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[fruity pebbles]

Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

Why do you feel this way? Actually that was a relatively simple apparatus that had little in the way of complexity that would have stopped it from working.

The hardest part to fashion the pivot post that would likely need to be welded/bolted into the floor of the trunk to stabilize the recoil from the rifle. The garage door opener was actually a very simple/elegant solution for the remote-activated pivot. Pulling the trigger would have been easy with a switch wired into the garage door opener (current switched on = trigger pullled.

Not so much the apparatus but everything having to go down perfectly for it to work. The car would have to be parked perfectly in front of the building. You have to get all the nazis in the building at the same time. You have to hope and pray nobody checks the car over before coming into the compound. To spread bullets in a horizontal movement covering the entire building would take several seconds, plenty of time for alot of those guys to hit the floor. A trunk bomb doesn't have to be nearly as precise. They could check the trunk at the gate even and you could still level the place.

 

[fruity pebbles]

And i do realize its a tv show and you have to suspend reality, just found the machine gun to be an odd choice for the final destruction.

 

[Abraham]

Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

Why do you feel this way? Actually that was a relatively simple apparatus that had little in the way of complexity that would have stopped it from working.

The hardest part to fashion the pivot post that would likely need to be welded/bolted into the floor of the trunk to stabilize the recoil from the rifle. The garage door opener was actually a very simple/elegant solution for the remote-activated pivot. Pulling the trigger would have been easy with a switch wired into the garage door opener (current switched on = trigger pullled.

Not so much the apparatus but everything having to go down perfectly for it to work. The car would have to be parked perfectly in front of the building. You have to get all the nazis in the building at the same time. You have to hope and pray nobody checks the car over before coming into the compound. To spread bullets in a horizontal movement covering the entire building would take several seconds, plenty of time for alot of those guys to hit the floor. A trunk bomb doesn't have to be nearly as precise. They could check the trunk at the gate even and you could still level the place.

1. A truck bomb means Walt is going to kill himself, which I don't think fits at all. I don't think he wanted to die but was resolved to that being a possible/probably outcome.

2. There is no reason for them to check the trunk since they are checking Walt and think he is coming there to discuss a new way to cook. Jack's intention is to kill Walt when he arrives. They aren't likely to think that Walt is coming to be the aggressor.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm personally not buying that, but I'm more bothered by the fact that if Walt really thinks that the Schwartzes owe him anything, then he could have simply accepted their money all the way back in season one. Or he could have simply demanded that they cut Flynn a check instead of bothering with the money laundering angle.

But the money he left them to give to Flynn was HIS money...not theirs. That's a big difference to Walt

 

[Rohn Jambo]

And i do realize its a tv show and you have to suspend reality, just found the machine gun to be an odd choice for the final destruction.

It is not.

Walt - "You said it yourself..." Jesse (in an awed voice) "A robot?"

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think Walt absolutely intended on dying in the line of fire by the gunfire he himself was gonna set off. The way he spoke several times, and the way he looked at Holly and Flynn for the last time, he knew he was gonna die that night. But once he saw what Jesse had gone through, he tackled him to protect him first before he set the gunfire off.

 

[pollardsvision]

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Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

Why do you feel this way? Actually that was a relatively simple apparatus that had little in the way of complexity that would have stopped it from working.

And why does he think Walt felt the need to save Jesse in the first place? He had alreadty killed Jesse once. Thinking that Jesse being inkahoots with the nazis to make his product just added fuel to the 'kill jesse' fire. So there was no 'save Jesse' mindset while prepping for this. Once he saw that Jesse was officially in ##### mode, he took pity on him.

In fairness, he wasn't saying Walt felt the need for Walt to save Jesse (when devising the plan), but that Gilligan felt the need for Walt to save Jesse.

In that sense, he does have a point.

Certainly, it's not worth worrying about. Gilligan chose the more dramatic, satisfying path for the viewer. It wasn't some huge stretch that brought the viewer out of the moment, but I'd think Walt would choose the bomb route over peppering the compound with 7.62 rounds.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Anonymous donation to their charity launders it pretty quickly, yes? Even if they report it to the police, no one will claim the money and eventually the charity gets it. Then they give Flynn personal funds. I imagine it could be done.

Seriously? Drug money is pretty much automatically confiscated.

Edit: Also, it's not going to fly to have an "anonymous donor" mysteriously drop $9 million in cash on your front door. The last couple of seasons have made it abundantly and pretty realistically clear that it's really hard to process cash.

9M is a drop in the bucket for them, it won't be noticed. It wont be anonymous, it will be a irrevocable trust to Flynn set up above board by them because they are generous and knew walt when he was sweet etc.

 

[3C's]

Stevia just posted on FB:

Stevia
Always check where you're stevia comes from #BreakingBad

 

[cstu]

1. A truck bomb means Walt is going to kill himself, which I don't think fits at all. I don't think he wanted to die but was resolved to that being a possible/probably outcome.

His goal was two-fold:

- Kill the Nazis and avenge Hank's death

- Save Jesse

 

[fruity pebbles]

Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

Why do you feel this way? Actually that was a relatively simple apparatus that had little in the way of complexity that would have stopped it from working.

The hardest part to fashion the pivot post that would likely need to be welded/bolted into the floor of the trunk to stabilize the recoil from the rifle. The garage door opener was actually a very simple/elegant solution for the remote-activated pivot. Pulling the trigger would have been easy with a switch wired into the garage door opener (current switched on = trigger pullled.

Not so much the apparatus but everything having to go down perfectly for it to work. The car would have to be parked perfectly in front of the building. You have to get all the nazis in the building at the same time. You have to hope and pray nobody checks the car over before coming into the compound. To spread bullets in a horizontal movement covering the entire building would take several seconds, plenty of time for alot of those guys to hit the floor. A trunk bomb doesn't have to be nearly as precise. They could check the trunk at the gate even and you could still level the place.

1. A truck bomb means Walt is going to kill himself, which I don't think fits at all. I don't think he wanted to die but was resolved to that being a possible/probably outcome.

2. There is no reason for them to check the trunk since they are checking Walt and think he is coming there to discuss a new way to cook. Jack's intention is to kill Walt when he arrives. They aren't likely to think that Walt is coming to be the aggressor.

Oh i think Walt knew he wasn't coming out of there and i don't think he wanted to. I mean he wanted Jesse to shoot him. He said all of his goodbyes and arranged everything the way he wanted. The machine gun was the avenue chosen to keep Jesse alive but going in Walt wanted Jesse dead as well, hence why it didn't make perfect sense to me.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think Walt absolutely intended on dying in the line of fire by the gunfire he himself was gonna set off. The way he spoke several times, and the way he looked at Holly and Flynn for the last time, he knew he was gonna die that night. But once he saw what Jesse had gone through, he tackled him to protect him first before he set the gunfire off.

yep.

 

[dparker713]

I never expected Gilligan to make it all work out for Walt. Sure he goes down as a horrible person but in the long run Walt Jr. will appreciate what he did for him and presumably he and his sister will be taken care of forever.

My guess is that Elliott was on the phone with the police five minutes after Walt left. The Schwartzes aren't the money-laundering type.

They lied on TV about Walt's contributions to the company. They are running an empire. They owe him. I don't think doing this for him is beneath them at all. If they are willing to shamelessly lie in order to protect themselves from a drop in share price, they will do a favor for an old friend in order to stay alive

Yea, his last words to them was giving them a chance to make things right. Like if Walt didn't get screwed over none of this would have happened, so take care of the kids.

Honestly, that part still doesn't make sense. "You guys owe me big time, but I spent the first couple of seasons elaborately refusing your unsolicited offers to help me and my family out, and even now I don't want a dime of your money that I'm still sort of laying claim to. But here take this drug money and launder it for me. Professional criminals like Mike have been consistently unable to pull this off, but you two eggheads can probably muddle through."

This is another one of those things that I'll live with because Gilligan apparently felt like he had to involve the Schwartzes in the ending somehow, and this is a lot less stupid than Walt shooting up their house would have been. Having Walt make one last-ditch effort to pass along some money isn't so bad even if the mechanism is pretty unlikely to succeed.

They are pretty upstanding citizens with a huge charitable organization and loads of cash, it actually will be pretty easy for them to launder unmarked money.

I'm personally not buying that, but I'm more bothered by the fact that if Walt really thinks that the Schwartzes owe him anything, then he could have simply accepted their money all the way back in season one. Or he could have simply demanded that they cut Flynn a check instead of bothering with the money laundering angle.

Seems entirely consistent with his ego established for the entire series that he didn't want a dime from those people.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm personally not buying that, but I'm more bothered by the fact that if Walt really thinks that the Schwartzes owe him anything, then he could have simply accepted their money all the way back in season one. Or he could have simply demanded that they cut Flynn a check instead of bothering with the money laundering angle.

But the money he left them to give to Flynn was HIS money...not theirs. That's a big difference to Walt

Right, but it's inconsistent with the notion that Elliott "owes" him anything. He's gone out of his way multiple times not to accept any money from Grey Matter. A person who feels cheated or owed something doesn't do that.

Asking them for this favor as longtime friends would have been logical. This wasn't.

 

[Slapdash]

It was a pretty great ending. The scene with the Elliot and Gretchen was well done.

 

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Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

Why do you feel this way? Actually that was a relatively simple apparatus that had little in the way of complexity that would have stopped it from working.

The hardest part to fashion the pivot post that would likely need to be welded/bolted into the floor of the trunk to stabilize the recoil from the rifle. The garage door opener was actually a very simple/elegant solution for the remote-activated pivot. Pulling the trigger would have been easy with a switch wired into the garage door opener (current switched on = trigger pullled.

Not so much the apparatus but everything having to go down perfectly for it to work. The car would have to be parked perfectly in front of the building. You have to get all the nazis in the building at the same time. You have to hope and pray nobody checks the car over before coming into the compound. To spread bullets in a horizontal movement covering the entire building would take several seconds, plenty of time for alot of those guys to hit the floor. A trunk bomb doesn't have to be nearly as precise. They could check the trunk at the gate even and you could still level the place.

Fair enough. That aspect definitely involves suspension of disbelief. Made for much better TV than just a bomb though

 

[Abraham]

1. A truck bomb means Walt is going to kill himself, which I don't think fits at all. I don't think he wanted to die but was resolved to that being a possible/probably outcome.

His goal was two-fold:

- Kill the Nazis and avenge Hank's death

- Save Jesse

Incorrect. Walt didn't know Jesse was alive until after he went to the Schwartz's. And when he learned Jesse was alive he thought he was partnered up with the Nazi's. It wasn't until he saw the condition of Jesse that he decided to save him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

Why do you feel this way? Actually that was a relatively simple apparatus that had little in the way of complexity that would have stopped it from working.

The hardest part to fashion the pivot post that would likely need to be welded/bolted into the floor of the trunk to stabilize the recoil from the rifle. The garage door opener was actually a very simple/elegant solution for the remote-activated pivot. Pulling the trigger would have been easy with a switch wired into the garage door opener (current switched on = trigger pullled.

Not so much the apparatus but everything having to go down perfectly for it to work. The car would have to be parked perfectly in front of the building. You have to get all the nazis in the building at the same time. You have to hope and pray nobody checks the car over before coming into the compound. To spread bullets in a horizontal movement covering the entire building would take several seconds, plenty of time for alot of those guys to hit the floor. A trunk bomb doesn't have to be nearly as precise. They could check the trunk at the gate even and you could still level the place.

Fair enough. That aspect definitely involves suspension of disbelief. Made for much better TV than just a bomb though

i agree

 

[shuke]

Final scene pan out with music choice was so awesome.

 

[Abraham]

Final scene pan out with music choice was so awesome.

Agreed. It could have been something dramatic or sappy or slow or depressing but it totally fit the style of the show. In fact, I think that if he'd died while "Love Reign O'er Me" or something similar was playing it would have drastically altered the perception of the finale.

 

[pollardsvision]

The snow car scene was some of BB's best work too.

I loved the blue light sequence.

I'd love to see what the Dexter writers would've done with that part.

[Dexter Voice Over] Oh no, I see lights. Have the cops found me? I need to start the car, but they'll hear it. I'm going to have to sit here and hope they keep going. When I can't see the blue lights anymore, that'll mean they've gone and I can try to start this car...

 

[cstu]

And why does he think Walt felt the need to save Jesse in the first place? He had alreadty killed Jesse once. Thinking that Jesse being inkahoots with the nazis to make his product just added fuel to the 'kill jesse' fire. So there was no 'save Jesse' mindset while prepping for this. Once he saw that Jesse was officially in ##### mode, he took pity on him.

In fairness, he wasn't saying Walt felt the need for Walt to save Jesse (when devising the plan), but that Gilligan felt the need for Walt to save Jesse.

I will agree that a bomb would have been his first choice to attack the Nazis but that wouldn't fit with the change in plan for him to save Jesse.

When he first heard Jesse was alive he wanted kill him along with the Nazis and baited Jack into bringing him into the room. However, when he saw Jesse he changed his mind.

Now why would he want to save Jesse? I think it's because he was done lying to himself and finally realized that everything was his fault, including even what Jesse had done to him.

 

[jwb]

I never expected Gilligan to make it all work out for Walt. Sure he goes down as a horrible person but in the long run Walt Jr. will appreciate what he did for him and presumably he and his sister will be taken care of forever.

My guess is that Elliott was on the phone with the police five minutes after Walt left. The Schwartzes aren't the money-laundering type.

They lied on TV about Walt's contributions to the company. They are running an empire. They owe him. I don't think doing this for him is beneath them at all. If they are willing to shamelessly lie in order to protect themselves from a drop in share price, they will do a favor for an old friend in order to stay alive

Yea, his last words to them was giving them a chance to make things right. Like if Walt didn't get screwed over none of this would have happened, so take care of the kids.

Honestly, that part still doesn't make sense. "You guys owe me big time, but I spent the first couple of seasons elaborately refusing your unsolicited offers to help me and my family out, and even now I don't want a dime of your money that I'm still sort of laying claim to. But here take this drug money and launder it for me. Professional criminals like Mike have been consistently unable to pull this off, but you two eggheads can probably muddle through."

This is another one of those things that I'll live with because Gilligan apparently felt like he had to involve the Schwartzes in the ending somehow, and this is a lot less stupid than Walt shooting up their house would have been. Having Walt make one last-ditch effort to pass along some money isn't so bad even if the mechanism is pretty unlikely to succeed.

They are pretty upstanding citizens with a huge charitable organization and loads of cash, it actually will be pretty easy for them to launder unmarked money.

I'm personally not buying that, but I'm more bothered by the fact that if Walt really thinks that the Schwartzes owe him anything, then he could have simply accepted their money all the way back in season one. Or he could have simply demanded that they cut Flynn a check instead of bothering with the money laundering angle.

It was pretty important to Walt that it was *his* money, that he *earned*. And only his money was to be used to pay taxes, lawyers fees, etc, never theirs.

He didn't want charity then, and he didn't want it now. What he probably would have accepted, way back when (before cancer), was "look, give us back the 5 grand buyout, and come back in. You were instrumental, you just missed it, and we'll find a way to work you back in". I think he was always a little bitter about the fact that they essentially said "oh well, you took a buyout. Tough."

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

And why does he think Walt felt the need to save Jesse in the first place? He had alreadty killed Jesse once. Thinking that Jesse being inkahoots with the nazis to make his product just added fuel to the 'kill jesse' fire. So there was no 'save Jesse' mindset while prepping for this. Once he saw that Jesse was officially in ##### mode, he took pity on him.

In fairness, he wasn't saying Walt felt the need for Walt to save Jesse (when devising the plan), but that Gilligan felt the need for Walt to save Jesse.

I will agree that a bomb would have been his first choice to attack the Nazis but that wouldn't fit with the change in plan for him to save Jesse.

When he first heard Jesse was alive he wanted kill him along with the Nazis and baited Jack into bringing him into the room. However, when he saw Jesse he changed his mind.

Now why would he want to save Jesse? I think it's because he was done lying to himself and finally realized that everything was his fault, including even what Jesse had done to him.

He only brought up Jesse to distract Jack. He was about to be taken out of the room and killed and he needed the keys to at least try to execute his plan. Jesse was going to survive if they didn't take his keys or go immediately to kill Walt.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I'm personally not buying that, but I'm more bothered by the fact that if Walt really thinks that the Schwartzes owe him anything, then he could have simply accepted their money all the way back in season one. Or he could have simply demanded that they cut Flynn a check instead of bothering with the money laundering angle.

But the money he left them to give to Flynn was HIS money...not theirs. That's a big difference to Walt

Right, but it's inconsistent with the notion that Elliott "owes" him anything. He's gone out of his way multiple times not to accept any money from Grey Matter. A person who feels cheated or owed something doesn't do that.

Asking them for this favor as longtime friends would have been logical. This wasn't.

I think it's perfectly consistent with Walt. My theory was that Walt would swallow his pride and ask the Gretchen for help. I think it's fair to criticize that theory because that wouldn't have been Walt. Walt didn't want his family saved through Gretchen's charity, but he did feel wronged. So it makes perfect sense that Walt would demand that they get HIS money to his family. It's not a redemptive moment for Walt, because he is being unfair to them. It's kind of our last chance to root for Walt to pull off a pretty morally reprehensible action (even Skinny Pete found it unethical), and I think it fits the theme pretty well.

 

[cstu]

1. A truck bomb means Walt is going to kill himself, which I don't think fits at all. I don't think he wanted to die but was resolved to that being a possible/probably outcome.

His goal was two-fold:

- Kill the Nazis and avenge Hank's death

- Save Jesse

Incorrect. Walt didn't know Jesse was alive until after he went to the Schwartz's. And when he learned Jesse was alive he thought he was partnered up with the Nazi's. It wasn't until he saw the condition of Jesse that he decided to save him.

I rewatched those parts and agree.

 

[packersfan]

1. A truck bomb means Walt is going to kill himself, which I don't think fits at all. I don't think he wanted to die but was resolved to that being a possible/probably outcome.

His goal was two-fold:

- Kill the Nazis and avenge Hank's death

- Save Jesse

Incorrect. Walt didn't know Jesse was alive until after he went to the Schwartz's. And when he learned Jesse was alive he thought he was partnered up with the Nazi's. It wasn't until he saw the condition of Jesse that he decided to save him.

Yup. Vince Gilligan made that clear on Talking Bad as well by drawing the analogy to John Wayne's character in "The Searchers."

Walt came back one last time to wipe out all the "bad" he had created. That included Jesse, until he saw what was going on with him. That's when Walt's compassion for Jesse (which he always had) resurfaced.

I made mention of the Entertainment Weekly article a month or so ago where Gilligan was quoted as saying that the final episodes could be about Walt seeking redemption and whether it was possible. Gotta love how he just came right out and told everyone what the finale would be. No intentional ambiguity. A clear, concise conclusion to a great story.

Take that, David Chase.

 

[comfortably numb]

Definitely had to suspend some belief on this one but I am ok with that.

Perhaps Miami metro police retired to New Mexico? Their most wanted fugitive is able to roam around the whole area making house calls and stopping in a local eateries with no one batting an eye.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

For all the talk about the finale being "too tidy" my only (very small) issue is that I think that the ambiguity of Jesse's ending is cheating a little bit. In some ways, it's definitive enough. Whatever happens to Jesse. Jail, life as a fugitive, whatever, it's going to be better than being a meth slave to a bunch of psychopaths. And Jesse's future is largely in his hands.

But the show went to great pains in seasons 3 and 4 to ask the question whether someone can ever forgive himself for certain things (the scenes with Jere Burns). The show deliberately never addresses that (possibly, I'd argue, because it's a question that Vince doesn't know the answer to).

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm personally not buying that, but I'm more bothered by the fact that if Walt really thinks that the Schwartzes owe him anything, then he could have simply accepted their money all the way back in season one. Or he could have simply demanded that they cut Flynn a check instead of bothering with the money laundering angle.

But the money he left them to give to Flynn was HIS money...not theirs. That's a big difference to Walt

Right, but it's inconsistent with the notion that Elliott "owes" him anything. He's gone out of his way multiple times not to accept any money from Grey Matter. A person who feels cheated or owed something doesn't do that.

Asking them for this favor as longtime friends would have been logical. This wasn't.

I think it's perfectly consistent with Walt. My theory was that Walt would swallow his pride and ask the Gretchen for help. I think it's fair to criticize that theory because that wouldn't have been Walt. Walt didn't want his family saved through Gretchen's charity, but he did feel wronged. So it makes perfect sense that Walt would demand that they get HIS money to his family. It's not a redemptive moment for Walt, because he is being unfair to them. It's kind of our last chance to root for Walt to pull off a pretty morally reprehensible action (even Skinny Pete found it unethical), and I think it fits the theme pretty well.

I can get on board with this.

Edit: On reflection, I also kind of like the touch that Walt is unable to ask for the Schultzes help, but that doesn't matter because according to Gretchen, Walt is already dead. And Heisenberg is perfectly capable of demanding their help.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm personally not buying that, but I'm more bothered by the fact that if Walt really thinks that the Schwartzes owe him anything, then he could have simply accepted their money all the way back in season one. Or he could have simply demanded that they cut Flynn a check instead of bothering with the money laundering angle.

But the money he left them to give to Flynn was HIS money...not theirs. That's a big difference to Walt

Right, but it's inconsistent with the notion that Elliott "owes" him anything. He's gone out of his way multiple times not to accept any money from Grey Matter. A person who feels cheated or owed something doesn't do that.

Asking them for this favor as longtime friends would have been logical. This wasn't.

I think it's perfectly consistent with Walt. My theory was that Walt would swallow his pride and ask the Gretchen for help. I think it's fair to criticize that theory because that wouldn't have been Walt. Walt didn't want his family saved through Gretchen's charity, but he did feel wronged. So it makes perfect sense that Walt would demand that they get HIS money to his family. It's not a redemptive moment for Walt, because he is being unfair to them. It's kind of our last chance to root for Walt to pull off a pretty morally reprehensible action (even Skinny Pete found it unethical), and I think it fits the theme pretty well.

Perfect. VERY

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Walt didn't exactly show up on their formidable doorstep, hat in hand.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think Walt absolutely intended on dying in the line of fire by the gunfire he himself was gonna set off. The way he spoke several times, and the way he looked at Holly and Flynn for the last time, he knew he was gonna die that night. But once he saw what Jesse had gone through, he tackled him to protect him first before he set the gunfire off.

Without question.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Maybe I missed it, but how did Walt get away from the cops when he was hiding in the car?

I'd think they would have seen his footprints in the snow leading to the car. And it looked like the cops shined a light right on and in the car.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Whoever had use grey matter to get the fam Walt's money wins the prize.

well...sorta.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

For all the talk about the finale being "too tidy" my only (very small) issue is that I think that the ambiguity of Jesse's ending is cheating a little bit. In some ways, it's definitive enough. Whatever happens to Jesse. Jail, life as a fugitive, whatever, it's going to be better than being a meth slave to a bunch of psychopaths. And Jesse's future is largely in his hands.

But the show went to great pains in seasons 3 and 4 to ask the question whether someone can ever forgive himself for certain things (the scenes with Jere Burns). The show deliberately never addresses that (possibly, I'd argue, because it's a question that Vince doesn't know the answer to).

This is speculation, but I think Jesse probably knows that he spent enough time in purgatory to make amends for what he did. Or at least that's my take.

Personally, the way they handled Jesse (just letting him go without showing where he goes or what happens next) is probably my favorite aspect of the finale.

 

[The Dude]

Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

I don't know about the one in a million - but the odds were long. Throw in that there was nor reason for the trunk door to open except if that was the trigger to activate the gun. That's a little risky.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

I don't know about the one in a million - but the odds were long. Throw in that there was nor reason for the trunk door to open except if that was the trigger to activate the gun. That's a little risky.

Yeah i think that activated the gun. Plus that things gonna need as much fresh air as possible firing that many rounds.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

so I guess the DEA mug spelling out DEAD was not foreshadowing since Jesse survived.

I can't believe you people in this thread infected Homer now too.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Felt like Gilligan knew what he wanted for an ending and devised the final episode in order to get there. Nothing wrong with that i guess, just felt too neat like i said before. The 50 cal. was a perfect example of that. Instead of just loading the trunk with explosives, enough to blow the entire compound, he had to come up with something to keep Jesse alive. Hence the elaborate machine gun in the trunk that had about a 1 in a million chance of working as planned.

I don't know about the one in a million - but the odds were long. Throw in that there was nor reason for the trunk door to open except if that was the trigger to activate the gun. That's a little risky.

don't think the trunk door had to open for this to work. There was a line of bullet holes through the back panel.

 

[mad sweeney]

I never expected Gilligan to make it all work out for Walt. Sure he goes down as a horrible person but in the long run Walt Jr. will appreciate what he did for him and presumably he and his sister will be taken care of forever.

Walt Jr will never appreciate him. Are you kidding?

It's okay. Walt's real his son Jesse appreciated him. Just like Walt's the only one who appreciated Jesse's woodworking shine box.

In a strange way Mr. White was the best thing to ever happen to Jesse. Had he got involved with him he likely would have been a loser his entire life. Despite what he went through with Walt it changed him for the better.

What?! He's penniless and wanted, with two murders directly under his belt and two girlfriends in a row dead because of him. He'd be way better off dead and living may not be worth it for him Post-Mr White

 

[SacramentoBob]

I never expected Gilligan to make it all work out for Walt. Sure he goes down as a horrible person but in the long run Walt Jr. will appreciate what he did for him and presumably he and his sister will be taken care of forever.

Walt Jr will never appreciate him. Are you kidding?

It's okay. Walt's real his son Jesse appreciated him. Just like Walt's the only one who appreciated Jesse's woodworking shine box.

In a strange way Mr. White was the best thing to ever happen to Jesse. Had he got involved with him he likely would have been a loser his entire life. Despite what he went through with Walt it changed him for the better.

What?! He's penniless and wanted, with two murders directly under his belt and two girlfriends in a row dead because of him. He'd be way better off dead and living may not be worth it for him Post-Mr White

Why would Jesse be wanted? Everyone who knew is dead.

 

[tommyboy]

did you had to suspend disbelief when Gus walked out of the old folks home with half his face blow off? When they got the train to stop exactly in the one spot they could extract methylamine out of? When a HS chemistry teacher decided to be a meth king?

this is like watching monkeys fight over the last banana

 

[Psychopav]

I think Walt absolutely intended on dying in the line of fire by the gunfire he himself was gonna set off. The way he spoke several times, and the way he looked at Holly and Flynn for the last time, he knew he was gonna die that night. But once he saw what Jesse had gone through, he tackled him to protect him first before he set the gunfire off.

I think he was taking the only shot he thought he had but didn't think he was likely to survive. I also think he intended to kill Jesse if he could and that he would have tried to save himself either way. I just don't think he thought it likely that he'd be able to get out of there alive (and indeed he didn't, although that was inadvertently by his own hand).

When he saw the state Jesse was in, I think he viewed it as Jesse paying his penance so decided to try to save him as well.

 

[Scoresman]

I had a huge problem with the finale. it was the laser pointers. there is no way, NO WAY, that anyone, let alone 2 meth heads could hold a laser pointer that steady from that far a distance. try it some time, you'll see how impossible it is. its easy to do it fixed on a rifle because a rifle is bigger and you get more leverage, but 2 little laser pointers? NO WAY. the dots would've been all over the place and we should've seen Gretchen and Elliot's cats going bonkers over them during the scene.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I never expected Gilligan to make it all work out for Walt. Sure he goes down as a horrible person but in the long run Walt Jr. will appreciate what he did for him and presumably he and his sister will be taken care of forever.

Walt Jr will never appreciate him. Are you kidding?

It's okay. Walt's real his son Jesse appreciated him. Just like Walt's the only one who appreciated Jesse's woodworking shine box.

In a strange way Mr. White was the best thing to ever happen to Jesse. Had he got involved with him he likely would have been a loser his entire life. Despite what he went through with Walt it changed him for the better.

What?! He's penniless and wanted, with two murders directly under his belt and two girlfriends in a row dead because of him. He'd be way better off dead and living may not be worth it for him Post-Mr White

Why would Jesse be wanted? Everyone who knew is dead.

We don't know what happens at the site. Do they find the DVD confession? Do the authorities go as far in their investigation to find his fingerprints on the lab equipment?

lots of reasons for Jesse to end up wanted

 

[timschochet]

This nit-picking by some of you guys is driving me crazy. We have been witness to some of the best acting, best directing, best writing we have ever seen on television. Why can't you guys just enjoy that?

 

[fruity pebbles]

I guess Gilligan's next project is a show called Battle Creek on CBS next year. Crime drama that he wrote 10 years ago that wasn't picked up then but obviously things have changed now for him.

 

[timschochet]

I never expected Gilligan to make it all work out for Walt. Sure he goes down as a horrible person but in the long run Walt Jr. will appreciate what he did for him and presumably he and his sister will be taken care of forever.

Walt Jr will never appreciate him. Are you kidding?

It's okay. Walt's real his son Jesse appreciated him. Just like Walt's the only one who appreciated Jesse's woodworking shine box.

In a strange way Mr. White was the best thing to ever happen to Jesse. Had he got involved with him he likely would have been a loser his entire life. Despite what he went through with Walt it changed him for the better.

What?! He's penniless and wanted, with two murders directly under his belt and two girlfriends in a row dead because of him. He'd be way better off dead and living may not be worth it for him Post-Mr White

Why would Jesse be wanted? Everyone who knew is dead.

We don't know what happens at the site. Do they find the DVD confession? Do the authorities go as far in their investigation to find his fingerprints on the lab equipment?

lots of reasons for Jesse to end up wanted

Jesse got into his car, and drove off laughing. That's it. End of story. You don't need to worry about what happens to Jesse after that, because that is the END.

 

[fruity pebbles]

This nit-picking by some of you guys is driving me crazy. We have been witness to some of the best acting, best directing, best writing we have ever seen on television. Why can't you guys just enjoy that?

cause its fun to talk about?