Car Market going forward (2 Viewers)

[Nugget]

Interesting reading. We’re still okay with the 11 odyssey but sorta window shopping. Medium sized SUV would be preferred but I get the feeling everyone wants those.

We’re in no rush, does anyone have a guess when we’ll see a better chance to buy? Probably highlander or maybe the Kia telluride. Would love a Rivian R1S but I’m not ready to drop close to 6 figures on a vehicle.

Model Y is driving premium midsize, most other growth is in the smaller/mini SUV sizes.

I expect to see more competition from the EV space - forecast to go from 1.4M to 3.3M from 2023 to 2025, but I would still bet the under.

 

[-OZ-]

Interesting reading. We’re still okay with the 11 odyssey but sorta window shopping. Medium sized SUV would be preferred but I get the feeling everyone wants those.

We’re in no rush, does anyone have a guess when we’ll see a better chance to buy? Probably highlander or maybe the Kia telluride. Would love a Rivian R1S but I’m not ready to drop close to 6 figures on a vehicle.

we had a 2021 palisade till someone totalled it. we got a 2020 telluride as a replacement. we like the telluride a bit more, but the cup console on the palisade was sweet (and the storage underneath it). for some reason it just seems to be more pleasant to drive on long trips.

we didn't get highlander as there wasn't as much interior room especially the 3rd row which we need with 3 kids.

good luck finding a telluride close to msrp. but palisades are available at often at msrp.

I drove an 08 highlander for about 11 years, with 5 kids. (My 18yo uses it now) Granted, most of our trips were in the odyssey but we’d squeeze 3 across fairly easily on short trips.
Not ideal for longer drives of course.

 

[Courtjester]

son is turning 16 in 15 months. any chance of getting a decent car for less than 10k?

We are kind of in the same boat--our 19 year old daughter has been saving like a mad-woman and has close to 13K in the bank. There is a really nice 2012 Chevy Cruze by us .for 10k with only 70k miles and a clean Carfax. We have a 2016 Cruze and we know what problems they have (aka a lot). However, we have looked at the 2024 Kia Forte and the Chevy Trax and are wondering if she would be better served putting a good down payment on one of these, so she would have a new vehicle that has a warrant and would last for many, many years.. She makes crazy, good money at Applebees (while attending college) and could easily do a car payment to cover whatever balance there would be.

It is that whole debt vs reliable vs she should build some car credit vs do we want her first car to be a 2024 vs an older vehicle that if she wrecks, it is okay debate.

 

[dgreen]

Ended up snagging a 2024 HRV LX today. I had never been in one before. I really like it. The front and back seats are much roomier than I expected. Storage space not as big as I was hoping, but definitely more than a Civic or hatchback. I would have preferred the 2WD but they only had AWD on the lot and no 2WD in transit. 2WD would have only saved about $750 so I went ahead and bought the AWD instead of risking losing out on it while I shopped around for someone who had exactly what I wanted. They of course tried to add some $2k package of wheel locks, mud guards, and a few other things but luckily they agreed to take that all off. One dealer refused to remove about $600 of add-ons on a Civic. He knows someone will buy it. I thanked my salesman for being willing to remove the extra accessories.

So, I feel good about getting a 2024 HRV AWD for about $1500 more than the 2023 Civic LXs that I was seeing. And the dealer worked with me some on the Pilot trade in despite it looking horrible inside and out so I got my monthly payments to a place I'm happy with.

 

[Orange&Blue]

Interesting reading. We’re still okay with the 11 odyssey but sorta window shopping. Medium sized SUV would be preferred but I get the feeling everyone wants those.

We’re in no rush, does anyone have a guess when we’ll see a better chance to buy? Probably highlander or maybe the Kia telluride. Would love a Rivian R1S but I’m not ready to drop close to 6 figures on a vehicle.

we had a 2021 palisade till someone totalled it. we got a 2020 telluride as a replacement. we like the telluride a bit more, but the cup console on the palisade was sweet (and the storage underneath it). for some reason it just seems to be more pleasant to drive on long trips.

we didn't get highlander as there wasn't as much interior room especially the 3rd row which we need with 3 kids.

good luck finding a telluride close to msrp. but palisades are available at often at msrp.

I drove an 08 highlander for about 11 years, with 5 kids. (My 18yo uses it now) Granted, most of our trips were in the odyssey but we’d squeeze 3 across fairly easily on short trips.
Not ideal for longer drives of course.

in order to prevent Armageddon we need 3 rows.

 

[Orange&Blue]

son is turning 16 in 15 months. any chance of getting a decent car for less than 10k?

We are kind of in the same boat--our 19 year old daughter has been saving like a mad-woman and has close to 13K in the bank. There is a really nice 2012 Chevy Cruze by us .for 10k with only 70k miles and a clean Carfax. We have a 2016 Cruze and we know what problems they have (aka a lot). However, we have looked at the 2024 Kia Forte and the Chevy Trax and are wondering if she would be better served putting a good down payment on one of these, so she would have a new vehicle that has a warrant and would last for many, many years.. She makes crazy, good money at Applebees (while attending college) and could easily do a car payment to cover whatever balance there would be.

It is that whole debt vs reliable vs she should build some car credit vs do we want her first car to be a 2024 vs an older vehicle that if she wrecks, it is okay debate.

i hate cars that are not reliable and wouldn't want my kid/wife driving one that i have to worry about it breaking down. as an engineer, i find it insulting to my profession.

 

[Dezbelief]

Ended up snagging a 2024 HRV LX today. I had never been in one before. I really like it. The front and back seats are much roomier than I expected. Storage space not as big as I was hoping, but definitely more than a Civic or hatchback. I would have preferred the 2WD but they only had AWD on the lot and no 2WD in transit. 2WD would have only saved about $750 so I went ahead and bought the AWD instead of risking losing out on it while I shopped around for someone who had exactly what I wanted. They of course tried to add some $2k package of wheel locks, mud guards, and a few other things but luckily they agreed to take that all off. One dealer refused to remove about $600 of add-ons on a Civic. He knows someone will buy it. I thanked my salesman for being willing to remove the extra accessories.

So, I feel good about getting a 2024 HRV AWD for about $1500 more than the 2023 Civic LXs that I was seeing. And the dealer worked with me some on the Pilot trade in despite it looking horrible inside and out so I got my monthly payments to a place I'm happy with.

I put 248k miles on a 2016 HRV, and loved that car. Between 100k and the 248k I put in about $4k in repairs. Replaced the starter, water pump and most of the front end. The transmission went out, the estimate was $6k to replace so I got something new (Nissan Kicks). That 248k was almost exclusively city miles, those were not easy miles. I work hard and I work my tools hard, but I do not skimp on maintenance. I still have the HRV. I'm waiting for transmission prices to come down. The junk yards want almost $3,000 for a used transmission without a warranty. My daughter will start driving in a few years, it will be a good first car for her.


The only complaint is the AC wasn't quite strong enough for Texas summers. It would keep me cool but it didn't freeze me out. My Kicks will freeze me out.

If they still have the "magic seats" the storage is amazing. I wish my Kicks had those. I treated that HRV like a truck sometimes. I would lay a tarp from across the laid down seats all the way to the back and haul anything.

Congrats on your purchase!

 

[Nugget]

Ended up snagging a 2024 HRV LX today. I had never been in one before. I really like it. The front and back seats are much roomier than I expected. Storage space not as big as I was hoping, but definitely more than a Civic or hatchback. I would have preferred the 2WD but they only had AWD on the lot and no 2WD in transit. 2WD would have only saved about $750 so I went ahead and bought the AWD instead of risking losing out on it while I shopped around for someone who had exactly what I wanted. They of course tried to add some $2k package of wheel locks, mud guards, and a few other things but luckily they agreed to take that all off. One dealer refused to remove about $600 of add-ons on a Civic. He knows someone will buy it. I thanked my salesman for being willing to remove the extra accessories.

So, I feel good about getting a 2024 HRV AWD for about $1500 more than the 2023 Civic LXs that I was seeing. And the dealer worked with me some on the Pilot trade in despite it looking horrible inside and out so I got my monthly payments to a place I'm happy with.

Congrats!

 

[pollardsvision]

son is turning 16 in 15 months. any chance of getting a decent car for less than 10k?

We are kind of in the same boat--our 19 year old daughter has been saving like a mad-woman and has close to 13K in the bank. There is a really nice 2012 Chevy Cruze by us .for 10k with only 70k miles and a clean Carfax. We have a 2016 Cruze and we know what problems they have (aka a lot). However, we have looked at the 2024 Kia Forte and the Chevy Trax and are wondering if she would be better served putting a good down payment on one of these, so she would have a new vehicle that has a warrant and would last for many, many years.. She makes crazy, good money at Applebees (while attending college) and could easily do a car payment to cover whatever balance there would be.

It is that whole debt vs reliable vs she should build some car credit vs do we want her first car to be a 2024 vs an older vehicle that if she wrecks, it is okay debate.

You didn't ask my opinion, but it sounds like you are having internal discussions.

I vote on a $10K car (or less).
A lot of reasons, but 2 main ones.

1. Opportunity cost. Have your 19 year old plug the extra $15K into an investment calculator to see what that turns into at age 70. That's how expensive the brand new vehicle really is.

2. Your daughter sounds like she's a hard worker good with money and a good saver. I wouldn't want to risk that great momentum by putting her in the car debt and needs all the bells and whistles merry-go-round that many Americans find themselves in. For many people, when they get accustomed to brand new, it's hard to go back.

I don't know your daughter, but just knowing she works hard and saves money......she keeps doing that and only buying cars she can pay cash for, she's going to be filthy rich.

Even if the Cruze ain't your choice, you can find a plenty safe and reliable car for $10K.

Anyway, just my opinion that you didn't ask for.

 

[snellman]

son is turning 16 in 15 months. any chance of getting a decent car for less than 10k?

We are kind of in the same boat--our 19 year old daughter has been saving like a mad-woman and has close to 13K in the bank. There is a really nice 2012 Chevy Cruze by us .for 10k with only 70k miles and a clean Carfax. We have a 2016 Cruze and we know what problems they have (aka a lot). However, we have looked at the 2024 Kia Forte and the Chevy Trax and are wondering if she would be better served putting a good down payment on one of these, so she would have a new vehicle that has a warrant and would last for many, many years.. She makes crazy, good money at Applebees (while attending college) and could easily do a car payment to cover whatever balance there would be.

It is that whole debt vs reliable vs she should build some car credit vs do we want her first car to be a 2024 vs an older vehicle that if she wrecks, it is okay debate.

The Trax that we have gotten in so far have looked like a very solid car for 25K. It is a completely new model, so we will have to wait to see how they actually hold up. Being in a shop, I would discourage you from a Cruze, but you already own one so you know what you are getting into. It is really a shame because the Cruze overall was a solid car, just quite a few turbo and engine issues. I don't mean to go too far off here, but I think a lot of the engine issues come from longer intervals between oil changes. I mainly deal with GM vehicles, so I can't say a lot about other manufacturers, but when they started pushing the longer Maintenance intervals is when we started seeing more engine issues. Synthetic or not, oil breaks down over time. I always say an oil change is cheap insurance.

 

[Capella]

Anybody seen or tried out the highlander grand? We’ve had multiple highlanders over the years and really like them but need a little more room with another kid coming. It’s this or the dreaded minivan.

 

[Dezbelief]

son is turning 16 in 15 months. any chance of getting a decent car for less than 10k?

We are kind of in the same boat--our 19 year old daughter has been saving like a mad-woman and has close to 13K in the bank. There is a really nice 2012 Chevy Cruze by us .for 10k with only 70k miles and a clean Carfax. We have a 2016 Cruze and we know what problems they have (aka a lot). However, we have looked at the 2024 Kia Forte and the Chevy Trax and are wondering if she would be better served putting a good down payment on one of these, so she would have a new vehicle that has a warrant and would last for many, many years.. She makes crazy, good money at Applebees (while attending college) and could easily do a car payment to cover whatever balance there would be.

It is that whole debt vs reliable vs she should build some car credit vs do we want her first car to be a 2024 vs an older vehicle that if she wrecks, it is okay debate.

The Trax that we have gotten in so far have looked like a very solid car for 25K. It is a completely new model, so we will have to wait to see how they actually hold up. Being in a shop, I would discourage you from a Cruze, but you already own one so you know what you are getting into. It is really a shame because the Cruze overall was a solid car, just quite a few turbo and engine issues. I don't mean to go too far off here, but I think a lot of the engine issues come from longer intervals between oil changes. I mainly deal with GM vehicles, so I can't say a lot about other manufacturers, but when they started pushing the longer Maintenance intervals is when we started seeing more engine issues. Synthetic or not, oil breaks down over time. I always say an oil change is cheap insurance.

How many miles do you consider too much even for synthetic oil?

I've been changing my current car with synthetic every 5K. My last car would alert me when oil life was at 15% and I would get it changed at that point.

 

[Da Guru]

son is turning 16 in 15 months. any chance of getting a decent car for less than 10k?

We are kind of in the same boat--our 19 year old daughter has been saving like a mad-woman and has close to 13K in the bank. There is a really nice 2012 Chevy Cruze by us .for 10k with only 70k miles and a clean Carfax. We have a 2016 Cruze and we know what problems they have (aka a lot). However, we have looked at the 2024 Kia Forte and the Chevy Trax and are wondering if she would be better served putting a good down payment on one of these, so she would have a new vehicle that has a warrant and would last for many, many years.. She makes crazy, good money at Applebees (while attending college) and could easily do a car payment to cover whatever balance there would be.

It is that whole debt vs reliable vs she should build some car credit vs do we want her first car to be a 2024 vs an older vehicle that if she wrecks, it is okay debate.

Just saw the new Chevy Traxx and looked sharp.

 

[Don Quixote]

I’ve got a 2010 Murano that is close to time to move on from. At last service appointment, I was told getting some rust on the engine and muffler. Only around 70k miles on it, as used for mostly commute driving; so, was not in any rush to replace while the market was hot. But probably time for something more modern and not sure really worth putting work into it.

Anything considered pretty good in that size/class these days that I should look at? Mentioned the Kia Telluride to my wife, but she turned her nose up a bit at the mention of Kia.

 

[Dezbelief]

I’ve got a 2010 Murano that is close to time to move on from. At last service appointment, I was told getting some rust on the engine and muffler. Only around 70k miles on it, as used for mostly commute driving; so, was not in any rush to replace while the market was hot. But probably time for something more modern and not sure really worth putting work into it.

Anything considered pretty good in that size/class these days that I should look at? Mentioned the Kia Telluride to my wife, but she turned her nose up a bit at the mention of Kia.

I turned my nose up to Kias for a long time. My brother got a 2022 Soul and the tech is sweet in it. He works 12 hours shifts and drives all highway miles, the lane assist prevents him from driving off the road. Your wife might change her mind after a test drive.

 

[pollardsvision]

Yeah, nothing wrong with a Kia. They seem to be knocking it out of the park lately.

As such, just don't expect a deal. They've got some good looking cars, a lot of people want them, and they can't make them fast enough.

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

I’ve got a 2010 Murano that is close to time to move on from. At last service appointment, I was told getting some rust on the engine and muffler. Only around 70k miles on it, as used for mostly commute driving; so, was not in any rush to replace while the market was hot. But probably time for something more modern and not sure really worth putting work into it.

Anything considered pretty good in that size/class these days that I should look at? Mentioned the Kia Telluride to my wife, but she turned her nose up a bit at the mention of Kia.

Same place with our 2009 Murano. Has 119k miles on it but between that car, our Audi Q5 and my 2000 Jeep Cherokee, the Murano is the workhorse whenever we need to move something. We can fit anything in that bubble butt of a car.

It has so many quirks right now, it would be tough to get more than $2k-$3k for it. Still runs fine but has a lot of little things that don't work right.

Wouldn't buy another one but we are looking at possibly moving onto a Hyundai Santa Fe.

 

[cosjobs]

We are possibly going to see more subscription based options as we move forward. You want your navigation to work, pay a monthly fee. You want your heated seats to work, pay a monthly fee. Tesla is already doing it with the autonomous driving and there is talk of GM doing it with their hands free steering. If the manufacturer has to lower its profit to sell vehicles, they will make it up somewhere.

Auto driving I could see, heated seats, no chance. Also, that’s the draw of CarPlay. I haven’t upgraded my Lexus’ navigation system because it costs so much for a download. Why would I pay a few hundred when Google Maps and Waze are more accurate and free. Sucks that it wasn’t an option.

look on ebay for a bootleg

 

[Orange&Blue]

I’ve got a 2010 Murano that is close to time to move on from. At last service appointment, I was told getting some rust on the engine and muffler. Only around 70k miles on it, as used for mostly commute driving; so, was not in any rush to replace while the market was hot. But probably time for something more modern and not sure really worth putting work into it.

Anything considered pretty good in that size/class these days that I should look at? Mentioned the Kia Telluride to my wife, but she turned her nose up a bit at the mention of Kia.

have her drive it.

 

[snellman]

son is turning 16 in 15 months. any chance of getting a decent car for less than 10k?

We are kind of in the same boat--our 19 year old daughter has been saving like a mad-woman and has close to 13K in the bank. There is a really nice 2012 Chevy Cruze by us .for 10k with only 70k miles and a clean Carfax. We have a 2016 Cruze and we know what problems they have (aka a lot). However, we have looked at the 2024 Kia Forte and the Chevy Trax and are wondering if she would be better served putting a good down payment on one of these, so she would have a new vehicle that has a warrant and would last for many, many years.. She makes crazy, good money at Applebees (while attending college) and could easily do a car payment to cover whatever balance there would be.

It is that whole debt vs reliable vs she should build some car credit vs do we want her first car to be a 2024 vs an older vehicle that if she wrecks, it is okay debate.

The Trax that we have gotten in so far have looked like a very solid car for 25K. It is a completely new model, so we will have to wait to see how they actually hold up. Being in a shop, I would discourage you from a Cruze, but you already own one so you know what you are getting into. It is really a shame because the Cruze overall was a solid car, just quite a few turbo and engine issues. I don't mean to go too far off here, but I think a lot of the engine issues come from longer intervals between oil changes. I mainly deal with GM vehicles, so I can't say a lot about other manufacturers, but when they started pushing the longer Maintenance intervals is when we started seeing more engine issues. Synthetic or not, oil breaks down over time. I always say an oil change is cheap insurance.

How many miles do you consider too much even for synthetic oil?

I've been changing my current car with synthetic every 5K. My last car would alert me when oil life was at 15% and I would get it changed at that point.

I run synthetic in my vehicles and I change every 5K. Biggest issue I have seen is depending on the oil life monitor and driving, I have seen some go as high as 7-8000. I don't know about other manufactures, but GM has made an improvement with the oil life monitor the last few years not only basing it on miles, but also engine hours.

 

[Tick]

I’ve got a 2010 Murano that is close to time to move on from. At last service appointment, I was told getting some rust on the engine and muffler. Only around 70k miles on it, as used for mostly commute driving; so, was not in any rush to replace while the market was hot. But probably time for something more modern and not sure really worth putting work into it.

Anything considered pretty good in that size/class these days that I should look at? Mentioned the Kia Telluride to my wife, but she turned her nose up a bit at the mention of Kia.

Rent one for a weekend drive.

 

[pollardsvision]

Just picked up a sweet ride.........2000 Subaru Forester.
200,000 miles. Manual transmission. Tape player. Not a single cup holder. It does have stupid power windows, but you can't have it all, I guess.

Bought it from a 18-19 year old kid that works at the Subaru dealership (interning to be a mechanic). I didn't realize until we transferred the title that he only bought it 2 months ago.
So, there must be some reason his co-workers told him to dump this thing. I'm excited to find out what that is.

Oh well, that's why I buy them cheap. Although I did overpay here, but I lose my sense when I see a manual, and I don't mind throwing in some extra cash to a kid getting started in life.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Just picked up a sweet ride.........2000 Subaru Forester.
200,000 miles. Manual transmission. Tape player. Not a single cup holder. It does have stupid power windows, but you can't have it all, I guess.

Bought it from a 18-19 year old kid that works at the Subaru dealership (interning to be a mechanic). I didn't realize until we transferred the title that he only bought it 2 months ago.
So, there must be some reason his co-workers told him to dump this thing. I'm excited to find out what that is.

Oh well, that's why I buy them cheap. Although I did overpay here, but I lose my sense when I see a manual, and I don't mind throwing in some extra cash to a kid getting started in life.

What did you pay?

 

[Keerock]

*The Jiffy Lube's of the world are still happy to do state inspections. And I pity the fool that takes them up on it.

what do you mean pollard?

they'll screw something up ...or hard sell you on stuff?

Haha.

Last year, my niece went to one.
I have done the best I can to make sure she's at least heard what little wisdom I've attained on this Earth. But I had not yet gotten around to explaining the evil's Jiffy Lube type places.

She texted me while I was at work that she was heading there because they see could her immediately. Had I received this text in time, I would have left work to throw myself in front of her moving car to stop this calamity.

This was a Friday afternoon. They lit her up for about $1000 worth of BS, including some light brake work. It was at about 5:30 that Friday that she noticed a bunch of fluid where they didn't re-attach the brake lines properly.

We had a local guy come fix it because it was unsafe to drive and the wrench in a box place was closed. Wrench in a box wouldn't do a refund even after they tried to kill her because they never had a chance to fix (which I do sort of understand).

It's like a rite of passage. That life lesson where a Jiffy Lube type place screws you so bad that you know to never go back.

They've always got a fresh crop of sheep to sheer, so I'm sure it's a great business model.

Did they get her for premium air in the tires?

 

[pollardsvision]

Just picked up a sweet ride.........2000 Subaru Forester.
200,000 miles. Manual transmission. Tape player. Not a single cup holder. It does have stupid power windows, but you can't have it all, I guess.

Bought it from a 18-19 year old kid that works at the Subaru dealership (interning to be a mechanic). I didn't realize until we transferred the title that he only bought it 2 months ago.
So, there must be some reason his co-workers told him to dump this thing. I'm excited to find out what that is.

Oh well, that's why I buy them cheap. Although I did overpay here, but I lose my sense when I see a manual, and I don't mind throwing in some extra cash to a kid getting started in life.

What did you pay?

$2300. Plus I gave him another $100 to bring it to my house so I didn't have to line up a ride. I'm sure I could have gotten it for less but I don't like haggling.

It's pretty interesting having a 2nd generation Outback and 1st generation Forester.

By the 2nd generation Subaru knew what it was doing with the Outback.

1st gen Forester, it seems pretty clear that Subaru just said "oh crap, those CRV's and RAV4's are selling like hotcakes. Let's put a metal box on an Impreza, and call it a crossover!"

 

[BassNBrew]

Ugh, such a pain trying to get a new car. I basically refuse to pay these used car prices so I'm left with hoping to find a new one in stock that someone else hasn't already bought. Some dealerships won't even send an offer. They say I need to come in. I just want to negotiate in email and then go in when it's time to buy. I don't want to spend tons of time going from dealership to dealership, but I may have to do that one day and buy the first thing I can get my hands on. I might put a deposit down on something in transit.

Two years ago, I got an Accord EX Hybrid for $29k out-the-door. Now I'm looking at a Civic LX for $27k. Oof.

I got a new 22 accord sport for 28 and it felt like a steal

While I do care about the price, I think I actually care more about feeling like I got a good deal. I hate buying a car and immediately feeling crappy because I think I overpaid.

If you left driving a different vehicle, you overpaid.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Just picked up a sweet ride.........2000 Subaru Forester.
200,000 miles. Manual transmission. Tape player. Not a single cup holder. It does have stupid power windows, but you can't have it all, I guess.

Bought it from a 18-19 year old kid that works at the Subaru dealership (interning to be a mechanic). I didn't realize until we transferred the title that he only bought it 2 months ago.
So, there must be some reason his co-workers told him to dump this thing. I'm excited to find out what that is.

Oh well, that's why I buy them cheap. Although I did overpay here, but I lose my sense when I see a manual, and I don't mind throwing in some extra cash to a kid getting started in life.

What did you pay?

$2300. Plus I gave him another $100 to bring it to my house so I didn't have to line up a ride. I'm sure I could have gotten it for less but I don't like haggling.

It's pretty interesting having a 2nd generation Outback and 1st generation Forester.

By the 2nd generation Subaru knew what it was doing with the Outback.

1st gen Forester, it seems pretty clear that Subaru just said "oh crap, those CRV's and RAV4's are selling like hotcakes. Let's put a metal box on an Impreza, and call it a crossover!"

Nice. I have a standing Craigslist search in my city for any manual vehicles, with a few other conditions.
My 2007 Lexus has a tape player and its awesome. I had a box of sweet cassettes in my basement that are now back in the rotation.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Just picked up a sweet ride.........2000 Subaru Forester.
200,000 miles. Manual transmission. Tape player. Not a single cup holder. It does have stupid power windows, but you can't have it all, I guess.

Bought it from a 18-19 year old kid that works at the Subaru dealership (interning to be a mechanic). I didn't realize until we transferred the title that he only bought it 2 months ago.
So, there must be some reason his co-workers told him to dump this thing. I'm excited to find out what that is.

Oh well, that's why I buy them cheap. Although I did overpay here, but I lose my sense when I see a manual, and I don't mind throwing in some extra cash to a kid getting started in life.

What did you pay?

$2300. Plus I gave him another $100 to bring it to my house so I didn't have to line up a ride. I'm sure I could have gotten it for less but I don't like haggling.

It's pretty interesting having a 2nd generation Outback and 1st generation Forester.

By the 2nd generation Subaru knew what it was doing with the Outback.

1st gen Forester, it seems pretty clear that Subaru just said "oh crap, those CRV's and RAV4's are selling like hotcakes. Let's put a metal box on an Impreza, and call it a crossover!"

Nice. I have a standing Craigslist search in my city for any manual vehicles, with a few other conditions.
My 2007 Lexus has a tape player and its awesome. I had a box of sweet cassettes in my basement that are now back in the rotation.

My 96 Lexus has a corded car phone.

 

[pollardsvision]

Just picked up a sweet ride.........2000 Subaru Forester.
200,000 miles. Manual transmission. Tape player. Not a single cup holder. It does have stupid power windows, but you can't have it all, I guess.

Bought it from a 18-19 year old kid that works at the Subaru dealership (interning to be a mechanic). I didn't realize until we transferred the title that he only bought it 2 months ago.
So, there must be some reason his co-workers told him to dump this thing. I'm excited to find out what that is.

Oh well, that's why I buy them cheap. Although I did overpay here, but I lose my sense when I see a manual, and I don't mind throwing in some extra cash to a kid getting started in life.

What did you pay?

$2300. Plus I gave him another $100 to bring it to my house so I didn't have to line up a ride. I'm sure I could have gotten it for less but I don't like haggling.

It's pretty interesting having a 2nd generation Outback and 1st generation Forester.

By the 2nd generation Subaru knew what it was doing with the Outback.

1st gen Forester, it seems pretty clear that Subaru just said "oh crap, those CRV's and RAV4's are selling like hotcakes. Let's put a metal box on an Impreza, and call it a crossover!"

Nice. I have a standing Craigslist search in my city for any manual vehicles, with a few other conditions.
My 2007 Lexus has a tape player and its awesome. I had a box of sweet cassettes in my basement that are now back in the rotation.

My 96 Lexus has a corded car phone.

Cars really do make cool time-capsules. Much like music, we're always going to be drawn to the nostalgia of what was around in our teens/early 20's.

I'm certainly biased towards Clinton/Bush era cars.
We had gotten past the Malaise era of the late 70's and early 80's. Some great cars from that era, but a lot of "oh crap, we have to get more fuel efficient in a hurry" and led to a lot of hurried, poorly planned vehicles.

By the time the mid-90's hit, you had multiple manufacturers fully dialed in, competing to make the most practical, reliable vehicles. I suspect that peak took place somewhere in GWB's 2nd term.

And then social media and the iPhone hit. And all the supercharged tech advances that followed.

I'm too ignorant to say cars have gotten worse. My newest car is a 2003. But when all the R&D is focused on tech to improve the user experience and creature comforts, it's hard to imagine we've made much headway on practicality and reliability.

Cars today are plenty reliable. I just can't imagine they are more reliable than a car made in 2008. By that point, "300K if you take care of it"had become the norm.

I could be wrong, and please tell me if I am, but it seems like with today's cars, you are paying for cars to be as reliable as they were 20 years ago, plus a massive premium for all the tech. And more material because vehicles have massively increased in size.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Just picked up a sweet ride.........2000 Subaru Forester.
200,000 miles. Manual transmission. Tape player. Not a single cup holder. It does have stupid power windows, but you can't have it all, I guess.

Bought it from a 18-19 year old kid that works at the Subaru dealership (interning to be a mechanic). I didn't realize until we transferred the title that he only bought it 2 months ago.
So, there must be some reason his co-workers told him to dump this thing. I'm excited to find out what that is.

Oh well, that's why I buy them cheap. Although I did overpay here, but I lose my sense when I see a manual, and I don't mind throwing in some extra cash to a kid getting started in life.

What did you pay?

$2300. Plus I gave him another $100 to bring it to my house so I didn't have to line up a ride. I'm sure I could have gotten it for less but I don't like haggling.

It's pretty interesting having a 2nd generation Outback and 1st generation Forester.

By the 2nd generation Subaru knew what it was doing with the Outback.

1st gen Forester, it seems pretty clear that Subaru just said "oh crap, those CRV's and RAV4's are selling like hotcakes. Let's put a metal box on an Impreza, and call it a crossover!"

Nice. I have a standing Craigslist search in my city for any manual vehicles, with a few other conditions.
My 2007 Lexus has a tape player and its awesome. I had a box of sweet cassettes in my basement that are now back in the rotation.

My 96 Lexus has a corded car phone.

Cars really do make cool time-capsules. Much like music, we're always going to be drawn to the nostalgia of what was around in our teens/early 20's.

I'm certainly biased towards Clinton/Bush era cars.
We had gotten past the Malaise era of the late 70's and early 80's. Some great cars from that era, but a lot of "oh crap, we have to get more fuel efficient in a hurry" and led to a lot of hurried, poorly planned vehicles.

By the time the mid-90's hit, you had multiple manufacturers fully dialed in, competing to make the most practical, reliable vehicles. I suspect that peak took place somewhere in GWB's 2nd term.

And then social media and the iPhone hit. And all the supercharged tech advances that followed.

I'm too ignorant to say cars have gotten worse. My newest car is a 2003. But when all the R&D is focused on tech to improve the user experience and creature comforts, it's hard to imagine we've made much headway on practicality and reliability.

Cars today are plenty reliable. I just can't imagine they are more reliable than a car made in 2008. By that point, "300K if you take care of it"had become the norm.

I could be wrong, and please tell me if I am, but it seems like with today's cars, you are paying for cars to be as reliable as they were 20 years ago, plus a massive premium for all the tech. And more material because vehicles have massively increased in size.

My 2016 civic touring is an amazing car.

 

[matttyl]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

 

[the moops]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

Have you looked into an EV? The 1 hour commute, while ****ty, won't be an issue with range of pretty much any new EV.

And you have the Tahoe for long trips and for towing. I think the gas guzzler and EV combo is a pretty good combo

 

[matttyl]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

Have you looked into an EV? The 1 hour commute, while ****ty, won't be an issue with range of pretty much any new EV.

And you have the Tahoe for long trips and for towing. I think the gas guzzler and EV combo is a pretty good combo

Have thought about it, a lot. Would love a Tesla, personally - especially with the current tax credit. It would be her car, though, and I think she’d prefer the subaru.

Have also thought about selling Tahoe (could get nearly what I bought it for 3 years ago), using Toyota as my daily and getting Subaru for her. Then just renting something to tow camper the few times a year we use it - but not sure rental places would be cool with me towing

 

[Buckna]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

Bought a new Outback in late April, they weren’t charging anything over MSRP at the time for those (but lots of bogus add ons the dealership was trying to sell.) I am curious to see what your experience is. My MiL wrecked her 10 year old Forester this weekend, and we are thinking Crosstrek as a replacement. BiL has a 2017 Crosstrek and loves it.

 

[the moops]

Then just renting something to tow camper the few times a year we use it - but not sure rental places would be cool with me towing

We have thought about this too (in case we ever get rid of our towing vehicle). I don't have an answer for you, for I don't know what rental places think of it. We also talked about asking friends to borrow their vehicle to tow, and as payment we would let them use our camper a few times a year. Not sure if that is equitable though

 

[matttyl]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

Bought a new Outback in late April, they weren’t charging anything over MSRP at the time for those (but lots of bogus add ons the dealership was trying to sell.) I am curious to see what your experience is. My MiL wrecked her 10 year old Forester this weekend, and we are thinking Crosstrek as a replacement. BiL has a 2017 Crosstrek and loves it.

Yeah, my dad (who if you knew him is the least Subaru type guy out there) bought a crosstrek last year and loves it. He said he likes it because it has a rear view camera.

 

[matttyl]

Then just renting something to tow camper the few times a year we use it - but not sure rental places would be cool with me towing

We have thought about this too (in case we ever get rid of our towing vehicle). I don't have an answer for you, for I don't know what rental places think of it. We also talked about asking friends to borrow their vehicle to tow, and as payment we would let them use our camper a few times a year. Not sure if that is equitable though

Yeah, just off putting to me to be “stuck” with a 16 mpg daily driver for the 2-3x a year we go camping. My commute is only like 9 miles each way, though.

 

[Buckna]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

Bought a new Outback in late April, they weren’t charging anything over MSRP at the time for those (but lots of bogus add ons the dealership was trying to sell.) I am curious to see what your experience is. My MiL wrecked her 10 year old Forester this weekend, and we are thinking Crosstrek as a replacement. BiL has a 2017 Crosstrek and loves it.

Yeah, my dad (who if you knew him is the lease aura I type guy out there) bought a cross trek last year and loves it. He said he likes it because it has a rear view camera.

Yeah in my MiL’s case we are thinking new so we can get her backup camera, eyesight, and the other many safety features. She’s retirement age and not the greatest driver these days, especially at night.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

Bought a new Outback in late April, they weren’t charging anything over MSRP at the time for those (but lots of bogus add ons the dealership was trying to sell.) I am curious to see what your experience is. My MiL wrecked her 10 year old Forester this weekend, and we are thinking Crosstrek as a replacement. BiL has a 2017 Crosstrek and loves it.

Yeah, my dad (who if you knew him is the lease aura I type guy out there) bought a cross trek last year and loves it. He said he likes it because it has a rear view camera.

Yeah in my MiL’s case we are thinking new so we can get her backup camera, eyesight, and the other many safety features. She’s retirement age and not the greatest driver these days, especially at night.

Maybe get her a bus pass then

 

[MTskibum]

Then just renting something to tow camper the few times a year we use it - but not sure rental places would be cool with me towing

We have thought about this too (in case we ever get rid of our towing vehicle). I don't have an answer for you, for I don't know what rental places think of it. We also talked about asking friends to borrow their vehicle to tow, and as payment we would let them use our camper a few times a year. Not sure if that is equitable though

Enterprise Truck Rental will rent a truck for towing.

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[New Binky the Doormat]

hey, hey ...

CarDealershipGuy

@GuyDealership
·
2h

Used cars are aging on dealer lots:46% of the cars listed on Cars(.)com have been listed for over 45 days.Healthy inventories should have <5% of cars listed over 45 days old.(via DGS /
@carsdotcom
)

 

[Nugget]

Cox Automotive - Used-Vehicle Inventory, Prices Hold Steady as Sales Edge Higher

As with new cars, which has been the case for months, the lower the price segment, the tighter the inventory. The days’ supply for under $10,000 vehicles was 31, increasing with every higher price segment to the over $35,000 category with the highest days’ supply of 52.

Among the non-luxury used vehicles with the lowest inventory were Dodge and Honda, with 38- and 39-day supplies, respectively. They were the only brands with sub-40 days’ supply. Most other mainstream brands – both luxury and non-luxury – had days’ supply under 51.

 

[culdeus]

hey, hey ...

CarDealershipGuy
@GuyDealership
·
2h

Used cars are aging on dealer lots:46% of the cars listed on Cars(.)com have been listed for over 45 days.Healthy inventories should have <5% of cars listed over 45 days old.(via DGS /
@carsdotcom
)

This guys podcast is great. Can use a bit of editing as it gets repetitive but whatever

 

[Instinctive]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

We have a 2016 Crosstrek and it has been a fantastic car. Very little maintenance, decent mileage.

 

[matttyl]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

We have a 2016 Crosstrek and it has been a fantastic car. Very little maintenance, decent mileage.

And it’s likely worth $25k, even 8 model years old. When a brand new one is like $30k. These things hold their value so well it’s not worth buying used.

Thinking we’ll get one and keep the other two for now. The Toyota has been great, and we can still use to haul our bikes around to events and won’t mind getting in after riding 10 miles and trails and covered in mud and sweat.

Means we’ll likely never drive the Tahoe much, so may consider just selling it. Can likely still get $18k for a 2013 Tahoe with all the options with 120k miles, right?

 

[Instinctive]

Current vehicles - 2013 Tahoe LTZ with 124k miles, 2012 Toyota RAV4 with 180k miles. Both have been paid off for years, and both in great mechanical condition. Have the Tahoe specifically as a tow vehicle as we also have a 5k pound camper that we take out a few times a year, but it’s also my daily driver as I have shorter commute than wife. Just us as the two drivers in house.

She got an offer for a better, and higher paying job. Longer commute (about an hour or so each way, maybe more with traffic). We’ve talked about another car already, but with new job and longer commute the time may be upon us.

She really likes these Subaru crosstreks. New generation of them just released for 2024. They hold amazing value, looking at gently used ones and you don’t save much, if anything, from a new one.

We may give my wife some time at new job to make sure she’ll be there for at least a while before taking the plunge. Any change getting a brand new one in a few months for anything less than $5k over msrp?

I’d really hate to give up the rav4 as legitimately the only thing that’s gone wrong in the ~130k miles I’ve put on it was a water pump that I swapped out in an afternoon. It’s just so dang dependable.

We have a 2016 Crosstrek and it has been a fantastic car. Very little maintenance, decent mileage.

And it’s likely worth $25k, even 8 model years old. When a brand new one is like $30k. These things hold their value so well it’s not worth buying used.

Thinking we’ll get one and keep the other two for now. The Toyota has been great, and we can still use to haul our bikes around to events and won’t mind getting in after riding 10 miles and trails and covered in mud and sweat.

Means we’ll likely never drive the Tahoe much, so may consider just selling it. Can likely still get $18k for a 2013 Tahoe with all the options with 120k miles, right?

I mean idk what you can get for cars because I was raised, and now do the same, to pay cash (or finance at 0% and pay off at the end of the period before accruing interest) for a new car, drive it into the ground, and then repeat.


We're a one car family, but with baby #1 on the way that seems like it'll change. We'll probably get a Forester again (we used to have one) or do some research into how Subaru is on EVs or something in the coming months.

 

[massraider]

https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1687806911306231808?t=1QF_7jb9c7sB83cD5oYXfA&s=19

Fascinating chart showing % of residents paying over $1,000/month for their cars.

Fun fact: More than 1 in 5 shoppers in Texas and Wyoming committed to a monthly payment over $1,000/mth in Q2 (driven by purchases of large trucks)

 

[DA RAIDERS]

https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1687806911306231808?t=1QF_7jb9c7sB83cD5oYXfA&s=19

Fascinating chart showing % of residents paying over $1,000/month for their cars.

Fun fact: More than 1 in 5 shoppers in Texas and Wyoming committed to a monthly payment over $1,000/mth in Q2 (driven by purchases of large trucks)

Those figures are insane.

 

[belljr]

https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1687806911306231808?t=1QF_7jb9c7sB83cD5oYXfA&s=19

Fascinating chart showing % of residents paying over $1,000/month for their cars.

Fun fact: More than 1 in 5 shoppers in Texas and Wyoming committed to a monthly payment over $1,000/mth in Q2 (driven by purchases of large trucks)

Is that for one car? I pay 1200 a month for two cars.

 

[fruity pebbles]

https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1687806911306231808?t=1QF_7jb9c7sB83cD5oYXfA&s=19

Fascinating chart showing % of residents paying over $1,000/month for their cars.

Fun fact: More than 1 in 5 shoppers in Texas and Wyoming committed to a monthly payment over $1,000/mth in Q2 (driven by purchases of large trucks)

Is that for one car? I pay 1200 a month for two cars.

One car. It’s not hard to do these days. Average car is almost 50k. If you have no down payment, 60 months at 8% with sales tax and fees, you are looking at $1000 a month. And that’s for the average priced new car.