Can we discuss pet peeves here? (1 Viewer)

[Mrs. Rannous]

Traffic circles with two lanes. I don't get it. In what scenario would one want to be in the inner lane? There's no reason for someone to be doing a full lap or more in the circle. Assuming that you're going to enter the circle and exit it within one lap, going to the inner lane means you literally have to cut across the outer lane twice. That's terrible if cars are coming. If they're not coming, then there isn't enough traffic to need a second lane.

Who came up with these things?

We got one of these a few months ago, and it's amazing. People got used to it and cruise through it with no problem at all.

Not only do people not cruise through the one around here without problems, but I literally don't understand in what scenario using the inner lane of the circle is supposed to be used. I can MAYBE see it for the circles where one of the roads cuts through the middle of the circle, and you could be making a left turn from the other intersecting road onto that one. But we one two lane traffic circle where none of the roads cuts through the middle. There's no scenario where you wouldn't need to cut across the outer lane twice (once to get to the inner lane and one to get out of the inner lane)...meaning that the only time you can go on the inner circle is when there are few enough cars coming that only one lane was needed anyway.

There are two lanes of traffic entering the circle in all four directions. Two cars are side by side on the south side. Both are going north and no other cars are present. They both circle, one in the inside lane and one in the outside lane. They exit north. They hardly even need to slow down. You don't have to be in the right hand lane to exit.

If there's only one lane in the circle, everyone has to slow to a crawl to get through. With two lanes, people are just breezing through even during rush hour.

 

[Instinctive]

Traffic circles with two lanes. I don't get it. In what scenario would one want to be in the inner lane? There's no reason for someone to be doing a full lap or more in the circle. Assuming that you're going to enter the circle and exit it within one lap, going to the inner lane means you literally have to cut across the outer lane twice. That's terrible if cars are coming. If they're not coming, then there isn't enough traffic to need a second lane.

Who came up with these things?

We have several of these in the county. Guess where the most accidents happen in the county ?

There is no way Texas drivers are better than other ones. Just no way.

I rank them below Chicago and Oklahoma but way above Bay Area and NYC, for places I've lived as an adult.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I forget, and then every summer i remember... Delaware drivers.

On another board I used to frequent, there was a user whose pet peeve was Delaware in general: their drivers, their roads, their toll system, their revenue structure, all of it.

 

[El Floppo]

I forget, and then every summer i remember... Delaware drivers.

On another board I used to frequent, there was a user whose pet peeve was Delaware in general: their drivers, their roads, their toll system, their revenue structure, all of it.

People, beaches and lack of taxes seem pretty good to me.

People behind the wheel of cars...not so much.

 

[jhib]

Traffic circles with two lanes. I don't get it. In what scenario would one want to be in the inner lane? There's no reason for someone to be doing a full lap or more in the circle. Assuming that you're going to enter the circle and exit it within one lap, going to the inner lane means you literally have to cut across the outer lane twice. That's terrible if cars are coming. If they're not coming, then there isn't enough traffic to need a second lane.

Who came up with these things?

We got one of these a few months ago, and it's amazing. People got used to it and cruise through it with no problem at all.

Not only do people not cruise through the one around here without problems, but I literally don't understand in what scenario using the inner lane of the circle is supposed to be used. I can MAYBE see it for the circles where one of the roads cuts through the middle of the circle, and you could be making a left turn from the other intersecting road onto that one. But we one two lane traffic circle where none of the roads cuts through the middle. There's no scenario where you wouldn't need to cut across the outer lane twice (once to get to the inner lane and one to get out of the inner lane)...meaning that the only time you can go on the inner circle is when there are few enough cars coming that only one lane was needed anyway.

There are two lanes of traffic entering the circle in all four directions. Two cars are side by side on the south side. Both are going north and no other cars are present. They both circle, one in the inside lane and one in the outside lane. They exit north. They hardly even need to slow down. You don't have to be in the right hand lane to exit.

If there's only one lane in the circle, everyone has to slow to a crawl to get through. With two lanes, people are just breezing through even during rush hour.

This. Turning right (1st exit)? Then enter the circle while in the right lane. Going straight (2nd exit)? Then enter the circle while in either lane. Turning left (3rd exit)? Enter the circle while in the left lane.

Right lane has to exit at either exit 1 or 2, left lane can exit at either exit 2 or 3 (or 4 to change direction, or keep going around if lost).

If you're yielding to enter, you're waiting less time for 3 pairs of cars to go by then you would for a single line of 6 cars, so less backup.

 

[zoobird]

Traffic circles with two lanes. I don't get it. In what scenario would one want to be in the inner lane? There's no reason for someone to be doing a full lap or more in the circle. Assuming that you're going to enter the circle and exit it within one lap, going to the inner lane means you literally have to cut across the outer lane twice. That's terrible if cars are coming. If they're not coming, then there isn't enough traffic to need a second lane.

Who came up with these things?

We got one of these a few months ago, and it's amazing. People got used to it and cruise through it with no problem at all.

Not only do people not cruise through the one around here without problems, but I literally don't understand in what scenario using the inner lane of the circle is supposed to be used. I can MAYBE see it for the circles where one of the roads cuts through the middle of the circle, and you could be making a left turn from the other intersecting road onto that one. But we one two lane traffic circle where none of the roads cuts through the middle. There's no scenario where you wouldn't need to cut across the outer lane twice (once to get to the inner lane and one to get out of the inner lane)...meaning that the only time you can go on the inner circle is when there are few enough cars coming that only one lane was needed anyway.

There are two lanes of traffic entering the circle in all four directions. Two cars are side by side on the south side. Both are going north and no other cars are present. They both circle, one in the inside lane and one in the outside lane. They exit north. They hardly even need to slow down. You don't have to be in the right hand lane to exit.

If there's only one lane in the circle, everyone has to slow to a crawl to get through. With two lanes, people are just breezing through even during rush hour.

How does the car in the left lane know that the car in the right lane is exiting in the same direction as themself? If I'm in the left lane and I assume that the car next to me is exiting the same way as I am, but they're actually exiting one exit after me...we crash

 

[zoobird]

Traffic circles with two lanes. I don't get it. In what scenario would one want to be in the inner lane? There's no reason for someone to be doing a full lap or more in the circle. Assuming that you're going to enter the circle and exit it within one lap, going to the inner lane means you literally have to cut across the outer lane twice. That's terrible if cars are coming. If they're not coming, then there isn't enough traffic to need a second lane.

Who came up with these things?

We got one of these a few months ago, and it's amazing. People got used to it and cruise through it with no problem at all.

Not only do people not cruise through the one around here without problems, but I literally don't understand in what scenario using the inner lane of the circle is supposed to be used. I can MAYBE see it for the circles where one of the roads cuts through the middle of the circle, and you could be making a left turn from the other intersecting road onto that one. But we one two lane traffic circle where none of the roads cuts through the middle. There's no scenario where you wouldn't need to cut across the outer lane twice (once to get to the inner lane and one to get out of the inner lane)...meaning that the only time you can go on the inner circle is when there are few enough cars coming that only one lane was needed anyway.

Where there are two lanes entering the circle, the right or outside lane is for drivers going straight thru. The left or inside lane is for drivers making a left turn. The problem is that everyone does not know that. And yes, you do have to cross over the outside lane to make that left turn.

This makes sense if one of the cross-directions goes straight through the circle, allowing those going in the other cross-direction to turn left. However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

 

[GenX fan]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

If it's the same time every day, you could have a pizza delivered to the berk. Or a nasty gram singer.

 

[Terminalxylem]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

Let it go, and avoid watching the surveillance so much.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

Does he pick up the poop? If yes, then this is no big deal and you should let it go. If no, then a polite conversation may be in order. If their town has an ordinance about picking up poop, mention that.

 

[FarFromHome]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

I had the same problem and could never catch the person. I really take pride in my yard, I also have 3 dogs. I actually don't care if your dog craps in my yard. Just pick the damn mess up. My solution? I got a small sign I stuck in the yard that says, "Lawn Sprayed Recently with Poison" Its been 6 months and zero dog crap on my yard. I also took sign down 3 months ago. Took me 3 months to train owners. I trained those owners like a dog. Ha ha

 

[GenX fan]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

Does he pick up the poop? If yes, then this is no big deal and you should let it go. If no, then a polite conversation may be in order. If your town has an ordinance about picking up poop, mention that.

He does not pick up the poop.

 

[GenX fan]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

I had the same problem and could never catch the person. I really take pride in my yard, I also have 3 dogs. I actually don't care if your dog craps in my yard. Just pick the damn mess up. My solution? I got a small sign I stuck in the yard that says, "Lawn Sprayed Recently with Poison" Its been 6 months and zero dog crap on my yard. I also took sign down 3 months ago. Took me 3 months to train owners. I trained those owners like a dog. Ha ha

This is a pretty good idea, thank you.

 

[fatness]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

Get a drone that smells like meat and fly it all around him until his dog starts chasing it.

 

[Terminalxylem]

My parents are currently away from their house, and it is empty right now. I live 400 miles away, but I have been monitoring the home via video cameras and Google Home.

Every single day, some JERK brings his poodle on a walk and stops specifically in my parents' front yard to let the dog take a ####. It's like the guy somehow knows that there is no one currently living there. I don't know the guy at all.

Curious what you would do in this situation? My wife says I should let it go, but it is so damn disrespectful to my parents' property. This dude needs to learn a lesson imo.

Get a drone that smells like meat and fly it all around him until his dog starts chasing it.

Good idea. I’d also attach a bucket labeled “dog poison” to the drone.

 

[zoobird]

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

 

[Instinctive]

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

If I recall correctly, traffic accidents go up a lot the first couple years of a traffic circle and then settle at a level below what they were before the circle. The problem isn't traffic circles, it's that Americans don't encounter them much and don't know what to do. I'd go find the study and stuff but it's a vague memory from a decade ago when they wanted to put one in our neighborhood and we did a bunch of research on it.

 

[zoobird]

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

If I recall correctly, traffic accidents go up a lot the first couple years of a traffic circle and then settle at a level below what they were before the circle. The problem isn't traffic circles, it's that Americans don't encounter them much and don't know what to do. I'd go find the study and stuff but it's a vague memory from a decade ago when they wanted to put one in our neighborhood and we did a bunch of research on it.

That makes sense, but I think there are also large differences in the quality of design of traffic circles. There are four that I can think of that I pass occasionally, and each of them is designed completely differently, with different configuration, rules and signage. They range from easy for anyone to use the first time to easy once you get the hang of it, to dangerous no matter how experienced you are.

 

[Scoresman]

This might be more of an appreciation post of Amazon Prime than a pet peeve, but ordering anything online not from Amazon just plain stinks. On Amazon, I can order a pair of lobster slippers and have it arrive at my doorstep later this afternoon, same day, but anything I order not from Amazon can take up to 2 weeks.

 

[jhib]

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

 

[zoobird]

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

Yeah, I think this is the correct answer. My wife pointed this out when we were discussing it this morning. There definitely isn't good signage, but the outer lane MAY be exit only. Because of the lack of signage, I think one of the problems is cars in the outer lane that suddenly need to cut over to the inner lane, causing problems. I need to take a careful look next time we're at the circle I'm thinking of (which I think, but am not sure, is the one that my daughter's friends have both had their accidents at)

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Vinaigrette is vin a gret

Not vinegar et

Idk why this bothers me so much

 

[the moops]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

 

[zoobird]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

That's because people are trying to earn a college degree to understand what to do there.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

Route 1 and Washington Road? It’s basically a glorified jughandle system, which people from NJ understand, even if no one else does.

We have something similar at an intersection of Route 30 in the town I live in in South Jersey. It’s a little annoying but I’ve never seen an accident there.

 

[nirad3]

People that drive a fairly significant amount under the speed limit, but fast enough where it is challenging to pass them. There's a stretch of road leading up to where I turn into my work's business park where the speed limit is 50. Normal flow of traffic has people going a bit over that amount but never more than 55ish unless they are a lunatic.

Example, this morning I got stuck behind an older lady going about 43-44 (I was looking at my own speed) and had to wait for 3-4 cars to pass us in the left lane before going around her (I needed to get into the right lane to turn into my business park down the road). I got up to 50ish and looked in my rearview and she was still puttering along.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

People that drive a fairly significant amount under the speed limit, but fast enough where it is challenging to pass them. There's a stretch of road leading up to where I turn into my work's business park where the speed limit is 50. Normal flow of traffic has people going a bit over that amount but never more than 55ish unless they are a lunatic.

Example, this morning I got stuck behind an older lady going about 43-44 (I was looking at my own speed) and had to wait for 3-4 cars to pass us in the left lane before going around her (I needed to get into the right lane to turn into my business park down the road). I got up to 50ish and looked in my rearview and she was still puttering along.

Only thing worse is when they speed up as soon as you try to pass them.

 

[mr. furley]

dealing with someone who will say **** like "it's not that things have gotten more expensive, they just cost more" and ardently believe that there's a difference

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

dealing with someone who will say **** like "it's not that things have gotten more expensive, they just cost more" and ardently believe that there's a difference

At least you can easily tell who the stupid people are.

 

[Gally]

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

Yeah, I think this is the correct answer. My wife pointed this out when we were discussing it this morning. There definitely isn't good signage, but the outer lane MAY be exit only. Because of the lack of signage, I think one of the problems is cars in the outer lane that suddenly need to cut over to the inner lane, causing problems. I need to take a careful look next time we're at the circle I'm thinking of (which I think, but am not sure, is the one that my daughter's friends have both had their accidents at)

Typically that "signage" will be as you approach the circle and the roadway will say "exit only" for the right lane (meaning you have to stay right and exit the circle the first opportunity) and the left lane is to continue.

The circle works best when every entrance is set up this way. That way the right lane is always an immediate exit and the left lane can exit any time and nobody has to every change lanes.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

People that drive a fairly significant amount under the speed limit, but fast enough where it is challenging to pass them. There's a stretch of road leading up to where I turn into my work's business park where the speed limit is 50. Normal flow of traffic has people going a bit over that amount but never more than 55ish unless they are a lunatic.

Example, this morning I got stuck behind an older lady going about 43-44 (I was looking at my own speed) and had to wait for 3-4 cars to pass us in the left lane before going around her (I needed to get into the right lane to turn into my business park down the road). I got up to 50ish and looked in my rearview and she was still puttering along.

Only thing worse is when they speed up as soon as you try to pass them.

Driving to mammoth on the 395. Mostly a 4 lane highway. Only 2 lanes at times. my favorite folks are the ones that I pass because they’re doing 65-70. Then they speed up and settle into my blind spot. W. T. F?

 

[rockaction]

People that drive a fairly significant amount under the speed limit, but fast enough where it is challenging to pass them. There's a stretch of road leading up to where I turn into my work's business park where the speed limit is 50. Normal flow of traffic has people going a bit over that amount but never more than 55ish unless they are a lunatic.

Example, this morning I got stuck behind an older lady going about 43-44 (I was looking at my own speed) and had to wait for 3-4 cars to pass us in the left lane before going around her (I needed to get into the right lane to turn into my business park down the road). I got up to 50ish and looked in my rearview and she was still puttering along.

Only thing worse is when they speed up as soon as you try to pass them.

Driving to mammoth on the 395. Mostly a 4 lane highway. Only 2 lanes at times. my favorite folks are the ones that I pass because they’re doing 65-70. Then they speed up and settle into my blind spot. W. T. F?

Read the greatest essay about CA freeways last night. Literally. Joan Didion’s “Bureaucrats,” in which she explains where all our lanes went. It’s funny and angering at the same time.

 

[zoobird]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

Route 1 and Washington Road? It’s basically a glorified jughandle system, which people from NJ understand, even if no one else does.

We have something similar at an intersection of Route 30 in the town I live in in South Jersey. It’s a little annoying but I’ve never seen an accident there.

Yup.

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

Yeah, I think this is the correct answer. My wife pointed this out when we were discussing it this morning. There definitely isn't good signage, but the outer lane MAY be exit only. Because of the lack of signage, I think one of the problems is cars in the outer lane that suddenly need to cut over to the inner lane, causing problems. I need to take a careful look next time we're at the circle I'm thinking of (which I think, but am not sure, is the one that my daughter's friends have both had their accidents at)

Typically that "signage" will be as you approach the circle and the roadway will say "exit only" for the right lane (meaning you have to stay right and exit the circle the first opportunity) and the left lane is to continue.

The circle works best when every entrance is set up this way. That way the right lane is always an immediate exit and the left lane can exit any time and nobody has to every change lanes.

Yeah - the issue with the circle I have in mind (not the Princeton one discussed above) is that I don't think it is set up this way (although need to confirm next time I'm there) and there definitely is not clear signage

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

Route 1 and Washington Road? It’s basically a glorified jughandle system, which people from NJ understand, even if no one else does.

We have something similar at an intersection of Route 30 in the town I live in in South Jersey. It’s a little annoying but I’ve never seen an accident there.

Yup.

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

Yeah, I think this is the correct answer. My wife pointed this out when we were discussing it this morning. There definitely isn't good signage, but the outer lane MAY be exit only. Because of the lack of signage, I think one of the problems is cars in the outer lane that suddenly need to cut over to the inner lane, causing problems. I need to take a careful look next time we're at the circle I'm thinking of (which I think, but am not sure, is the one that my daughter's friends have both had their accidents at)

Typically that "signage" will be as you approach the circle and the roadway will say "exit only" for the right lane (meaning you have to stay right and exit the circle the first opportunity) and the left lane is to continue.

The circle works best when every entrance is set up this way. That way the right lane is always an immediate exit and the left lane can exit any time and nobody has to every change lanes.

Yeah - the issue with the circle I have in mind (not the Princeton one discussed above) is that I don't think it is set up this way (although need to confirm next time I'm there) and there definitely is not clear signage

The old Marlton Circle -- which is the picture on that Wiki page -- was an absolute nightmare. But it hasn't looked like that in years. The DOT tore it up and built an overpass to send Route 73 over Route 70, so now you get from one road to the other via ramps.

 

[belljr]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

Route 1 and Washington Road? It’s basically a glorified jughandle system, which people from NJ understand, even if no one else does.

We have something similar at an intersection of Route 30 in the town I live in in South Jersey. It’s a little annoying but I’ve never seen an accident there.

Yup.

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

Yeah, I think this is the correct answer. My wife pointed this out when we were discussing it this morning. There definitely isn't good signage, but the outer lane MAY be exit only. Because of the lack of signage, I think one of the problems is cars in the outer lane that suddenly need to cut over to the inner lane, causing problems. I need to take a careful look next time we're at the circle I'm thinking of (which I think, but am not sure, is the one that my daughter's friends have both had their accidents at)

Typically that "signage" will be as you approach the circle and the roadway will say "exit only" for the right lane (meaning you have to stay right and exit the circle the first opportunity) and the left lane is to continue.

The circle works best when every entrance is set up this way. That way the right lane is always an immediate exit and the left lane can exit any time and nobody has to every change lanes.

Yeah - the issue with the circle I have in mind (not the Princeton one discussed above) is that I don't think it is set up this way (although need to confirm next time I'm there) and there definitely is not clear signage

The old Marlton Circle -- which is the picture on that Wiki page -- was an absolute nightmare. But it hasn't looked like that in years. The DOT tore it up and built an overpass to send Route 73 over Route 70, so now you get from one road to the other via ramps.

And the ACY airport circle now looks exactly like the marlton circle

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

Route 1 and Washington Road? It’s basically a glorified jughandle system, which people from NJ understand, even if no one else does.

We have something similar at an intersection of Route 30 in the town I live in in South Jersey. It’s a little annoying but I’ve never seen an accident there.

Yup.

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

Yeah, I think this is the correct answer. My wife pointed this out when we were discussing it this morning. There definitely isn't good signage, but the outer lane MAY be exit only. Because of the lack of signage, I think one of the problems is cars in the outer lane that suddenly need to cut over to the inner lane, causing problems. I need to take a careful look next time we're at the circle I'm thinking of (which I think, but am not sure, is the one that my daughter's friends have both had their accidents at)

Typically that "signage" will be as you approach the circle and the roadway will say "exit only" for the right lane (meaning you have to stay right and exit the circle the first opportunity) and the left lane is to continue.

The circle works best when every entrance is set up this way. That way the right lane is always an immediate exit and the left lane can exit any time and nobody has to every change lanes.

Yeah - the issue with the circle I have in mind (not the Princeton one discussed above) is that I don't think it is set up this way (although need to confirm next time I'm there) and there definitely is not clear signage

The old Marlton Circle -- which is the picture on that Wiki page -- was an absolute nightmare. But it hasn't looked like that in years. The DOT tore it up and built an overpass to send Route 73 over Route 70, so now you get from one road to the other via ramps.

And the ACY airport circle now looks exactly like the marlton circle

New Jersey. Amiright?

 

[jhib]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

Route 1 and Washington Road? It’s basically a glorified jughandle system, which people from NJ understand, even if no one else does.

We have something similar at an intersection of Route 30 in the town I live in in South Jersey. It’s a little annoying but I’ve never seen an accident there.

Yup.

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

Yeah, I think this is the correct answer. My wife pointed this out when we were discussing it this morning. There definitely isn't good signage, but the outer lane MAY be exit only. Because of the lack of signage, I think one of the problems is cars in the outer lane that suddenly need to cut over to the inner lane, causing problems. I need to take a careful look next time we're at the circle I'm thinking of (which I think, but am not sure, is the one that my daughter's friends have both had their accidents at)

Typically that "signage" will be as you approach the circle and the roadway will say "exit only" for the right lane (meaning you have to stay right and exit the circle the first opportunity) and the left lane is to continue.

The circle works best when every entrance is set up this way. That way the right lane is always an immediate exit and the left lane can exit any time and nobody has to every change lanes.

Yeah - the issue with the circle I have in mind (not the Princeton one discussed above) is that I don't think it is set up this way (although need to confirm next time I'm there) and there definitely is not clear signage

If it's the Flemington circle (the big 202/12/32 one, not the smaller ones nearby), then it has some "quirks" compared to other circles. Like the fact that you can already be in the circle but have to yield to people entering at one point.
Also, an issue with double lane circles is that people entering the circle from the right lane at a yield point often think they can go if no one already in the circle is in the right lane. But you have to yield to both lanes.

 

[zoobird]

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

There's the problem. This isn't a traffic circle. It's a traffic circle with a road cutting across it for no reason. It should all be a circle, or not at all. I can't imagine what doofus designed this abomination.

Absolutely what I was thinking. That thing looks like what would be featured in an article about terrible urban planning and engineering

I showed to Mr R. He said, "Oh, my god. That's idiotic."

I'm not sure if that specific one still exists, but there's a miniature version of that layout which functions essentially as the main entrance to the village of Princeton. Exactly that layout, except the entire thing is 100 yards or less across. Surprisingly, nowhere near as dangerous as the two lane circles around here that don't have a road cutting through the middle.

Route 1 and Washington Road? It’s basically a glorified jughandle system, which people from NJ understand, even if no one else does.

We have something similar at an intersection of Route 30 in the town I live in in South Jersey. It’s a little annoying but I’ve never seen an accident there.

Yup.

However, there's at least one two-lane traffic circle near me where neither cross-direction cuts through the center of the circle, meaning there are no left turns.

?????

I have no idea what this means. Can you explain more, please?

The first traffic circle illustrated here (in the upper right) is one that allows you to make a left turn. If you're coming from the top or the bottom of the picture, you can turn left, because the road that goes side-to-side cuts through the middle of the circle.

Traffic circles in New Jersey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, there's at least one two lane traffic circle in NJ where neither road cuts through the middle of the circle, meaning that there are no possible left turns...no matter which exit you take from the circle, you're going to make a right turn to exit the circle.

You had noted earlier that if cars in both lanes come in on one side (let's say, the bottom) and go out at the top, then there's no problem. The issue is that if I'm the car in the left lane, and you're the car in the right lane, I have no way of knowing whether you're going to go straight or whether you're going to continue around the circle and crash into me when I cut straight across the outer lane as I exit.

Coincidentally, my daughter's best friend had an accident in one of these circles yesterday. This is now two of her three closest friends who have had accidents in traffic circles (I think in the same one, but not confirmed).

This is where good signage and paint on the road helps. Usually (always?) any place you can exit the circle from the left lane, the lane on the right (where I am, traveling next to you) is an exit-only lane, so it's not (or shouldn't be) a problem. Of course, you're also supposed to use your turn signal when you're going to exit, but we know how people seem to hate using turn signals properly.

Yeah, I think this is the correct answer. My wife pointed this out when we were discussing it this morning. There definitely isn't good signage, but the outer lane MAY be exit only. Because of the lack of signage, I think one of the problems is cars in the outer lane that suddenly need to cut over to the inner lane, causing problems. I need to take a careful look next time we're at the circle I'm thinking of (which I think, but am not sure, is the one that my daughter's friends have both had their accidents at)

Typically that "signage" will be as you approach the circle and the roadway will say "exit only" for the right lane (meaning you have to stay right and exit the circle the first opportunity) and the left lane is to continue.

The circle works best when every entrance is set up this way. That way the right lane is always an immediate exit and the left lane can exit any time and nobody has to every change lanes.

Yeah - the issue with the circle I have in mind (not the Princeton one discussed above) is that I don't think it is set up this way (although need to confirm next time I'm there) and there definitely is not clear signage

If it's the Flemington circle (the big 202/12/32 one, not the smaller ones nearby), then it has some "quirks" compared to other circles. Like the fact that you can already be in the circle but have to yield to people entering at one point.
Also, an issue with double lane circles is that people entering the circle from the right lane at a yield point often think they can go if no one already in the circle is in the right lane. But you have to yield to both lanes.

Not familiar with that one. I'm thinking of one closer to the Jersey shore...I think it may be intersection of Route 33 and 34, but not quite sure about that...definitely in that area though.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Also, an issue with double lane circles is that people entering the circle from the right lane at a yield point often think they can go if no one already in the circle is in the right lane. But you have to yield to both lanes.

Why? That makes no sense. AS long as you exit properly at the next right, everything should be fine.

 

[jhib]

Also, an issue with double lane circles is that people entering the circle from the right lane at a yield point often think they can go if no one already in the circle is in the right lane. But you have to yield to both lanes.

Why? That makes no sense. AS long as you exit properly at the next right, everything should be fine.

I imagine it's because of a combination of factors like 1) you're not always required to take the very first exit (often first or second) and 2) the cars in the circle's left lane can either exit from their lane, or if not, they may be moving into the right as they are passing the point you are entering from in order to be able to take the next exit.

Pretty much everywhere I see describe the rules of the road, they have statements like this for 2-lane circles: "Drivers must yield to traffic in all lanes of the roundabout,not just in the lane closest to them."

 

[parasaurolophus]

I donated to habitat for humanity one time back in 2012. The amount of mail, calls, and emails I continue to receive after telling everybody that i can to leave me alone is insane. I have unsubscribed, marked as spam, blocked numbers. Somehow they keep sneaking through. The amount of money they have put into trying to get more money from me is absurd.

 

[Gally]

Pretty much everywhere I see describe the rules of the road, they have statements like this for 2-lane circles: "Drivers must yield to traffic in all lanes of the roundabout,not just in the lane closest to them."

Well in two lane circles it should be right lane as exit only for each entrance of the two lanes and then you never have to worry about changing lanes every for anybody. That is the simplest form of roundabout possible and should be the method for the majority of them.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You've been standing in the security line at the airport for about a half hour. You need to wait to empty your pockets of all your earthly possessions into your luggage just before your bag goes through the scanner? That couldn't have been done while standing in line with nothing else to do?

 

[jhib]

Pretty much everywhere I see describe the rules of the road, they have statements like this for 2-lane circles: "Drivers must yield to traffic in all lanes of the roundabout,not just in the lane closest to them."

Well in two lane circles it should be right lane as exit only for each entrance of the two lanes and then you never have to worry about changing lanes every for anybody. That is the simplest form of roundabout possible and should be the method for the majority of them.

I'm no traffic engineer, but I think it's probably relatively common that one route through the circle is more heavily traveled than others, and it is in the best interest of general area traffic flow to not require everyone going "straight" through the circle on that route (entering, bypassing the first exit, and then taking the second exit) to enter by the left lane only.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

You've been standing in the security line at the airport for about a half hour. You need to wait to empty your pockets of all your earthly possessions into your luggage just before your bag goes through the scanner? That couldn't have been done while standing in line with nothing else to do?

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