to defend Marshall and give up the short stuff to Royal if you don't get to Cutler with your blitz packages

Marshall can be a top WR but not this year because they haven't assembled enough pieces around him yet. Once Cutler matures and they get more balanced then I agree that Marshall will be a beast.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

update?

Can you say over-hyped?

Coming into this week Marshall was 9th in average weekly points in non-PPR leagues and 3rd in PPR leagues. Would you like to retract your post now or continue looking like a n00b?

Trends show Marshall's first two games were flukes rather than an example of an extraordinary player. As I stated the last two weeks, Royal is the #1 on that team.

Still a lot of football to be played and we'll see if you are right in the end. I'm thinking this is not going to be "one shining moment" for you but stranger things have happened (like the kid born with two faces).

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

to you and the Marshall haters.

Hating him and facing reality are two different things. You seem to want to pretend he's doing really well and there's nothing to be concerned about. You win games by starting the players who are performing. Marshall is talented. He is not performing. It isn't that he can't perform. He simply isn't. He's been a below average WR the last 5 weeks.

Royal isn't the No. 1 WR on the team......look at the stat line, he didn't finish No. 1 yesterday. Using your own words, you win games by starting the player who are performing. Royal is performing but he was not No. 1.

 

[Mapmaker]

Cutler and the whole Denver offence looked totally out of sync ... I think once Scheffler comes back Marshall's numbers will return to what we're used to seeing ... besides Miami played a great game and totally shut Marshall down ... sometimes .. shi* just happens!

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Cutler and the whole Denver offence looked totally out of sync ... I think once Scheffler comes back Marshall's numbers will return to what we're used to seeing ... besides Miami played a great game and totally shut Marshall down ... sometimes .. shi* just happens!

It's isn't that they're missing a TE Mapmaker........they're not running the football. Denver's offense goes when the running game works....it's not working and the entire offense is struggling. Ya, Cutler got some garbage yards and his final numbers work for fantasy owners but he looked terrible early on when it counted having 2 picks and 5 yards passing was his early stat line.No running game for Denver= Big Problem

 

[jamny]

After Sunday's win, Joey Porter called Brandon Marshall "one of those soft receivers...who's going to mope and cry" when he doesn't get the ball.Miami held Marshall two 27 yards on two grabs. "If he don't get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he's out of it," Porter said. "He had 18 catches in a game before. So he's not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done."Source: Associated Press

 

[towney]

Didn't I also read Marshall was double covered the whole game. Double cover Jennings, TO, Burress, AJ, etc and see if they come up big.

Royal did not pass Marshall on the depth chart too....

 

[Anthony Borbely]

There isn't a stud WR around who doesn't occasionally have a bad game.

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

There isn't a stud WR around who doesn't occasionally have a bad game.

It's the NFL, every stud has a stinker or 2, haters are Jealous.

 

[puckalicious]

There isn't a stud WR around who doesn't occasionally have a bad game.

It's the NFL, every stud has a stinker or 2, haters are Jealous.

I'm an owner in 2 leagues, and i'm getting worried about the "stud" label here. I agree with el-gato-grande about teams figuring out Denver - without a better run game Marshall will continue to be double covered and put up "stinkers".It's been 4 games now without a TD or a 100 yd game. The targets are there, but he just is not able to do much with it. And the emergence of Royal is a problem - he has more targets, receptions, TD's, and points than BM over the last 4 games.

 

[EdwardCat]

to you and the Marshall haters.

Hating him and facing reality are two different things. You seem to want to pretend he's doing really well and there's nothing to be concerned about. You win games by starting the players who are performing. Marshall is talented. He is not performing. It isn't that he can't perform. He simply isn't. He's been a below average WR the last 5 weeks.

Royal isn't the No. 1 WR on the team......look at the stat line, he didn't finish No. 1 yesterday. Using your own words, you win games by starting the player who are performing. Royal is performing but he was not No. 1.

Unless Hillis was promoted from fullback to WR, Royal was the #1 WR.

 

[moderated]

Didn't I also read Marshall was double covered the whole game. Double cover Jennings, TO, Burress, AJ, etc and see if they come up big.Royal did not pass Marshall on the depth chart too....

many of those guys are double covered as much or more then Marshall. Not a good example to choose to make your point.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Guys - this is really simple. Anybody who watched Denver during those first few games knows the answer. It was only a matter of time before opposing Defensive Coordinators effectively schemed the Broncos because:1) They don't have a running game that is good enough to keep opposing defenses honest2) Cutler does radar lock on his intended receiver and is too inexperienced to read coverage and work through his progressions3) Royal is a great possession type receiver but he doesn't possess the speed to be a deep threat. That means you can deploy three deep zones or bring a safety over the top to defend Marshall and give up the short stuff to Royal if you don't get to Cutler with your blitz packagesMarshall can be a top WR but not this year because they haven't assembled enough pieces around him yet. Once Cutler matures and they get more balanced then I agree that Marshall will be a beast.

Not sure how you can say Royal doesnt have the speed to be a deep threat. Just because they ask him to run underneath patterns doesnt mean he cant get open deep. He's shown his speed on returning kicks and the guy ran a 4.39 at the combine and has reportedly been timed in the 4.2s. Speed was his biggest asset at draft time.

 

[BobbyLayne]

His 2008 stats on a per game average are nearly identical to 2007.

BTW, as a Royal owner, I can assure you Brandon is and will always be the top dog.

Eddie is an extremly precise route runner, but gimme a break, he's never going to be the game breaking monster Marshall can be.

 

[MCguidance]

Marshall will not have great games every game - he will go through stretches without being a top 5 WR - as does EVERY WR (see AJ, Moss, TO, Braylon, etc). Let's be serious, the guys is a freak, and they want to get him the ball, but they are having a hard time stopping anyone and getting into an offensive rhythm.

 

[thatguy]

There isn't a stud WR around who doesn't occasionally have a bad game.

It's the NFL, every stud has a stinker or 2, haters are Jealous.

I'm an owner in 2 leagues, and i'm getting worried about the "stud" label here. I agree with el-gato-grande about teams figuring out Denver - without a better run game Marshall will continue to be double covered and put up "stinkers".It's been 4 games now without a TD or a 100 yd game. The targets are there, but he just is not able to do much with it. And the emergence of Royal is a problem - he has more targets, receptions, TD's, and points than BM over the last 4 games.

I wouldn't worry too much. Cutler is in a funk right now and has been just a little off. But he is still a very talented QB and will make the necessary fixes. And Shanahan is too good a coach not to right the ship with the running game - Selvin Young's return will help immensely as he is a vastly underrated RB and I think he was a very key part of the Denver's early offensive success.Also, Marshall is a legitimate deep threat and Denver is trying to use him in that role, but they seem to be just missing - although, they didn't miss on the 80 yard TD that called back due to a very questionable PI call. Cutler also went deep to Marshall in the end zone twice late in the game. On the first play, Marshall was double covered and the DB was all over him - result was a PI call and Denver got the ball on the one. On the second play, it would have been a tough catch for Brandon, but he should have caught it - it went right through his fingertips. The defender made a good play, but Brandon makes that play most of the time. Cutler is learning that he has to pick his spots as to when to throw to Brandon and when to check down, but he seems to be getting a better feel for it. Right now they're off by the slightest bit, but when they make those little corrections, watch out.

 

[uwftbl]

Wow. I just picked up Marshall but I know I paid way too much for him. T.O. and MJD.

 

[thatguy]

Agree once they get the running game fixed things should right themselves. Is Young the answer though, is he going to reclaim the #1 spot?

Well, I think he should. He's been their best RB this season. Pittman is solid on third downs and will probably retain that role. I guess we'll also have to see what Torrain is capable of. But my money is on Selvin going back to getting 15 or so touches per game with the rest spread out amongst the pack.

 

[Lobary]

There isn't a stud WR around who doesn't occasionally have a bad game.

It's the NFL, every stud has a stinker or 2, haters are Jealous.

I'm an owner in 2 leagues, and i'm getting worried about the "stud" label here. I agree with el-gato-grande about teams figuring out Denver - without a better run game Marshall will continue to be double covered and put up "stinkers".It's been 4 games now without a TD or a 100 yd game. The targets are there, but he just is not able to do much with it. And the emergence of Royal is a problem - he has more targets, receptions, TD's, and points than BM over the last 4 games.

I wouldn't worry too much. Cutler is in a funk right now and has been just a little off. But he is still a very talented QB and will make the necessary fixes. And Shanahan is too good a coach not to right the ship with the running game - Selvin Young's return will help immensely as he is a vastly underrated RB and I think he was a very key part of the Denver's early offensive success.Also, Marshall is a legitimate deep threat and Denver is trying to use him in that role, but they seem to be just missing - although, they didn't miss on the 80 yard TD that called back due to a very questionable PI call. Cutler also went deep to Marshall in the end zone twice late in the game. On the first play, Marshall was double covered and the DB was all over him - result was a PI call and Denver got the ball on the one. On the second play, it would have been a tough catch for Brandon, but he should have caught it - it went right through his fingertips. The defender made a good play, but Brandon makes that play most of the time. Cutler is learning that he has to pick his spots as to when to throw to Brandon and when to check down, but he seems to be getting a better feel for it. Right now they're off by the slightest bit, but when they make those little corrections, watch out.

As a concerned Marshall owner who was unable to actually watch the game, this detailed information is valuable to me. Thanks.

 

[Ghost Rider]

After Sunday's win, Joey Porter called Brandon Marshall "one of those soft receivers...who's going to mope and cry" when he doesn't get the ball.Miami held Marshall two 27 yards on two grabs. "If he don't get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he's out of it," Porter said. "He had 18 catches in a game before. So he's not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done."Source: Associated Press

There has to be real concern about the current state of the Denver offense, but someone should remind Porter that his defense gave up a 77-yard TD to Marshall that was called back by one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen. So, as much as he thinks they got in his head, if that play isn't called back (and even Denver haters in the game thread were saying it was a terrible call), Marshall still would have had a good game against them.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

After Sunday's win, Joey Porter called Brandon Marshall "one of those soft receivers...who's going to mope and cry" when he doesn't get the ball.

Miami held Marshall two 27 yards on two grabs. "If he don't get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he's out of it," Porter said. "He had 18 catches in a game before. So he's not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done."

Source: Associated Press

There has to be real concern about the current state of the Denver offense, but someone should remind Porter that his defense gave up a 77-yard TD to Marshall that was called back by one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen. So, as much as he thinks they got in his head, if that play isn't called back (and even Denver haters in the game thread were saying it was a terrible call), Marshall still would have had a good game against them.

That was clearly PI and the sole reason he had separation.

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

There isn't a stud WR around who doesn't occasionally have a bad game.

It's the NFL, every stud has a stinker or 2, haters are Jealous.

I'm an owner in 2 leagues, and i'm getting worried about the "stud" label here. I agree with el-gato-grande about teams figuring out Denver - without a better run game Marshall will continue to be double covered and put up "stinkers".It's been 4 games now without a TD or a 100 yd game. The targets are there, but he just is not able to do much with it. And the emergence of Royal is a problem - he has more targets, receptions, TD's, and points than BM over the last 4 games.

I wouldn't worry too much. Cutler is in a funk right now and has been just a little off. But he is still a very talented QB and will make the necessary fixes. And Shanahan is too good a coach not to right the ship with the running game - Selvin Young's return will help immensely as he is a vastly underrated RB and I think he was a very key part of the Denver's early offensive success.Also, Marshall is a legitimate deep threat and Denver is trying to use him in that role, but they seem to be just missing - although, they didn't miss on the 80 yard TD that called back due to a very questionable PI call. Cutler also went deep to Marshall in the end zone twice late in the game. On the first play, Marshall was double covered and the DB was all over him - result was a PI call and Denver got the ball on the one. On the second play, it would have been a tough catch for Brandon, but he should have caught it - it went right through his fingertips. The defender made a good play, but Brandon makes that play most of the time. Cutler is learning that he has to pick his spots as to when to throw to Brandon and when to check down, but he seems to be getting a better feel for it. Right now they're off by the slightest bit, but when they make those little corrections, watch out.

As a concerned Marshall owner who was unable to actually watch the game, this detailed information is valuable to me. Thanks.

If it was Ed Hochuli's crew he would have had 1 additional catch for 77 yards & a TD.

 

[Kuz]

After Sunday's win, Joey Porter called Brandon Marshall "one of those soft receivers...who's going to mope and cry" when he doesn't get the ball.

Miami held Marshall two 27 yards on two grabs. "If he don't get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he's out of it," Porter said. "He had 18 catches in a game before. So he's not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done."

Source: Associated Press

There has to be real concern about the current state of the Denver offense, but someone should remind Porter that his defense gave up a 77-yard TD to Marshall that was called back by one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen. So, as much as he thinks they got in his head, if that play isn't called back (and even Denver haters in the game thread were saying it was a terrible call), Marshall still would have had a good game against them.

That was clearly PI and the sole reason he had separation.

No kidding. Although it looked like he didn't push off much.. the only reason he got the separation on the catch was because of the shove.. With that said it was just one of those games WR's have. Marshall will be okay..

 

[Liquid Tension]

The Dolphins sold out to stop Marshall and, well, it worked. But he still showed that he possesses the talent to get open, create separation, and make plays despite being the sole focus of the opposing defense's secondary.

Wha? I watched the whole game, and didn't get the same impression at all. He spent the majority of the day in single coverage, Cutler just didn't look his way much and when he did, he was pretty well covered.On TV, they showed Marshall A LOT of times when he wasn't thrown to because they were talking about how frustrated he was, and pretty much every time they did he was in single coverage and had zero separation from Goodman.

I agree, he didn't get much more coverage than Royal. Honestly the one play that stood out to me was one over the middle where Cutler made a good pass and Marshall alligator armed the pass and didn't want any part of the hit that was coming; that surprised me.That being said, the trend (averaging 5.1 points) with Marshall over the past 4 week has not been good for such a "great" receiver.

 

[Liquid Tension]

After Sunday's win, Joey Porter called Brandon Marshall "one of those soft receivers...who's going to mope and cry" when he doesn't get the ball.

Miami held Marshall two 27 yards on two grabs. "If he don't get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he's out of it," Porter said. "He had 18 catches in a game before. So he's not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done."

Source: Associated Press

There has to be real concern about the current state of the Denver offense, but someone should remind Porter that his defense gave up a 77-yard TD to Marshall that was called back by one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen. So, as much as he thinks they got in his head, if that play isn't called back (and even Denver haters in the game thread were saying it was a terrible call), Marshall still would have had a good game against them.

That was clearly PI and the sole reason he had separation.

No kidding. Although it looked like he didn't push off much.. the only reason he got the separation on the catch was because of the shove.. With that said it was just one of those games WR's have. Marshall will be okay..

Yeah, I am a Marshall owner and I thought he pushed off as well. He basically stopped and when the Dolphin guy got close he gently shoved him and clearly kncoked the Dolphin off balance. It was kind of a veteran move and I would agree is not always called, but that is what you want the refs to call.ETA: it was not even close to the worst PI call you have ever seen...unless that was the only football game you have ever watched. In that case, it was the worst PI that they called during that game...

 

[thatguy]

The Dolphins sold out to stop Marshall and, well, it worked. But he still showed that he possesses the talent to get open, create separation, and make plays despite being the sole focus of the opposing defense's secondary.

Wha? I watched the whole game, and didn't get the same impression at all. He spent the majority of the day in single coverage, Cutler just didn't look his way much and when he did, he was pretty well covered.On TV, they showed Marshall A LOT of times when he wasn't thrown to because they were talking about how frustrated he was, and pretty much every time they did he was in single coverage and had zero separation from Goodman.

I agree, he didn't get much more coverage than Royal. Honestly the one play that stood out to me was one over the middle where Cutler made a good pass and Marshall alligator armed the pass and didn't want any part of the hit that was coming; that surprised me.That being said, the trend (averaging 5.1 points) with Marshall over the past 4 week has not been good for such a "great" receiver.

That play definitely bothered me. Marshall should absolutely have caught that ball but he saw the defender coming and seemed to give up on it entirely, choosing instead to knock the defender on his a**... Which was impressive considering the defender had a lot of momentum. Marshall's a strong dude.

 

[thatguy]

After Sunday's win, Joey Porter called Brandon Marshall "one of those soft receivers...who's going to mope and cry" when he doesn't get the ball.

Miami held Marshall two 27 yards on two grabs. "If he don't get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he's out of it," Porter said. "He had 18 catches in a game before. So he's not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done."

Source: Associated Press

There has to be real concern about the current state of the Denver offense, but someone should remind Porter that his defense gave up a 77-yard TD to Marshall that was called back by one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen. So, as much as he thinks they got in his head, if that play isn't called back (and even Denver haters in the game thread were saying it was a terrible call), Marshall still would have had a good game against them.

That was clearly PI and the sole reason he had separation.

No kidding. Although it looked like he didn't push off much.. the only reason he got the separation on the catch was because of the shove.. With that said it was just one of those games WR's have. Marshall will be okay..

Yeah, I am a Marshall owner and I thought he pushed off as well. He basically stopped and when the Dolphin guy got close he gently shoved him and clearly kncoked the Dolphin off balance. It was kind of a veteran move and I would agree is not always called, but that is what you want the refs to call.ETA: it was not even close to the worst PI call you have ever seen...unless that was the only football game you have ever watched. In that case, it was the worst PI that they called during that game...

I think that is the main point... Yes, Marshall stuck his arm out but he didn't really shove the defender, he just used it to create a bit of space. This happens far more often than it is called, and the refs for whatever reason seem to pick and choose when to call it. It seems unfair to call it at such a big moment of the game, at least from Denver's perspective. On the flip side, I'm sure a non-call there would have seemed unfair to Miami. In the end, one side will not end up happy with a call like that.I will add that even the commentators said it was an iffy call. Not that that is worth much...

 

[puckalicious]

After Sunday's win, Joey Porter called Brandon Marshall "one of those soft receivers...who's going to mope and cry" when he doesn't get the ball.

Miami held Marshall two 27 yards on two grabs. "If he don't get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he's out of it," Porter said. "He had 18 catches in a game before. So he's not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done."

Source: Associated Press

There has to be real concern about the current state of the Denver offense, but someone should remind Porter that his defense gave up a 77-yard TD to Marshall that was called back by one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen. So, as much as he thinks they got in his head, if that play isn't called back (and even Denver haters in the game thread were saying it was a terrible call), Marshall still would have had a good game against them.

That was clearly PI and the sole reason he had separation.

No kidding. Although it looked like he didn't push off much.. the only reason he got the separation on the catch was because of the shove.. With that said it was just one of those games WR's have. Marshall will be okay..

I thought it was a pretty bad call. The defender realized he was beat and then waved his arms and flopped when he realized he was beat. Reminds me of soccer.If you thought that was offensive PI, then every time the defender touched Marshall prior to that (on the same play) also qualifies as PI.

While not the worst call in history, Marshall got robbed of a good play.

 

[Liquid Tension]

After Sunday's win, Joey Porter called Brandon Marshall "one of those soft receivers...who's going to mope and cry" when he doesn't get the ball.

Miami held Marshall two 27 yards on two grabs. "If he don't get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he's out of it," Porter said. "He had 18 catches in a game before. So he's not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done."

Source: Associated Press

There has to be real concern about the current state of the Denver offense, but someone should remind Porter that his defense gave up a 77-yard TD to Marshall that was called back by one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen. So, as much as he thinks they got in his head, if that play isn't called back (and even Denver haters in the game thread were saying it was a terrible call), Marshall still would have had a good game against them.

That was clearly PI and the sole reason he had separation.

No kidding. Although it looked like he didn't push off much.. the only reason he got the separation on the catch was because of the shove.. With that said it was just one of those games WR's have. Marshall will be okay..

Yeah, I am a Marshall owner and I thought he pushed off as well. He basically stopped and when the Dolphin guy got close he gently shoved him and clearly kncoked the Dolphin off balance. It was kind of a veteran move and I would agree is not always called, but that is what you want the refs to call.ETA: it was not even close to the worst PI call you have ever seen...unless that was the only football game you have ever watched. In that case, it was the worst PI that they called during that game...

I think that is the main point... Yes, Marshall stuck his arm out but he didn't really shove the defender, he just used it to create a bit of space. This happens far more often than it is called, and the refs for whatever reason seem to pick and choose when to call it. It seems unfair to call it at such a big moment of the game, at least from Denver's perspective. On the flip side, I'm sure a non-call there would have seemed unfair to Miami. In the end, one side will not end up happy with a call like that.I will add that even the commentators said it was an iffy call. Not that that is worth much...

your response was very fair and I appreciate when people try to be objective

 

[BusterTBronco]

In a word, no.

 

[EdwardCat]

Not unless Cutler remembers how to throw the ball.

 

[FavreCo]

Not unless Cutler remembers how to throw the ball.

...and quits locking onto his 1st read. In this weeks most ridiculous Medusa-style read, he stared down Marshall and turned him into stone. Then he finally threw it. The DL stood there waiting for the ball to come out. As soon as it did, he disengaged from the OL and jumped up with both hands easily knocking down the pass. PATHETIC display of QB play.Without the cannon arm, this guy is barely a backup NFL QB.

 

[cubbie5150]

I own both Cutler & Marshall; they have been disappointing, for the most part, the past 6 weeks... I know I got them relatively cheap, just sayin'....

 

[blackjack23]

So much potential. Hes a good WR2.

 

[thehornet]

So much potential. Hes a good WR2.

C'mon guy, relax. He is still the 8th highest scoring Wide receiver in my PPR league. I think we all expected more but let's not get silly calling him a WR2. He's is 5th in the league in Receiving yards and 5th in the league in catches. The TD's are a major disappointment.

 

[thatguy]

So much potential. Hes a good WR2.

C'mon guy, relax. He is still the 8th highest scoring Wide receiver in my PPR league. I think we all expected more but let's not get silly calling him a WR2. He's is 5th in the league in Receiving yards and 5th in the league in catches. The TD's are a major disappointment.

I agree with this completely. I really thought they'd start coming more frequently, but he has just one TD in his last seven games.I don't get it. He's such an imposing target in the red zone, and he's shown the ability to go up and get the ball over defenders. I also thought he'd be good for a handful of long TD's this season and we haven't seen that either, although Cutler is trying to get the ball to him deep - they just aren't hooking up.

He and Cutler both seem pretty frustrated, and I thought they'd turn the corner eventually, but they seem to be taking steps backward instead. I guess we'll see what happens, but I'm not nearly as hopeful right now as I was just a few weeks ago. I think he'll continue to put up solid WR2 type numbers, but I'm not sure if he'll be the top 5 receiver we all thought he was - at least not this season.

 

[BassNBrew]

Don't bother debating SSOG. Spin like a politician, backtrack like a crab, rinse, repeat.

Funny, all the SSOG haters seem to have disappeared.

 

[blackjack23]

So much potential. Hes a good WR2.

C'mon guy, relax. He is still the 8th highest scoring Wide receiver in my PPR league. I think we all expected more but let's not get silly calling him a WR2. He's is 5th in the league in Receiving yards and 5th in the league in catches. The TD's are a major disappointment.

Not everyone plays in PPR

 

[thatguy]

Don't bother debating SSOG. Spin like a politician, backtrack like a crab, rinse, repeat.

Funny, all the SSOG haters seem to have disappeared.

I think that's because SSOG seems to have disappeared. I haven't seen him on these boards in a while... Too bad, I always enjoyed his posts. He did the research no one else would bother to do.

 

[BassNBrew]

Don't bother debating SSOG. Spin like a politician, backtrack like a crab, rinse, repeat.

Funny, all the SSOG haters seem to have disappeared.

I think that's because SSOG seems to have disappeared. I haven't seen him on these boards in a while... Too bad, I always enjoyed his posts. He did the research no one else would bother to do.

Yup. Even if you didn't agree with his conclusion or assessment, he brought a wealth of information to ponder.

 

[EdwardCat]

Don't bother debating SSOG. Spin like a politician, backtrack like a crab, rinse, repeat.

Funny, all the SSOG haters seem to have disappeared.

Considering Marshall's recent play really isn't an indication of Marshall's ability or the result of his ability, it would be hard to fault him. He was target an insane amount this week but nearly all the passes not caught were Cutler's fault.

 

[BassNBrew]

Don't bother debating SSOG. Spin like a politician, backtrack like a crab, rinse, repeat.

Funny, all the SSOG haters seem to have disappeared.

Considering Marshall's recent play really isn't an indication of Marshall's ability or the result of his ability, it would be hard to fault him. He was target an insane amount this week but nearly all the passes not caught were Cutler's fault.

Unfortunately for him, your QB is part of being the #1 WR in FF.

 

[EdwardCat]

This guy won't even make top 10 this year. I've never seen a collapse like Marshall's in my years of fantasy football. Since week 4, Royal has outscored him in my league 102 to 95. If anyone wants to delude themselves into believing Marshall is the number 1, go ahead. Royal is the clear number 1 on this team. Marshall isn't even a #1 fantasy option. He drops numerous passes. Label this guy BUST.

 

[Woogie Lee]

1 TD in 8 weeks doesn't even cut it for a WR2.

Pathetic.

 

[EdwardCat]

Last 8 weeks: 41/544/1. That calculates to 5.1/68/0.1 per game. That's a WR3 in my league.

 

[FavreCo]

I told this ##### to sit on my bench and think about it.

 

[Woogie Lee]

My first post here at FBG. Wanted to chime in and share some of my thoughts in this thread.

Let’s stack 2 receivers next to each other. Player A vs. Player B. Player A will be Brandon Marshall. Player B will be Terrell Owens since Marshall is most compared to him. Why do people choose to compare Marshall to TO, who in my opinion is the best receiver in football? Because I think you have to compare apples to apples. TO and Marshall are similar in size and stature. You can’t compare TO to a Moss, Wayne, Ocho or Holt because their body type and skill set are different.

I have watched both of these receivers since they have stepped foot into the NFL. I have watched every snap of the last 2 Denver Broncos games, and I'll try my best to shed some light on what I have seen so far in Marshall this season and contrast/compare him to TO.....

HANDS: The hands are what most separates Marshall from TO in my opinion. If you have ever seen TO catch, he does not always use his hands, his hands are lazy, sometimes even clumsy. Marshall, has very vise-like hands, and catches EVERYTHING with his hands/fingers. This is the sign of good hand-eye coordination. If accuracy is the most important thing you look for in a QB, then hand-eye coordination is the most important thing for a WR. Unlike TO, you rarely see Marshall catch with his body or chest/stomach. If you get a chance to watch Denver play, watch Marshall's hands.

BALL TRACKING: The difference between a good receiver and a great receiver is the ability to GO TO the ball. TO is pretty good at this, but Marshall is the second best in the league right now behind Randy Moss at tracking the ball in the air. If you pull up the game tape from Sunday's game vs. New Orleans, watch the way BM goes/jumps/runs towards the rock with AUTHORITY. He does not wait for the ball to fall in his lap, rather he goes to the ball either at its highest point or before the defender can get to it. This takes extreme concentration, to know what defenders are doing and going and at the same time getting to the ball and executing. Plain and simple, BM is a hungry dude. He wants the ball more than the DBs.

ROUTE RUNNING: Why is route running so important? Because the ability to sell your route and consistently get open is what distinguishes Pro Bowl caliber players from your average starter. If you can't get open, your opportunities are diminished.

There are two areas of emphasis when it comes to route running. The upper body (head, shoulders) and the lower body (hips and feet). From all of my years watching TO, he is very upper-body oriented, meaning he sells the route more by using his head, arms and shoulders, while his feet kind of just lag behind. But with that said, TO destroys DBs on the double move seam/post route because he is so good at using his upper body.

In general, tall and David Boston yoked-like receivers usually run sloppy routes and have lazy feet. But at 6’3 220+, TO, Marshall, Colston and Andre Johnson are the lone exceptions, they run routes like they are 5’10 because they have very good feet. Braylon Edwards runs sloppy routes. Larry Fitzgerald is pretty good but I think if there is one area he can improve on, it is his route running. You ever wonder why scouts always mention guys like Wayne, Harrison, Holt or a Bruce as being the best route runners? Because they get their feet down quicker. Their legs are shorter and closer to the ground, long strides are not conducive to precise route running. The more time your feet are off the ground, the less precision. TO has very long strides but he makes up for this because he is just so damn explosive.

Now watch Marshall. At the early 5 to 10 yard stage of his route, his feet are very light off the ground. As he hits his break, when he digs, his feet are very much into the ground, he sells the route as good as anybody by using his head, hips and shoulders. Fleet footed 6’3 receivers don’t come around very often. I’ve only seen Andre Johnson do this as good as Marshall.

EXPLOSIVENESS: What TO has on Marshall is explosiveness. The first step, the initial burst. He explodes and gets into high gear faster than anyone in the league outside of Randy Moss. This game is all about spurts, accelerating and decelerating. TO is great at this and it is why he gets so much separation on defenders. There is speed and deep speed. Moss is The GOAT at this. TO is right behind Moss as far as that 4th and 5th gear.

STRENGTH: TO is the most physical receiver in the game. You can't arm tackle him. His legs are too strong for DBs to go low, if you go high on him he will use the stiff arm better than anyone in the league. But Marshall has shown he has a little TO in him. He runs angry and is very hard to bring down for a cornerback. Marshall is right up there with TO in terms of physicality.

RUNNING: What TO does better than anyone else in the league is his ability to run after the catch. He is the only guy in the game who can take a 5 yard hitch route and take it to the house every time. But I have seen BM consistently throughout a game, where he is one step from taking it all the way. He has that same killer instinct that TO has, he just has to finish. It is an instinct that I am sure he will improve as he gains more experience because he consistently gets to the second level. But TO is still the KING at this and I wonder if we will ever see a WR as great as he is at doing this.

AGILITY: TO has tight hips, seems to be very stiff at times. Marshall has very loose hips, they look like they are on a swivel. This is what you like to look for in DBs, the ability to turn your body while keeping your head still and not losing sight of where you and the ball are. Marshall is also more agile, he’s no robot out there. His body control, especially in the air puts TO to shame. Watch the highlights from any of his 18 catches in Week 2 against Antonio Cromartie and SD for reference and you’ll know what I'm talkin about. Some of the catches that Marshall made, you will never see TO catch those kind of passes.

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Even mentioning the few things that I feel TO has on BM at this point, he really isn't that far behind TO at all. Remember Marshall is only in his 3rd season while TO is a 13-year vet. To see that BM is spoken in the same breath as TO is a compliment in itself. Plus, the things you look for in a WR, at least to me, I feel Marshall does better right now and that is 1) hands 2) going to the ball 3) route running. Explosiveness and speed are great intangibles to have but I respect the fundamentals more, being able to execute is extremely important. And then follow that up with blocking, and TO has him there as he is a tenacious blocker.

I will not argue who is more explosive or who is the better game breaker or who has the better nose for the endzone. TO has him in all those areas because he has been doing it for so long, that is why he is so regarded by many. But I think there are some intangibles that Marshall possesses that TO lacks and those things are key components of HOF material. Marshall is a special FOOTBALL PLAYER. He's not some glorified athlete who runs a 4.3 40, has a 50 inch vert., and bench presses 500 lbs. but does not own a lick of football instinct. Marshall gobbles up the football, with his hands. He catches everything and he does that better than TO, right now. That is all I care about for a receiver, can he catch it if I throw it to him? Can he go get it near the sideline? Will he go get it in a crowd? In the middle thru traffic?

With all that being said, I am not going to crown Marshall as the best receiver in the game. Yet. But he is the closest thing we have in this league to Terrell Owens. Marshall is a BEAST. He is one of the Top 3 wide receivers in the game, right now.

 

[cowboy homer]

Its funny a bunch of guys were saying that TO was done and then Moss was done but they have a few good games and they are studs again. Come on, Marshall is a major talent that will have be very good the rest of the year.