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Buffalo Safety-Damar Hamlin is awake and **Bills at Bengals** Game has been Canceled (2 Viewers)

AED was administered on the field
That's.......very bad if they actually needed to shock
Not so fast. It also means electrical current is still in the heart. Most of the time defibrillators won't even let you shock as there is no current in the heart.
The percentage of recovery if a shock needs to be administered is......very low. Just saying
I agree.
 
Let's hope this is true.

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EJ Smith
@EJSmith94
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26m

My cardiac nurse wife says this is a very encouraging, potentially miraculous development.

Joe Danneman

@FOX19Joe
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30m
I’m told Damar Hamlin has a pulse, but is not breathing on his own. He is being transported to UC. Needed AED and CPR on the field.
 
Yeah if he needed to be rushed to a hospital they wouldn’t be waiting for his mom, right?
My wife was just saying this to me
Zero medical background, but my understanding is that when you’re in an ambulance they can do anything they would need to do in a hospital
Within reason - no one’s doing heart surgery in an ambulance.

But once his heart is beating & he’s intubated, he’s probably he considered “stable”.
What in God's name are you talking about? You can't be serious.
 
Aikman with the really good point that they were literally trying to save the Bills’ teammate right as they watched on.

These guys may need some serious grief counseling. The NFL is a ****ing monster if they have these guys play within the next 48 hours let alone tonight.
The nfl knew he needed cpr and an aed and still suggested a 5 minute warmup! It’s wild how evil they are.
Truly are just gladiators to them
I probably shouldn't even post this. But, a little bit excessive reactions ... "It's wild how evil they are"? I get it, it's a very serious situation. I never, ever, ever expected a postponement, even if a player died on the field. It's happened before. I know everyone on earth may hate me for saying it, but I just don't get how it's so extrmely obvious that no one can play football. Sometimes a player has a loved one pass away and still makes a rational decision whether to play the next day, or the same day, whatever it may be. Maybe it's different when they see the guy up close. I can 100% understand postponing the game. But I can't understand not understanding not postponing the game.

To be clear. I don't mind if the game is postponed, I'm not saying "how dare they take away my football game!" It just surprises me how unanimous and vehement the reations are.
 
They said he had a pulse so that has to be somewhat good right?
He might have slipped into a coma of some type, I'm not a medical expert and I really don't want my own fears to upset others in here.
I just want to hear he's going to be OK even if he never plays another down of football

It feels like we are not going to get the ending we desire tonight
 
Still can’t believe the NFL wanted to give them a five minute warmup and get back out there.
All I can say is that this is a crazy and unprecedented situation where nobody should know what to do. Suggesting a five minute break is awful in hindsight, but I’m inclined to give the NFL a pass should they carry on sensibly from here.
Nah. If somebody needs cpr and an aed on the field you send everybody to the locker room. That’s just very basic common sense. Nfl just wanted the show to go on, they deserve no mercy here. Goodell makes like 40M a year to make these decisions.
Christian Eriksen collapsed and had to undergo CPR on the field. Play resumed after he was removed from the stadium. This isn't just an NFL thing.

Well in that case the game wasn't resumed until Eriksen was confimred OK and actually spoke to his teammates telling them to go out and play.
 
Yeah if he needed to be rushed to a hospital they wouldn’t be waiting for his mom, right?
My wife was just saying this to me
Zero medical background, but my understanding is that when you’re in an ambulance they can do anything they would need to do in a hospital
Within reason - no one’s doing heart surgery in an ambulance.

But once his heart is beating & he’s intubated, he’s probably he considered “stable”.
Not at all no, and it's really starting to bother me how several people here are talking medical when you clearly have not even the faintest of an idea what you are talking about.
I don’t mean stable as in breathing on his own - just in the context of what can be don’t in an ambulance.

Sorry. It was poorly phrased.
 
Still can’t believe the NFL wanted to give them a five minute warmup and get back out there.
I know we all cal the NFL out for their greed and insensitivity but, to be fair, this is unprecedented. They likely didn't know what to do in the moment.
I’m not willing to be fair at all. As awful and horrendous as this is, it 100% should have been a situation that was planned for.

If there wasn’t a plan, then it’s gross incompetence and negligence and worthy of contempt. Especially if their first reaction is to get the game going again rather than consulting with the organizations to make a decision together.

If it was planned for and that was their plan, then Goodell and a large number of people should be fired.

Journalists over the next several days should be demanding to know which it was.
Again, not arguing with anyone but 75% of American households don't have burial plans and life insurance contingencies for a worst case scenario in their own homes. I just don't think it's in the nature of people or businesses to have an outlined plan for something of this magnitude. But I get it: maybe they sure. I'm sure they have a plan in the event of a terrorist attack on a stadium, an earthquake, etc. But this is just something you cantanticipateto the detail of how it occured.
 
Still can’t believe the NFL wanted to give them a five minute warmup and get back out there.
All I can say is that this is a crazy and unprecedented situation where nobody should know what to do. Suggesting a five minute break is awful in hindsight, but I’m inclined to give the NFL a pass should they carry on sensibly from here.
Nah. If somebody needs cpr and an aed on the field you send everybody to the locker room. That’s just very basic common sense. Nfl just wanted the show to go on, they deserve no mercy here. Goodell makes like 40M a year to make these decisions.
I’m sorry but you are being kind of an *** here. This is a situation the NFL has not dealt with before. Have some grace.
Imagine somebody you work with or love practically dying right in front of you and your boss going ok you got 5 minutes get back to it.

This is insane. You all don’t have to defend the shield like this. The nfl doesn’t care about you either.
At this point, "practically dying" would be the best news that could come out. If there were any positive news right now it would have gotten out. The people who would have gotten news are packing up to go home.
 
Not watching, but catching up now.

Is Hamlin’s situation comparable to Darryl Stingley , Marc Buonoconti, or Dennis Byrd’s? Or thought to be worse (immediately life-threatening)?
 
Some serious questions on what happens next and how to handle this game, rest of season.
We're not concerned about that tonight
-pssst, yes we are but nobody wants to proceed or even discuss moving forward until we hear Hamlin is going to be OK
The players looked like they saw a ghost on the field when they were huddled together
 
Aikman with the really good point that they were literally trying to save the Bills’ teammate right as they watched on.

These guys may need some serious grief counseling. The NFL is a ****ing monster if they have these guys play within the next 48 hours let alone tonight.
The nfl knew he needed cpr and an aed and still suggested a 5 minute warmup! It’s wild how evil they are.
Truly are just gladiators to them
I probably shouldn't even post this. But, a little bit excessive reactions ... "It's wild how evil they are"? I get it, it's a very serious situation. I never, ever, ever expected a postponement, even if a player died on the field. It's happened before. I know everyone on earth may hate me for saying it, but I just don't get how it's so extrmely obvious that no one can play football. Sometimes a player has a loved one pass away and still makes a rational decision whether to play the next day, or the same day, whatever it may be. Maybe it's different when they see the guy up close. I can 100% understand postponing the game. But I can't understand not understanding not postponing the game.

To be clear. I don't mind if the game is postponed, I'm not saying "how dare they take away my football game!" It just surprises me how unanimous and vehement the reations are.
The game is based around violence and hitting people as hard as you can. There’s not a great answer here.
 
Still can’t believe the NFL wanted to give them a five minute warmup and get back out there.
All I can say is that this is a crazy and unprecedented situation where nobody should know what to do. Suggesting a five minute break is awful in hindsight, but I’m inclined to give the NFL a pass should they carry on sensibly from here.
Nah. If somebody needs cpr and an aed on the field you send everybody to the locker room. That’s just very basic common sense. Nfl just wanted the show to go on, they deserve no mercy here. Goodell makes like 40M a year to make these decisions.
Christian Eriksen collapsed and had to undergo CPR on the field. Play resumed after he was removed from the stadium. This isn't just an NFL thing.

Well in that case the game wasn't resumed until Eriksen was confimred OK and actually spoke to his teammates telling them to go out and play.


Thank you. I don’t understand how anybody can defend this. Bills players were sobbing on the field.
 
Aikman with the really good point that they were literally trying to save the Bills’ teammate right as they watched on.

These guys may need some serious grief counseling. The NFL is a ****ing monster if they have these guys play within the next 48 hours let alone tonight.
The nfl knew he needed cpr and an aed and still suggested a 5 minute warmup! It’s wild how evil they are.
Truly are just gladiators to them
I probably shouldn't even post this. But, a little bit excessive reactions ... "It's wild how evil they are"? I get it, it's a very serious situation. I never, ever, ever expected a postponement, even if a player died on the field. It's happened before. I know everyone on earth may hate me for saying it, but I just don't get how it's so extrmely obvious that no one can play football. Sometimes a player has a loved one pass away and still makes a rational decision whether to play the next day, or the same day, whatever it may be. Maybe it's different when they see the guy up close. I can 100% understand postponing the game. But I can't understand not understanding not postponing the game.

To be clear. I don't mind if the game is postponed, I'm not saying "how dare they take away my football game!" It just surprises me how unanimous and vehement the reations are.
Because there are actual human beings playing the game who may have just seen a teammate, friend, hell just another human being, potentially die on the field right in front of them
 
Aikman with the really good point that they were literally trying to save the Bills’ teammate right as they watched on.

These guys may need some serious grief counseling. The NFL is a ****ing monster if they have these guys play within the next 48 hours let alone tonight.
The nfl knew he needed cpr and an aed and still suggested a 5 minute warmup! It’s wild how evil they are.
Truly are just gladiators to them
I probably shouldn't even post this. But, a little bit excessive reactions ... "It's wild how evil they are"? I get it, it's a very serious situation. I never, ever, ever expected a postponement, even if a player died on the field. It's happened before. I know everyone on earth may hate me for saying it, but I just don't get how it's so extrmely obvious that no one can play football. Sometimes a player has a loved one pass away and still makes a rational decision whether to play the next day, or the same day, whatever it may be. Maybe it's different when they see the guy up close. I can 100% understand postponing the game. But I can't understand not understanding not postponing the game.

To be clear. I don't mind if the game is postponed, I'm not saying "how dare they take away my football game!" It just surprises me how unanimous and vehement the reations are.
Because there are actual human beings playing the game who may have just seen a teammate, friend, hell just another human being, potentially die on the field right in front of them
Yeah to me this is truly a no-brainer.
 
Still can’t believe the NFL wanted to give them a five minute warmup and get back out there.
All I can say is that this is a crazy and unprecedented situation where nobody should know what to do. Suggesting a five minute break is awful in hindsight, but I’m inclined to give the NFL a pass should they carry on sensibly from here.
Nah. If somebody needs cpr and an aed on the field you send everybody to the locker room. That’s just very basic common sense. Nfl just wanted the show to go on, they deserve no mercy here. Goodell makes like 40M a year to make these decisions.
Christian Eriksen collapsed and had to undergo CPR on the field. Play resumed after he was removed from the stadium. This isn't just an NFL thing.

Well in that case the game wasn't resumed until Eriksen was confimred OK and actually spoke to his teammates telling them to go out and play.


Thank you. I don’t understand how anybody can defend this. Bills players were sobbing on the field.
I thought it was ghoulish in real time and I still think it’s ghoulish. NFL blew it in a big moment.
 
Let's hope this is true.

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EJ Smith
@EJSmith94
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26m

My cardiac nurse wife says this is a very encouraging, potentially miraculous development.

Joe Danneman

@FOX19Joe
·
30m
I’m told Damar Hamlin has a pulse, but is not breathing on his own. He is being transported to UC. Needed AED and CPR on the field.
Lets put it this way, it's good news but this situation is unfortunately LIKELY to have a very bad outcome, the worst kind of outcome.
At least he had immediate care. Had he not, he'd have had zero chance.
 
Aikman with the really good point that they were literally trying to save the Bills’ teammate right as they watched on.

These guys may need some serious grief counseling. The NFL is a ****ing monster if they have these guys play within the next 48 hours let alone tonight.
The nfl knew he needed cpr and an aed and still suggested a 5 minute warmup! It’s wild how evil they are.
Truly are just gladiators to them
I probably shouldn't even post this. But, a little bit excessive reactions ... "It's wild how evil they are"? I get it, it's a very serious situation. I never, ever, ever expected a postponement, even if a player died on the field. It's happened before. I know everyone on earth may hate me for saying it, but I just don't get how it's so extrmely obvious that no one can play football. Sometimes a player has a loved one pass away and still makes a rational decision whether to play the next day, or the same day, whatever it may be. Maybe it's different when they see the guy up close. I can 100% understand postponing the game. But I can't understand not understanding not postponing the game.

To be clear. I don't mind if the game is postponed, I'm not saying "how dare they take away my football game!" It just surprises me how unanimous and vehement the reations are.
Because there are actual human beings playing the game who may have just seen a teammate, friend, hell just another human being, potentially die on the field right in front of them
Good point. Which asks the question: if he is in critical condition or worse, heaven forbid, how do these two teams take the field anytime soon in the coming days?
 
With all due respect to everyone here, to me the NFL has handled this the best they could. And Espn as well. You do the best you can with the information you have.

And ESPN has not speculated and have handled this respectfully. This is an incredibly unique situation.
Only the “ok, go get an orange slice & come back in 5” part. That was a bad look in that moment.
 
I assume, especially if he's stable, that the game will resume tomorrow and that the Cincy and Buffalo games next week will be moved to Monday night
 
The percentage of recovery if a shock needs to be administered is......very low. Just saying
According to the Doctors of Twitter this appears to be classic commotio cordis.

AED and CPR increase the chance of survival to 58%, for maximum benefit the defibrillator should be administered within 3 minutes.

Things do not look good obviously but the quick response from the EMTs on site and the limited information shared so far would indicate that he has a chance to be part of the 58%.

(I am not trying to upset anyone, just passing on the most logical explanation/information I have seen so far)
 
I think, if you're looking for things to be hopeful about, a positive is that he got care really quickly. If the heart stops, it's about 4 minutes until permanent brain damage starts happening due to lack of oxygen getting to the brain. They got to him well before that. It's possible he makes a full and complete recovery. Probably not high probability, but it's possible.
 
Let's hope this is true.

___________________________________________________________-

EJ Smith
@EJSmith94
·
26m

My cardiac nurse wife says this is a very encouraging, potentially miraculous development.

Joe Danneman

@FOX19Joe
·
30m
I’m told Damar Hamlin has a pulse, but is not breathing on his own. He is being transported to UC. Needed AED and CPR on the field.
Lets put it this way, it's good news but this situation is unfortunately LIKELY to have a very bad outcome, the worst kind of outcome.
At least he had immediate care. Had he not, he'd have had zero chance.
Yeah. AED was right there, which is good but you have to wonder how long he was pulseless for still.
 
Unreal situation.
The longer it goes without an update, I'm afraid the worse the news.
Finish the game Thursday night and move next week's BUF / CIN games to next Tuesday night
 
With all due respect to everyone here, to me the NFL has handled this the best they could. And Espn as well. You do the best you can with the information you have.

And ESPN has not speculated and have handled this respectfully. This is an incredibly unique situation.
Only the “ok, go get an orange slice & come back in 5” part. That was a bad look in that moment.
Except none of us know what information was available at the time.
 
Critical per Joe Buck - Vital signs are unstable and not within normal limits. Patient may be unconscious. Indicators are unfavorable.
 

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