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I think Manning's legacy has yet to be determined. He's got A LOT more years to make noise in the playoffs and one or two runs to the Bowl will put him into HOF status in a lot of naysayers eyes.THAT SAID, I personally have my doubts about the guy. Not because he's not supremely talented and diligent (he is), but he (unlike Elway and Marino) has seen his play take a big dropoff in the postseason. Those guys may have struggled in quite a few playoffs, but they maintained or in some cases raised the level of their play, Manning has not; and that does indeed extend back into college.Cheers

 
I think Manning's legacy has yet to be determined. He's got A LOT more years to make noise in the playoffs and one or two runs to the Bowl will put him into HOF status in a lot of naysayers eyes.THAT SAID, I personally have my doubts about the guy. Not because he's not supremely talented and diligent (he is), but he (unlike Elway and Marino) has seen his play take a big dropoff in the postseason. Those guys may have struggled in quite a few playoffs, but they maintained or in some cases raised the level of their play, Manning has not; and that does indeed extend back into college.Cheers
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I think it's a little early for anyone to label him yet. Those 3 loses, the Colts defense gave up 2 200 yd games to rb's (George and L Smith), and 41 points to the Jets. Peyton will get plenty of chances to win playoff games and he will win his share.
 
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It won't convince those whose minds are already made up, but a counter to Brian Cox:Hey, Manning wins big gamesAnd, believe me, Bob Kravitz (the columnist who wrote this) is NOT a homer.
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:sleep: don't care. it's all about the bottom line and the bottom line is peyton hasn't won when the team has had a chance to win in the playoffs. keep making excuses fellas. you might as well start typing one up now for when the colts get beat down by the titans on sunday.
 
Tee Martin won a National Championship and Manning couldn't.....Having Dungy and Manning together equals a playoff disaster. I'm still living off the bankroll I bet against them in last year's playoff. Maybe it's genetics the old man was a loser too..........

 
Tee Martin won a National Championship and Manning couldn't.....Having Dungy and Manning together equals a playoff disaster. I'm still living off the bankroll I bet against them in last year's playoff. Maybe it's genetics the old man was a loser too..........
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and eli manning's last play at home at ole miss was tripping on 4th down. maybe the suckitude does run in the family.
 
he actually sees peyton manning for what he truly is: a good quarterback who cannot win the big game.as shown last week.
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Wonder what Brian is saying today? Manning's won several big games this year. Miami, Tennessee, Tampa (who was 2-1 on a Monday Night - doesn't get much bigger) and now Tennessee for the 2nd time this season.J
 
Wonder what Brian is saying today? Manning's won several big games this year. Miami, Tennessee, Tampa (who was 2-1 on a Monday Night - doesn't get much bigger) and now Tennessee for the 2nd time this season.J
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Id take that a step further ... someone needs to define "The Big Game"JAA
 
Wonder what Brian is saying today? Manning's won several big games this year. Miami, Tennessee, Tampa (who was 2-1 on a Monday Night - doesn't get much bigger) and now Tennessee for the 2nd time this season.J
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Id take that a step further ... someone needs to define "The Big Game"JAA
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I'd agree with that JAA.It was a "big game" when he lost against New England. That's what started this thread.Using that criteria from Cox, the Tennessee win must be included as a "big game".The usual definition though for people who want their perception to fit reality is to define the "big" games as the ones he loses and the "not big" games as the ones he wins. Guarantee you that if he'd lost the Tampa game on Monday Night, the first thing anyone says is "can't win the big game". When he wins, the people that aren't paying attention just ignore.J
 
Wonder what Brian is saying today? Manning's won several big games this year. Miami, Tennessee, Tampa (who was 2-1 on a Monday Night - doesn't get much bigger) and now Tennessee for the 2nd time this season.J
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Id take that a step further ... someone needs to define "The Big Game"JAA
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I'd agree with that JAA.It was a "big game" when he lost against New England. That's what started this thread.Using that criteria from Cox, the Tennessee win must be included as a "big game".The usual definition though for people who want their perception to fit reality is to define the "big" games as the ones he loses and the "not big" games as the ones he wins. Guarantee you that if he'd lost the Tampa game on Monday Night, the first thing anyone says is "can't win the big game". When he wins, the people that aren't paying attention just ignore.J
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I figured that Edge and Vandy won this game. I could be wrong but it looks like the Colts play better on the road this year than at home. They will come out sluggish with the Falcons again and now that Vick is back it will be another Manning pass-o-thon! I am sure that Cox will start the "you have to win a playoff game" Banter but it makes for great debates with Sals...

 
Thanks PM.I'd love for Cox to go that route. It's the perfect trap.Salisbury's answer is simply, "Are you talking about winning games or playing well? If you want to talk about playing well in big games, Manning threw for 278 yards, 4 TDs and 1 Int in this "big game" in week 13 against New England you're ripping him when his team lost. Make up your mind, dude." ;)J

 
Tee Martin won a National Championship and Manning couldn't.....
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Football != TennisOnly football teams win or lose games. QBs never do either, IMHO, as no one can play all 22 starting spots simultaneously -- not to mention kick, punt, and return kicks. You think Tee Martin would've carried Vanderbilt or Baylor to a national title? The national title wasn't all on Tee Martin. Tee Martin was an effective college QB on an excellent college team. That's all....I remember when John Elway was a "can't win the big one" guy. You'd think people would've eaten enough crow off of that one, but no -- everyone's a psychic these days.
 
Thanks PM.I'd love for Cox to go that route. It's the perfect trap.Salisbury's answer is simply, "Are you talking about winning games or playing well? If you want to talk about playing well in big games, Manning threw for 278 yards, 4 TDs and 1 Int in this "big game" in week 13 against New England you're ripping him when his team lost. Make up your mind, dude." ;)J
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Oh you bet that Cox will go that route!!! :D As for playing well, Manning has done that and the Colts are playing very well as a team. I have to take my hat off to Dungy for keeping these guys focused. Cox vs. Sals probably tonight but definitely by Tuesday night!!! :boxing:
 
Well yesterday's win over Ten proves this whole thread is a pile of crap
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No, it proves that matrix hasn't got the good sense to frame the truth in reasonably accurate terms. Peyton has been a good-if-not-great regular season Qb his whole life.But the fact remains that he's 0-for-career in games that, if lost, eliminate his team immediately from title contention.It's nice that Peyton is having a good season, and it's convenient for all of those who hold him up as their Golden Boy that they can point to yet another season full of nice wins as though this means the perception that he's a big game choke artist is a fabrication. When the Colts are steamrolled in the first playoff game -- AGAIN -- you may all feel free to point to what a significant win he had against Tampa early in the year.The "choker" label isn't something the fans and media hand out lightly. Peyton's earned it through years of rolling over like a prom-night slut in elimination games. There haven't been any this year. But they're coming. Any Peyton will doubtlessly #### the bed again. He hasn't got the heart or guts to put up a winning effort with the season on the line.Few if any FF Qb's I'd rather have. But make me an NFL owner or GM, and I'd tell you there are 30 Qb's out there I'd rather have in charge of my team come playoff time.
 
No, it proves that matrix hasn't got the good sense to frame the truth in reasonably accurate terms. Peyton has been a good-if-not-great regular season Qb his whole life.But the fact remains that he's 0-for-career in games that, if lost, eliminate his team immediately from title contention.It's nice that Peyton is having a good season, and it's convenient for all of those who hold him up as their Golden Boy that they can point to yet another season full of nice wins as though this means the perception that he's a big game choke artist is a fabrication. When the Colts are steamrolled in the first playoff game -- AGAIN -- you may all feel free to point to what a significant win he had against Tampa early in the year.The "choker" label isn't something the fans and media hand out lightly. Peyton's earned it through years of rolling over like a prom-night slut in elimination games. There haven't been any this year. But they're coming. Any Peyton will doubtlessly #### the bed again. He hasn't got the heart or guts to put up a winning effort with the season on the line.Few if any FF Qb's I'd rather have. But make me an NFL owner or GM, and I'd tell you there are 30 Qb's out there I'd rather have in charge of my team come playoff time.
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Hi Mordred,This is where the argument breaks down. We're talking about Cox's statement that the New England loss in week 13 was an example that Manning can't win the "big game." That's the point.Yesterday's win totally answers Cox's statement and the basis for this post.Playoff wins are an entirely different argument. Actually, there's no argument there as he obviously hasn't won any.But I will say this, If I'm an NFL owner or GM, I can't wait to play the owner who'd rather have 30 QBs starting their playoff game over Manning. ;)J
 
But I will say this, If I'm an NFL owner or GM, I can't wait to play the owner who'd rather have 30 QBs starting their playoff game over Manning. ;)J
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:thumbup: It's amazing how many people still don't get that football is a TEAM game. Marino never had the TEAM, and so far neither has Manning.
 
As many have mentioned this is a team game and the Colts still don't have a defense that is Super Bowl worthy. I think the Colts probably will win their 1st playoff game in a while this year, however it doesn't really matter because they are not going to win the Super Bowl. Hopefully by the time they build a defense good enough to win the big game, Manning and the offense will still be operating at a high enough level.

 
I had to bump this. Manning had tons and tons of critics harping on his 0-3 playoff mark, but none were more harsh than Mr. Double Middle Fingers. I can't wait until he eats major crow this week - how in the hell is he going to explain this? :confused:

 
I'd also like to hear from all those gamblers bragging about their bankrolls & extra bonuses they've acquired betting against the colts (and Manning) in the playoffs. :P Atleast they put you out of your misery early :D

 
I had to bump this. Manning had tons and tons of critics harping on his 0-3 playoff mark, but none were more harsh than Mr. Double Middle Fingers. I can't wait until he eats major crow this week - how in the hell is he going to explain this? :confused:
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....and 0-3 wasn't even that bad, considering the defense was more to blame in all 3 of them. A 200 yd game to Lamar Smith and Eddie George, giving up 41 to the NYJ, and finally, Vandy's missed FG to win the Dolphins game. Too much was played into this 0-3 thing. What next, he's a choker because he hasn't won or been to a Super Bowl? Lots of great QB's never made it to the SB. For those who did, how many did Danny boy win? How many did Jim Kelly win? How many did Fran Tarkington win? How many did Elway lose before he won? I just thought I would remind this to those of you who want to start a new "Manning is a choker because" thread.
 
No, it proves that matrix hasn't got the good sense to frame the truth in reasonably accurate terms. Peyton has been a good-if-not-great regular season Qb his whole life.

But the fact remains that he's 0-for-career in games that, if lost, eliminate his team immediately from title contention.

It's nice that Peyton is having a good season, and it's convenient for all of those who hold him up as their Golden Boy that they can point to yet another season full of nice wins as though this means the perception that he's a big game choke artist is a fabrication. When the Colts are steamrolled in the first playoff game -- AGAIN -- you may all feel free to point to what a significant win he had against Tampa early in the year.

The "choker" label isn't something the fans and media hand out lightly.

Peyton's earned it through years of rolling over like a prom-night slut in elimination games. There haven't been any this year. But they're coming. Any Peyton will doubtlessly #### the bed again. He hasn't got the heart or guts to put up a winning effort with the season on the line.

Few if any FF Qb's I'd rather have. But make me an NFL owner or GM, and I'd tell you there are 30 Qb's out there I'd rather have in charge of my team come playoff time.
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Hi Mordred / Vivian,Thoughts on this now? ;) And for sure I've been wrong lots more than you have this season I bet. Just wondering if you believe now or if you think he's been a fluke?

J

 
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Thoughts on Manning this weekend?J
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Brian Cox said this:"He only did what he was supposed to do""He beat the #6 seed and a terrible defense - big deal""He has a 2 and 3 playoff record - not very good""He did that because the Ds were both playing Cover-2"
 
Brian Cox is an idiot.
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Manning must have said something to Cox during his playing days. What we have here is a case where Cox opened his mouth early, blasting Manning, and now he has to keep it up to justify his earlier statements. He won't back down, even if the Colts win the Super Bowl. The guy is an idiot.
 
I wonder if it had something to do with Cox's vicious (but legal) mauling of Pathon in 2001 when the Pats beat up the Colts. Maybe Manning said something to him after the hit...

 
I wonder if it had something to do with Cox's vicious (but legal) mauling of Pathon in 2001 when the Pats beat up the Colts. Maybe Manning said something to him after the hit...
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I think that game has something to do with Cox's feelings on Manning - but I don't know if it was something that was said, or that the Colts got waxed that day and that is his permanent impression of Manning's ability.
 
Seriously what is off about this comment. It's merely factual. I love Manning and most teams would love to have him. But as of yet he hasn't won the big game.Not to say he wont though. I'll go out on a limb (yea right) an predict one day Peyton Manning will win some big games.
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This limb seems real strong to me. Think I'll hang around another two and a half weeks when the Peytonized coach Dungy wins the Super Bowl.Seriously. I backed up the detractors comments even though I disagreed with them. What I find a TOTAL lack of character is these PUTZ's not coming back and saying they were wrong. I know one guy did on another thread (Vivian?) so kudos to him.I'm sure if the Pats win they will be out in droves never mind the odds are stack big time against Peyton. But I honestly feel Peyton pulls it off.GO COLTS!
 
Ahhh.. a whole lotta crow-eatin' goin' on here...I think Matrix's first mistake was believing Brian Cox...
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If he was still allowed to post, then he probably would be backtrcking on his comments. Falling asleep last night to S-Center, I heard Bryan Cox make all those statements on little ESPN blurbs and then he said he picked the Colts to beat the Pats, so, you may hate his comments about Manning, but he picks Manning to go to the Bowl.Also, Sinrman, 18 championships out of 112 leagues? That's not even a 20% winning percentage.
 
Ahhh.. a whole lotta crow-eatin' goin' on here...I think Matrix's first mistake was believing Brian Cox...
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If he was still allowed to post, then he probably would be backtrcking on his comments. Falling asleep last night to S-Center, I heard Bryan Cox make all those statements on little ESPN blurbs and then he said he picked the Colts to beat the Pats, so, you may hate his comments about Manning, but he picks Manning to go to the Bowl.Also, Sinrman, 18 championships out of 112 leagues? That's not even a 20% winning percentage.
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I thought he said:"I give the edge to Manning (on the Manning v. Brady matchup), but the Patriots will win the game. "
 
Ahhh..  a whole lotta crow-eatin' goin' on here...I think Matrix's first mistake was believing Brian Cox...
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If he was still allowed to post, then he probably would be backtrcking on his comments. Falling asleep last night to S-Center, I heard Bryan Cox make all those statements on little ESPN blurbs and then he said he picked the Colts to beat the Pats, so, you may hate his comments about Manning, but he picks Manning to go to the Bowl.Also, Sinrman, 18 championships out of 112 leagues? That's not even a 20% winning percentage.
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I thought he said:"I give the edge to Manning (on the Manning v. Brady matchup), but the Patriots will win the game. "
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Maybe. I was drifting off.
 
Ahhh.. a whole lotta crow-eatin' goin' on here...I think Matrix's first mistake was believing Brian Cox...
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If he was still allowed to post, then he probably would be backtrcking on his comments. Falling asleep last night to S-Center, I heard Bryan Cox make all those statements on little ESPN blurbs and then he said he picked the Colts to beat the Pats, so, you may hate his comments about Manning, but he picks Manning to go to the Bowl.Also, Sinrman, 18 championships out of 112 leagues? That's not even a 20% winning percentage.
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Yeah, I know... tell me about it... :wall: Not a good fantasy season for me... :wacko:
 
Funny that the two players who have the most trouble in the playoffs are now on the same team. Dungy and Manning.
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I'm sure Patriots fans are a little nervous about these two "losers" coming to town.
 
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