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[FUBAR]

You have to keep in mind that when an NFL team drafts a player, they have the ability to coach that player and have a lot of faith in their ability to do so. We don't have that same luxury, so at least for me, knowing who is currently coaching that player helps. I would probably be more likely to draft a rookie after i know what team he will spend his key formative years with. (except that staffs change)

That makes sense. I just think draft position and NFL trade value is some interesting context to apply to this draft. There have been a lot of people drafted who couldn't get a 2nd rounder in NFL trade, over 2 very likely top 5 picks (Floyd/Milner). I understand that this isn't exactly the same as the NFL, but (again, not to pick on anyone, I could have picked plenty of players) it is highly unlikely that an NFL GM would take Matt Forte or Andre Johnson over top 5 talent as the DT/CB spots. I just think this draft is a bit more ready to invest in late prime vets than the NFL, with the exception of the QB spot.

Yeah. Because we pay the same (nothing) for all the players. The NFL pays vets more, an is guaranteed to pay rookies less. I think you underestimate the importance of that.

Would have made it more interesting, although more difficult, if we had A salary cap.

 

[Instinctive]

You have to keep in mind that when an NFL team drafts a player, they have the ability to coach that player and have a lot of faith in their ability to do so. We don't have that same luxury, so at least for me, knowing who is currently coaching that player helps. I would probably be more likely to draft a rookie after i know what team he will spend his key formative years with. (except that staffs change)

That makes sense. I just think draft position and NFL trade value is some interesting context to apply to this draft. There have been a lot of people drafted who couldn't get a 2nd rounder in NFL trade, over 2 very likely top 5 picks (Floyd/Milner). I understand that this isn't exactly the same as the NFL, but (again, not to pick on anyone, I could have picked plenty of players) it is highly unlikely that an NFL GM would take Matt Forte or Andre Johnson over top 5 talent as the DT/CB spots. I just think this draft is a bit more ready to invest in late prime vets than the NFL, with the exception of the QB spot.

Yeah. Because we pay the same (nothing) for all the players. The NFL pays vets more, an is guaranteed to pay rookies less. I think you underestimate the importance of that.

Would have made it more interesting, although more difficult, if we had A salary cap.

I wouldn't have done it if we had. Way too complicated with the intricate rules and cap hit details as well as players getting cut and signed as we're drafting.

 

[Concept Coop]

Yeah. Because we pay the same (nothing) for all the players. The NFL pays vets more, an is guaranteed to pay rookies less. I think you underestimate the importance of that.

You could be right, I could be underestimating it. But I still have a hard time believing a top 3-5 pick at DT/CB couldn't get more than a lot of these guys in an open market. Even outside of the financial context, I'd be stoked to get Milner/Floyd over the large majority of RB/OG/MLB/SS/FS, etc. Also, I have mentioned guys still on their rookie contracts, Tyron Smith, for example.

 

[RBM]

I agree on Forte but Foster is an elite RB who can grind out a defense and score TDs. There are several teams now without any offensive skill players. I don't know how they expect to win games with just an offensive line and/or defense. You win by scoring more points than the other guy. There are 20 teams without a single WR. Every team needs at least two. High scoring offenses often have 3+There are 20 teams without a single RB. Every team needs at least 1. When you have lesser RBs, you may need 2.There are 7 teams without a QB. There are maybe 3 or 4 that might be able to manage an offense, and the rest are guys we know suck.Once these teams decide to switch from their D to their O, these guys will go fast. I'd rather have one of the best guys already in-hand than be fighting for scraps.I'm sure you feel the same way about o-line, defense, etc, but there are still a lot of good guys out there and far fewer teams without anyone at those positions.

Remember Terrell Davis, Gary, Portis...If you have a good enough line, 1/2 of the backup RBs in the league would be the next Foster.

So agree with this.

 

[RBM]

Some GMs in here are looking more for a win-now scenario then for the long term future.A team with a good vet QB values Andre Johnson more than a younger WR or another position.Would.you get a top 5 pick for AJ .....NO.Will AJ be more productive than most of the top 5 picks in this years draft for the next 2 years....YES .

I said it earlier, I'm basing this on a 4-5 yr window. 30 yr olds still have value.

 

[RBM]

Yeah. Because we pay the same (nothing) for all the players. The NFL pays vets more, an is guaranteed to pay rookies less. I think you underestimate the importance of that.

You could be right, I could be underestimating it. But I still have a hard time believing a top 3-5 pick at DT/CB couldn't get more than a lot of these guys in an open market. Even outside of the financial context, I'd be stoked to get Milner/Floyd over the large majority of RB/OG/MLB/SS/FS, etc. Also, I have mentioned guys still on their rookie contracts, Tyron Smith, for example.

Every rookie taken in this thing carries that air of uncertainty that some are not willing to risk if they don't have to. Yeah, Floyd could be an all pro in 3 yrs, but he could just as easily suck and not be a starter in 3 yrs. We are starting teams here, not popping these rooks into already established teams/systems. Adding Floyd to a defense with like 2-3 other guys on it is a scary proposition.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Yeah. Because we pay the same (nothing) for all the players. The NFL pays vets more, an is guaranteed to pay rookies less. I think you underestimate the importance of that.

You could be right, I could be underestimating it. But I still have a hard time believing a top 3-5 pick at DT/CB couldn't get more than a lot of these guys in an open market. Even outside of the financial context, I'd be stoked to get Milner/Floyd over the large majority of RB/OG/MLB/SS/FS, etc. Also, I have mentioned guys still on their rookie contracts, Tyron Smith, for example.

Every rookie taken in this thing carries that air of uncertainty that some are not willing to risk if they don't have to. Yeah, Floyd could be an all pro in 3 yrs, but he could just as easily suck and not be a starter in 3 yrs. We are starting teams here, not popping these rooks into already established teams/systems. Adding Floyd to a defense with like 2-3 other guys on it is a scary proposition.

It is a scary proposition and carries risk, but on the other hand, what if he turns out to be like JJ Watt or Suh or Dareus? I am not saying he definitely will, but I am happy to pay a 6th round pick for Floyd's risk/reward ratio. This draft requires managing risk and I think at the point I picked him, Floyd presented very good expected value.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Some GMs in here are looking more for a win-now scenario then for the long term future.A team with a good vet QB values Andre Johnson more than a younger WR or another position.Would.you get a top 5 pick for AJ .....NO.Will AJ be more productive than most of the top 5 picks in this years draft for the next 2 years....YES .

I said it earlier, I'm basing this on a 4-5 yr window. 30 yr olds still have value.

30+ year olds have differing value based on the team. With my Saints team, with Rodgers, I am in an absolute win now mode and have no problem taking a 30+ year old. Realistically with my Chiefs team, without a franchise qb, I have a tough time seeing my team consistently making the playoffs right out of the gate so I am looking to build around youth.

 

[Wu-banger]

Leaving in about an hour and be unavailable till late.....can anyone take a very short list for my Chargers pick ??

 

[ExaltedOne]

7.11 Cleveland Browns select Gosder Cherilus, RT

The best pass-blocking RT in football last year. He'll turn 29 this season, but like Beatty started a little late so doesn't have the mileage. I feel confident that these two can protect Geno while he slings it to my stud receivers.

 

[Concept Coop]

Every rookie taken in this thing carries that air of uncertainty that some are not willing to risk if they don't have to. Yeah, Floyd could be an all pro in 3 yrs, but he could just as easily suck and not be a starter in 3 yrs. We are starting teams here, not popping these rooks into already established teams/systems. Adding Floyd to a defense with like 2-3 other guys on it is a scary proposition.

Risk and reward, sure. But at this point in the draft, there isn't much risk. The impact LT/DT/DE/CB/QB are gone. Is Milner that much riskier than Claiborne who went 4 rounds earlier, because of one "solid" year? Worth less than Charles Tilman?!Just my opinion, but I'd be stoked to get either of them and think they're two of the best picks in the draft.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Leaving in about an hour and be unavailable till late.....can anyone take a very short list for my Chargers pick ??

You're up!

 

[RBM]

Leaving in about an hour and be unavailable till late.....can anyone take a very short list for my Chargers pick ??

Shoot

 

[Nucker101]

I just exchanged a PM with 8ebok24 and am taking over for Warrior(Raiders). I understand that he got skipped over, so can I make my pick now?

 

[RBM]

I just exchanged a PM with 8ebok24 and am taking over for Warrior(Raiders). I understand that he got skipped over, so can I make my pick now?

Yup. 6.14 pick

 

[Nucker101]

I just exchanged a PM with 8ebok24 and am taking over for Warrior(Raiders). I understand that he got skipped over, so can I make my pick now?

Yup. 6.14 pick

Alrighty, I'm just gonna need a few minutes to go over the players already picked and my draft options. I'll have my pick in shortly.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

I'd vote that Wu-banger waits until Nucker makes his 6th round pick before he picks.

 

[Wu-banger]

Chargers select ---

7.12 CB Stephon Gilmore

 

[Wu-banger]

I'd vote that Wu-banger waits until Nucker makes his 6th round pick before he picks.

No.... That's not how make up / skipped picks ever work.......Others were allowed to pick prior and I already posted my selection at the same time you posted the suggestion.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Alright, I doubt he'd want the guy you picked anyways due to his current team. It is just with a new owner, he should get his shot to makeup his pick without rushing.

 

[Bamac]

Am I up next (Bucs)? If so, I'll pick right after Nucker.

 

[HellToupee]

Chargers select ---7.12 CB Stephon Gilmore

Mother####er!!!!

 

[Bamac]

Chargers select ---7.12 CB Stephon Gilmore

Mother####er!!!!

Guess I'll pick after Nucker and HellToupe.

 

[HellToupee]

Sorry folks had a termination meeting today at work. Was working under radio silence conditions , in & out of meetings with a union rep & HP henchmen . The made me the guillotine operator. Couldn't say "hay hold up guys I have to checkin to FBG" when some guy is going to be hitting the unemployment line. Anywho stressful day & I'll be picking in a few after seeing who went

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Chargers select ---7.12 CB Stephon Gilmore

Mother####er!!!!

Shouldn't have left for so long.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Sorry folks had a termination meeting today at work. Was working under radio silence conditions , in & out of meetings with a union rep & HP henchmen . The made me the guillotine operator. Couldn't say "hay hold up guys I have to checkin to FBG" when some guy is going to be hitting the unemployment line. Anywho stressful day & I'll be picking in a few after seeing who went

I didn't see this when I made my last post...

 

[HellToupee]

Sorry folks had a termination meeting today at work. Was working under radio silence conditions , in & out of meetings with a union rep & HP henchmen . The made me the guillotine operator. Couldn't say "hay hold up guys I have to checkin to FBG" when some guy is going to be hitting the unemployment line. Anywho stressful day & I'll be picking in a few after seeing who went

I didn't see this when I made my last post...

still was

 

[FUBAR]

Sorry folks had a termination meeting today at work. Was working under radio silence conditions , in & out of meetings with a union rep & HP henchmen . The made me the guillotine operator. Couldn't say "hay hold up guys I have to checkin to FBG" when some guy is going to be hitting the unemployment line. Anywho stressful day & I'll be picking in a few after seeing who went

been there. similar anyway.Firing people sucks, but at least it wasn't you.

 

[HellToupee]

Makeup pick 7? Jermon Bushrod T Falcons

 

[Wu-banger]

The first post HellToupee makes all day is to call me a Mother ####er ..... I'm proud .

 

[ExaltedOne]

7.11 Cleveland Browns select Gosder Cherilus, RT

The best pass-blocking RT in football last year. He'll turn 29 this season, but like Beatty started a little late so doesn't have the mileage. I feel confident that these two can protect Geno while he slings it to my stud receivers.

1.22 WR A.J. Green 24

2.11 WR Demaryius Thomas 25

3.11 HB C.J. Spiller 26

4.22 QB Geno Smith 22

5.11 LT William Beatty 28

6.22 S Reshad Jones 25

7.11 RT Gosder Cherilus 29

 

[Bamac]

Fair warning, Nucker. I'm picking in five minutes. Probably not taking your guy, anyhow.

 

[FUBAR]

Fair warning, Nucker. I'm picking in five minutes. Probably not taking your guy, anyhow.

Tick tickWhere s duck?

 

[Nucker101]

Fair warning, Nucker. I'm picking in five minutes. Probably not taking your guy, anyhow.

Tick tickWhere s duck?

Sorry fellas, just a bit busy right now. You guys can go ahead and continue the draft, I'll probably make my pick in about 20-30 minutes.

 

[Bamac]

Bucs: Mike Martin, DT

 

[Bamac]

Fair warning, Nucker. I'm picking in five minutes. Probably not taking your guy, anyhow.

Tick tickWhere s duck?

Haha. PM him for me. I hit submit at 5:50. Lucky I checked back. Don't know what happened.

 

[Warrior]

Back now. PM's when it was my pick stopped suddenly for some reason and I was traveling all day today.

It turns out that I'm heading back out of town early tomorrow and I really don't have the bandwidth to research my picks at this point.

Maybe someone could take over for me? I didn't expect to be so busy so suddenly. Sorry in advance.

 

[Nucker101]

Back now. PM's when it was my pick stopped suddenly for some reason and I was traveling all day today.It turns out that I'm heading back out of town early tomorrow and I really don't have the bandwidth to research my picks at this point. Maybe someone could take over for me? I didn't expect to be so busy so suddenly. Sorry in advance.

Hey Warrior, I'll be taking over for you. I'll be making my pick in a couple of minutes, just got back home now and getting caught up with the draft board. Nice team so far btw.

 

[Nucker101]

Ahmad Brooks, OLB, SF is my makeup pick. My team could use a solid LB, and this guy has been apart of one of the best LB cores in the entire league the past couple of seasons.

 

[HellToupee]

Back now. PM's when it was my pick stopped suddenly for some reason and I was traveling all day today.

It turns out that I'm heading back out of town early tomorrow and I really don't have the bandwidth to research my picks at this point.

Maybe someone could take over for me? I didn't expect to be so busy so suddenly. Sorry in advance.

 

[Duckboy]

Sorry for the delay. No text or pm received. On the road.

7.14 LT Anthony Castonzo

Will try to pm next from phone. Someone else may want to try as well.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I pmed fubar

 

[FUBAR]

7.15 cordy glenn

Need a LT, and he's flexible enough to move over if needed

On phone, can someone pm next?

 

[Whicker]

PM sent

 

[AwesomeAuger]

7.15 cordy glennNeed a LT, and he's flexible enough to move over if neededOn phone, can someone pm next?

PM sent. I was hoping he'd fall to the end of round 7.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Sorry for the delay. No text or pm received. On the road. 7.14 LT Anthony CastonzoWill try to pm next from phone. Someone else may want to try as well.

Yeah everyone either needs to pm or ask others to. Like the castonzo pick. Good value IMO

 

[ExaltedOne]

I know its the weekend, but at what point do we skip a person just to keep things moving so we aren't completely stagnant?

 

[Nate Blough]

Im ready to pick. I mean eventually we need to or this will never end.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Im ready to pick. I mean eventually we need to or this will never end.

I say go ahead and pick. I don't think it's a big deal to be skipped at this point.

 

[Nate Blough]

Redskins select Tyson Clabo RT