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Good question. President Logan on 24 is the best I can come up with.Has any show ever so successfully turned a sympathetic sap like Walt in to a despicable villain. ?
Good question. President Logan on 24 is the best I can come up with.Has any show ever so successfully turned a sympathetic sap like Walt in to a despicable villain. ?
Don't think they ever turned that into a show.Crime and Punishment.Ben LinusIt's an interesting question though. Chris Moltisanti came to mind right away. He fits the sap-turned-villain label, though I'm not sure if sympathetic ever applied. And he was always basically a crook, so yeah... never mind.I'll keep working on it.I think the show's main thesis is that we all have a villain in us if given the right circumstances. Those circumstances may be everyday modern life.Has any show ever so successfully turned a sympathetic sap like Walt in to a despicable villain. ?
Agree. Just thinking about characters.Don't think they ever turned that into a show.Crime and Punishment.Ben LinusIt's an interesting question though. Chris Moltisanti came to mind right away. He fits the sap-turned-villain label, though I'm not sure if sympathetic ever applied. And he was always basically a crook, so yeah... never mind.I'll keep working on it.I think the show's main thesis is that we all have a villain in us if given the right circumstances. Those circumstances may be everyday modern life.Has any show ever so successfully turned a sympathetic sap like Walt in to a despicable villain. ?
Good one. Early oz was a good show.
That's the whole point of the show. Walt has had opportunity after opportunity to get out of this but his ego won't let him. This was his last chance to take $5 million and try to put his family back together. It would be difficult, but without being involved in the game he should at least be able to get his kids back. His ego is leading him down the Scarface path of self-destruction. This episode was the point of no return.That's pretty good but also really sad on Walt's part. I guess he doesn't have much to live for but Skyler wanting to end their marriage should be a blessing, somehow its not. You have it exactly right, I guess just most of us would likely opt for the $5m and getting out pretty much free and clear.[Like I said before, at the beginning of the season I didn't "get" why Walt wouldn't take a clean break when the opportunity presented itself. Especially after he seemed able to accept that he might have to by calling the vacuum cleaner repair man. But after the discussion with Jesse, Walt's actions make sense. The guy has been obsessing ("I check the value of the company every week") for a decade, or more, about his $700 million share of Grey Matter (2.1b split 3 ways). He feels totally screwed about the road not taken and he's going to go full Ahab until he's "square" with what life owes him, which, of course, will never feel like enough.
This started becoming evident at the dinner table scene with Hank a few seasons back when he reignited the theory about who the true Heisenberg is and how Hank was barking up the wrong tree with his initial theory.Walt's thirst to "win" is far stronger than the allure of money.It's normal sociopath behavior. Walt doesn't just want to commit the crime, he wants to be acknowledged. Be has foreseen everything important (work and famoly) to build his empire. He isn't doing it in a vacuum. Like many sociopaths he wants to be caught so everyone can see what he did. "#### the fame give me the money, I'm a simple man" does not apply to Walt.
I'm not sure Walt has ever been that sympathetic. I don't see this as a show that argues that his circumstances made him. I would say it argues that it is there all along waiting to come out.Has any show ever so successfully turned a sympathetic sap like Walt in to a despicable villain. ?
I have a problem with the whole tying Walt to the radiator.If I am tying someone up for a little while then I would tie their legs together and then one hand to the radiator while the other is tied to the bound legs. Either way I would not give him anymore mobility than absolutely needed.Great episode. Here we all were discussing how Todd's going to alter the power dynamic, and he's quickly put to the sidelines and things fall apart in a completely different way than anyone anticipated.It's fairly unforseeable that Walt's going to wriggle out of being locked to the radiator. Even if Mike can figure he can get to the power cord, he probably doesn't even know a makeshift MacGyver blowtorch could be fashioned in such a way. You can't know what you don't know, you know?
No doubt Walt is throwing his common sense out the window and now wants to be recognized. Smart one day, dumb the next. He could have been Fring.This started becoming evident at the dinner table scene with Hank a few seasons back when he reignited the theory about who the true Heisenberg is and how Hank was barking up the wrong tree with his initial theory.Walt's thirst to "win" is far stronger than the allure of money.It's normal sociopath behavior. Walt doesn't just want to commit the crime, he wants to be acknowledged. Be has foreseen everything important (work and famoly) to build his empire. He isn't doing it in a vacuum. Like many sociopaths he wants to be caught so everyone can see what he did. "#### the fame give me the money, I'm a simple man" does not apply to Walt.
I'm not rooting for it to happen asap but I am rooting for it to happen as part of the series finale. I despise his character and don't want a happy ending for the guy. Beating Fring was exciting to watch and I was rooting for him. But against Jesse or Hank? Die, Hal!Also, are people actually rooting for Walt to be killed off as soon as possible?
I don't know that Walt is that complex really. He just seems like frustrated white masculinity turned "malignant", so to speak. He gets worse and worse every time he thinks he's not getting the credit and recognition he deserves. Bringing it all back to the Grey Matter company that he is so bitter about that comes up in season 1 and season 2 ties the room together.Also, are people actually rooting for Walt to be killed off as soon as possible? I mean, besides the fact that we know it won't happen based on the opening sequence of this season, why in the world would you want to dismiss one of the most interesting characters in the history of television? I get that he's a sociopath and a despicable person, but so was Tony Montana, Tony Soprano, Alonzo Harris, etc. Most likely, Walt will eventually get what's coming to him but it's an amazingly complex character and I'm enjoying it for what it is.
Indeed whether Gilligan has Walt triumph and just continue to manufacture blue meth or get his just rewards is going to say about the "kind of world" he has created here. It certainly ain't pretty. One vignette from an interview of Gilligan I read said that he loved to "melt army men in an easy back oven and scream for them" (paraphrasing) as a kid. Sure seems like these characters are in the easy bake oven in his mind and he loves watching them twist and scream.I'm not rooting for it to happen asap but I am rooting for it to happen as part of the series finale. I despise his character and don't want a happy ending for the guy. Beating Fring was exciting to watch and I was rooting for him. But against Jesse or Hank? Die, Hal!Also, are people actually rooting for Walt to be killed off as soon as possible?
This show has never really concerned itself all that much with plausibility, but yeah, the last few eps are getting a little flagrant about it.I have a problem with the whole tying Walt to the radiator.If I am tying someone up for a little while then I would tie their legs together and then one hand to the radiator while the other is tied to the bound legs. Either way I would not give him anymore mobility than absolutely needed.Great episode. Here we all were discussing how Todd's going to alter the power dynamic, and he's quickly put to the sidelines and things fall apart in a completely different way than anyone anticipated.It's fairly unforseeable that Walt's going to wriggle out of being locked to the radiator. Even if Mike can figure he can get to the power cord, he probably doesn't even know a makeshift MacGyver blowtorch could be fashioned in such a way. You can't know what you don't know, you know?
one the best scenes in the whole five seasons of the show. certainly one of the funniest for Aaron Paul's expressions alone.one of the best dinner scenes in tv history hahaYo... What ever happened to truth in advertisingHe killed.
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The universe gives Walt dozens of chances to realize exactly what world he is descending into, and he ignores every one of them, or even finds a way to twist them into reasons to continue. I wouldn't say his circumstances make him. He makes him all by himself. Maybe the cancer lowers his ingrained inhibition just a bit at the beginning, but from there on, it's all Walt.I think the show's main thesis is that we all have a villain in us if given the right circumstances. Those circumstances may be everyday modern life.Has any show ever so successfully turned a sympathetic sap like Walt in to a despicable villain. ?
I'm tired of the whole Skylar deer in the highlights act. Her character and the storyline with the kids has been handled poorly.one the best scenes in the whole five seasons of the show. certainly one of the funniest for Aaron Paul's expressions alone.one of the best dinner scenes in tv history hahaYo... What ever happened to truth in advertisingHe killed.
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the plausibility of the "kids living with the in-laws" scenario is weak, but I think Anna Gunn's acting has been one of the strengths of the show this season, and her deciding to try to overpower Walt in the only way she can - through the decision of their children's fate - works. In general, the Walt-Skylar dynamic has been one of the only parts to retain the intensity of previous seasons and not seem "invented" this season.I'm tired of the whole Skylar deer in the highlights act. Her character and the storyline with the kids has been handled poorly.one the best scenes in the whole five seasons of the show. certainly one of the funniest for Aaron Paul's expressions alone.one of the best dinner scenes in tv history hahaYo... What ever happened to truth in advertisingHe killed.
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What should she do?I'm tired of the whole Skylar deer in the highlights act. Her character and the storyline with the kids has been handled poorly.one the best scenes in the whole five seasons of the show. certainly one of the funniest for Aaron Paul's expressions alone.one of the best dinner scenes in tv history hahaYo... What ever happened to truth in advertisingHe killed.
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I'm tired of the whole Skylar deer in the highlights act. Her character and the storyline with the kids has been handled poorly.one the best scenes in the whole five seasons of the show. certainly one of the funniest for Aaron Paul's expressions alone.one of the best dinner scenes in tv history hahaYo... What ever happened to truth in advertisingHe killed.
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Shocking, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.Mike said they were going to leave it there and get a little at a time in the preview for next week. So I guess the guy who knows what he's doing thinks it's safe enough.What makes you think it is safe? They just murdered a kid there. If they leave it there I see it as a pretty bad decision.Where will they put the stuff that's safer than where it is right now?They will use the pump and pump out all of the M into the same tanker they used to fill one of the tanks with water.Seems like it might be hard to move a plastic tank with all that liquid inside of it. Unless Jesse builds a fleet of robots next episode that drink methylamine and fly to a giant tank somewhere to pee it out.I wonder if they are going to keep the tank in the ground and just siphon off a few barrels at a time, or take the whole thing back?![]()
She can't do much with a wild storyline that involves Walt resisting moving back to his condo because he doesn't want to be away from his kids. So instead he pushes his wife over the edge to the point that she sends the kids off to Marie and HANK by telling them the kids aren't safe. Great plan Walt.What should she do?I'm tired of the whole Skylar deer in the highlights act. Her character and the storyline with the kids has been handled poorly.one the best scenes in the whole five seasons of the show. certainly one of the funniest for Aaron Paul's expressions alone.one of the best dinner scenes in tv history hahaYo... What ever happened to truth in advertisingHe killed.
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Exactly, he didn't even wait for the garage door to close. The meth was like his "baby"I have a problem with the whole tying Walt to the radiator.If I am tying someone up for a little while then I would tie their legs together and then one hand to the radiator while the other is tied to the bound legs. Either way I would not give him anymore mobility than absolutely needed.Great episode. Here we all were discussing how Todd's going to alter the power dynamic, and he's quickly put to the sidelines and things fall apart in a completely different way than anyone anticipated.It's fairly unforseeable that Walt's going to wriggle out of being locked to the radiator. Even if Mike can figure he can get to the power cord, he probably doesn't even know a makeshift MacGyver blowtorch could be fashioned in such a way. You can't know what you don't know, you know?
Yeah, Saul getting a restraining order against the DEA is just dumb.This show has never really concerned itself all that much with plausibility, but yeah, the last few eps are getting a little flagrant about it.
Here are three things that I have been wondering about and it wouldn't surprise me if any or all of these things played a roll in the show.
1. Walt taped the ricin poison in the power outlet inside of his home. We don't know what that will be used for yet but it will have a significant role.
You mean buy it, cook it, distribute it all alone?I don't know what Walt's big "plan" is, but why couldn't Walt just buy the methylamine from Jesse and Mike on layaway? He seemed willing to try it, and based on his numbers from earlier in the episode, he would be able to generate $10 million in a couple of weeks. Is it that Mike and Jesse don't think he'd be able to do it? Or they don't trust him?
RIPIt's normal sociopath behavior. Walt doesn't just want to commit the crime, he wants to be acknowledged. Be has foreseen everything important (work and famoly) to build his empire. He isn't doing it in a vacuum. Like many sociopaths he wants to be caught so everyone can see what he did. "#### the fame give me the money, I'm a simple man" does not apply to Walt.
What do you mean by "buy it"? Yeah, he would cook it and he would use Todd and/or people he found through Mike and Saul to handle distribution. That seemed to be what he was saying after Mike and Jesse both said they were out, right? He didn't say "I can't do this without you guys." He said he wanted to keep the business going without them.You mean buy it, cook it, distribute it all alone?I don't know what Walt's big "plan" is, but why couldn't Walt just buy the methylamine from Jesse and Mike on layaway? He seemed willing to try it, and based on his numbers from earlier in the episode, he would be able to generate $10 million in a couple of weeks. Is it that Mike and Jesse don't think he'd be able to do it? Or they don't trust him?
I took the spoiler tags off, b/c they're not spoilers and these warrant discussion.1. I think this will definitely come into play.2. I'm starting to think that Jessie won't find this out.3. I really like this theoryHere are three things that I have been wondering about and it wouldn't surprise me if any or all of these things played a roll in the show. 1. Walt taped the ricin poison in the power outlet inside of his home. We don't know what that will be used for yet but it will have a significant role.2. The more this show goes on the smarter Jessie gets and it's only a matter of time before he turns on Walt because Walt did poison that kid with the Lily of the Valley plant.3. Walt holds a huge grudge against Grey Matter Technologies. We know that Walt really isn't in it for the money anymore as he has said as much. I'd be willing to bet that Walt is planning of destroying that company somehow. (Methylamine just may play a significant roll in how he can do this, which is why he didn't want to part with it)
I just meant buy their share.That's true, Saul probably knows a guy that could have distributed it, but I am going to guess that it would be pennies on the dollar type of thing? Or maybe Quarters on the dollars?Perhaps that is Walt's "everybody wins" plan?What do you mean by "buy it"? Yeah, he would cook it and he would use Todd and/or people he found through Mike and Saul to handle distribution. That seemed to be what he was saying after Mike and Jesse both said they were out, right? He didn't say "I can't do this without you guys." He said he wanted to keep the business going without them.You mean buy it, cook it, distribute it all alone?I don't know what Walt's big "plan" is, but why couldn't Walt just buy the methylamine from Jesse and Mike on layaway? He seemed willing to try it, and based on his numbers from earlier in the episode, he would be able to generate $10 million in a couple of weeks. Is it that Mike and Jesse don't think he'd be able to do it? Or they don't trust him?
As a no preview guy, totally agree these are not spoilers.I am a bit confused, I thought when Walt taped the ricin into the outlet that was the ricin used to poison the kid?Did I mess that up?There is another ricin packet that is currently hidden?I took the spoiler tags off, b/c they're not spoilers and these warrant discussion.1. I think this will definitely come into play.2. I'm starting to think that Jessie won't find this out.3. I really like this theoryHere are three things that I have been wondering about and it wouldn't surprise me if any or all of these things played a roll in the show. 1. Walt taped the ricin poison in the power outlet inside of his home. We don't know what that will be used for yet but it will have a significant role.2. The more this show goes on the smarter Jessie gets and it's only a matter of time before he turns on Walt because Walt did poison that kid with the Lily of the Valley plant.3. Walt holds a huge grudge against Grey Matter Technologies. We know that Walt really isn't in it for the money anymore as he has said as much. I'd be willing to bet that Walt is planning of destroying that company somehow. (Methylamine just may play a significant roll in how he can do this, which is why he didn't want to part with it)I'm still in the camp of that Skyler will link "robbing a train" with the reports of a missing boy in the desert near the train tracks.
Kid was poisoned with the Lily of The Valley from the plant in the back yard.As a no preview guy, totally agree these are not spoilers.I am a bit confused, I thought when Walt taped the ricin into the outlet that was the ricin used to poison the kid?Did I mess that up?There is another ricin packet that is currently hidden?I took the spoiler tags off, b/c they're not spoilers and these warrant discussion.1. I think this will definitely come into play.2. I'm starting to think that Jessie won't find this out.3. I really like this theoryHere are three things that I have been wondering about and it wouldn't surprise me if any or all of these things played a roll in the show. 1. Walt taped the ricin poison in the power outlet inside of his home. We don't know what that will be used for yet but it will have a significant role.2. The more this show goes on the smarter Jessie gets and it's only a matter of time before he turns on Walt because Walt did poison that kid with the Lily of the Valley plant.3. Walt holds a huge grudge against Grey Matter Technologies. We know that Walt really isn't in it for the money anymore as he has said as much. I'd be willing to bet that Walt is planning of destroying that company somehow. (Methylamine just may play a significant roll in how he can do this, which is why he didn't want to part with it)I'm still in the camp of that Skyler will link "robbing a train" with the reports of a missing boy in the desert near the train tracks.
oof, i'm all over the place.IDK why I thought the ricin came from the plantKid was poisoned with the Lily of The Valley from the plant in the back yard.As a no preview guy, totally agree these are not spoilers.I am a bit confused, I thought when Walt taped the ricin into the outlet that was the ricin used to poison the kid?Did I mess that up?There is another ricin packet that is currently hidden?I took the spoiler tags off, b/c they're not spoilers and these warrant discussion.1. I think this will definitely come into play.2. I'm starting to think that Jessie won't find this out.3. I really like this theoryHere are three things that I have been wondering about and it wouldn't surprise me if any or all of these things played a roll in the show. 1. Walt taped the ricin poison in the power outlet inside of his home. We don't know what that will be used for yet but it will have a significant role.2. The more this show goes on the smarter Jessie gets and it's only a matter of time before he turns on Walt because Walt did poison that kid with the Lily of the Valley plant.3. Walt holds a huge grudge against Grey Matter Technologies. We know that Walt really isn't in it for the money anymore as he has said as much. I'd be willing to bet that Walt is planning of destroying that company somehow. (Methylamine just may play a significant roll in how he can do this, which is why he didn't want to part with it)I'm still in the camp of that Skyler will link "robbing a train" with the reports of a missing boy in the desert near the train tracks.
My linkShocking, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.Mike said they were going to leave it there and get a little at a time in the preview for next week. So I guess the guy who knows what he's doing thinks it's safe enough.What makes you think it is safe? They just murdered a kid there. If they leave it there I see it as a pretty bad decision.Where will they put the stuff that's safer than where it is right now?They will use the pump and pump out all of the M into the same tanker they used to fill one of the tanks with water.Seems like it might be hard to move a plastic tank with all that liquid inside of it. Unless Jesse builds a fleet of robots next episode that drink methylamine and fly to a giant tank somewhere to pee it out.I wonder if they are going to keep the tank in the ground and just siphon off a few barrels at a time, or take the whole thing back?![]()
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He's not acting completely rationally at this point. We've gotten to this point via the entire arc of the show. How is this difficult to understand?She can't do much with a wild storyline that involves Walt resisting moving back to his condo because he doesn't want to be away from his kids. So instead he pushes his wife over the edge to the point that she sends the kids off to Marie and HANK by telling them the kids aren't safe. Great plan Walt.What should she do?I'm tired of the whole Skylar deer in the highlights act. Her character and the storyline with the kids has been handled poorly.one the best scenes in the whole five seasons of the show. certainly one of the funniest for Aaron Paul's expressions alone.one of the best dinner scenes in tv history hahaYo... What ever happened to truth in advertisingHe killed.
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Re: 1 and 2, I think this show is wary enough of falling into typical TV convention to not necessarily go down this path. Gilligan seems sharp enough to throw in some red herrings along with any possible Chekhov guns. Or poisons.Re: 3, I'm skeptical.I took the spoiler tags off, b/c they're not spoilers and these warrant discussion.1. I think this will definitely come into play.2. I'm starting to think that Jessie won't find this out.3. I really like this theoryHere are three things that I have been wondering about and it wouldn't surprise me if any or all of these things played a roll in the show. 1. Walt taped the ricin poison in the power outlet inside of his home. We don't know what that will be used for yet but it will have a significant role.2. The more this show goes on the smarter Jessie gets and it's only a matter of time before he turns on Walt because Walt did poison that kid with the Lily of the Valley plant.3. Walt holds a huge grudge against Grey Matter Technologies. We know that Walt really isn't in it for the money anymore as he has said as much. I'd be willing to bet that Walt is planning of destroying that company somehow. (Methylamine just may play a significant roll in how he can do this, which is why he didn't want to part with it)I'm still in the camp of that Skyler will link "robbing a train" with the reports of a missing boy in the desert near the train tracks.
Shocking that super dingdong monkey boy doesn't get it and goes right to name calling. Whod've thunk he'd prove what a mental midget circus freak he is in his first post? Me, for one. Which was kind of the point in the first place.My linkShocking, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.Mike said they were going to leave it there and get a little at a time in the preview for next week. So I guess the guy who knows what he's doing thinks it's safe enough.What makes you think it is safe? They just murdered a kid there. If they leave it there I see it as a pretty bad decision.Where will they put the stuff that's safer than where it is right now?They will use the pump and pump out all of the M into the same tanker they used to fill one of the tanks with water.Seems like it might be hard to move a plastic tank with all that liquid inside of it. Unless Jesse builds a fleet of robots next episode that drink methylamine and fly to a giant tank somewhere to pee it out.I wonder if they are going to keep the tank in the ground and just siphon off a few barrels at a time, or take the whole thing back?![]()
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He could've already "beateN Mike, Hank and Jesse at this point and, with the cancer back and his mind completely gone, he goes after the first people who really "screwed" Heisneberg.Any chance the machine gun is for grey matter and the story is going to come full circle not with hank but with walts business failures?
Yea, I would be surprised if we heard about Grey Matter again, let alone be part of a big story line.Lot of people looking way too much into the Grey Matter thingHe brought it up because it was relevant to the situation with Jessie bailing on the meth biz. He's not concerned with those people.
And a wonderful job of stooping to his level to prove a pointShocking that super dingdong monkey boy doesn't get it and goes right to name calling. Whod've thunk he'd prove what a mental midget circus freak he is in his first post? Me, for one. Which was kind of the point in the first place.My linkShocking, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.Mike said they were going to leave it there and get a little at a time in the preview for next week. So I guess the guy who knows what he's doing thinks it's safe enough.What makes you think it is safe? They just murdered a kid there. If they leave it there I see it as a pretty bad decision.Where will they put the stuff that's safer than where it is right now?They will use the pump and pump out all of the M into the same tanker they used to fill one of the tanks with water.Seems like it might be hard to move a plastic tank with all that liquid inside of it. Unless Jesse builds a fleet of robots next episode that drink methylamine and fly to a giant tank somewhere to pee it out.I wonder if they are going to keep the tank in the ground and just siphon off a few barrels at a time, or take the whole thing back?![]()
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